BIG BANG 6.0L LS (GEN 3&4)-SBE-TWIN TURBO-29 PSI! MAX BOOST!

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Richard Holdener

Richard Holdener

4 жыл бұрын

FULL BOOSTED RESULTS (29 PSI!). JUNKYARD SBE 6.0Ls (Gen 3 vs Gen 4). We ran both a gen 3 and gen 4 6.0L to find out how much power the stock Block, Crank, Rods & Pistons can take. Of course we added ring gap, then topped them with good heads, cam and intake. We also added twin s475 Borg turbos and an ATW IC with Ice water. We cranked up the boost til they couldn't take it any more! Help us figure out what happened on the Gen 3 6.0L at Mega Boost!

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@camaromustangmods3327
@camaromustangmods3327 4 жыл бұрын
When Richard Holdner walks into a junkyard LS engines run for their lives. Great video.
@jimimacross6115
@jimimacross6115 4 жыл бұрын
"LMAO!!!.."NO SHIT!!
@philipwade5559
@philipwade5559 4 жыл бұрын
LMAO!!!🤣🤣🤣
@ariczacari
@ariczacari 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao!
@bigblock509
@bigblock509 3 жыл бұрын
🤣
@LS__812
@LS__812 3 жыл бұрын
Or maybe they stand up straight, shoulders back and proudly say "I'll show the internet what I'm capable of!" Lol
@SloppyMechanics
@SloppyMechanics 4 жыл бұрын
lol at the snoring! for the recap!
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
That's Milo
@earlhopkins3745
@earlhopkins3745 3 жыл бұрын
Richard, this is my most favorite test you've done. Mainly because I'm building a twin 403 stroker. After reviewing many of your videos on the LS 6.0's I have to think the intake and cam played big roles in your torque findings. On the Gen IV it seems you used a intake and cam that was designed for twin turbos. Let me know what your thoughts are. Also, I think both test may have been over turboed for such a small engine. Wouldn't 66-72mm turbos work better? What do these turbos look like when plotted on a map?
@stevenjenks9789
@stevenjenks9789 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😆😆😆
@claytoncarter
@claytoncarter 3 жыл бұрын
I make the same noises hunched over at my computer. 😂
@mosesjonathan1240
@mosesjonathan1240 2 жыл бұрын
instablaster
@jamesaustin4044
@jamesaustin4044 4 жыл бұрын
Snoring dog was not impressed. Gonna have to step it up somehow, Richard. ; )
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
they R my film crew
@camaromustangmods3327
@camaromustangmods3327 4 жыл бұрын
Lol. I thought I was the only one who heard that. Good shit.
@johnparrish9215
@johnparrish9215 4 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 Sounded just like my English Bulldog, Roscoe.
@fredred8371
@fredred8371 4 жыл бұрын
Let sleeping dogs lie
@robertelmo7736
@robertelmo7736 4 жыл бұрын
That's funny, this old stray (found sitting in the middle of the road) in the bed behind me is knocking it out right now. I thought the sounds were him and didn't realize it until I was perusing through the comments lol! He's doing good since he won the lottery.
@TheTmshuman
@TheTmshuman 4 жыл бұрын
Woke up and almost called the cops to go looking for you when I didn’t see a 2 am upload. Thank god your OK.
@jaydubb71
@jaydubb71 4 жыл бұрын
LMAO right!
@robertelmo7736
@robertelmo7736 4 жыл бұрын
LOL a "wellness check"?
@hydrocarbon8272
@hydrocarbon8272 4 жыл бұрын
"Check the SHOP first? What kinda nut are we checking in on? Jeez" -Cops, probably
@LS__812
@LS__812 4 жыл бұрын
Richard. I wanna thank you for blessing my days with a bountiful amount of horsepower, torque, and power adders! I do truly enjoy your love of building and testing engines and it definitely shows thru your videos! Please keep'em coming!
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
thnx will do
@kevinanglin678
@kevinanglin678 Жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 Can we see a coyote big bang comparison video?
