Big Bore Battle - .45 ACP+P VS .44 Magnum

Testing some Hornady Custom ammunition in .45 ACP+P and .44 Magnum. The .45 ACP+P is a 230 gr XTP and the .44 Magnum is a 240 gr XTP. I do a 10% Clear Ballistics Test! Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...

[@GunSam]

To make a note, I filmed this video 4 weeks ago before I fixed my Glock. You can see some of the weird issues it had in this video. If you missed the video on my Glock fix, here's what I did to fix my Glock: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHi0aHmJorSYi9E

[@bdwillis8284]

Good morning Sam, glad I read this. I was bummed out for a moment. Lol

[@toolmakerbest1584]

@@bdwillis8284 Me too!

[@guardianminifarm8005]

I am one of the hunters that really like the XTP for deer. We have been very successful and pleased with results in 44 magnum using 240 XTP in revolvers and rifles. Our range has been from 20 yards to 120+ with very good success.

[@locomike102]

For sure! The 240g XTP at 1250ish fps is a very proven deer stopper.

[@ironmikehallowween]

A hot 45 ACP is basically a 44 Special. So, basically great! Thanks for the video.

[@rokkinjohann]

Yep! And to that point competitive pistol experience on assorted falling plates, pepper poppers, etc my 44M loaded down to pushing 200gr LSWCs about 1000fps knocked steel down as well as any 45acp (and could be heated up past 1200fps).

[@mkshffr4936]

The nice thing about the 44 is you can use heavy mag bear loads when appropriate or specials or even Russians for softer targets. Flexible like a ballerina.

[@GunSam]

From what I understand, .44 Russian was no less of a round than .44 Special, but the name 'Russian' had to go, so S&W made the case longer with more powder capacity ability, that wasn't even utilized in it's day.

[@joelclark2130]

The xtp bullet is absolutely awesome. On deer, ask the last four that I've shot. If it will stop a deer it will stop a bad guy!

[@dangerman007]

The + P did really well! Good alternative to the legendary .44 mag!

[@BTeehanKnives]

45 ACP is definitely a good round, as well as 44 mag. I prefer the .357 magnum above all, probably my favorite handgun cartridge.

[@nokoolaid]

Harold Francis Callahan would approve.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Good video. Always interesting to see you shoot some the heavier rounds. Thanks for sharing and take care.

[@abelincoln95]

What you speak is so true. People don't understand until they have those pistols in their hands. AND like any firearm, it only improves after many rounds of practice.

[@876mpr]

Bet that last chrono shot with the.44 magnum jumped crimp. Heavy recoil, light gun. Definitely happens.

[@rangetime6779]

Good test, as you said typical XTP performance.

[@faryldaryl3975]

"Barrier blind", good expansion and decent penetration. Both are winners; I already use this .45 load in my G21, good to see another test showing it's performance. (Just because I know somebody's going to bring it up, >18" isn't "overpenetration". In the F.B.I.'s own words, it's the upper limit of the minimum desired range. The famous report stated that more penetration is better than less, and the only reason they stopped measuring at 18" is because that's how long the jello blocks were. If one is going to accept the F.B.I. tests, then you can't say that >18" is undesirable. I believe GS_RA has said that in this type of gelatin, bullets penetrate ~twice as much as in flesh. I want a big hole in, and a big hole out. By the time a bullet deforms, and if it gets through the desired target, it's not going to be fast enough to be very dangerous, especially compared to any that miss. If a beefy target were sideways and the bullet had to go through the arm before hitting the side of the chest - a la Miami - even this .44 Mag load probably wouldn't exit the target. )

[@Fudmottin]

I actually liked how both of those performed. Between the two, I would be carrying the 44 Magnum. But my 44 only holds six. With bad guys beginning to attack in large numbers, the ability to line up a shot and shoot two of them with one bullet seems pretty good to me. Also exit wounds are generally worse than entrance wounds.

[@ariesmight6978]

.50 AE can accomplish the same thing. Maybe even better, with either the. .44 magnum or the .50 AE. Heavy clothing, doors, maybe even meth, all combined. Are not going to hinder either round. From killing the bad guy.

[@mkshffr4936]

Carry one on each side to balance the weight.😊

[@Fudmottin]

@@mkshffr4936 What? And then sink to the center of the earth because of all that mass in one spot?

