BIG BANG B16A-HOW MUCH BOOST?

FULL RESULTS. WHO WINS? STOCK B16A v 57MM TURBO. How much boost can you run a stock, untouched B16A? How much power does it make? Why didn't we add ring gap? You will find all these answers and more when we run a 57-mm turbo on this stock B16A. Did I mention we also ran it with a small Turbonetics Turbo system, or that we ran the 57-mm turbo with a long-tube header? It's all here!

[@huleta]

I’d love to see you do this test again with some ring gap. Keep on putting out awesome content

[@RideRevival_Outdoor]

^This!

[@Brock_Landers]

I have a forged internal B16A with Wiseco pistons and Eagle rods and Cylinder Support Systems installed to close the deck, but I haven't run it yet. I did this same thing on a bone stock non-VTEC B18B1 that I tore down and rebuilt with ACL bearings and NPR rings and it made 408 whp reliably for years and was really fast.

[@SiegePerilousEsauMaltomite]

Big Turbo EJ8 what all made it make 400? Those internals and a turbo? Seems real common, close to stock and a big turbo. Then you start swapping cranks and shit... Honda’s seem like too much fun

[@dochvtech22]

Look up Gene Kim, Robert breaker on KZbin

[@dochvtech22]

Look up Gene Kim, Robert breaker on KZbin

[@iitru45]

I remember reading about this a LONG time ago in one of the tuning magazines. I'm pretty sure I still have it. Awesome to know you were the one behind that write up. Was way cool to read about back then. So many myths flying around back then.

[@nickangelo2119]

It was in Honda tuning I still have that issue as well. Was definitely early 2000s

[@mobilebeeler]

I remember this too! I remember my dad being a Chevy guy said "son. You need one of these honda Bees. Look at this stock bottom end power" lol 👍 good shit

[@boostismagic]

@@nickangelo2119 yeah, but that one made around 500 didn't it? I think they added just pistons?

[@bbdetailing9123]

Myths still flying now!! I have that issue in my "reference books" collection.

[@joehowell9058]

Love all the content but especially the Honda stuff. I've made 612 on a stock b18b sleeve with CP 9-1 Pistons and scat h-beam rods with a VTEC head. I have a 84 1/2 mm la sleeved GSR which has no cylinder reenforcement. That motor has 10 to 1 wiseco pistons, Manley turbo tuff rods. It made 847 to the wheels. It was dynoed on a mustang Dyno. Both of the engines were extremely reliable and the GSR is still in my race car.

[@jasonamerica7618]

How much boost

[@connoisseuroftigolbitts]

Jason America 847FWHP? probably like 25lbs+ of boost

[@joehowell9058]

34 lb of boost

[@michaeldavidmontalvo2402]

What type of gas

[@monjier]

I like Hondas but which part of that was stock?

[@battlereadymafia]

Videos like this over years have given me not only the confidence, but the crystal clear understanding of how things work in the engine bay ... dont have any family or friends with a background of mechanic work AT ALL!!! Strictly self and internet taught, ive had many project cars and bikes up to know that I learned how to work on thanks to videos JUST LIKE THIS .. thank you for Amazing content truly informative and appreciative and im sure many others like me are !

[@richardholdener1727]

happy to help

[@TheMitch1611]

Great test, I was vary surprised when you posted something about Honda’s a couple weeks ago. I’ve ran a stock bottom end b16a with 10psi about 50000 miles 260hp and the thing just wants more, after watching this I’d be happy gapping rings and shooting for 350. Any more Honda stuff you have I’ll watch 👍

[@richardholdener1727]

I have lots

[@fastinradfordable]

300+hp Honda is an insane feeing.

[@ikaros21]

@@fastinradfordable phhhh wjy? My car came with 300 hp stock lol!

[@MODeration_nXS]

@@ikaros21 What car?

[@carguy6699]

@@ikaros21 if you're referring to the car on your profile an old school Honda weighs around 1200lbs less than that. Power to weight ratio would be 11.6lbs per hp and Civic hatch around 6.5lbs per hp... That 300whp Civic will leave your car in the dust... That's why... 300whp Civic hatchback's or even coupe's will run into the 11's with a good driver and slicks.. and fwd need slicks for the quarter mile because their 60' is so shitty without them. Rwd doesn't have that handicap. Take both cars for a roll race and regular street tires work fine for the HP fwd setups.

[@samuelweiss4548]

Keep them coming! Really loving the vast variety of different engines/tests and all the knowledge and data to help us all out! Thanks Richard!

[@fmanion24]

I'll take a brake from tuning my gto with Hp tuners, to watch Richard's greatness.

