BIG ALICE VS SNOWPIERCER | Explaining the Perpetual Motion Engines

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@AlexWuky
@AlexWuky Жыл бұрын
My theory is that in only for the train to be perpetually working, there has to be people to tend to it. For example in the movie, Mr Wilford says : “the engine lasts forever, not so do all of its parts” meaning that the engine needs people to maintain it to keep the engine going
@JGuraan
@JGuraan 8 ай бұрын
But not human people. Oompa Loompas.
@MattIsBored322
@MattIsBored322 8 ай бұрын
or oompa loompas
@autooctavia133
@autooctavia133 8 ай бұрын
Thats usually how mechanical parts work though. Snowpiercer can run perpetually under ideal conditions, but its never ideals, parts will wear and tear and break down, so people need to be there to manufacture and replace the broken parts. It's not that the precise of people itself is required for the train to work, it'll just break down if it isn't repaired. Its perpetual motion, not perpetual idealism, it can and will still break
@memesfromdeepspace1075
@memesfromdeepspace1075 8 ай бұрын
My teory the enggine are just big electrick motor ...but the track is some kind metal that turn cold to eletricity....
@Radioactive4001
@Radioactive4001 Жыл бұрын
I have a idea why BA is so cold, maybe the only warm car was supposed to be the engine, and all the others were supposed to be cold to keep all the fuel and food fresh and it was never meant to have people onboard the rest of it, its like a big storage freezer. :D
@urszulabrzostek6272
@urszulabrzostek6272 Жыл бұрын
A *really big one*
@happyjohn1656
@happyjohn1656 16 күн бұрын
This seems the most likely
@viggowood7335
@viggowood7335 2 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered how these engines work And the CGI on these engines and trains are awesome that's one of the reasons why I love this show
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 2 жыл бұрын
This video will certainly explain a lot of the plot points concerning the trains and their engines.
@iamthedoctor3633
@iamthedoctor3633 Жыл бұрын
You mixed high and low torque. HIGH turque - Low speed, Big force, LOW torque - HIGH speed, Small force (they need speed retuction gears for higher power)
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios Жыл бұрын
Apologies. I simply use the terms they used in the show. Big Alice, the one that uses low speed and high force, was described as having low torque. When it came to making this video, I felt that conveying the concepts was more important than correcting the error at the time. At some point I'm going to get around to remaking the comparison (I've already remade the functionality of the engines) and I'll be sure to correct the show and specify that BA would actually be HIGH torqued, not low torque like the show says.
@Combes_
@Combes_ 9 ай бұрын
​@@HallimarRathlornStudiosI think they meant low POWER, AKA Big Alice's underpowered
@G_de_Coligny
@G_de_Coligny 9 ай бұрын
THANK YOU… I wuz starting to doubt about the universe…
@gregbarnes4083
@gregbarnes4083 9 ай бұрын
My assumption on the perpetual engine was that it was an indirect cycle snow/air cooled nuclear reactor that used the air and snow passing through the intakes at the front of the train to cool the reactor that was in turn providing electrical power to the batteries and motors driving the wheels of the train. Since its air/snow cooled it needs to keep moving to maintain a flow through the cooling system and that's why the train is at risk of a 'meltdown' if she stays in one place for too long as the reactor heats up due to lack of proper cooling. Also explains the electrolysis as the train could capture the snow and use electrolysis to create hydrogen for fuel cells, breathable oxygen to keep the cars pressurised and melted water to keep everyone hydrated as well as replenishing the coolant loops when needed.
@mulpomo8133
@mulpomo8133 8 ай бұрын
Ah yes, it's better to make moveable nuclear reactor with human carriages behind it
@Frisher1
@Frisher1 8 ай бұрын
​@@mulpomo8133Any better ideas though?
@scoutg001
@scoutg001 8 ай бұрын
@@mulpomo8133 you do realize that's all nuclear submarines
@mulpomo8133
@mulpomo8133 8 ай бұрын
@@scoutg001 surely, but it's underwater and it move 3 dimensionally + without any track needed. Otherwise nuclear train just have more hard time to evade the collision, or maybe it just have platting that save enough to protect the reactor when collision happen 😁 It's fun to have open conversation with this context
@projectdeveloper9311
@projectdeveloper9311 9 ай бұрын
yes I'm late, but I really wanted to say that this engine is probably a nuclear fusion reactor, running an being cooled by whatever water source it collects from the front intakes of the train, that wouldn't be able to be restarted without an external starter, and that's why they never shut it down in the show That also explains the whole "electrolysis" thing we always hear on the show, it's making hydrogen to be used as fuel in the reactor
@ImmortalAbsol
@ImmortalAbsol 8 ай бұрын
This. They also use regenerative braking and/or generate power going down hill, to be used as additional power later.