[@mkshffr4936]

@@Fudmottin Compared my mass that is trivial. 🤣🤣

[@Fudmottin]

@@mkshffr4936 Ha ha!

[@chrisgabbert658]

👍😊 I generally carry a 45 but in the winter 44 🤷‍♂️ .

[@TheRealZJE313]

That's right. But my 44 is in the Desert Eagle so switch between my 1911 GI MODEL and the Desert Eagle for CCW

[@chrisgabbert658]

@@TheRealZJE313 Gi 45 and super Blackhawk 4 5/8 barrel.

[@bsmithhammer]

No contest - full power .44 Magnum absolutely smokes .45+P (and .45 Super, for that matter), hands down. .45 ACP was developed for bipedal enemies, .44 Mag was developed for that, and just about everything else.

[@64samsky]

The 45 ACP is still very relevant after all these years, but the 44 Magnum is just plain bad azz!

[@garyelliott2670]

38 spl. Is my favorite Carry round, I don't think I've ever seen an xtp bullet expand in this caliber!

[@GunSam]

I have in hot +P. It's just not impressive looking and struggles to achieve .50" expansion.

[@erichanson7293]

I've shot them into clear ballistics gel with factory and hand loads from 1.8" up to 6" bbl. I can't remember any expanding either, but none were +p loads. Some tumbled. The 9mm hornady american gunner +p 124 gr do expand fairly reliably, though. Not like the gold standard HST, but they are good enough if that's what your carry gun likes.

[@mkshffr4936]

Lead WC or SWC is the answer. No need for expansion.

[@charlesashworth6805]

Would love to see a side by side of the 44 and 41 mag full power loads

[@GunSam]

I would too, but it's one of those things....like buy a $1,000 gun for the 3 available loads that exist. Not really a good plan for me.

[@CeltKnight]

@@GunSam - I doubt there would be much difference with similar loads. A .410" 210 grain bullet moving at essentially the same velocity range as a .429" 249 grain bullet should do about the same thing. I'd propose that any appreciable difference would be averaged out over many shots (far more than anyone I know can afford to test, LOL). I'm a HUGE .41 magnum fan, but when I had a choice, I went .44 because ammo is much more available, and there are a lot more loads available.

[@jimbob465]

The 41mag is a fuckin mystery Everywhere I turn someone is in love with it. Yet I have never in my life seen a 41 mag revolver or even a box of ammo for sale at a store....

[@CeltKnight]

@@jimbob465 _ Regional, I guess ...??? Here, I've seen man, handled several, and fired two. But so many folks haven't even heard of it, let alone seen one.

[@jimbob465]

@@CeltKnight I've spent my life in Colorado Wyoming and Montana. You'd think I'd see one....

[@SuperSneakySteve]

I agree with your assessment. I only use XTP's in rifles. For self-defense there are better options.

[@boedude8496]

obviously for dangerous 4 legs the heavier is best. but for 2 legs a 180gr (1700-1750fps) is much better, expanding more and penetrating less and easier on the recoil. most anywhere is devastating. that 45 load is quite impressive. has a fair amount of recoil

[@markbotta8567]

Nice video, especially as you don't hear a lot about 45 +p rounds. As you note, way too much penetration for home defense. Good shooting at 75 yards.

[@GunSam]

Thanks. The standard pressure stuff sucks. Most of the +P does too, but these ones seem to really be great. 90% of 230 gr won't expand so it was nice to see.

[@onpsxmember]

@@GunSam So you'd go with 185gr?

[@GunSam]

@@onpsxmember Depends on the goal. Definitely for short barrels as your expansion will never happen with 230 gr, but also they tend to splat and under-penetrate at certain velocities which may or may not be a good thing, but it depends on the intended use.

[@TheRealZJM377]

This is a DAM GOOD video and comparison my two favorite calibers 45 and 44 Magnum. I use both of concealed carry

[@oldtanker4860]

Getting reliable expansion with the old 45 ACP is pretty darn tough for ammo makers. It needs to be up to 1000FPS to get it and if you are using a commander or shorter bbl not likely to have that velocity. One of the reasons I like 9mm better for a defensive round. The 44 is obviously too much penetration as you would expect.

[@vlogfriendsutopia]

Modern 45 ACP ammunition from reputable brands has no problems expanding even at low velocities from short barrels. Federal is always my go to. Only reason the plain gel round didn't expand was because it hit the wire, no fault of the bullet itself.