[@mbm460ns9]

GTO Kid could you recommend a good video for getting started with hp tuners

[@trialbyturbo9106]

MBM460 Ns “how you use hpt 101” by sloppy mechanics. His website a ton of base tunes

[@mbm460ns9]

Malone Harrison thanks so much i’m a carb guy making the switch

[@tonydavila2606]

MBM460 Ns welcome 🙏, big power gains in efi

[@fmanion24]

@@mbm460ns9 CSSOB on KZbin has some really good step by step videos.

[@FastFoxx82]

This is just interesting as a car fan. I love seeing the variety of builds on this channel

[@bryanleverett2830]

When your watching “fastest car” on Netflix and get bored, so you switch to KZbin to Richards newest video and then Richard pops up on Netflix with Chad lol.

[@richardholdener1727]

the Chad is rad

[@plumbs7199]

Yep I saw that !

[@mchristII]

@@richardholdener1727 netflix? where?

[@brandong6766]

Funny. About an hour ago I told my car to hit play, she said na its boring u wont like it, and this video was definitely a good one.

[@muaminhugsy4964]

Just got my hands on a stock B16A, this makes for perfect timing. Awesome video 👍

[@DSRE535]

There isn't much I wouldn't give up to be apart of all this dyno testing!

[@matt-be8kt]

I had a 1989 clean ford probe gt with the old f2t when I was young. Did head stead, ring gap, water meth, 2000cc injectors, I think it was a master power gt45, on Megas squirt. Ran 28 psi forever, all my friends said it would never last and I ran that setup for 5 years with absolutely no issues. It's all about the tune people.

[@PeterFeltersnatch852]

How much power did it make just curious?

[@matt-be8kt]

@@PeterFeltersnatch852 I never had it on a dyno. I did a base tune from one of my friends that had close to the same setup. Then I just street tuned it with a wideband.

[@Sleeperdude]

Love all the big bang stuff . Big bang every motor I'll keep watching them

[@wakjob961]

Yup. Seeing the limits of an engine, and knowing what caused it is invaluable !!!

[@timothybolden9955]

You’re what the world needs right now!

[@jacobvanausdeln1696]

When I was starting out years ago with a local tuning company in Washington state your Honda books got my threw it. 👍

[@MJTAUTOMOTIVE]

Thanks for all the different varieties of platforms you are putting up lately. I subbed when you had around a thousand subscribers and it has gone nuts over the last few months. Almost at 50 thousand subscribers. You put in all the hard work, and we appreciate it. Can't wait for more videos to come. Thanks again Richard. Cheers.

[@richardholdener1727]

Thanks for the sub!

[@obeyyourking3219]

Didt even blow it up

[@kens97sto171]

Pretty cool, it's amazing how much power these stock engines can actually make. Honestly I think I would have taken that original small turbo setup you got going. The power and torque curve was much nicer and smoother. And for street use I suspect the car might even be faster, because you'll be pulling longer and sooner rather than it all rushing up at the tail end. At a drag strip where you can stay in the high RPM ranges you probably get a different result. Great video keep up the great work

[@supercuda1950]

Even though I don't do Hondas it's interesting to erase the myths surrounding the stock engine. Thanks for a great dyno session.

[@GnarshredProductions]

now a days lots of high powered honda builds use CSS cylinder support system they convert your block to a closed deck, otherwise a sleeved block like darton MID or LA sleeves are also a good option. Ive heard around 450+whp stock sleeves start to be a gamble some might get away with it and some might crack a sleeve, of course a few pulls on the dyno doesnt really show how long it will last over a longer period of time.

[@dilsher12]

Need to get a early non VVTI 2JZGE from a lexus and do a big bang test on it . You can pick them up cheap $400-$1000

[@SuperSreggin]

Yes please

[@chrism8217]

Holy 2002 setup, Batman! This test would be much more interesting if it was redone with modern turbo tech.

[@mareksumguy1887]

Chris M ikr... this guys a hack.

[@chadcollyer4957]

@@mareksumguy1887 let's see you do better. Where are your videos?

[@chrism8217]

@@mareksumguy1887 I disagree. Richard is a trailblazer and has extremely deep knowledge on engine dynamics, this is just a really old test that he's revisiting, likely to cater to a wider range of viewers. Most of his clients these days are V8 owners, so he doesn't visit 4 cylinder stuff much anymore. You can't fault him for that.

[@mareksumguy1887]

Chris M what kind of a moron would use old garbage turbos??

[@chrism8217]

@@mareksumguy1887 This test appears in a book he published in 2003, it wasn't done last week. This stuff was the best available at the time. I'd love to see him re-do it with a modern turbo, but as I said, he's got his hands full with V8 stuff. That's where the money is.

