Big pay rises for teachers and nurses? Feat. Carole Malone & Marvyn Harrison | Jeremy Vine

[@kevinmurphy2562]

Oh dear, Carole just cannot do maths. 66% of teachers having some time off sick in a year does not mean that there are 66% off sick every day.

[@EarlyRomanKing]

I’m sure if you look at any industry the figures would be similar. It’s just a nonsense from Carole as per

[@smittykoi]

In my line of work I can't afford to be off on SSP Teachers and nurses get full pay for up to 25 days and most of them make sure they take it 🤑

[@markwelch3564]

Carole demonstrates why we need more teachers, so we don't get statistically illiterate people on the telly!

[@williamdew7143]

Even soppybollocks Vine looked askance at that!

[@jb93-o6q]

@@smittykoibecome a teacher then 😂

[@shyhistorian]

Teacher here. Do we think we deserve higher wages? Not quite. But has our workload increased to the point of it becoming untenable, and we can’t attract new teachers into the job, YES.

[@seanwildman5119]

Get a job in the private sector and then come back and talk about workload 😂😂

[@shyhistorian]

@ I have a job in the private sector too- KZbin. I work far less hours and make almost as much as I do working as a full time teacher. Unlike YouTubing, this job is not essential; being a teacher is.

[@seanwildman5119]

@@shyhistorian give up teaching then if you don't like the pay

[@shyhistorian]

@ great solution! Let’s say that to all the teachers- oh wait, we’ll have none left. Your logic (or lack thereof) is embarrassing here.

[@seanwildman5119]

@shyhistorian they won't leave because they get a fair wage and a good pension and would work far harder in most private sector jobs and they know it. Most of the shite they teach the kids is woke lefty nonsense and we as parents have to correct them anyway.

[@bethanybeaird9670]

Just pay carers a better wage they are so unappreciated for the skill they provided.

[@ricardosmythe2548]

Sector thats not protected by a union detected. Request refused

[@dirtytechie]

People like Carole, clearly don't understand the fact that if we don't pay these key workers sufficient salaries they will go elsewhere. Then our economy will faulter and then we will have less people in for the next generation, less nurses/doctors to help people get into work etc. Each part of this equation helps it's self to propel to us to prosperity, yet this Carole lady simply looks at the cheek of these people asking for more and shoots them down. Would love to see her, in a NHS run service asking for such skills/expertise and she her complain then. But I guess we wont see that because she's likely paid enough to pay privately and doesn't want to place a foot into a NHS service.

[@hackneyjazz]

4:30 Julie is spot on - when people like Carole want to demonise celebrities or footballers they reach straight for "doctors and nurses dont get paid that much!". Or during hard times they're treated as angels. Yet whenever doctors and nurses actually ask for more money, we'll hear all the excuses in the world. Suddenly, Carole is OUTRAGED at the suggestion that nurses are more important for us than private retail workers, or the suggestion that any profression is more valuable than any other. Yet she was on this show a few weeks ago melodramtically talking about how farmers are "the lifeblood of our country" and deserve special treament and tax breaks. These people are so disingenuous, and will just say whatever is convenient for them in the moment. The idea that working in the M&S food hall is comparable to a doctor who has studied for years, spent THOUSANDS on that education and literally saves peoples lives is utterly absurd.

[@lewishowell307]

The argument "some don't get pay rises so nurses/teachers shouldn't" makes absolutely no sense

[@hackneyjazz]

@@lewishowell307 It's even worse when they're using private sector jobs as the comparison. Some might call it "the politics of envy"...

[@MeldersJnr]

On talk shows like this I'd like to see a couple of compulsary and neutral FACT CHECKERS sitting off the panel. Seems to me that many 'guests' throw out comments as fact which are really no more than opinions or waffle.

[@KelculesIII]

People don't like Facts though. They just want to fume and be outraged at Lesbian Ham in sandwiches 🥪

[@briankerrison8504]

If they did that..there wouldn’t be any controversy, which brings drama & views = more revenues 🤔👍

[@KelculesIII]

@briankerrison8504 Allowing mis/disinformation across the airwaves to divide people, thus creating social discord, all for views and revenue! Well, I never! It's the hosts jobs to be up to date with facts. The public can call in and spout whatever. That's the funny bit. Straight bananas and all that..