[@GunSam]

The bullet designs are just not particularly good. Velocity doesn't necessarily cause expansion as I have seen .357 rounds going 1,200 FPS with a bad design not expand, and a heavier bullet at 750 FPS get good expansion. It's all about the energy pushing against the design. A nice short barrel bullet 230 gr Gold Dot could very well expand at sub 800 FPS.

[@williammcclelland6789]

The reason that I carry a .45 acp is that even though I know it may not expand, I will never have to worry about it shrinking.

[@mkshffr4936]

Using a truncated cone or RFN would probably be a more consistent approach.

[@ludecom-cz1wz]

Cool that you leave the malfunctions in.

[@northshores7319]

After you mentioned that the last shot fired from the 44 Magnum was lower than the rest it came to my mind that mayhap the one bullet that failed to reach the heart of a thug in the FBI's Miami shootout in 86 had a lower velocity also which is why it failed. Kinda silly that the FBI decided to search for a better caliber based on the results of just one shot. You are doing a much needed public service in demonstrating the differences twixt calibers. Keep it up.

[@GunSam]

I suppose it's an interesting thought. We will never really know.

[@faryldaryl3975]

The F.B.I. needed a scapegoat for their tactical, public & embarrassing failure, so they decided it was the ammo's fault. There was only one handload in the following tests, the light 10mm that mimicked existing .45 ACP performance, and whadaya know that's the one they picked. They couldn't admit that the solution was already out there, so they had to invent something new.

[@northshores7319]

@@faryldaryl3975 Many Gov't organizations never admit to error in any way. They did that then and keep on doing it today because they fear for losing their jobs and have no interest in the Truth.

[@ratagris21]

Great testing Sam! Either one will do the job. Thanks for all you do!🎩♠️🎱🎯🇺🇲🇺🇦🌻🌼🌸💮

[@davidlee8551]

I like your metrics. Good work !

[@DILLIGAF88]

I love my 45 but it just doesn’t compare to a 44 mag. The 44 mag is a beast of a round. I would like to see the 44mag compared to the 10mm

[@lawrencemartinjr6888]

Nice video, great work! Thanks

[@libertarian1637]

Unfortunately factory ammo isn’t the best ballistic performance you can get out of cartridges; you can defiantly load ammo to a more consistent and maximized performance than factory loads, which just tend to run light especially on some calibers. I like 10mm myself and find very few factory ammo that compares to loaded ammunition as most all factory loads are loaded light, closer to 40 S&W than the performance boast 10mm truly offers. I also like hard cast bullets when hunting or acting defensively against wildlife, over personal threats. Also like velocity over weight when it comes to personal defensive loads. Revolvers have one big benefit to autos, and that comes from a weak primer strike, while some autos allow rapid restrike, like the HK 2000 series, Glocks don’t and mean you have to rack a new round in; revolvers for better or worse with simply cycle around with a soft primer strike allowing discharge of the next round, hopefully it was a soft strike and not a hung primer as the round could simply discharge once it’s out of battery.

[@NC-xk1eg]

I enjoyed & appreciated this comparison, thank you. However I have to wonder how much power & velocity the .44 revolver loses in the cylinder to barrel gap verses none for a pistol. IMO: This in itself gives a pistol a slight edge over a revolver.

[@mkshffr4936]

Not much unless there is excessively large gap or poor timing. The tests I have seen had the percentage in the single digits.

[@richki.24]

Looks like that Glock is a Perfect Lemon ...

[@podunkmissouri4999]

I have a glock 41. And it's for sale 😆

[@aarongreenfield9038]

I was wondering if you can do 357 magnum, versus + p 38 special. And it can be done in the same gun for more accurate results.

[@GunSam]

Interesting simple thought. I have gotten so tied up in minutia that I forget some people, especially people relatively new to guns might want to see the difference between .38, .38+P and .357 Mag, and i'm the guy to do it right. Old days on youtube you had people doing stuff like that but with +P ammo basically 5% more powerful than standard pressure, and that's not the way to do it. Done right you got 200 FPE for .38, maybe 300-350 FPE for +P and 600+ for .357 Mag.

[@mkshffr4936]

I think he has done one. At least my quirky memory has it that way.

[@aarongreenfield9038]

@@mkshffr4936 Yes he did, a few days after I made the suggestion.

[@mkshffr4936]

@@aarongreenfield9038 Cool. I thought I had just seen one.