[@hydrocarbon8272]

The bone-stock B16A record, last time I saw, was 560whp. Made it 2-3 runs, then cracked the ringlands (no gap). That's stock from the throttle body to the exhaust gasket. Comparing a chassis dyno b16 (155whp with same mods) to yours (185hp), that means ~650hp. They are pretty crazy little rice burners. The K-series are even wilder, but they have aweful transmissions when you feed it so much torque.

[@kennyallison7201]

I wonder what a stock b16 with more ring gap would do in a big bang situation?

[@Suerte_Pepe]

Superstreet did a b16a with arias pistons stock rods 24psi 507whp. I had a b16a2 12psi beat it up for about a year daily driving till 2 pistons cracked just like you explained. I learned something from your video bigger ring gaps, thanks

[@rexwarren3052]

Not into 4 or 6 bangers but since you're doing it I watch

[@richardholdener1727]

thnx-every motor need more power

[@Levibetz]

I'd be curious to see a Big bang subaru! They're famously blowy-uppy, how much cold Richard Holdener make? I suspect they don't have quite enough ring gap stock, and often times people are trying to shove way too much boost in at low speeds.

[@AlexP-yb7gh]

that's exactly what i was thinking, hopefully we get to see him run an sti engine to its limits and maybe elaborate more on the famous ring land failure

[@Levibetz]

@@AlexP-yb7gh I've seen the theory that ring gap is just too tight stock and sits there and weakens that area with lots of slight ring butting.

[@BoltOffEscape]

Ford 2.3 would be great, I’ve heard they’re monsters with a good head on them

[@stevendayt97]

They make some mean dirt track motors out of them. Upwards of 250 hp n/a with a mean cam.

[@dylanbellville5885]

The 2.4 Honda’s (k24a2) come with a good head from the factory. But it’s going to be limited by the rods bending at over 800hp. How much power will the stock 2.3 ford rods hold?

[@BoltOffEscape]

Dylan Bellville I’ve heard... crank rods block are good to 600 with the actual turbo coupe pistons, I just wanted to see him destroy those numbers like he has every other motor in existence lol

[@drakeolson2539]

I look forward to these videos in the morning!!!!

[@zenithskull]

Damn those subs are jumping! Good to see , hope you end up making a lil bit of money for giving us so much good info .

[@davidbailey4036]

Hey Rich! Been here since you had 1200 subs. You are almost at 50k. But you deserve 2 million plus. If you are ever in Nc, your welcome to come by and have a beer.

[@richardholdener1727]

thnx for the OG support

[@davidbailey4036]

@@richardholdener1727 you're very welcome,brother. Keep up the good work.

[@LEXLUTHER66666]

Will we ever see a big bang 300 Ford?

[@mrwd1234]

This is the one we need.

[@pberry351]

I'll 2nd this

[@jwayne1202]

Are you talking about the 6 cylinder 300

[@RecklessBlueF100]

Richard @@@@@

[@LEXLUTHER66666]

@@jwayne1202 Yes Sir

[@G23teknik]

GREAT VIDEO. Please make more Honda videos. K Series will be great. I’ll make sure to share all of them!

[@fobiojames]

Man I love this guys attitude

[@itsjussjerry]

Wow. Some great information from 15 years ago thats still relevant in today's world. Would love to see you redo this test!

[@erickmerida7116]

I love the video the way to explain everything.... my b16 is pushing about 300 on everything stock only 13 psi ... hopefully to push more soon

[@BigWillsMods]

I would love to see some euro big bang.. M113 5.4 Mercedes!! Would be epic

[@exvils]

agreed, even 4.3 and 5.0, as their are cheaper then even e36 IS engines or m50/m52 :D

[@Ugrasrava]

Or an M117. I'd *love* to see Richard hot-rod the old K-Jet mechanical injection, too.

[@DinsdalePiranha67]

In my Christoper Walken voice: I got a fever, and the only prescription is more ring gap!

[@richardholdener1727]

ping pong!

[@GIGABACHI]

I swear the next time someone ask me about what should they mod in their hot rod engine, turbo or not, I'll scream: " THE M.F PISTON RING GAP, THAT'S WHAT ! Just make it plenty bigger. Patron Saint of ALL Boosted Engines and Punisher of Crooked Facts , Richard Holdener said and proved so already. " 👌🏻😊👍🏻 Looking forward to next video. U ROCK. 🤘🏻

[@richardholdener1727]

thnx-if only I would have listened to my future self

[@Wreckedekcoupe]

Keep the honda/acura goodness coming buddy! I enjoy your videos and love hearing the conclusion. Thanks for the time you put in for videos for us to watch.

[@TurboJohn74]

That stg 3 wheel is never really street friendly, but that's what you had around. Great content as always

[@richardholdener1727]

agreed-that turbo was not the best choice-just what I had laying around back in the day

[@rmiles3281]

soooo...I NEVER subscribe to a channel....but Mr. Richard, you've earned it. SUBBED

[@patlandymore7035]

Awesome test! I had no idea those Little buggers could produce that much power at roughly 15 psi. Thanks for posting it 😁

[@manitoublack]

Keep in mind that with race fuel they can run much more aggressive timing, than can be done with typical premium pump fuel. Also the lack of any accessories and drive components makes a massive difference.