@XHikotheproX
@XHikotheproX 4 жыл бұрын
Man I love these videos. Not often you see somebody sharing this kind of information and it just helps the car community in general.
@michaellecount5146
@michaellecount5146 4 жыл бұрын
I have learned so much from your videos! Thank you for sharing!
@davestumpsracingperformanc3475
@davestumpsracingperformanc3475 Жыл бұрын
Im glad we have you for guidance and reference sir! Always great vids and you are very helpful! Thank you sir 🏁
@CHINGY1993
@CHINGY1993 4 жыл бұрын
These videos are top stuff so much good ls info thank you so much richard
@glennroy-johnson705
@glennroy-johnson705 4 жыл бұрын
Your big bang test is what gave me the final push to try and swap a ls1 into a car, then Matt gave me the knowledge and kick in the pants to just get it done. Thank You.
@bluemustang7416
@bluemustang7416 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely thought provoking video. Can't wait to see the follow up. To see if the gen3 is capable of more peak power.
@omegared8663
@omegared8663 3 жыл бұрын
I love your channel. no bs. Straight to the point.
@tngtacticalmiata1219
@tngtacticalmiata1219 4 жыл бұрын
I still can't get over how much power you can make with these motors straight from the damn junk yard. It's obscene! And awesome!!!! It used to cost upwards of $30 or $40k to make that kind of power. Unreal.....
@JD-rq7il
@JD-rq7il 4 жыл бұрын
That $30-40k will make that power day in and day out. You are on borrowed time pushing 1500hp on these engines. Don't get me wrong, it's flat out awesome, but these are no comparison to the built motors of the heavy hitting companies...
@killsalltires156
@killsalltires156 2 жыл бұрын
Can't believe a stock 6.0 can hold that much power. That's a badass motor with a few minor upgrades no wounder it's such a popular motor to swap out. Thanks for all your knowledge and commitment to blowing Motors up Richard!. 👍🙏🇨🇦
@richdudecamaro
@richdudecamaro 4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see you run the gen4 again!!!! Been waiting on this for a while now 🥰
@douglaspierce316
@douglaspierce316 4 жыл бұрын
see the chart better with you smiling face moved. thank you. love the show. what a great job you do. [and have great job]
@soundslikealot
@soundslikealot 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, now that's what you call TORQUE! 💪 Awesome!
@mannyr.2756
@mannyr.2756 4 жыл бұрын
Long live the LS family, LS rules!....🤘
@MattPratt
@MattPratt 4 жыл бұрын
The Richard Holdener tax coming to a junkyard near you. Buy stonks in used LS engines now!
@Aseutester
@Aseutester 4 жыл бұрын
What about the new DI LTs?!
@AndyR1982
@AndyR1982 4 жыл бұрын
Love the videos. Something that personally made me like this specific video more was the fact that the Borg Warner you showed was cast at my company. I can tell by the CT foundry identifier after the 063G. And I'll go as far as to tell you it was molded and cast October 14, 2014.
@greazedlightninggarage6768
@greazedlightninggarage6768 4 жыл бұрын
👏😁 I learn something everytime I tune in!!!
@16vg60mikey
@16vg60mikey 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Making more torque and at a lower RPM is a sure way to test those rods. Wonder how far you could push the earlier motor with a progressive boost curve to keep torque in check.
@wakjob961
@wakjob961 4 жыл бұрын
CONGRATS ON 30K !
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
thnx_I need to do something
@AbdulazizSaudl
@AbdulazizSaudl 4 жыл бұрын
Happy seeing your channel growing
@genelong1748
@genelong1748 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Love your shows . Would love to tell you about my father and his turbo corvair. When everyone gave up he kicked asses in Texas auto cross now called rally
@BIGTONY2132001
@BIGTONY2132001 4 жыл бұрын
" I'll show you some of the damage is pretty cool" everyone here definitely loves this guy!!