@projectdeveloper9311
@projectdeveloper9311 8 ай бұрын
@@ImmortalAbsol Honestly, I'm quite surprised by how much this community just accepts that whole "perpetual motion" thing they barely mentioned in the show, not trying to give a decent explanation to something, just giving up, so it's feels nice to me to have someone at least reads this and think "okay makes sense", so thank you, wholeheartedly
@ImmortalAbsol
@ImmortalAbsol 8 ай бұрын
@@projectdeveloper9311 I think it's supposed to appear perpetual to people who don't know better, part of Wilson's showmanship and self image. Rather than literally breaking the laws of physics.
@projectdeveloper9311
@projectdeveloper9311 8 ай бұрын
@@ImmortalAbsol I mean, just a fusion reactor with energy gain would already be such an achievement that I don't really think we would even need the perpetual magic anyway, so in my eyes it's even better, but might be to be easier to explain to a larger audience since they (probably) don't know what to look for and still be able to set some ground rules that everyone can understand easily
@aleksasavicic8473
@aleksasavicic8473 8 ай бұрын
@@projectdeveloper9311 Glad to see something that makes sense here in the comments. I came to this and newer video expecting this type of explanation but found an example of classic magnet powers battery battery powers magnet thing. Maybe i forgot but didnt the train lose power when one of the intakes was closed? I immediately guessed the moving engine of the train collects the snow / frozen water and by some efficient electrolysis seperates it into oxygen and hydrogen, and then burning both of those in some sort of reactor or classing turbine that generates electricity from heat. The engine is then just a power station with some batteries for the train and the bogeys actually move it and control it. Since they are simple electric motors they can also generate power from braking or going downhill like a car. That explains the train losing power when stationary or when its going slower, it doest intake enough or any snow which it needs for making electricity. Most sutable way to power the train called snowpiercer. Then there is the overheating on a disconnected engine, simply an excess in electrical power which the system doesnt know how to dissipate other than heat and movement . Since the two main power users are heating and moving the train, if there is not enough power to move it efficiently the system will turn down heating and hence be colder inside. Also this means snowpiercer would work at all in a normal environment As for big alice i dont know why is it cold since the engine is maybe as powerfull as snowpiercers. Could be that its not designed for human life but for storage as someone in the comments said, or it could be that wilford simply didnt want to waste power on making life for people on board pleasant. Also just seen the wiki were they say its powered by hydrogen. So i guess this real perpetual motion machine is indeed a bit of a stretch
@Kaiju515
@Kaiju515 Жыл бұрын
My most favorite part of the video is how you explain the differences between Big Alice and Snowpiercer and how those differences played a part in the show. Like how Big Alice is low-torque (High power-low speed), which means that she can haul around 1,023 cars but not fast enough to provide enough wheel motion to generate electricity that brings the heat over -20 Celsius. Really cool stuff that I didn't know was a thing when it comes to trains! Thank you for that and continue the good work.
@xxreyrppuppetmasxx2595
@xxreyrppuppetmasxx2595 2 жыл бұрын
3:57 I can feel the snowpiercer's feeling trying to save the last humanity survivors on her train 😢😢😢.
@just_martin8002
@just_martin8002 2 жыл бұрын
Idea for the next episode: Do u think that Icebreaker exists in TV show universe and If it does, do u think it's parked at Rocky Mountains shed? (I'm just wondering)
@LaeLae777
@LaeLae777 5 ай бұрын
i like the doctor who intro song at the start of this video
@wileyleon
@wileyleon 2 жыл бұрын
I thought this was going to happen today but you changed it
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 2 жыл бұрын
Check my most recent post on my channel - community tab.
@urszulabrzostek6272
@urszulabrzostek6272 Жыл бұрын
Excuse me Why is your comment posted 8 months ago and the video is posted 7 months ago
@daanbos5918
@daanbos5918 8 ай бұрын
“Lisa in this house we obey the laws of thermal dynamics”
@CorbinTheMiner
@CorbinTheMiner 4 ай бұрын
I was not expecting a Snowpiercer video to have a doctor who intro theme in it
@Playwithdeutschland
@Playwithdeutschland 8 ай бұрын
Beautiful tv show, the trains are so beautiful
@JG-hi6by
@JG-hi6by 8 ай бұрын
Great video good quality but you’re switching the two around. When it comes to torque. Big Alice is a high torque machine. meaning she has more torque and snow piercer is a low torque machine has less torque. What you’re thinking about is RPM.(revolutions, per minute) Snowpiercer has to maintain a higher RPM because it has less torque where as big Alice can go as slow as she wants, and doesn’t need the RPM
@SirFloofy001
@SirFloofy001 8 ай бұрын
2:40 who thought of that logic. The whole reason Semi trucks can pull 80,000 Lbs up a hill is because they have high torque low power. High torque low speed engines can pull much more weight (at a slower speed) low torque high speed engines.