[@dennisclanton5342]

Thanks for doing all these vids. It takes tons of time so thanks!

[@dvs_15gt74]

Testing idea for you, with catch cans and different number/diameter hoses. I’d be curious to see someone hook up a pressure gauge to see how much actual pressure is in the valve train with no vent vs ventilation and what diameter lines.

[@dposcuro]

An engine I am always curious about, is the Suzuki H27A V6, found in the 98-06 XL-7, and the 05-07 Grand Vitaras. They are all aluminum, closed deck blocks, and supposedly very light (~260 lbs, long block). I have *heard* that the crank is forged, but have never had opportunity to confirm that rumour.

[@Brock_Landers]

I can personally tell you that my forged LSVTEC (B18B1 1.8L non-VTEC block with CP pistons and Eagle rods with a B16B Civic Type-R head with cams, MLS head gasket, ARP head studs, etc) makes 612 whp with the possibility of making more. It runs on E85 and has a Garrett GTX3582R dual ball bearing turbo. The limiting factor of power is the turbo only had a .63 AR exhaust housing. I just bought a 1.06 AR housing for it. The only sleeve support I have is a blockguard. I also have a Cylinder Support Systems installed JDM B16A in my basement with Wiseco pistons and Eagle rods as a backup.

[@matt.ja90]

Good stuff Richard. Can you please post a video on any K24 stuff you may have?

[@thatangrycarguy3350]

Awesome video! And as far as i know to really break passed 500hp safety is to css your block and beef up the rods.. but really thats it. Also springs and retainers if you wanna rev to the moon, but definitely not needed for 7k rpm

[@youtubeisbroken241]

Thanks rich. This is exactly what I wanted to see. I love chevy but as a kid I played with Hondas.

[@dochvtech22]

Wow!!............... kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ3Yf6iMpZeSiqc

[@easymail116]

1996 B18C Type R, arp headstuds, oem head gasket, e85 and 19 degrees of total timing. 410/277 @ 14.5psi eBay t3/t04e .63 exhaust housing. I road race it at that power level, zero failures.

[@dedereksmith7092]

Can you do a video on the Chevy Sprint 1.0 Turbo 3cyl I'm a..... Asking for a friend being a 3-cylinder guy is not something I would usually admit lol

[@carwashadamcooper1538]

No test nessecary. It'll be ok. I promise.

[@richardholdener1727]

Great suggestion!

[@HioSSilver1999]

My dad had one of those. Great little cars and a hoot to drive.

[@jhansen6180]

The new koeningseg has a 3 cylinder with 600hp, and another 800hp electric system!!

[@f688xt6]

@@richardholdener1727 I own a 1.0 Ecoboost Fiesta as well, which could be a good test. I know those engines are available at wrecking yards from crashes. 2014 to 2017 Fiesta SFE package. Ford showed them at 200hp in an open wheel car in Europe a few years ago. Chris Harris tested it. I'd really like to see how far it can go before total destruction. I'd bet closer to 400hp.

[@td6840]

I love the B series Honda stuff. Keep it up. Also, the chevy stuff is great, but I'd like to see some more HEMI and Honda videos.

[@richardholdener1727]

More to come!

[@ronniewilliz153]

Ive been giving new life to old stuff most my life. I reuse almost everything if i can an its like anything or even us,well blow up or go crazy if pushed to much.

[@dochvtech22]

Look up Gene Kim

[@goofygcode4217]

Id like to see a Honda D series Big Bang test, just cause it’s a tiny single cam engine and people usual just tear them out to go B series thinking they can’t make power!.. let’s prove those people wrong!.. lmao

[@jseney93]

Like to see this done with a 2.2 ecotec

[@dustinjackson8646]

I recall a 700hp test on one back in the day.

[@timothybayliss6680]

When gm went racing with these, they used the factory block and turbo head and made more than 1200hp with all the boost and a huge dose of spray.

[@Sharkey_t]

a 2.2l ecotec, with the rings gapped, has done 400 whp. its uncommon though, most people that try end up breaking a piston or disintegrating a rod around 300 whp. around 500hp is around the point where you need a closed deck block, either a girdle, or go with a gen 3 block. the ecotec is the first 5 second 4 cyl 1/4 mile, and it used a cast lsj block and head

[@batman9592]

Can you do a fuel test for 87, 91, 93, E85, Avgas and Race Fuel. Changing the timing to suit each fuel.