@johnwoodworth248
@johnwoodworth248 4 жыл бұрын
It is amazing how "easy " it is to make four digit power number ratings these days , you take 15 or 20 years ago if you told somebody that you had a small block that made an excess of thousand horsepower that you could go drive every day and get groceries with they would probably look at you quite strange lol
@viciousrap700
@viciousrap700 4 жыл бұрын
And with shelf parts and not a ton of money. You'd spend way more in the chassis of a car to make it really work for the full potential of the engine.
@michaelcouey1383
@michaelcouey1383 4 жыл бұрын
I remember the old days reading freiburger's articles where they'd do a "budget build" that was still over $2500 and they were overjoyed when it made one HP per CI
@PredaFran
@PredaFran 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelcouey1383 keep in mind the cost for the engine management system and the electrical parts and supplies needed will hey close to that before the turbos are in the budget. horsepower is cheap but not that cheap. These Engines make payment wet not only because of the engine being better but the management system being light years ahead
@Aseutester
@Aseutester 4 жыл бұрын
@@PredaFran Hear hear EFI is a quantum leap better than 20+ years ago!
@PredaFran
@PredaFran 4 жыл бұрын
@@Aseutester EFI and electronic ignition timing are absolutely a quantum leap. I'm not saying a carb and a dizzy can't make big power but you are giving power and reliability away. Which you definitely want when doing 4 digit power a
@Mattvardaman
@Mattvardaman 3 жыл бұрын
Great content, this is probably the fourth time I’ve watched this one.
@jaimeozuna5879
@jaimeozuna5879 3 жыл бұрын
Great video just great! Love all the info👍
@Erichhh
@Erichhh 4 жыл бұрын
Gen 3 rods buckle at a lower cylinder pressure than the beefier Gen 4 rods, and the higher torque production of the Gen 3 at the lower RPM meant that it had higher cylinder pressure vs. the Gen 4. Usually the rods buckle in an "S" shape due to the I-beam cross section being weaker in that direction. This makes the rod shorter, which makes the piston pin bosses hit the crank counterweights. The pin boss gets dented, then grabs the pin. One key difference in Gen 3 was that the pins are press-fit into the rod eye, vs. full-floating on Gen 4. This grabbing/binding makes the piston crack and break, then massive destruction happens from there because there's an unrestrained T-shaped battering ram bouncing around in the cylinder bore.
@Erichhh
@Erichhh 4 жыл бұрын
Here's what it looks like if you catch it before the piston pin boss gets dented enough to grab the piston pin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/emGrmZKkeZWBZ7M
@matthewritchie3595
@matthewritchie3595 4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. I have a question I wanna build something that can be daily driven and not have a ton of lag. 4500rpm looks like when boost comes on I'm looking more for 3000rpm range to make it more driver friendly. Is it possible to test it on littler smaller turbos and still make 1200 or more HP for good low grunt then crank the boost and race. Also interested in MPG effects and longevity keep up good works man these videos I live for.
@shanemiller9307
@shanemiller9307 2 жыл бұрын
I think I’ve watched this 10 times. Great video
@markdonovan9247
@markdonovan9247 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video!
@Eidrian111
@Eidrian111 4 жыл бұрын
Damn those gen 3 are awesome. Currently installing an lq9 with heads cams intake exhaust and procharger on a C5 Z06. I believe some diapers are in order.
@zackthomas5707
@zackthomas5707 4 жыл бұрын
New to forced induction, but I love this channel! Awesome video as always. Gonna try and take a stab at solving this so please correct me if I'm wrong, but if you reduce the timing in that rpm/ air mass range and maybe add a tiny bit more fuel to keep things a little cooler during that ramp in period(poor mans power enrichment if I may), that would pretty much do it wouldn't it? Also, if you limit boost on the intake side through the BOV assuming that's possible, you might spool those compressors up a bit faster by bypassing restrictions in the engine, reducing resistance on the compressors and work load on the turbines. Then you could dial it in perfect ramping in exactly how you need it. Like I said, I'm new to forced induction on gassers so by all means school me if I'm off in left field. Again awesome video.
@bigitaly4554
@bigitaly4554 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome testing, Richard I’m currently building up a 6.0 to put in my 79 Trans Am. Going N/A for now, but plan to put a turbo on it as budget allows. Hoping for like 440hp/400tq now, 650hp/640tq with added atmosphere.