@charliewilde4349
@charliewilde4349 2 жыл бұрын
2:43 doesn’t make sense. If it was low torqued it would be worse at hauling heavy loads at slow speeds. That would make sense if it was high torque low peak power. But not how it is in the show
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 2 жыл бұрын
Post Premiere Notes: -We know that the wheels derive electricity from rotation when Snowpiercer's engine restarted in Season 2 when motion needed to be maintained to ensure a proper restart. -Big Alice certainly was designed with a lower engine capacity compared to the Eternal Engine due to the fact that she was never able to output the same amount of power as Snowpiercer, despite being dragged around at Snowpiercer's standard speed. This may also have something to do with Big Alice's torque level. -The Perpetual Motion Engines could not be powered by snow or electrolysis due to having functioned before the Freeze. Snowpirate also never would have faced an overheating problem if her engine was powered through snow. The engines, in general, also should not have a problem with their engines cutting out at high speed, as they would naturally just take in more snow if they were powered that way. The logic across the entire show, aside from one episode, points to Perpetual Motion Engines, not hydrogen electrolysis. -We know that both Snowpiercer (The Dreamliner) and Big Alice ran before the Freeze due to their manufacturing dates, and due to them being referred to as being "retrofitted to survive the Freeze" as, though the Dreamliner was built as a self sustaining environment, it could not survive the Freeze. (For more info on this, check out this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHqaY4upr72Up68 )
@Pancake_with_gloves
@Pancake_with_gloves 2 жыл бұрын
bro do you need some help on making videos? i'm a video editor (self learing for over 6 years) i need to expand my portfolio, and i would like to help you out
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 2 жыл бұрын
@@Pancake_with_gloves It's not that I need help, my editing is quite sufficient, especially with this video in particular. It's that I don't want to post too much at once then go quite for weeks or months
@Pancake_with_gloves
@Pancake_with_gloves 2 жыл бұрын
@@HallimarRathlornStudios if you decide otherwise hmu, have a nice day
@jhol2752
@jhol2752 2 жыл бұрын
i reckon electrolysis is still used but only to power a fusion reaction, they also mention something about methane from agsec being used for power in season one if i remember correctly. however i cant quite place the purpose of the liquid metal they mentioned in season 3
@TheLonelyLurker1995
@TheLonelyLurker1995 2 жыл бұрын
I thought it was hydrogen ion fuse battery. Which is why they need so much water and they get it from the snow. There was a scene on the season 2 where they need to restart the engine by shutting down the whole snowpiercer (Big Alice was still pushing them). I wonder why and I found out that the hydrogen ion battery needed, at least a couple of seconds in order to restart and fully function. But what do I know, I'm just a train otaku.
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 2 жыл бұрын
That episode's plot is one big plot hole for the series and the train never works like that again in any other episode. And how would Snowpiercer get a constant flow of Snow when she constantly runs on clear track?
@TheLonelyLurker1995
@TheLonelyLurker1995 2 жыл бұрын
@@HallimarRathlornStudios Well, they had these machines called via ducts. It collects snows and its one of the carriages. I just remembered that episode more. The reason why they need to restart the train was Because wilford blocked the viaducts, causing the engine's god module to short circuit. The God Module controls the water and Wilford has the part. He went to the engine and eventually took over it.
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLonelyLurker1995 Yeah, but Snowpiercer's gills can't collect snow if there is no snow. Like before the Freeze and when the tracks have been cleared. I've seen the episode.