[@timothybayliss6680]

I know its really obscure but I would love to see an audi 2.7tt on the dyno. Some guys run the factory short blocks routinely over 800hp. The 3.0l engine in the family get a bad rap, myths of cylinder walls splitting at 400hp. They are also the most common, the whole car can be had for less than $500 and has the best heads.

[@karenashcraft8812]

Dodge 420a .030-.035 ring gap 30psi made 661 Whp old school GT40r T4

[@zfreak2808]

Is that pretty universal for most 4 cylinders?

[@matt-be8kt]

I had a dodge avenger with a 420a in high school. First car I ever turbocharged. Was completely stock for the most part other then map spacer, fuel pump, and the usual. But I ran that thing hard for 3 years before I sold it and never had any issues. She loved boost.

[@matt-be8kt]

@Budget Boost DIY no that wasn't me but I was on that forum a lot. I had a 10.1 fmu and I did the cold start injector that was on a pressure switch. It turned on after 10psi of boost and added more fuel. I made a dual in tank pump setup, I used two pumps from a gst. I miss that car. I hear now all the srt4 guys are running 420a heads on there 2.4.

[@karenashcraft8812]

@Budget Boost DIY Yeah im DSM-ZERO. ive actually been trying to sell the car

[@CharmleysChopShop]

I know a lot of people would love to see how far you can take a b series with CSS block (cylinder support system) and simple valve spring upgrades. A big bang 4 cylinder. I can almost guarantee you'd see 1000+hp with a css block pistons/rods and valve spring upgrade.

[@fabricobblegarage9545]

This is cool. love the variety!

[@laurean5998]

I would love to see a bmw m50 or m52. Or maybe some random less tuneable underdog engine...

[@burtonporter8437]

M54b30 would be wild

[@nolanlavoie]

Love the content keep it coming!

[@manitoublack]

Great test. Given how cheap the insurance is for forged rods and pistons are these days. If you're pulling a honda motor apart to increase ring gap. You'd be well advised to get a 0.5mm overbore, forged pistons and rods. Money well spent. Also for context, Given the fuel and intercooling used, it's not really preresentitive of what can be achieved with a street driven car. No-one is goinv to be running around daily on Leaded 118MON fuel. So the timing on a street motor will be significantly less, with a corresponding reduction in power produced. Also these tests are rather short short (5-6 seconds.) When loaded for long periods of time (say circuit racing,) fatigue can and does set in on weaker rods (that might happily survive a couple of dyno pulls.) MCM found this out the hard way on their 4G64 2.4L with far less power. It was fine on the dyno, and fine for a little while on the track, but eventually a rod said enough, is enough and bent. Still and interesting test, to determine the limits.

[@richardholdener1727]

this motor can easily be driven around on E85-dyno tests run 300 rpm/sec (easy math)

[@xbseries7443]

Turbonetics size is best for a street car. Powerband is balanced thanks

[@copperkeyracing6167]

You had about 100hp left in it, which is where I've taken the B16A2. It holds very well. I would say you need a better tuning system to begin with, a Hondata S300, not an S200/S100, those are very very old systems... maybe 20years or more. It is completely not uncommon to make 450whp/500crankHP, all you have to do is google it and you'll find plenty. the LS can make 400whp/450crankHP, and LS-VTEC also hits 450whp/500crankHP. The block you have to worry about is the B20, which is good to 300whp/350crankHP, and B20VTEC 350whp/400crankHP. Push it past all those numbers I mention, another 5-10%, and it won't last long. So, essentially, your bad tuning turned your B16 into a sad lowly B20-vtec motor. :( :( :( Lastly, I would NEVER open up a motor and not replace the pistons and rods, at the same time as the ring gap and headstuds... which is another thing. The headstuds can be reused once from the Honda Factory, per the Honda Service Manual. If you are changing pistons and rods to forged, then why not, throw in the better head studs, since as a package, you can now go way more boost/power. In the beginning of the video 3:45 you claimed you were going to simply change the ring gap, and not touch anything else, but then you didn't do that. I would have loved to find out if you can truly stick with the stock pistons and rods and make more power than is typical... but after seeing your tuning system, i lost hope anyway. whp=hp measured at the wheels, when a car is put on a chassis dyno crankHP=hp measured at the crank, when the engine is put on an engine dyno, as was claimed to have been used in this video.

[@richardholdener1727]

if only i knew something about Hondas

[@hoost3056]

Would you do a 100psi boost test? Methanol, prepped stock bottom end, ring gap, custom cam...all on a Chevy 350 Vortec! Enough turbo and fuel to split whatever in half👍

[@richardholdener1727]

it won't take 100 psi

[@hoost3056]

@@richardholdener1727 C'mon Rich......by your own admission about what the internet has said about what will work or not on an engine, how ya gonna know? Let's be honest, nobody has thrown that kind of boost at anything less than a tractor pull diesel or an all out, small displacement, purpose built import drag engine. But the fact remains that above 20-30 psi boost, most folks never think of going beyond that. 100 pounds of boost is absurd and impractical, but it is an adventure! And methanol can cool things down enough to make things happen.