[@williammcclelland6789]

Great video Sam. Have you ever tested a .45 acp revolver vs a semi auto at the +P levels? I would be curious to hear your thoughts on which platform you felt performed better.

[@GunSam]

Thanks. Not quite. I have ran some .45 ACP+P in my S&W Governor, but they do lose velocity in it. As far as a regular .45 ACP revolver, it's not really going to lose any velocity so terminal ballistics would be about the same. If I had to pick between a semi auto and revolver in .45 ACP, lets say a 1911 or Glock VS a S&W 625, personally i'm going with a revolver because .45 ACP+P has some recoil, and enough recoil to possibly cause "limp wrist" jams. If it were regular .45 ball ammo I could go either way on platform, but mentioning +P i'm definitely going with a revolver to keep reliability.

[@williammcclelland6789]

@@GunSam Thank you for the response. I appreciate your insights. Your points are well thought out. I would still like to see a video on the subject. I have been thinking about a .45 acp revolver for quite a while now and your comments make me think that I am on the right track.

[@mkshffr4936]

If you get a revolver you can use the real Colt cartridges. 😊😇

[@DanTheWolfman]

Man I wish you would have yelled "PERFECTION!" Everytime glock malfed or dropped mag.... ( I think I'd like the 40/41 better than 20/21...like I've kinda wanted a 41)

[@GunSam]

It's the only Glock-teen eleven. About a 5" thin slide and comes with optional beaver tail grip ends.

[@DanTheWolfman]

@@GunSam do u think urs would have worked when new with new mags? Maybe just not with plus p....strange...too bad long polygonal barrel some plus p should move at good fps

[@triciahill216]

Which one would you suggest for self protection from a bull? My husband and I move bulls from pasture to pasture and have one bull who has a bit of an attitude. We’re thinking we might start carrying when we handle him.

[@GunSam]

I am no animal expert. I don't think many handguns would put down a bull without a head shot. In the real world it's more about bullet design, how hot the cartridge is loaded and shot placement more than caliber. I have seen a video of a man putting down a moose that charged him with a 10mm or .40 caliber Glock. If it were me I would probably choose something like .40 S&W with full metal jacket ammo, as out of the box the .40 S&W has flat nose bullets that penetrate better than rounded nose .45 ACP, and the .40 S&W also does not recoil much so multiple shots and unlikelihood of malfunction would be a good thing. A .44 Mag would probably work, but I don't think you need that much gun for something like that. If it were me personally, I might try pepper spray first.

[@ElrikkArgentDawn]

Love this channel…very scientific

[@garrettschienschang7898]

I’m going to try this exact same ammunition and Revolver combination for deer this winter. if I get the opportunity to take one I’ll let you know how it goes

[@fiscidtox]

44 is fun to shoot a couple times but exhausting and entirely too much kick. I feel like the 45 ACP desert eagle was the best middle ground between the Colt and the 9mm that I fired more often

[@rokkinjohann]

For handloaders the 44Mag is a dream to shoot. My wife loves lead roundballs (~120gr) at about 600fps, different weights n velocities up past 300gr cruising about 1200 (brutal recoil). 200s at 1000-1100 is fun yet authoritative for most purposes.

[@piterpraker3399]

It really depends on your platform. A shorty is going to not be as fun, but a full-length clunker like the raging hunter (also ported) is a surprisingly gentle one-hander.

[@artkoinis607]

Always worthwhile. 👍

[@NukeCult666]

You should do one 44 mag vs. 10mm if you haven't already. I'm betting they would be even a closer match.

[@BTeehanKnives]

Oh, and as always, great video.

[@MrBuckeye63]

A Glock 30S ( slimmer slide) seems to handle everything But honestly Im not a 45acp +P guy I really don’t see a need for the extra pressure and noise

[@larryderagowski8273]

When that grizzle is baring down on you, he or she will not wait for gloves, Ditch the Glock

[@bruceliggett8036]

Great video dawg!

[@davidca96]

Ive never liked Hornady bullets, they arent designed to expand enough but it does give them more pen than some. GoldDot bullets are in my personal opinion the best compromise between expansion and pen.

[@GunSam]

Both are okay. I have notice in hand loading, Gold Dots take more powder to get to XTP velocity, I think they deform a tad because of their plating, the short barrel or traditional HP Gold Dots do well, but their deep curl "Gold Dot" isn't any better than XTP.