@jonaswetterskog3056
@jonaswetterskog3056 4 жыл бұрын
Love this! Greetings from Sweden 👍
@laborer4321
@laborer4321 4 жыл бұрын
Great work!!! Definitely was the tq that that pushed the gen3 over the edge. What s475 were you using on the gen3? Either run the s475 but with a bigger turbine wheel to slow down some of the boost or run a bigger cam to soften the midrange tq. Also was it me or was there fuel leaking on the gen3 driver side rail? I have a gen3 4.great with a t4 s475 (7575) with a jfr 212/212 that I daily. It's been my favorite setup out of all my ls powered rides.
@chadshows187
@chadshows187 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome content as usual, keep it up Richard! I'd love to see a 6.0 turbo tow motor build to focus on maximizing torque made low. Not crazy numbers but a good reliable combo.
@jacegdisis3720
@jacegdisis3720 Жыл бұрын
Me too, just towed about 7.5k to 8.5k lbs yesterday and I had to go up some very steep grades in my 2004 silverado (6.0L) and she was struggling I’d approach the hills at about 65-70mph and drop down to 50-55mph at 75% throttle, and I have like a 4.10 diff so good for towing, I just need to make more power
@marcowens-gq5sy
@marcowens-gq5sy Жыл бұрын
​@@jacegdisis3720 no you need to regear if you're towing that much. You need 4.56 gears or higher.
@solomon4933
@solomon4933 11 ай бұрын
​@@marcowens-gq5syyeah towing a turbos 😆 U want a strong tow vehicle go a pd blower easy
@fokjohnpainkiller
@fokjohnpainkiller 4 жыл бұрын
Cute doggo snoring in the background melt my heart
@bobqzzi
@bobqzzi 4 жыл бұрын
When I used to do turbo imports, I would generally set the torque at what I figured the internals and drivetrain could take. Once it was on the gate, I would adjust boost to keep the torque at say 300 lb/ft
@randywilliams4325
@randywilliams4325 4 жыл бұрын
Build the gen 3 engine again with gen 4 rods or some aftermarket rods .
@bobbobby1846
@bobbobby1846 4 жыл бұрын
this do this!
@shadowopsairman1583
@shadowopsairman1583 3 жыл бұрын
You can get a 2007 Classic Bowtie block with gen 4 parts, LR4, LM7 etc
@BruceLee-xn3nn
@BruceLee-xn3nn 2 жыл бұрын
Powdered metal rods were used in later model 7.3 powerestrokes. They're not that great at handling torque
@53chevsled
@53chevsled 4 жыл бұрын
I think the powdered metal rods of the gen3’s are weaker rods than the gen 4’s but at the same time the camshaft timing events of the twin turbo cam used in the gen 4 would also make a big difference in the torque curve/delivery , either way a great video showing the limiting factors of both gen’s 😎👍👍
@jerrysantos7460
@jerrysantos7460 4 жыл бұрын
love these videos!!!!
@woog74
@woog74 4 жыл бұрын
Thx for another great video.
@LEGOCAMARO
@LEGOCAMARO 4 жыл бұрын
Trying to make the most out of a stock bottom end. My first change would be the fuel Nitromethane would let you run cooler and make more power with less psi. But will not be for a long term deal. Don’t hit it hard off the pull and check the rods for any sharp points where heat can build up. Round them off.
@TurboDog73TX
@TurboDog73TX 4 жыл бұрын
I definitely feel that the quicker torque rise of the Gen 3 version is what killed it. I'd really like to see any or all the big bang tests done on M1..
@TheProchargedmopar
@TheProchargedmopar 4 жыл бұрын
Super deluxe. Cool vid, excellent questions! 👍
@alysshakerslake6191
@alysshakerslake6191 4 жыл бұрын
Thanx for the great video!!