[@MeldersJnr]

@@briankerrison8504 ....or loss of viewers who have the mere hint of intelligence

[@alexdavies7394]

😂😂😂😂 Oh Carole! You've been given a taste of your own medicine! How does it feel to be constantly interrupted during a debate??

[@sheila-we7em]

I liked the way that guy was ignoring Malone when she tried talking over him. She was particularly vile this morning, went into a complete strop

[@alexdavies7394]

@sheila-we7em - I believe Jeremy had to intervene, telling Carole to wait a few moments.

[@anthonylloyd8000]

No mention of the CEOs earning millions on the new GB news .

[@barneyrubble8590]

Lefty alert 😜

[@williamdew7143]

​@@barneyrubble8590From your avatar through to the received 'wisdom' of your protean, one-dimensional tabloid opinions, you tick every box....

[@danpepper2525]

I think what Carol forgets is between 2010 and 2019/20 the ohblic sector had their salaries frozen. The first 10 years of my salary i was capped at 1% rises a year and so by 2020 my salary was worth 20% less and could afford me less than my starting salary.

[@bknight199]

damn that sucks for you. I experienced a similar situation where our salary was capped for 2 years and even then i felt it keenly. 10 years i would be pissed!

[@danpepper2525]

@bknight199 exactly which is why we now need salarys to be even slightly above inflation just to get us back to where we were in 2010. It's really not ideological. Essentially the Government told us all. Take the pain now and we'll set it right but have since destroyed the economy and say it's the reason it can't be set right now.

[@cathyhough8282]

just turn off when carole on

[@coolvidguy08]

Can we petition for Carol Malones wage to go down vile woman

[@markmcbride678]

So they should ...without them the country is fooked

[@DarkCreed]

I'm sorry, but if you work in retail, then you know it's a dead end job. The only reason to stay is for the flexibility.

[@vinupillai5511]

If you dont pay teachers your levels of education goes down. Dont pay the nurses whilst banging on about everyone living longer and then cry no one wants to wipe your ass. Investment in public sector produces societal value, investment in private sector produces burdens.

[@janebufton1960]

No it doesn't. If pay is higher and work conditions easier, tou won't necessarily get teachers who can teach. They will o ly do it for the benefits o k ow aye least of three teachers who don't like teaching, but like the benefits Like the schoo holidays

[@janebufton1960]

Everyone works jolly hard. Cleaners factory workers retailers. Not just teachers. Why do they think they re so special. It's an occupation they choose to go in. It's greed.

[@bradleycostello9077]

If carole had her way no one would get paid and all the money would go to rich pensioners

[@DermotKimmage14]

Comparing retail work to nursing 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ruthhadfield9726]

I don't like how the man spoke about the private sector. I have worked in retail and it's a gruelling job especially around this time of year! it's more acceptable to verbally abuse a retail worker than a nurse. also I want the nursery workers to start getting recognition. those in the pre school room are doing pretty much the same as a reception teacher and sadly they get minimum wage!! this government was crying out for nursery workers yet won't look at pay as a way of retaining them

[@markwelch3564]

Yet the same people arguing against more money for nurses will swear you need to pay the head of Thames Water lots of money to get the best of the best for the job 🙄

[@hannahheywood9439]

I've worked in retail I didn't find it harder than a nurse works. This is a case of if they've got it I want it too🙄

[@ruthhadfield9726]

@hannahheywood9439 not really it's a case we put more value on one job over another. where do you think the doctors would be without the porters or cleaners? where would any working parents be without nursery workers? the bin men went on strike once and that seriously messed the whole system. where would we be without the care home workers who work the long hours who do the hard work on much lower pay. all jobs are important and I value our nurses massively but I think everyone needs to be paid a decent wage.

[@gregadair1546]

I trained for 2 days to be a ham cutter and deserve to be paid the same as a nurse and a teacher.