@TheLonelyLurker1995
@TheLonelyLurker1995 2 жыл бұрын
@@HallimarRathlornStudios hmm....you're right. Guess, I'm wrong. Still, Perpetual Motion Engine is very cool on paper but a big hassle in real life. Ayway its a cool show for me though. :)
@carebloodlaevathein6732
@carebloodlaevathein6732 2 жыл бұрын
@@HallimarRathlornStudios Oh, COME ON! Why would you call them that? Now I can't get the image of a Snowpiercer-Fish out of my head.......... XD
@solidaridadjusticia1438
@solidaridadjusticia1438 6 ай бұрын
For what they had in the amount of time they had. It was probably an extremely good idea that used snowpiercer Because one is able to survive Harsh temperatures and conditions and 2. It is a cruise liner on regions. It can sport a lot of people for a long time
@Combes_
@Combes_ Жыл бұрын
Well we *do* know that Big Alice can be outran by a jet engine strapped to a toy wagon 😉
@k-boi-501
@k-boi-501 8 ай бұрын
WOOOO IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A VIDEO ABOUT SNOWPIERCER WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@deltacx1059
@deltacx1059 9 ай бұрын
Fusion reactor and regenerative braking, problem solved (also telling people In universe that it is perpetual keeps morale up
@Ethan_chmieleski13
@Ethan_chmieleski13 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t Wait for it and and would you think that the connector car of Big Alice would have a engine because what i thought of is that if the freeze never happened then what the connector car would be used for so say like one of the Dreamliner’s got stuck somewhere then they would send one of the connector cars out and alone the connector car would pull the train back to the station to get fixed
@Glitchman-ms6cw
@Glitchman-ms6cw 8 ай бұрын
one thing to not btw about the cars, in the first episode when layton and some other people managed to get in the back of the tail, it was kinda small and hard to navigate through (everyone cramming in doesnt count) but when the tailies finally settled in the tail, it was a bit more spacey than what it was supposed to , even for 7 years
@lmrstudioproductions6676
@lmrstudioproductions6676 2 жыл бұрын
These Machines are awesome!
@Kaiju515
@Kaiju515 Жыл бұрын
Really good explanation, I always wondered how the wheels came into play due to their design on both trains and with them being what generates their power does make sense. In my opinion, I thought the Eternal Engine and the Perpetual Motion Engine as sort of like a windmill, the greater the winds, the greater the energy generation. Which was why the train needed to go fast in order to suck in wind at higher speeds that will propel its energy generation mechanics more faster to generate the power. Constant speed, wind-intake, constant energy generation, means a potentially perpetual motion engine. If this was actually the case, it would give some explanation on how the train itself was capable of starting by itself at all at departure and why energy was still being generated on the snowpirate train despite being at a full stop. In season 2 where it showed melanie leaving wilford for dead, Ben said that the train was still "cycling", which could mean that the engine has a function that can allow it to suck in air like a vacuum in order to generate the power needed in order to get moving, this function could also have an active and passive function, both functions operating at different levels of efficiency. The active function was capable of generating the energy necessary to get the wheels and the bogie motors running, so it would gain speed to generate power for the rest of the cars. The passive function is for that there will still be energy when the train needs to move again, even though it might've had more than enough energy to begin with. (this would explain why the pirate train was at a threat of overheat despite at a full stop where no more power should generate). At least that is my personal theory about it. But yours makes a little more sense than mine. But I do have one question though, if the wheels are the main cause of the energy production/additional, then would it not be possible for the train to move by itself if it didn't have its wheels in motion to generate the energy? And what exactly is the "Starting Fuse" and how does it exist within the engines? And how would that starting fuse still exist when the trains are at a full stop and not producing power, like on the night of departure or Big Alice moving again after dropping anchor? Your explanation makes me all the more curious about your theory. Plus how is the electrical output from the trains 'constant', even though the wheels or the train itself needs to move in order to generate power in the first place? Does the engine have a generator that produces energy on its own? And do the wheels just generate additional power like you said?
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios Жыл бұрын
Due to this video taking off much more than I originally expected and how my theories have created more questions over time, I will be noting all new questions down for a follow-up video that will be far more flushed out that the current one.
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios Жыл бұрын
I just got done drafting up a new script for a followup. Instead of cramming the explanation AND in the comparison in one video, I chose to devote the entire script to explaining how the engines work slowly and concisely. From what I skimmed over my old script, most, if not all, of the ideas remain the same, it's just that I actually explain those ideas deeply instead of throwing them around as casual concepts that only make sense to the viewer if they're okay with knowing them as just that: casual concepts.
@Jordan-vb8rt
@Jordan-vb8rt 8 ай бұрын
i love the Dotor Who theme in the backround lol
@davidtull452
@davidtull452 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation and I have not seen the show and is SnowPiercer on hule?