[@hoost3056]

@@dj4monie C'mon man, the easiest way to get that kind of boost is to do the math. There are formulas on Garrett Turbo's site to make the calculations. Most of the big players in the racing world run well above 4 bar ( roughly 60 psi ) all the time, with guys like Boostin Performance putting 80 psi through their Mitsubishi ( single turbo, methanol ). It can be done. It's all math and money. The 100# test is only for dyno purposes..you'd have to have a proper chassis to hook that power potential. If you take a 350hp Vortec, which is at atmospheric pressure, and add 1 bar of boost ( 14.7 psi ) theoretically you can double the power if the matching volume of fuel is there. Now add 6.5 bar worth of boost, with the air volume, fuel volume and air temperature control, you should have 6.5 times the power. It can be done. Will it survive? Doubt it, but it would be fun to watch.

[@luisquiles3798]

First time watching your video, i found it very knowledgeable! Thanks!..

[@banelegacy2160]

You the best man... great advice and testing

[@whyOyouTEEuBEEe]

You guys are awesome and have a lot of really really good info others don’t share in this video👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 I would like to see the actual pulls with split screen of the info so we can see the blow by at higher rpm ect ect. But I love the video

[@danielweinbaum]

LOVE HONDAS ! I WANT TO SEE A FULLY BUILT TO THE HILT STROKED K24A2 WITH A TURBO ! I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT YOU COULD MAX OUT WITHOUT A TURBO !!!

[@CarMad97ci]

check out @boostedbois

[@dingomanz7]

Around 320whp

[@h3xd3m0n9]

500 HP is what the drag guys run

[@shawnc757]

Got me wanting to boost a 3800 series 1. Loved the old 11th gen 98 regency. Would be a pure sleeper

[@nathanlevander1867]

Should get some SOHC Hond tests going aswell ! Keep the good content coming !

[@alexmann3309]

Would love to see this done with modern setup, I’m a dyno tuner, and I’ve gone well into the 400fwhp range on dead stock B16’s without any drama at all. Shops locally have gone 500fwhp standard engines totally untouched at north of 20psi. On E85 with GTX3076 turbo’s generally! Would be interested to see a modern redo.

[@richardholdener1727]

500 whp on a stock B16A requires over 30 psi-I would like to see an untouched B16A do that

[@alexmann3309]

Richard Holdener considering with a GTX3076 they’ll go 350fwhp on 11-12psi on E85. I’d doubt very much that it would require into the 30psi range to do 500whp. Just be interested to see a redo with modern parts.

[@dielauwen]

Honda always built the engines for sustained high output. Honda tech school had the guys build a 1200 and run it at max rpm for an hour. If it blew up you didn't do it right. Now find the right rod bearings when you have different bearing shell inner diameters and different outer diameters. VERY precise bearing clearances and crush. Now in Typical Japanese tradition do it fast and sweat as you do it.

[@richardholdener1727]

I wold like to see a Honda B Series that could run at 1200 hp for 1 hour straight-heck just a B series that makes 1200 hp

[@johnparrish9215]

I've always wondered about those Mazda Rotary engines how much can they take.

[@wendellgreenidge3362]

John Parrish that is the ultimate question Mr.Parrish...

[@RadDadisRad]

Depends on the apex seals. 1mm are super low friction super thin seals and push out easily. 2mm came standard on the turbo motor and 3mm is the standard now for any rebuild because they don’t cost anymore than 2mm and the larger shoulder keeps it Square with the face of the combustion chamber.

[@michaelrodgers6559]

It's all a matter of eccentric shaft flex, and the torsional rigidty of the keg. Shaft flex means the rotors are going to hit the housings and kill them. You can either clearance the rotors, or get the eccentric shaft kit that includes an additional shaft bearing in the center plate (13b). As far as rigidity of the keg, you can dowel it, stud it, etc. Modern metallurgy being what it is, the main concerns are no longer apex seals.

[@connoisseuroftigolbitts]

I think you guys are on the wrong channel, check out Angel Motorsports channel. Rotary God Brothers.

[@jacobwebb8818]

@@michaelrodgers6559 doweling and bolts are gonna help more than getting a stronger more balanced eccentric shaft. Unfortunately S5 engines are very prone to snapping the corners because of the torsion when you are pushing big power however REW's are a lot better than this but still not perfecf

[@ZRemsen]

Excellent test! I was wondering if you’re using any specific type of knock monitoring system on these engines. I’ve done some of my own dyno testing, pushing bone stock Honda engines (B18 non Vtec) into the 20+psi territory on several different turbos, all on 93 octane fuel. I know better fuel will make more power and less likely to detonate, but wanted to push the limits of standard pump gas and see what I could get away with. Also, how much ignition timing were you running on the last run of 17psi on the 57mm?