[@markmcbride678]

@@gregadair1546 🤣🤣🤣👏👏

[@NatYak457]

😂

[@andrewharrison7767]

The care assistant is blaming nurses for governmental failure - In scotland care agency workers are paid the real living wage BY LAW, or their company cannot bid for council contracts. Its £2000 more a year for full time, so blame westminster - not the nhs

[@briankerrison8504]

Join a union retail man 🙄🙄🥴🥴😎

[@Londonlight522]

I don’t know what band she is referring to but, £50k a year in London, less student loan, less tax, less NI, less London Rent. Nurses are mostly working poor, this woman is so out of touch.

[@janebufton1960]

I don't agree. Nurses are on a very high wage. Rubbish. I ve been discharged when my leg was still broken.. nurses or doctors se t me ho.e like this and they want to pay nurse more wages than they ve had already. You can never see a nurse on a ward when you want one. I was in incredible pain and collapsed not a nurse on sight. Another patient fell out out of bed. No nurse on sight to deal with her straight away. Would this have happened in the 50's 60's 70's. NO. PAYING MORE, isn't what's needed. Training properly is, over paid and over qualified isn't necessarily giving skills to people who really cares.

[@Londonlight522]

@ there’s a retention problem. We have been losing good nurses to Australia, the UAE and America where they are highly paid. We have some good nurses left but some are bottom of the barrel who didn’t get the best grades. If the salary was good enough here, the care would be good enough. There are consultants sat doing nothing for 4x a nurses salary whilst they’re run ragged doing procedures traditionally meant for doctors.

[@Londonlight522]

@ instead of increasing the pay they bring nurses from poorer countries who are happy with the low pay.

[@emilyfarndon1754]

Honest to God, Carole…🤬🤬🤬 Public sector jobs are a necessity in society ffs…🤬 Letting herself down, seriously…🙄🙄🙄

[@gaj89363]

The public secor pay rises has been aweful and in oder to compete with private sector wages needed to increase, 4 day week and proper workforce plan is needed for the demands of the role otherwise, more and more councils will go bankrupt and talent will be leaving due to the incompetence of goverment strategy!

[@teem5642]

😂😂😂😂Okay I usually don't support the gentleman on the right and usually suprt the lady on the left.... But god is she sooo offside today spouting nonsense. I work for NHS, NHS wasn't at all any good under the tories

[@andrewharrison7767]

strange she forgets a decade of below inflation nhs 'payrises'\

[@adamwade2054]

When Carole ran for cover during Covid it was all the people we didn’t think were important that had to keep working

[@MargaretDeakin-d6m]

TV presenters do not need such a big salary. We can all live well without Presenters.We need teachers and carers though.Like politicians we need an independent pay body to set the wages, taking into consideration their value to us all. Care workers do need a raise because they do alot of work on the wards and in patients homes. Only senior nurses earn 50,000. Many of these have responsibilities way above a TV presenter or retail worker.Retail workers do not have the same skillsets.

[@ItWasAcceptableInThe80s]

With all due respect to retail workers, they haven’t studied for years got themselves in thousands of pounds of student debt and they are not dealing with death and trauma all day. Is a retail worker dealing with an unresponsive infant or a serious road traffic accident or a teenager that has hung themselves. Give me a break 😢

[@kristinamasters1663]

Supermarkets were soon vital during covid when the shelves were empty!!

[@kevinwong1090]

nnurses should take a pay cut. most of them cant unnderstand english

[@paulsavery7439]

Carole is a horrible individual. Her view on the world is consistent I’ll give her that

[@markmcbride678]

Better off under the tories 😂😂😂😂😂

[@markmcbride678]

Patrick works in retail and works harder than a nurse 😂😂😂😂 What a complete 🛎🔚

[@McW-b7x]

Every time I have visited a hospital, the nurses are sitting around drinking tea and talking... the HSA's do all the work, and I have never seen a group of retail workers sitting there scrolling through their phones whilst they are supposed to be working, unlike nurses that behave like this all the time.

[@markmcbride678]

@McW-b7x well next time you're ill ... go see patrick I'm sure he will sort you out 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@darrenlamb6279]

@@McW-b7xeverytime I’ve been to hospital I’ve seen the nurses working non-stop. Same as retail. But, anyone can do retail without any qualifications. The same can not be said for nursing. Anyone who tries to compare the two as being equal is frankly an idiot.