@nanghom7819
@nanghom7819 4 ай бұрын
the last time i remembered that the train engines rely on little children 💀
@skylopez930
@skylopez930 8 ай бұрын
That Doctor Who music in the back is good. I think it's for the 3 or 4 seasons
@trolly4233
@trolly4233 9 ай бұрын
I like to think that Frostpunk is the scenario that the british put themselves in, maybe just a modernized version of The Generator
@ShinGojira1
@ShinGojira1 11 ай бұрын
I’d say Snowpiercer, I love how long fast and powerful she is
@comeradecoyote
@comeradecoyote 7 ай бұрын
My ongoing theory is that they're some manner of fusion reactor. It's the closest thing to a real perpetual motion machine that we have; granted with a lot of caveats. A fusion reactor insofar as we can theorise them working, and based on the tokamac and magnetic confinement type we see today, require a starting pulse of energy, which is pretty substantial due to the very strong magnetic fields, which can really only be maintained with a cryostat and a large pressure vessel, which keep the magnets bathed in cryogenic coolant. In addition to this constant amount of energy needed to keep confinement, and prevent the heat from the reaction from melting the interior of the reactor vessel; you also have a large amount of energy needed to start the reaction via microwave heating. So operating on this idea, we can assume the reason the trains must constantly be moving is because they need to be collecting the water from the snow to split using hydrolysis into hydrogen which are combined into deuterium and tritium needed to generate fusion. The reason there's a finite output of power for each train, is that whatever power isn't used for reactor heating, cooling, and containment, is going to be a lot, but still pretty limited, based on the width of the train, and the size of the reactor vessel itself. However, a fusion reactor has no means of decreasing its output. In a fission reactor, you have control rods which slow or stop the reaction, which can be used to control the temperature of the steam and the volume of steam generated. However, in most current plants, that steam volume is moderated through valves, and the turbine speed adjusted to frequency match the grid; excess steam can be vented. However, on Snowpiercer and Big Alice we can assume they were designed to be a fairly closed loop, designed to operate at relatively fixed speeds to compensate for the cold, and the finite power envelope needed to maintain the fission reaction, and all the support equipment, while also maintaining life onboard the train through various processes. Things like electrical resistance heating, electric light, etc. make sense when you have a powerplant capable of continuous output at a fixed rate virtually indefinitely. Big Alice is larger, probably due to the challenges of miniaturizing a fusion reactor to fit on a railroad car, and it coming first as a prototype or technology demonstrator. Why the wheels might need to be constantly rolling in order to generate power I think may be misleading. Either they're using the motor set on each wheel for regenerative breaking when going downhill, to recharge certain backup batteries or whatever. Or the wheels themselves need to be constantly turning in order to remain at operating temperature (because in such cold, wheels can become brittle and crack). As for the torque issue, we can assume a train that's a thousand cars long, the cars themselves provide traction via polyphase electric motors. Byt varying the frequency of the electric power, the wheels can be driven at different speeds, at similar torque depending on the windings. But there is an upper and lower limit with which a variable frequency motor will operate efficiently, and at starting, they will draw considerably higher amperage. This is why restarting the train can be risky, as the power draw is as much as 2-3x that of what it would be under normal speed. Likewise removing cars runs the risk of having too much excess power generation and nowhere for that power to go. That can generate back EMF or increased resistance on the generator half of the steam tubrine attached to the fusion plant. That back emf acts as a brake, which can slow down or arrest the speed of the turbine which could cause steam pressure issues. They'd have to have resistance based load cells, or dump surplus steam and run the tubogenerator at a lower operating frequency, in order to prevent the surplus power from being a problem. Or at least that's a workable theoretical explanation for the workings of a hypothetical train. Also fun fact, a lot of exterior facing parts would need to be stainless steel, or martensic "maraging" steel alloys, with a very low carbon content to prevent low temperature embrittlement and low temperature shrinkage. Though some aluminum and titanium alloys can be used too.
@corrupted1850
@corrupted1850 8 ай бұрын
K one thing low torque means its fast but can haul alot of weight and high torque is the opposite so what your said was correct but your low and high torque were reversed
@blehtbh
@blehtbh 8 ай бұрын
As someone who loves trains I feel like big Alice could be a hydrologic diesel
@TheBirb101
@TheBirb101 Жыл бұрын
TL:DR Would you rather have a sports car or a diesel truck?
@szymonbober2280
@szymonbober2280 9 ай бұрын
its probably like the Tourbillion watch, it gets energy to work from movement...
@piratier4246
@piratier4246 8 ай бұрын
I saw one video of snowpiercer and i dreamed up the rest of the people just....surviving in the icy wastes
@thegrandestbazaar4800
@thegrandestbazaar4800 2 жыл бұрын
Very good
@kukumbagumba2264
@kukumbagumba2264 8 ай бұрын
I like this theories since they actually somewhat make sense from scientifical perspective
@uhh-1e
@uhh-1e 2 жыл бұрын
Me when the video Will launch 💀
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 2 жыл бұрын
💀
@michaelbenitez539
@michaelbenitez539 2 жыл бұрын
3:03 Did you just call Big Alice and Snowpiercer Sisters?