[@davidca96]

@@GunSam Yea another negative ive noticed with GoldDot's is if you push them too fast they overexpand, but when loaded just right they have one mean diameter and are pretty reliable expanders in my experience(may have been what you were saying).

[@jacobackley502]

that's why I like XTPs. Better hunting round in terms of penetration, cheaper and more common than gold dots for reloading

[@patdaly4107]

How about 45 Long Colt versus 44 Magnum in my opinion The Long Colt beats the 44 Magnum every time but that's just me

[@jacobackley502]

Gotta love the old colt. it'd be extra fun to see it with a full load of blackpowder just to see how deep it'd go

[@GunSam]

They don't compare for the average person with average guns like an old single action army VS a .44 Magnum revolver. Now sure, it's well known that SAAMI is wrong about .45 Colt+P not being a thing, and that any modern double action revolver like a Ruger or S&W in .45 Colt can handle it easily.....but, it's in the realm of Buffalo Bore .38 Special+P at 500 ft lbs energy....same rules VS old guns. Of course you could say that energy don't matter as much when you got a 300 gr .45 bullet, because of momentum and in that respect it beats an average .44 Mag for a given purpose like dropping a deer.

[@mkshffr4936]

A compressed load of Swiss (or whatever they call themselves now) or 777 steps out pretty good with reasonable barrel length.

[@YellowHammer26]

Nice Sam 👍👍

[@baconatordoom]

Your Glock identifies as a Garand.

[@masjut1]

Great video.

[@Brykk]

The dirty harry days of 44 mag for personal defense are long gone for a reason. It may be a great alaskan woods gun, but its a battleship cannon at a squirrel hunt for self defense.

[@mkshffr4936]

But you can literally choose loads appropriate for anything from squirrel to bear.

[@jaredw289]

Sam, have you ever done any testing of any 380 Auto "self defense" ammunition? If so what kind of damage did you see and what ammunition was used? Thanks

[@GunSam]

Most do the same thing, at least in my LCP. Slight nose deformation, okay damage, no expansion buy okay penetration. This is with basic 90 gr +/- JHP ammo like Remington or Win USA. Critical Defense I think expands slightly, but I don't recall. There's not a lot of good choices unless the pistol is bigger.

[@philvogt7671]

44mag. And it ain’t even close.

[@KevinSmith-os5yz]

He is anticipating the shot though, so flinching just a bit. We need him to practice with the airlite 329pd, then he will think his 629 is mild:)

[@constrictorguywilson2071]

Doesn’t look like enough momentum for expansion. Decent bullet tho.

[@ibpositivemostly7437]

Cool video thanks.

[@sstritmatter2158]

For me - .45 acp for 2 legged critters / .44 mag for 4 legged "tough" critters. I would NOT use .45 acp on black bear - the velocity is not enough in my opinion based on performance tests. A bear's chest cavity or skull is MUCH harder to pen than 1/4" MDF and some denim. Also for dangerous animals never use hollow points (saying this for inexperienced viewers) - a solid hard-cast flat nose or jacketed wad cutter 250+ grain in .44 mag would be my suggestion and is what I use. Why? Old woodsman advice that any .40 cal 200 gr going 1,000+ FPS will take any bear in the woods (I would add black bear but grizzly I would want more than that). A .45 acp might do it but wasn't designed for this when it was made. We all have choices - my .02 - good video.

[@SoWavvyy]

Or just shut up and use 10mm for both with ease. .45 is too slow anyways for hollow points to work as they need that velocity. That's why everyone carrys 9mm. it's small but it works and does it job because its not slow like a grandad .45

[@mkshffr4936]

Probably the biggest handicap for the ACP is bullet weight for big critters. 250 grain or better would do better but hard to do in the small case. Underwood extreme might have a good option though. Might be an interesting Gun Sam experiment. 😇

[@jeffreylocke8808]

Momentum is aided by heavy bullets. Momentum aiding deep penetration kills effectively.

[@876mpr]

Yep, muzzle energy is definitely not a measure of killing power.

[@user-mm4je1sb9b]

E=m*c2 ie. velocity is the strongest factor.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

@@user-mm4je1sb9b velocity is lost immediately and is constantly diminishing but weight is constant and RPM’S are still at a high rate to drill the weight deep into vital areas.