@CamaroRick
@CamaroRick 4 жыл бұрын
The rod wasnt all discolored so it doesnt look like a bearing failure. Makes sense. Now test the limits of cheap forged H beam vs I beam
@stacekirstein9646
@stacekirstein9646 4 жыл бұрын
I’d like to see the high ram on the gen 4 - I think the difference in torque may be found in the change in intake manifold
@christiancapps9896
@christiancapps9896 4 жыл бұрын
I finally realised who you remind me of, rich christenson. He used to do a show called pink's. Probably the hair cut but you've got quite the personality. Thanks for the vids you put out, found you after watching sloppy forever.
@chezleymcdonald2481
@chezleymcdonald2481 4 жыл бұрын
Christian Capps no offense but Richard has forgotten more than that dumb as at Pinks lol in the first season he did the arm drop with his hands by his side and flung them in the air when he wanted the cars to leave lol
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
Matt does good stuff over there-Rich Christensen had a good run over at Pinks
@rifleman7313
@rifleman7313 2 жыл бұрын
Great job analyzing the difference between gen 3 and gen 4 6.0L. I imagine that it would be more prevalent if it was a gen 3 5.3L and a gen 4 5.3L based 383 stroker. However I don't know.
@slysithejuicegy
@slysithejuicegy 4 жыл бұрын
To really push the gen 3 I think you need both strategies. Cam\head's\intake\turbo to shape the torque curve and boost management as a final safeguard. There is no point trying to make power up high if the combo is spent. Anyways this is all old news in the 4 cylinder world. They push boost right to the ragged edge of the rods, piston's and head gaskets. The tuner can window the block on command.
@Blood04
@Blood04 4 жыл бұрын
i can't wait for that 4 bar run
@nathanlodder1006
@nathanlodder1006 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Richard!
@Levibetz
@Levibetz 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff! I agree with bleeding the boost in. Get the engine to rev harder, it looks like the torque curve isn't dropping off too hard. If you can make more power between say 5500 and 7500, that's a win for a race car, that's where it'd be during a pass.
@yuyaarai8207
@yuyaarai8207 4 жыл бұрын
I’d like to see the comparison between draw through turbo setup vs the blow through turbo setup. Also I’d be interested to see if draw through setup works just fine with EFI just like pre-turbine water/methanol injection but with gasoline or E85. I appreciate you and your videos.
@dalethomas9307
@dalethomas9307 4 жыл бұрын
Im my experience pre turbo water/meth injection is hell on the compressor blades. Think about how fast the compressor is spinning and the fact that it is ingesting liquid not a vapor. there is never enough inlet pipe in front of the the turbo to get the nozzle far enough away from the compressor for the liquid to totally atomize.
@johnwehunt4305
@johnwehunt4305 3 жыл бұрын
L33 block with Gen IV rotating assembly. Cheap way to survive the carnage.
@brianmiller1149
@brianmiller1149 4 жыл бұрын
Great video!!
@brandonpanozzo86
@brandonpanozzo86 4 жыл бұрын
you are the man richard
@MafiaboysWorld
@MafiaboysWorld 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely has to do with rod thickness Richard. Gen 3s have thinner rods compared to Gen 4s so putting 1330ft/lb will snap the Gen 3 rods all day. After reading some articles I notice that there were some Gen 3s fitted with Gen 4 internals around 2004-05 during the transition to Gen 4. Maybe that's the solution, Gen 4 rods in the Gen 3 block. 🤔
@GustavoGarcia-tf1gm
@GustavoGarcia-tf1gm 4 жыл бұрын
Correct I have a Lq4 out of a 04 Sierra 2500 and it was a gen 3 with gen 4 internals no vvt or afn
@dustinjackson8646
@dustinjackson8646 4 жыл бұрын
Same here. 2005 Gen 3 5.3 with Gen 4 internals. Got lucky!
@tylersmith7054
@tylersmith7054 4 жыл бұрын
My first junkyard motor was an 05 5.3 L59. It was a gen 3 with gen 4 rods.
@dudemcgee256
@dudemcgee256 4 жыл бұрын
Really? I have a 2005 GMC Sierra Denali with an LQ9, I wonder if it has the bigger rods?