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, SP is BA's little sister
@TheSonic10160
@TheSonic10160 9 ай бұрын
The nearest we've gotten to a perpetual motion machine would be like a nuclear Fast-Neutron Breeder Reactor, which are a phenomenally efficient form of nuclear reactor that can run on the same fuel load for hundreds of years
@jamesharding3459
@jamesharding3459 8 ай бұрын
In principle, any reactor should be capable of that. The issue comes with maintaining a stable criticality environment _without_ active measures to remove fission products that dampen the neutron flux.
@TheSonic10160
@TheSonic10160 8 ай бұрын
@@jamesharding3459 With the size of the locomotive it could be possible to have online liquid fuel reprocessing/fission product extraction either in the locomotive itself or in a tender of sorts.
@jeremymacdonald6687
@jeremymacdonald6687 9 ай бұрын
dr who theme playing in the back ground
@aldianoy.widjaja1986
@aldianoy.widjaja1986 2 жыл бұрын
Nice doctor who intro
@notyoutube8128
@notyoutube8128 5 ай бұрын
What does it mean when he says snowpiercer caused a blackout in Chicago?
@dylanculpepper7080
@dylanculpepper7080 Жыл бұрын
Big alice is high torque since wilford says he has more torque and she is very powerful with being able to push snowpiercer with HER BRAKES ON
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios Жыл бұрын
The canon in the show has evolved over time with continuous retcons and rewrites. All information in the show takes priority based on elder status - information from season one is regarded as more accurate and so on and so forth. I have received a lot of flak for my explanations in this video, some more valid than others. In response to this, there are a few key things we need to understand: the chief of which is the relation between torque and power. Big Alice is LOW torqued; LOW geared. I am not a mechanical engineer, and therefore no expert, but do not make the mistake of looking at "low" and assuming that it means weaker. Big Alice is well known for her low speed and this is exactly why. Due to her low gear/torque nature, she is built to yield POWER, as opposed to speed - whilst high torqued/geared machines are built to yield SPEED. Snowpiercer is far faster than Big Alice for this very reason - she is built with high torque in mind. This is why she is so much faster, while also being prone to struggling with steep or even moderate grades (aside from the mentioned wheel slip issues). Have you ever pedaled up a hill with the maximum gear on your bike? That's exactly what it's like for Snowpiercer. At the highest gear, you are able to transfer massive amounts of torque from your legs to the gears - allowing you to push out incredible amounts of speed and power (but you ONLY have a lot of power when you are up to a high speed, when you are starting you have very little power at all, you can easily tell this by trying to start your bicycle at the maximum gear). Big Alice, on the other hand, is stuck in the lowest gear in this analogy. Her engine can provide enormous hauling power, but hardly any speed at all. However, because Big Alice is always up to full power, no matter her speed, she is able to push Snowpiercer down the mountain with ease. This has nothing to do with having more torque than Snowpiercer (although BA does have more torque than the "stationary" Snowpiercer) and more to do with Big Alice simply having enough power to push not only a dead Snowpiercer but also a braking Snowpiercer - which we have already discussed in the video as to have had severe traction issues. So, to wrap up: Big Alice is a low-torqued machine, akin to the lowest gear on a bike. She is almost always putting out her fullest power (only losing power as she tries to push to higher speeds, this principle is why cars shift gears - so that you can maintain your power output while climbing into high speeds). Snowpiercer, however, is high-torqued, akin to the highest gear on a bike. She only reaches her peak hauling power (which is lower than Big Alice's by default) when she is up to full speed. Big Alice is a freight train, built for power, not speed. And Snowpiercer is the opposite of this, built for speed over power. How can a low-torque machine have more torque than a high-torque machine? It is because low-torque and high-torque are not inherent measures of the amount of power a machine exerts. It is a property of the internal mechanisms affecting the performance of a machine.
@Mr.Tardigrade222
@Mr.Tardigrade222 6 ай бұрын
Intro sounds like Doctor Who
@Friedrich-Wilhelm-1980
@Friedrich-Wilhelm-1980 9 ай бұрын
knowing what i know about trains i know that from time to time wheels and track need to be replaced
@shift_register7431
@shift_register7431 8 ай бұрын
Where did you get the music for this video?!