[@davman115]

Retail guy wonders why people with degrees are making more money than him. 😂

[@markmcbride678]

@@davman115 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I thought exactly the same ... classic reform voter no doubt

[@TomBartram-b1c]

Teachers and nurses' wages should be governed by the exactly the same factors as footballers' and pop stars' wages. Supply and demand.

[@bradleycostello9077]

The triple lock costs more than that

[@NatYak457]

Retail workers get trained for 2 weeks maximum for free. Nurses, doctors and teachers have to train for at least three years minimum and have to pay for their education. Tell me what the comparison is.

[@KevinDuggan-l9o]

If you don't want to pay healthcare workers what they are asking for, that fine but remember, if you are not willing to pay it, Australia, Canada, and the US will, employees in healthcare are not a captive audience anymore, we are loosing nurses hand over fist to emigration because they want a better life. The reality is the staff have the government over a barrel on this one, pay them a decent wage, or they will go elsewhere its a free market economy

[@matthewjennings5893]

As a police officer we don't have the option to strike we get a 7% rise a year for the first 7 years of service. You know the pay scale when you take the job. You can't moan once you start the job.

[@andrewharrison7767]

that doesn't account for yearly inflation - that's where the 2.8% offer vs 2.4% inflation becomes the discussion

[@MeldersJnr]

If we keep voting in the same type of useless, self serving politicians - a Police Union with the power to strike will not be far off.

[@matthewjennings5893]

@andrewharrison7767 you know when you start to study the pay grade. If you want to earn more go.into another industry. Alot of nurses seem to be in the wrong job

[@davman115]

Police are well paid and retire with good pensions while they are in their early fifties.

[@andrewharrison7767]

@@matthewjennings5893 why should any worker be forced to change career to be paid fairly?. As a minimum, fair pay rises should be above inflation. Nobody goes into nursing expecting to get wealthy, but every public sector employee, including you, has had their pay savaged by the tory government - newly qualified nurses lost 2000 a year (9.44%) between 2010 & 24/25 when you include inflation; there's the issue;. Ironically the cut has driven nhs staff into the arms of nursing agencies, which cost far more per hour, than it would cost to restore pay.

[@martynreeves7952]

Theachers should have pay cut

[@markwelch3564]

Who else saw the massive fib in the title? A fraction of a percent above inflation isn't a "huge pay rise"

[@Torquemadia]

It's conditioning to make people believe that something that isn't happening is happening. Don't forget, these are the same people who claimed that an 8.5 % rise in the pension wasn't enough.

[@theresawinder7403]

Get all these TV presenters and ministers a pay freeze to pay fir it. I work in the NHS and appreciate any payrise as years ago there was a pay freeze.

[@andrewharrison7767]

Was carol happy giving nhs a 21% real pay cut from 2009 then? Better under the tories my bahooky - she seems to have forgotten inflation was 11%? Here's a fairer answer - Take the average inflation rate over a year, then add 1% - theres your payrise. As for Patrick from glasgow, does he need a degree to do his job?

[@johnou.k.3780]

Take away that ridiculous pay rise the bloody train drivers got for just sitting on their arse , and pay the nurses

[@NathanChick-n8q]

We need to pay them highly as to incentive people to go into teach and healthcare if we dint pay them we'll we get staff shortages like we do

[@josephinepalfreyman6665]

The pension contribution that teachers employers have to pay went up in April to 28.3% of their salary. Plus nearly every classroom has a TA, and most teachers then get a SEN allowance up to an extra £5285 a year and TLR allowance up to £15, 690 per year (many are on a lower TLR). Add to which they work 39 weeks per year 32.5 hours per week, the good committed teacher work more, but it is possible to get away with the minimum.

[@EarlyRomanKing]

You are wrong in every way little Josephine.

[@smittykoi]

And don't forget the full sick pay for up to 25 days that most of them make sure they take 😂

[@justanotherldnr]

You couldn’t be further removed from the truth 😂

[@markmcbride678]

Kevin clearly lying 😂😂😂😂

[@beltingtokra]

Only 35k? I'm lucky to get 30k in the private sector working 45 hrs a week, with legal minimum holidays and pension. I have been trying for 18 months to get a public sector job. It isn't fair, those at the top need to take a hit of their 6 figure bonuses.