@cc23001
@cc23001 4 жыл бұрын
Yes we call those gen 3.5s. Easiest way to tell is they went from 10mm to 13mm heads on the exhaust manifold and valley cover bolts
@Tylerbfz
@Tylerbfz 4 жыл бұрын
I think with the different cam and different heads between the two it’s kinda of hard to say which is better. I’d like to see the test redone with all matching parts on both engines so we have a definitive answer
@typrus6377
@typrus6377 4 жыл бұрын
POP! Goes the boost hose! Always fun to lose a hose on a hard pull... First time I had it happen on a 25psi pull, I thought a dang shotgun went off... Had just upgraded the turbo to boot. Nearly had a heart attack and a need for fresh britches, but thankfully held it together hahaha
@2JZLS
@2JZLS 4 жыл бұрын
So excited to see what the Gen 4 can do with the 4-bar MAP sensor! I predict over 1750hp.
@shannonsisk
@shannonsisk 4 жыл бұрын
I think it might be gear changes that are the hardest on the stock bottom ends. Spinning to 7k making 1k hp and then BAM shift gears and draaaags the motor down in rpm. That’ll make some cylinder pressure
@Baard2000
@Baard2000 3 жыл бұрын
Thats the difference in building an engine for drag race , road race , tractor pull etc...
@Tiersmoke92555
@Tiersmoke92555 4 жыл бұрын
The best dynoman on that side of the Mississippi. "I guarantee!" "A little boost for you, a little boost for me."
@jeffschwartz5199
@jeffschwartz5199 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure you'll do whatever comes to mind! Got to like "a shot in the dark" , the best way to go ! 🌌
@scottvadon2095
@scottvadon2095 4 жыл бұрын
I L😍❤E this stuff !!! If(when?) I win the lottery I will built my own dyno cell and do this with mostly pushrod 5.0 HOs and some other crazy things I have rattling around in my head.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
I've done lots of 5.0L-still have my 1988 5.0L LX bought back in Nov 1987
@scottvadon2095
@scottvadon2095 4 жыл бұрын
I bought a 1989 LX hatch new in February '89 ... wish I still had it. Been wanting another Fox. My current project is a 1978 Mustang II with a "Budget"(?😛) twin turbo 5.0HO
@escuelaviejafarms
@escuelaviejafarms 4 жыл бұрын
I blew a block once. Grenadeed a 350 in a truck that I just bought on the I-5 freeway, heading to L.A. for the weekend. I smoked all 5 Lanes of rush hour traffic, LOL. No power adders needed, LOL!
@Obshowersyndicate
@Obshowersyndicate 4 жыл бұрын
I threw a rod on a 350 in my 260z and had it towed back to my nice gated community apt parking lot not knowing what had happened to it. Later that night a neighbor knocked on my door to tell me my car was hemorrhaging all over the parking lot . The water filled up the pan and pushed all the oil out of the hole in the block I didn't see.
@escuelaviejafarms
@escuelaviejafarms 4 жыл бұрын
@@Obshowersyndicate I left all the oil in the engine from the fast lane, all the way to the side of the road to the right of the slow lane. I had to stand with both feet on the brakes to get the 3/4 ton 1972 Chevy to a safe stop. I jumped out and checked out the bottom of the engine, it was pissing oil all over. I eventually got it towed back to base and started working on it at the auto shop. Come to find out the #7 piston popped, literally left a hole the size of my fist in the lifter valley and a chunk of rod went south. I pulled a H.O. 305 out of a burnt up 80's Camaro, dropped it in and never could get it to run right. I didn't have the money to store it at the auto shop and fix it, so I handed them the title to pay for the bill. I miss that truck.
@RL-RL
@RL-RL 4 жыл бұрын
So if possible, always go with Gen4 rods. Got it!
@alafrosty
@alafrosty 3 жыл бұрын
Nope. The Gen-4 rods didn't exceed 1250 ft-lbs. You only know that the Gen-3 rods are known good for 1300+ foot-lbs and that the gen-4 rods are known-good for 1250+ ft-lbs. Without seeing a gen-4 drop a rod on a dyno run, I'd put my money on the gen-3 rods for strength. That said, the gen-4 6.0 rods were designed to be stronger. But how do they really work/fail at the limit?