@cascadianrangers728
@cascadianrangers728 7 ай бұрын
Its dumb they had some perpetual motion machine for power when it could be a breeder reactor with pretty much no major plot changes
@thelivingcat0210
@thelivingcat0210 5 ай бұрын
You got the torque mixed up, torque is a measure of force, or in your words powerful, how much pulling force the engine can produce, horsepower is force(torque) multiplied by time. BA has high torque bc she can put more force to the ground, thereby allowing her to pull more with put issue, but her horsepower is low given that she can’t put the force to the ground as fast as snowpiercer can, probably because of the low starting fuse. Snowpiercer is low torque, this is why she struggles with acceleration and hills, she physically doesn’t have the force to put to the ground, but because of her high starting fuse, she can put what little force she does have to the ground very quickly, allowing for a higher top speed. Think of BA as a semi truck and snowpiercer as a sports car. Both can have comparable horsepower but one has a lot of force behind it and the other can put force to the ground faster.
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 5 ай бұрын
Of course, I've heard this a lot, and I willingly confess that I know little of engineering and only tried to understand the concepts as best as my more arts-oriented mind could while taking what the *show* said as fact (which is silly, I know). Not that I blame the show's own ignorance for my blunders, but it remains a factor. BA was described as low-torqued, SP as higher-torque by comparison. Always good to have someone clear up the inaccurate science, though ^-^
@thelivingcat0210
@thelivingcat0210 5 ай бұрын
@@HallimarRathlornStudios ah fair enough, glad the misunderstanding could be cleared up
@jhol2752
@jhol2752 2 жыл бұрын
dodnt wilford say that big alice had more torque when they pushed snowpiercer over the hill when the left mel behind?
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 2 жыл бұрын
That would simply be because Big Alice was using her throttle, while SP was braking. BA will obviously have more torque compared to something that isn't moving under its own power.
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 2 жыл бұрын
Though I do wonder if it's a plot error, cause low torque has more pushing/pulling power.
@jhol2752
@jhol2752 2 жыл бұрын
that sorta makes sense regardless my headcanon is still hydrogen powered fusion which might explain the liqueid metal pipes in the train aswell as the snowpirate heat output
@wilberforce6991
@wilberforce6991 8 ай бұрын
NGL I thought it just scooped snow for power
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 8 ай бұрын
That *is* what the show directly tells us - that the train is powered by scooping up snow and using it for something or another. But given that the train in the beginning of the third season has constant problems with producing too much power and melting down, one should say: "Well, if it's producing too much power, then decrease the snow input, or stop taking in snow at all." But the crew of the Snowpirate never do that. Power keeps on being generated no matter what they do, with the only way to stop a meltdown is to move forward at high speed, which is one of only two ways ever laid on in the show that Snowpiercer can spend more energy than it can produce (with the only other way being to move TOO slow with a lot of cars).
@wilberforce6991
@wilberforce6991 8 ай бұрын
@@HallimarRathlornStudios great explanation thanks
@crash4267
@crash4267 Жыл бұрын
I think of Snowpiercer like a Mazada RX-7.. high rpm with a rotatory engine lol
@Funnystones
@Funnystones Жыл бұрын
Lore be like: -HOW THE FUCK DOES THE TRAIN WORK? -But isnt there mor ethan the train? -There was more?
@syborgcat3830
@syborgcat3830 8 ай бұрын
2:39 high power, low speed would be high torque
@SCP_Site_638
@SCP_Site_638 8 ай бұрын
So where can I watch this it’s not available on Amazon prime?
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 8 ай бұрын
The first three seasons of the show are available to purchase on Amazon Prime, or for streaming on Hulu and streaming on Netflix (though Netflix is only available if you do not live in the United States).
@anoniemw.222
@anoniemw.222 2 жыл бұрын
when are you ganna make a video about the tiny train melany was in?
@charlesjakesamadan4008
@charlesjakesamadan4008 2 жыл бұрын
It's a Track Scaler nothing much interesting
@anoniemw.222
@anoniemw.222 2 жыл бұрын
@@charlesjakesamadan4008 well, why is there suspension fluid in it for 6 months and why is it able to just start moving after all those years of just sitting track site
@charlesjakesamadan4008
@charlesjakesamadan4008 2 жыл бұрын
@@anoniemw.222 As Stated by the Engineers, It was on a Shed by the foot of the Mountain by the Breslau Station, Melanie just retrofitted it with a Bed, Manual Controls and Suspension Drugs
@charlesjakesamadan4008
@charlesjakesamadan4008 2 жыл бұрын
@@anoniemw.222 It takes power from the Track Switches it was showed in Season 3 whenever it passes one it takes energy from it
@anoniemw.222
@anoniemw.222 2 жыл бұрын
@@charlesjakesamadan4008 just retrofitted it, How did she had the time and recources to do that. It just does not make sense, there just being an abandoned tiny pod and she just came there, retrofitted it and got it moving again. Unless te tiny pod was meant as some kind of escape pod (incase something went wrong with snowpiercer to get to an other train) or special maintanace vehicle with already suspension fluid so someone could get back to snowpiercer after an EVA (without big Alice snowpiercer couldn't stopand start again, so if someone gets of the train he needs some way to get back to it)
@BilalHeuser1
@BilalHeuser1 9 ай бұрын
It's a bit strange hearing the Doctor Who theme music throughout this video ...