[@876mpr]

@@user-mm4je1sb9b The equation is flawed for determining the stopping/killing power of straight walled cases. Mass and diameter are constants, velocity is a continuously diminishing variable. Energy is a measure of force required to move an object over a period of time. A bullet does it’s work in milliseconds. A 180 grain bullet at 1650 fps from a .44 magnum has over 1000 pounds of energy. Great, shoot a large feral hog with it and see what happens.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

Counting the chamber the 45 ACP has just a 4.25 inch barrel just as the revolver cylinder is not considered part of the barrel and the barrel measures 4.25 inch barrel.

[@GunSam]

That's how I usually figure it. Plus it just so happens the guns turn out the carry the same in size.

[@danoneill2846]

@@GunSam I think the Man puts a rod down the barrel to the breech face that is the total for barrel length or else ........ that is the best way no splitting hairs different actions are different deal with it

[@danoneill2846]

@@GunSam BTW Dan Wesson barrels are a true measure

[@GunSam]

@@danoneill2846 What I have done is drop dowel rods to the loaded bullet nose and mark it. Generally lets say a 2" revolver would be exactly the same "barrel travel" as a 3.2" pistol, or a 3" revolver exactly the same as a 4.2" pistol. That is, if we're comparing .357 Mag to 9mm. A .38 Special would be more like a 2" revolver equals a 3.3" pistol, by those methods.

[@danoneill2846]

@@GunSam I think that is as good and reasonable as needed . Each Round is different !!!

[@philipfreeman72]

Good info. Some of those bear guys try short bbl but a 6 inch should be min. in my opinion.

[@GunSam]

I mean, much like 4" was the LE standard for .357 Mag velocity ratings, 6" is the basic .44 Mag standard for velocity ratings. I remember my 6" model 629 was a great shooter. I have some old videos somewhere on here with it lol

[@d.hayward5232]

@@GunSam One of your videos with that 629 inspired me to go get one myself - classic half lug design, its a beauty! Was saddened to hear you had to sell yours, but I agree - sweet shooter indeed.

[@HoratiosPhilosophy]

Good presentation

[@benjaminhenry5762]

Love your tests and videos. Do a test between the .41 and the .44 magnums, please.

[@TheRealZJE313]

That's y my 44 Magnum is in the Desert Eagle I can shoot and do mag dumps al day long

[@GunSam]

I have wanted one for years, sort of. 10 years ago it would have been cooler, could make a ton of ad revenue to make up for it, now days people are like eh..Still cool though. I like the .357 Mag one in Showdown in Little Tokyo.

[@TheRealZJE313]

@@GunSam try to find a used one its a lot cheaper

[@lessingleton8102]

Interesting Thanks

[@tommcqueen3145]

👍

[@kimness7796]

Love my Glock 21 (.45 ACP). Feeds hard cast 200 SWC perfectly. Holds 13+1.. Try 200 gr XTP +Ps?

[@exothermal.sprocket]

The 37.4oz weight of that Model 69 isn't that conducive for actual thumpers in .44mag. Great revolver otherwise. What doesn't much occur to keyboard warriors and mall ninjas is the fact that unless you're throwing 2,200 fps rifle bullets at a distance, most all handgun bullets rely on 2 things to stop the life of a criminal or beast, that being penetration through vitals (appropriate momentum at terminal range), and hemorrhaging. Below 2,200 fps, all the talk of "big power" is really just emotional impression. Get enough penetration for vitals and tear up tissue, that's what does it. If the "big and slow" .452 bullet does those things, who cares about the perception of slow. It's still faster than any animal or human can get out of the way from. IV8888 did a test years ago with standard 45acp ball. At 440 yards from a carbine barrel, the thing still penetrated 2.25" of pine board. Cleanly.

[@mkshffr4936]

That is why IMO bullet design is the paramount parameter.

[@dragonusmc0311]

Interesting malfunctions today :)

[@robertmosher7418]

You do great work and it shows as you now have 120 comments. I wonder about the 45 acp for bears and if it could be effective against a bear. However, with the 44 magnum having more mass in the rounds and still have 300 fps more which would equate to a couple hundred or so ft pounds, which is significant. Can you do a video on the 460 Rowland round as there is a lot of traffic on how that is more effective than the 10mm.

[@GunSam]

I'm doing some.45 Super soon. The .460 Rowland is more of a specialty that takes major modifications. As for .45 ACP on bears, while I'm not an expert, I do know an Underwood 255 gr hard cast is going to penetrate deep and have energy rivaling .357 Magnum. That says to me it will work.