[@richardholdener1727]

22-no knock sensors

[@tiemze]

According to honda-tech, b series blocks can take around 400 to high 400's safely before cracking a sleeve. Results are varied. But that is the general safe long term limit until you have to think about upgrading the sleeves. Yes people have made more but at that point its a ticking time bomb. Stock cast pistons cannot handle detonation and will shatter. Ask me how I know LOL. Forged pistons are softer so they can handle detonation without breaking. Similar to standard vs impact sockets. On 93 with stock pistons you should stay around low 300. That's what I'm making now 320 whp stock b18a bottom. With forged pistons the limit is still around 450 cause now the weak link is the sleeves. So you can do a few things such as cement block filler which would compromise the cooling and is for only drag i believe. Devcon which is similar but i think has better cooling there's some youtube videos out there. Then next in price is CSS. This uses the stock sleeves and a perfectly fitted block guard. It is rated up to 700 whp and there's also a high hp version that is 800 whp. I've seen 900 whp css vids here. Then the best is sleeves but also the most expensive. Also Dart blocks are very good but banned in some drag racing leagues. So basically it comes down to the open deck making the sleeves weak. It allows the sleeves to move which eventually cracks it. They always crack at cylinder 3. Also at high boost you will need arp head studs because the oem bolts will not be able to hold the head down so it will lift. open deck - weakest, best cooling cause surrounded by water, cheapest to manufacture semi closed - now the walls have some support. lots of turbo motors built this way i believe fully closed -best. this is the reason the Supra 2JZ is such a strong motor stock. Because it comes with a FULLY closed iron deck. That thing is built like a tank. www.enginelabs.com/news/supporting-your-cylinders-open-semi-closed-or-closed-deck/ So once you understand the limitations of deck types, fuel, pistons, rods then you can see the power limits. Most people get H beam eagle rods which can handle 900 hp with ARP 2000's. Be careful with imitation h beams with weak rod bolts. Some can only handle 400 whp. There are many rod bolt options. Ok I think I wrote too much. Imma head out lol

[@0JThomps0]

Can we get some EJ action someday?

[@alitoroganan2442]

you know how thats gonna end 😂

[@0JThomps0]

@@alitoroganan2442, probably head gasket failure but contrary to popular belief there's only a few years of EJ that have given that nasty reputation. It would be impressive to see a 2L or 2.5L put down 400+ hp on the dyno.

[@alitoroganan2442]

@@0JThomps0 yep can be done on e85 for reliability but god knows whats gonna happened if its abused not like hondas

[@briankoch7041]

I was curious why you chose a "medium" size compressor and a .63 hot size. The 57mm 3076r was always the 400hp pump gas turbo i used ten years ago. Maybe try a modern billet 67mm to 70mm wheel in an anti-surge housing with a hot side around .9-1.0 a/r? Maybe gap it at 22mm top and 24mm second? I wouldn't be surprised to see 700hp.

[@RadDadisRad]

Even with a good tune you can run high cylinder pressures and bend rods, crack pistons and rings.

[@richardholdener1727]

hurting parts with just cylinder pressure happens at a very high power level-not at 400 hp

[@brandong6766]

The only problem with a lab dyno vs real world is there is no resistance on the engine, no load, such as the weight of the car, on flat ground or going up hill. My tuner said dont try to pull up hills in 4th or 5th gear because u add alot of resistance/work to the engine. This causes more pressure needed and more heat generated.. my stock b16a has a 57 trim and dynoed on rollers to 278whp. On 9lbs of boost. 190lbs of torque. But he did say heat is your biggest enemy. If building boost only go full petal, to keep it rich enough to avoid the heat... but yea this little 1.6 pulls very hard now. It sounds amazing too it spools loud and has flutter and a bov... its fucking sweet lol

[@albertraymond2476]

Like to see some numbers on pump gas good video

[@Zchef85]

I would like to add there is a different type of big bang engine. It's when you take an even numbered cylinder engine and fire the companion cylinders togther, like a 4 cylinder that fires like a big twin.

[@Zchef85]

@@dj4monie there are 2 cylinder cars

[@Zchef85]

@@dj4monie also this is an engine channel more than anything else.

[@Zchef85]

@@dj4monie why deny an opportunity to learn something new about engines in general. Also Harley's are odd fire.

[@williammiddleton1791]

Love this video thank you!!

[@MyLonewolf25]

I wouldn’t call this a Big Bang as it got killed by ring gap which is different to previous big bangs that were gaped better

[@kens8903]

Can you do the k series next? Also would it be possible to get you hands on a barra?