@completetuningsolutions
@completetuningsolutions 3 жыл бұрын
100% agree with you. Much lower power levels but we snapped a rod on purpose on a 6g72 around 15 years ago, just to find that limit (we broke one off clean, another one bent). Did the same thing, torque dropped faster than the previous pulls and then snapped with massive carnage about 1000rpm later after the decline. What was the pull before like (the one that didn't pop the gen 3 and made it full time, about 1220 ft lbs. Curves more closely mirror lower pulls. Nice work, thank you for the research.
@paul2466
@paul2466 3 жыл бұрын
Great video 👍👍
@jasonshawaga3413
@jasonshawaga3413 4 жыл бұрын
1:10. Fuel leaking a bit. Crazy power tho!
@Nickyb801
@Nickyb801 4 жыл бұрын
Can you share some of the Holley tune files? Like sloppy mechanic tune cabinet. Nice to be able to reference timing on the boosted LS engines.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
the tuning (timing table) is only WOT-so the file is useless for anything but engine dyno runs
@technicallyeco.2751
@technicallyeco.2751 4 жыл бұрын
Just sub, love the channel especially this video in particular would be awesome to see a flatplane crank in the mix.....interesting???
@jeffschwartz5199
@jeffschwartz5199 4 жыл бұрын
Lol, I have to love your dog! 🐕
@basscube5
@basscube5 4 жыл бұрын
You're overthinking how to reduce the torque a little to keep the engine alive. Soften up the timing at/below the torque peak but I feel like you know this ;) We manage traction at the drag strip through ignition timing because turbos don't respond in an instant. Wonderful content btw. Love your channel.
@MadAdventure919
@MadAdventure919 4 жыл бұрын
Damn.... I have fully build 6.0l gen 4 on my twin turbo vette on 22psi E85 now and scratching my head if I should turn up 2psi more. 😆
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
yes
@EluderRacing
@EluderRacing 4 жыл бұрын
love your channel!!!! I am new to the LS game can you do or have you done a 1000hp budget build with a single turbo? id love to see a video of that or can you give me a recipe of what I need to achieve this
@MrPOWHS
@MrPOWHS 4 жыл бұрын
Good god these shortblocks are unreal
@austindoud273
@austindoud273 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't window the block go again
@connordavis5086
@connordavis5086 4 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see how long that Gen4 6L would last at 29.2lbs
@GreatLakesLogger
@GreatLakesLogger 4 жыл бұрын
The thing is is that it would be difficult to load the engine hard enough in a street vehicle to be able to make that much boost so you would very rarely make it up there.
@Aseutester
@Aseutester 4 жыл бұрын
@@GreatLakesLogger Are you talking about Getting the power to the ground/ Tire Grip?!
@GreatLakesLogger
@GreatLakesLogger 4 жыл бұрын
@@Aseutester ya. Maintaining enough traction to keep the load on the street. Track is a different story but I drive exclusively offroad or streets so I never have that kind of prep.
@Aseutester
@Aseutester 4 жыл бұрын
@@GreatLakesLogger indeed if you can't really use it why make it/waste fuel!
@deanstevenson6527
@deanstevenson6527 4 жыл бұрын
Connor Davis : It'll be Divine if its not At It All the Time. The "Twerk" curve at a 3.0 dag yum effective boost ratio is a stock good six liters 1.31 ft-lbs per cube times 3.. Thats a 6 liters' 366 cubes timez 3.63 ft-lb and that gives 1330 ft lbs. David Vizard and the old boys tried boost modulation to pull back on rod beam failure on 70 to 74 Pintos and JanSpeed A series 1275 Fours back in the mid 70s to early 80s . Holley HP and the waste gates can be boost controlled by ignition degradation or by simple bleed off at the controller. Protect the rods brotherz. The stock GM rods are hell for stout, but they are just production rods. Cross Sectional Area Maketh the Strength. Its gutta have Junk in itz Trunk to handle the Bezerk Twerk...