[@Wildwestwrangler]

Read the ammoland article on pistol use for defense against bears

[@jaybot7813]

Wow!! Cool

[@philvogt7671]

You should do a 10mm vs 357mag!

[@daleweller5193]

I would have picked anything but Hornady for ammunition.

[@Narsuitus]

How does the 45 Super compare to the 45 +P ?

[@GunSam]

5" barrel, a .45 Super in 230 gr goes about 200 FPS faster than a .45+P 230 gr. So .45 ACP is like 800 FPS, a +P 900 FPS, a Super 1,100 FPS.

[@mkshffr4936]

I'll take a 44 or a long Colt. Wheelies forever. 😇

[@frankgrillo8094]

Think .45 SMC

[@danoneill2846]

bear bullets

[@imeprezime1285]

These heavy bullets can kill even when fired at 45° departure angle when they return to ground

[@GunSam]

I had made that point to Mythbusters in the past, like 15 years ago I emailed them. I was like why you doing the bullets fired up with only 115 gr 9mm? Obvious that a 230 gr at terminal velocity would be twice as powerful.

[@imeprezime1285]

@@GunSam At Yuma proving grounds, they tested 45 ACP 230 FMJ fired at such angle. It had about 50 fpe when hit the ground 1 mile away. Now, imagine 44 Magnum bullet (that wasn't tested 'cause it wasn't a military round)😊

[@LogisticallyMisrepresented]

45 smacked. 44 smacked it hard.

[@blueeyephil]

How about a 44 Spl vs 45 ACP standard loads.

[@stevebruening893]

Well.. the .44 didn't malfunction

[@redjoker8640]

I wish 45 ACP had stock velocities of the 44 magnum. +1500 fps. 45 Win Mag is too obscure.

[@GunSam]

Actually, .45 Super is somewhat close to what you are asking for (same dimensions as .45 ACP but strengthened case at a .45 ACP+P++ level), and a Glock, M&P, H&K stock .45 ACP pistol will shoot them fine with no modifications, however I did go up to a KKM barrel in my Glock when I run .45 Super to be extra sure I have full case support. With 185 gr Buffalo Bore I get 1,320 FPS and 716 ft lbs energy.

[@shooter-vx7xy]

Should do 45 Colt +p vs 44 Mag.

[@mkshffr4936]

SAMMI Colt loads are dandy for two legged predators and pretty darn good for four legged ones with 250-300 Grain hard cast SWCs.

[@mattbrown5511]

I pity the innocent bystander behind your intended target.

[@DanTheWolfman]

And yet never a single documented civilian case as ever happening (bad guy through into badguy 2 in dogpile on old man did happen though ha). And yes I remember u jumping on me and I doubt ur my old ufc friend...

[@mattbrown5511]

@@DanTheWolfman What? Please bring a coherent statement next time.

[@DanTheWolfman]

@@mattbrown5511 Over penetration is a myth in civilian dgu and you arer a smuck for jumping on my comment in an earlier video without realizing I've donated a good amount of ammo.

[@mattbrown5511]

@@DanTheWolfman OK, and your point is what? By the way, there are many spell check software programs for one to use if the stock one from Microsoft is insufficient for you. Have a nice day.

[@mkshffr4936]

I tend to think over penetration is over emphasized. A lot of velocity is lost transiting a human body. Sometimes perfect penetration is not adequate in less than perfect situations.

[@ariesmight6978]

Next video .410 vs 10mm.

[@jturner5227]

44 special vs 45 ACP would have been fairer. The 44 was too much power over the 45.

[@GunSam]

it's not a contest. Plus Hornady .44 Special is like 300 ft lbs.

[@brianmoore1164]

I would agree that the XTP makes a better hunting bullet than for defense. That increased penetration would definitely be a good thing when you consider that hunting shots are going to be at longer ranges. Impact velocity will be lower, energy will be lower, likelihood of good expansion lower, etc. I am not overly impressed with any of the defensive options Hornady makes currently, but it does make them good choices for hunting.

[@mkshffr4936]

Gotta check whether he has done a 357 XTP.

[@robertmakowski7808]

Do you happen to have any friends with a G41? I have never heard of any G41, or any Glock for that matter, spitting magazines because the rounds were too hot... If this gun won't run .45 ACP +P there is something wrong with it...