[@GIGABACHI]

B A R R A ! 👌🏻😈🤘🏻

[@kennethpowers8995]

For reference sir My stock K20a2 has made 660-680whp for about 2 years now with no issues yet lol. Just an oil pump and some ARP hardware. It sees 34-35psi in 5th and 6th gear.

[@richardholdener1727]

I wrote a book on K series-they work very well

[@kennethpowers8995]

@@richardholdener1727 Definitely going to check that out; I didn't know that. I'm building my first all motor K right now during Quarantine lol. 89×99 with stock crank, should be ~13.5:1 with a 4Piston 156 head. I think the next mod will be to jump on Amazon and grab your book!

[@sparvar1776]

@@richardholdener1727 time to big bang a k series!!

[@B70Valkyrie]

I'd love to see a big bang SR20DE - very cheap and plentiful in FWD Nissans, and there seems to be a lot of different opinions on what fails first under boost on unopened motors. Some swear the rods fail at as little as 300hp, others run motors with the same rods out to 400+ without apparent issue.

[@richardholdener1727]

I love the OG SERs and the SR20 is a great little motor

[@GimmeDaBacon]

I want to see it again with a FREAKING SEND IT BRO all stock max boost

[@og23457]

Love all your content especially the Import stuff wish you could do some more modern series stuff!

[@richardholdener1727]

the modern stuff is hard to find in junkyards-and expensive

[@melvingrimes7886]

You just explained boosting 101.

[@morganjames7002]

Broke 50k subs! Keep on killing it!!

[@richardholdener1727]

Thnx-its time for a giveaway

[@BackinHaction]

Have you big banged a small block Mopar yet? 360 would be great! I've heard you can get 8 lbs before heads lift

[@richardholdener1727]

not yet

[@BackinHaction]

@@richardholdener1727 can't wait! I have a 360 with a 60mm turbo but I'm afraid to push it much harder

[@rotorpsi9873]

I have k24a1 with eBay gt3076 /0.82 rear and 98 octane in Aus , 20psi , 11.4deg timing and no knock showing in any logs .rev limit 7100rpm. 10.8-11.1afr. Engine broke the piston at the gudgeon after a few months . Sump had the rod, bits of piston, gudgeon pin and lower oil control rings all in the sump . I assume the failure was lack of piston strength and everything else was there to ensure it lived. I can’t see anything else contributing to my failure ? Thoughts ? Do a k24a1 Richard . Great channel by the way👍

[@jasonflaty]

Please please please do a LT motor from 93-97 f-body cars. Be really interesting to see what kind of power these would support on some boost.

[@tundra2000boy]

Love these test, I know it cost a lot of money but maybe down the road you could do a test like this where you test the limits of stock engines that people comment you could test? My test for you would be the toyota 2uz 4.7L, they have weaker rods than the early 1uz but always wanted to see if its the engine fault or the people attempting to tune it.

[@richardholdener1727]

part of the problem is we don't have a way to mount many of those on the dyno

[@joshuahawkins2548]

The rumor i had heard was only that the sleeves were the weakest point. Up to 500hp. I cannot speak for stock internals as my engine is fully built but i do run stock sleeves at about 17-20lbs. I have had no issues, but in the back of my mind i always have that thought to be safe and stay where im at (512whp)

[@michaelrodgers6559]

How about a video going into detail on the sizing of compound turbo setups? Get a number of options for both the primary and secondary turbos and really get into the details.

[@richardholdener1727]

The LS compound was just a gee wiz exercise. Given the potential with single or twins, There is no reason 99% of LS motors out there need compound turbos. Excellent idea for diesel applications

[@michaelrodgers6559]

@@richardholdener1727 You've done LS/V8 stuff to death, and you're right. They don't warrant a serious dive into compound turbos as much as a smaller cube engine. However, the engine isn't the point of my request. I want to see real world results of compound turbo combinations on the same engine, whatever that engine may be. I wanna see a 2 or 3 liter engine make low to moderate boost just above idle, and carry that all the way to at least its factory redline. Or maybe that's just not feasible? It would depend on the turbo sizing, wastegate strategy, etc. I bet you could do it, and she'd a lot of light on what it actually takes to make a good compound setup. Maybe you want to go nuts and make all the power up top but still have nearly NA response... let's see the possibilities here.

[@1-Six-dee]

U need to do a 2.4 liter fill the water jackets those motors take some boost with springs retainers and head studs I think the hp to money ratio and simplicity is the. Best budget bang that would be a great series budget bang hp per dollar and simplicity

[@newklear2k]

Do you think that this is possibly part of what has contributed to the perception that Subaru EJ pistons are weak? Given that very few people in that scene open their motor to add gap when turning up the wick…