[@DarkCreed]

You need to start low, take a band 2 job, prove yourself, be sweet with the management and your colleagues and you'll fly up the bands to 30k at least in no time.

[@gadagaz]

Haha tax gambling?! That will never happen, too many politicians in the pocket and I am glad that's the case!

[@Jeremiah59]

The problem is inflation. To be fair to labour they are priortizing health to get people backto work. But they are shooting themsleves in the foot with net zero.

[@neorich59]

How much does Malone "earn" per annum? I'd bet that it's _way_ more than many a teacher, yet, teachers are worth far more to the present and future of this country than _she'll_ every be.

[@PT-po3de]

Yes for teachers not for nurses

[@ArtSmart91]

Yes for both, tax the rich and pay our public sectors a decent wage.

[@equalitypeace1695]

Private sector pays there executives big fat salaries and bonuses

[@saintsimon54]

Level 7 get more then £35,000 a year.

[@mzd9219]

Band 7 is a nursing ward manager (senior sister, senior charge nurse if male) responsible for overall running of their ward. Responsible for staff recruitment and training. They are responsible for staffing levels in accordance to patient ratios. They are the decision makers and have to attend courts when things go wrong. They are the once supervising juniors and students and are responsible for their clinical education. Their responsibilities are huge and worth every penny of their £50.000 salary. In USA they are on about 140.000, in Australia 90.000, New Zealand 80.000.

[@karenrobinson129]

Love Carole.

[@leon-o4m7k]

carole dont agree to anything ' unless its a tory saying it ' wot a itch

[@ksw6513]

every year an employee get a pay rise... are they making good profit and they are making a lot money for the organisation . the service are providing a good survive then we can talk...

[@moomin7461]

Public sector isn't about making a profit, it's about providing a service. The NHS and education sectors are woefully understaffed, and thus the service declines.

[@JeffreyGrant-u2r]

I have only recently had my first pay rise in almost ten years I'm in construction working through an agency I'm 62 and been on national minimum wage in ten years my wage has gone up 1.50 I cannot save a penny after years of taking home 290 a week

[@annaisiomaful]

But what about the billions being raised via the VAT for state schools? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@cafsixtieslover]

It equates I heard to one quarter of a teacher per school.

[@annaisiomaful]

@@cafsixtiesloverI’m sure this was worth it 😂😂😂

[@phillipimran7377]

The lack of self awareness and the constant contradictions from the Right is insane. On one hand they want more British teachers, doctors, etc, but on the other hand they don't want to give any inventive to the British people nor do they want to invest in them. So many British people are going abroad instead of working here because the pay is awful compared to other countries. Malone can't even get her numbers correct, the average pay for a nurse in London is around 36k a year which they have to pay 20% of that in income tax and then NI as well, so if you take that into account, their take home pay is actually 29K per year which is around £2,416 per month, and if you take bills into account like rent for example, after searching for properties to rent in a hellhole like Hackney in London, the rent for a 1 bed flat is upwards of £1000+ PCM and that's without including other bills and expenses like council tax, water, electricity, gas, food, clothes, etc Patrick from Glasgow who works in retail which I agree they should get paid more for the hard work they do, but you can't seriously say, that a retail worker should get paid just as much as a nurse or a doctor when those roles require more skill, years of training and learning, the fact they have people lives in their hands as well and to put it frank, they are more important roles than retail.

[@__WhatIsGoingOn__]

He he he glorious 🙌🙌

[@briankerrison8504]

Retail 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🙄😎

[@user-vm9jv4lq2t]

I would like to know what your wages are lady in glasses

[@janebufton1960]

Redicolous. When other workers are practically starving and poor. Who are they? Anyway?? Absolutely absurd..

[@philippataky2226]

If you’re not happy with your pay, pension and job stability in the public sector, leave and get another job in the private sector.

[@Torquemadia]

And then people like you complain when doctors and nurses go to Canada and Australia.

[@moomin7461]

That is already happening, which is why the NHS and education sectors are understaffed.

[@gregadair1546]

I trained for 2 days to be a ham cutter and deserve to be paid the same as a nurse and a teacher.

[@DarkCreed]

Swap the animal blood on your clothes for the blood of children and patients.