[@robertmakowski7808]

PS...I missed your comment where you fixed the G41...like I said though, there was a defective part somewhere...

[@ryanpoole3447]

45acp vs. 44magnum🤣🤣🤣 not even close 44 magnum is a whole different animal.

[@GunSam]

But, I am working my way up to a point. I have more videos coming where I then run .45 Super VS .44 Magnum. At a certain point, they become more similar than lets say 10mm VS .44 Mag

[@mkshffr4936]

​@@GunSamooop... Time to break out the 454. 😊

[@dawkinss2422]

Dude this should be 44 mag vs 10mm Dude

[@Cj1985_GT]

I dont understand the whole "Denim Test" when it comes to hollow points and gel blocks. It would be better suited for a layer of cotton Hanes T-Shirts because you do NOT aim for the legs in a self defense situation. You aim for center mass. Now if you were interested in practicing leg shots, then add Denim in front of the block. But if you are practicing for center mass, it should be a T Shirt. Leave it to the FBI to confuse the country on ballistics testing. As if they arent doing enough damage already.

[@357magstreet9]

this vid makes me want to trade my 357 for a 44 mag

[@GunSam]

I have 4" L-frames in both .357 and .44. I would keep the .357 if I had to choose only one. A lot more versatile, plus a .357 Maxed out has 800 ft lbs in a 4" barrel. Not much the .44 will do more than that, and the .357 shoots .38's all day

[@357magstreet9]

@@GunSam Had no idea a 357 4" had that much power. i need to buy some hotter loads

[@samwilliams1142]

I would not carry either of these concealed. Too big and overpowered. 45 yes, +P no. 44 magnum for bears yes.

[@GunSam]

The .44 carries pretty nicely though.

[@mkshffr4936]

​@@GunSamAnd shoots specials or Russians. Revolvers are omnivores. 😊

[@damrgee8279]

45 one round to the ground

[@Wildwestwrangler]

Got rid of my glock 41 as it was a picky jammy piece of crap!!! Wouldnt run hornady critical duty 220gr+p at all

[@louv4437]

Send that 45 back to Glock they will fix that right up

[@GunSam]

But there's nothing to be fixed

[@louv4437]

@@GunSam sure is they can repair that

[@GunSam]

It's been fixed, that's why I posted a video about fixing it, but more importantly pinned a comment and a link that this video was filmed before I fixed it.

[@louv4437]

@@GunSam understood I’m surprised

[@petergrant9259]

For a million views.... announce you are going live and with a 5 lb mallet and a vice and you are going to smash that Glock into a thousand pieces. I know it's not mine, but any gun that functions like that one deserves one thing.... destruction..... Ask every viewer to send just $1..... you'll be rich.

[@louv4437]

44 mag going to smoke that 45

[@adonikam1]

EXCELLENT EXCELLENT VIDEO BUT I HOT TWO ISSUES WITH IT. First forget about the STUPID BULLS#!T OVER PENATRATION CRAP!! It doesn't mean anything! Give ne one case of someone being shot with handgun over penatration! Second your gun don't work BECAUSE ITS A GLOCK!!! SORRY I HAD TO VENT.

[@jarin12ga]

I'd rather have more capacity in 45acp!! 44 magnum is way too much for human sized targets!

[@GunSam]

But with .44 Magnum revolvers we must also have to consider it's a revolver capable of firing so many different loads and not relying upon recoil springs. For instance, my .45 ACP Glock here in terms of exterior ballistics go, will only function when the cartridge is about 300 to 550 ft lbs energy. With a .44 Mag I can fire 100 ft lbs powder puff .44 Special loads or 1,000 ft lbs bear loads and they all function the same. Sure capacity is a good thing, but if we got to nit pick - average self defense against people is still 3 shots fired. Considering that and considering a warm .44 Special load is a great choice, I would say both are good options. Don't have to stick with .44 Magnum ammo to use a .44 Magnum revolver.

[@jarin12ga]

@Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ Very true, but that's why I have a different caliber for every occasion, lol.44mag where I live is just crazy, as there's so many houses around me. 44 mag goes through a whole lot of wood before it stops. If I'm scouting the woods hunting, I pack a 357mag or 44mag ruger for bear medicine in Massachusetts and CT. Love the videos, bro😉🤟🤟

[@mkshffr4936]

​@@jarin12gaI wish I could afford a different gun for every occasion. Maybe some day.