@CaymaN2142
@CaymaN2142 8 ай бұрын
Normally I watch videos on youtube on 2x. But not here.
@Therealprinceofcobh
@Therealprinceofcobh 9 ай бұрын
I love your intro music ❤
@kai-matthiasbast8612
@kai-matthiasbast8612 2 жыл бұрын
1:45 snowpirate ahahaha
@supernovavortex3069
@supernovavortex3069 8 ай бұрын
did nobody watch the snow piercer movie?
@Wildfire_1701
@Wildfire_1701 Жыл бұрын
Let’s goooooooo
@hiena8511
@hiena8511 Жыл бұрын
hydrogen obtained from the snow?
@jimmypetrock
@jimmypetrock 2 жыл бұрын
Chicago that odl town is now freeze blackout
@boyo2012
@boyo2012 7 ай бұрын
Great video! One question...why the rush? Slow it down my friend! You talk sooooooo fast!
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, I've gotten a lotta comments about how fast I talk. I'm not in a rush, I just talk fast. I'm my newer videos tho, I've committed to slowing my speech down since I wanna make my video quality better.
@boyo2012
@boyo2012 7 ай бұрын
@@HallimarRathlornStudios oh I totally understand that since I talk fast too! It took me years of practice to slow down my natural cadence and it’s something I still struggle with today when I get excited about a topic. I was in speech therapy from when I was 5 to when I was 17 and graduated HS; most of my childhood education involved working on how I talk. My only true advice is just keep making videos! Each one you complete/upload will help you improve the quality of the next one. 😊
@ltmongoose1594
@ltmongoose1594 2 жыл бұрын
4:21 did they just get shit on?
@Penguin-5949
@Penguin-5949 2 жыл бұрын
kinda
@ImmortalAbsol
@ImmortalAbsol 8 ай бұрын
I think it's supposed to be perpetual in the sense it appears that way from the outside, think of how important self image is to him, of course he's lying. You're lead to believe it's a closed system and therefore must be perpetual, but it's not a closed system, there's gravity, solar, hydrogen etc. I also think Big Alice would have dirtier power (comparatively) like RTGs and/or bio diesel.
@exoticbutter6864
@exoticbutter6864 2 жыл бұрын
Music from detroid become human xD
@ajengleodita5495
@ajengleodita5495 2 жыл бұрын
Probably the old big Alice
@michaelhband
@michaelhband 7 ай бұрын
👍👍👍
@leechy91
@leechy91 9 ай бұрын
There is no such thing as over-unity except in a fictional universe. There is a difference between non-fiction and fiction.
@Chicken_972
@Chicken_972 10 ай бұрын
Honestly, Big Alice is supply train.
@LazyOcto
@LazyOcto 2 жыл бұрын
I actually think that maybe Snowpiercer is powered by wind, since it travels at breakneck speed. Also wind doesn’t run out because it can’t
@awaldo2848
@awaldo2848 7 ай бұрын
Ten miles long isn't unreasonably for a train? Like we make multi mile trains 10 is a little excessive but it is a trained designed to preserve the human race that runs on perpetual motion Also why are you assuming prepertual motion instead of like nuclear or something ?
@HallimarRathlornStudios
@HallimarRathlornStudios 7 ай бұрын
Because Snowpiercer has been powered by "perpetual" motion since 2013 and the train does not behave like a machine powered by a real fuel source. And a side note, Snowpiercer in the show is not ten miles long. It's around 40 miles long.
@edscoble
@edscoble 9 ай бұрын
Can you make your content inclusive by formatting the auto captioning into closed captioning please? it is extremely hard to watch it relying only on the auto captioning sadly (I'm Profoundly Deaf)
@dakotaquinn1513
@dakotaquinn1513 8 ай бұрын
Like ignoring the perpetual motion-like 90% of this explanation was wrong in a way that was so close to being right
@gammr3227
@gammr3227 Жыл бұрын
while perpetual motion is impossible, you could theoretically make snowpiercer INCREDIBLY efficient. so mabye snowpiercer is possible. My theory is that it could be powerd by solar panels running parrel to the track. These thousands of panels across the planet would definatley provide enough power.
@Alloyaha
@Alloyaha 8 ай бұрын
Bro, way too fast
@LawrenceTimme
@LawrenceTimme 8 ай бұрын
Bro why do talk so fast. Calm down.
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