@2muchspl
@2muchspl 4 жыл бұрын
This was a great test!!! I think you're on to something with trying to get the boost curves identical. That 100+ ft lb of torque gap from 3500-5500 on the peak overlays was serious. Thank you for the max PSI test for us mortals,lol
@tptrsn
@tptrsn 4 жыл бұрын
I think at 166ft-lbs per spindly little rod beam, those gen 3 rods gave all they had. BUT I am super excited to see what you can squeeze out of the gen 4 with the rest of the boost! :)
@brandonpeery8209
@brandonpeery8209 4 жыл бұрын
What timing was run between the two?
@realstakes101
@realstakes101 4 жыл бұрын
I would really like to see pump gas numbers for daily drivers. 93
@BLKMGK4
@BLKMGK4 4 жыл бұрын
Own a 911 turbo, we have shit rods and they bend with big torque and the trans hates it too. We dork the timing in the midrange to lower torque and run lower boost and then once torque peak has passed we ramp in the ignition and throw boost at it for a top end charge. Still runs great in the mid but as the RPMs climb it takes off - worth it for sure!
@sydneyACE
@sydneyACE 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Richard, thanks for the informative videos! Would you mind talking just a little bit about what fuels you are typically using in each video? I'm assuming you're running race gas to prevent detonation, but... Also maybe you could mention timing numbers too? Thanks again!
@ABetterLifeInc
@ABetterLifeInc 4 жыл бұрын
I think it was the higher torque at a lower RPM.
@MastersOfMask
@MastersOfMask 4 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video comparing non VVT and VVT GEN4 on boost. Both with the same amount of boost and rpm and with similar cams profiles.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
VVT and Non VVT will have different cam profiles by design
@fastfox23
@fastfox23 4 жыл бұрын
I think the biggest difference would be power under the curve, VVT "should" be able to produce more torque earlier and maintain it out the end. That's all in the tuning, manipulating the cam timing to optimize it for that rpm.
@blk95gsrt
@blk95gsrt 3 жыл бұрын
If the cams were the same and both setups were optimized the peak hp and tq would be the same, but you could have power over a broader range with the vvt.
@2765r
@2765r 4 жыл бұрын
Bad ass video. So couple of questions. 1. What’s the HP/TQ with auto or stick 2. Have you did a comparison with bottle ?
@DesTakeFlight
@DesTakeFlight 4 жыл бұрын
U the man Richard 💯💪
@davidcunningham00
@davidcunningham00 4 жыл бұрын
Someone is sleeping,. And this makes me rethink of my gen 3 rods, I was wanting to make 800
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
Goldens
@Amsinckster
@Amsinckster 4 жыл бұрын
To limit torque i would reduce timing.
@robertkeime4907
@robertkeime4907 4 жыл бұрын
Great video
@3800TURBO
@3800TURBO 4 жыл бұрын
That fat fast torque rise at 4000 rpm will bend the gen3 twigs no problem. The BTR st3 single turbo cam with the long runner holley hiram seems like a wild combo. Good response.
@kenhar1000
@kenhar1000 4 жыл бұрын
nuts to run that much boost on that combo. surprised the head gaskets held. #1 engine just broke a rod due to load. I've seen other LS lift heads off the gaskets with studs at those boost levels. in short there was nothing wrong with either engine just not created to do that much on stock parts, but did show what an LS can do!!!!!!!!!
@funnlivinit
@funnlivinit 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. The entire premise of the series is to find out how much power they can take. I guess he found out!
@boostnhoe
@boostnhoe 4 жыл бұрын
What ring gap do you run??? Love these videos. Ahmad
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 жыл бұрын
.030+
@steveyoutube1709
@steveyoutube1709 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, data wins Would love to see the timing graphs !!
@ryanaxberg9263
@ryanaxberg9263 4 жыл бұрын
What if for the next big bang motor you would do like a rising boost curve, lower timing, a cam that that makes peak power past past 7500 and the btr equalizer intake. Another great vid richard.
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