Big Railroad Equipment Rotary Snowplow and Wrecking Crane - Ogden train show 2020

[@robertrivera9162]

It's cool to see old buildings still in use, especially when it brings a connection of trains and food. Trains and food, two of my most favorite things

[@unclemarksdiyauto]

Thanks for the unique train pieces and the historic photos showing the uses way back in the day!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi. And thanks. Tomorrow we are messing around at garagemahall again. Will be there for a while as we can’t travel. Anyway should be fun.

[@unclemarksdiyauto]

Dale, just getting caught up since kinda in partial lockdown! Watching the Al Badham video! Interesting man!

[@ChrisK-LTC]

The steam derricks operated past the days of the steam locos, and thus lost the infrastructure to fill tenders. Union Pacific built Water Service tank cars for MOW service. The water pump was most likely used to transfer the water from one of these tank cars into the derrick's tender.

[@ToyManTelevision]

LeonaTimberCompany bet that’s it!!!!!!! The one in Ely (link in the show) was never retired. And they kept a water tank and column which are still there. The Derrick and rotary were used to the end in the 90’s!!

[@robertweldon7909]

Well, it is obvious the train show was before the shut down started. Now there is no reason to not work on your garden lay out, you can still go outside, and other fine screwing around. With you folks too I want to express my thanks for giving us all a little distraction from the worlds cares. Your being POSITIVE and calm minded is a huge help in relieving the stress of being HOME BOUND whether we like it or not. Keep it up, stay safe and well. ;-)

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi!! Yup staying in. Next week a friend comes over and we talk about his old HOn3 railroad and mess with his old cars built in the 80s and 90s. Did manage to bag some building materials before the shutdown. So planning on laying track and working on the backdrop and the outdoor stuff too

[@kenshores9900]

Again very interesting. They moved the rotary snow blower out of the building at the California State RR museum when I was there. It was an interesting point you made about the tender. The wreaking crane had one also. I figure the crane was steam powered and they needed to be sure they could power the crane. The railroads use to own refineries to control their fuel costs. They realized they knew how to run RRs but not refineries. Quirky little place in Long Beach. Thanks for breaking the Covid 19 boredom.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Ken Shores check the link to the crane in Ely. You can see how this works. That crane was never retired. Used it right to the end on the railroad in the 90s. They the museum took it over, retubed the boiler and fired it up.

[@kenshores9900]

Toy Man Television Another place to go visit. Most likely by automobile.

[@charlesmcclure5994]

It's good to see the two of you

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks!! Gee what a mess. We just bagged a mess of 180 proof hand sanitizer at a distillery. Yum! Gag! Anyway it works great.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

I always look forward to the Ogden Hostlers Train Show! This one happened just in time, as large crowds are not what people want to be in! Let's hope the worry will soon be over! In the meantime, we can find many fun things to do, and odd places to visit that does not involve large crowds. Times are forever changing. So, now is the time to be innovating, and find some fun things to keep us occupied! So many hobbies! A whole new adventure.. Let's see what we find!

[@nathancorcoran5347]

That Rotary Snow Plow was used on that same railroad that OWR&N 197 ran on. And it would be happy to see it in operation, along with Spokane, Portland, & Seattle 700, and Southern Pacific 4449. So there would be three operational steam locomotives in Portland. And also another 4-6-2 “Pacific” steam locomotive in operation. There are very few 4-6-2 steam locomotives that are still in operation. My favorite Pacific, is Pennsylvania Railroad 1361. It’s a K4 class Pacific. And it’s one of the two K4 locomotives that survived. The other is 3750, which is found at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania in Strasburg, Pennsylvania. 1361 was another operating 4-6-2 locomotive. It started operation in 1987. Until being taken out of service in 1988. Today the locomotive is undergoing restoration to return to operation again for steam excursions.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Be cool to se this guy running but I doubt that will ever happen. But yes! All three Portland locomotives will soon be running. And a PA1!

[@JerkRice]

You are right. That snowplow is huge! I would love to see that in action.

[@ToyManTelevision]

That would be something.

[@robertemmons2260]

Last year when the Big Boy was in town my wife and I had walked around and looked at some of the other equipment that they had in their yard. I thoroughly enjoyed seeing all of those old trains, cars, and equipment that they had on hand.

[@ToyManTelevision]

AND they have a bunch across town in open storage.

[@robertemmons2260]

@@ToyManTelevision that'll have to be on my list when we come back in to town later this spring.

[@tomas5376]

Time to stay home and protect yourselves!👍✌️😊🙏🏼🚂🚂🚂

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yup. Been on that for two weeks. Geeee. Next week a friend talks to us about his old layout

[@garymccullah1143]

Dale and Karyn, The trucks on the rotary snow plows were generally unsprung. As a result, severe speed restrictions were in place when moving them across the railroad. I agree that the extra water pump on the Derrick may have been used to transfer water to the tender from an outside water source (tank car, truck, fireplug).

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yup. Low and slow. Faster than a rail grinder. 3mph as I recall. Really cool machine. Hope to see the one in chama running some day. Or if the Nevada Northern ever rebuilds theirs. Which they are planning to do.....

[@drgw489productions]

It’s good to see that you and Karen don’t really fear the virus and keep making videos, I’m going crazy not seeing the narrow gauge running!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Well we are in. Shot this 3 weeks ago at the Ogden train show. Just before the ordered everyone to stay in.

[@drgw489productions]

@@ToyManTelevision the virus should die down soon, hope to see you guys around!

[@19brandon66]

A very interesting video. Never boring. They have a cool snowplow on the White Pass & Yukon Route in Skagway, AK...the only one I've ever seen. Very cool that you both love trains and can enjoy them together...

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi. Have you seen video of OY? The restored rotary on CATS? Went into operation a few days ago. Wow!

[@kaipu3197]

Great video

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks!!!

[@tomkibbe835]

Be safe ijn these trying times, never boring! Tom Kibbe

[@ToyManTelevision]

Tomorrow I’m showing my amazing germ mask Karyn made for me.

[@lovepets2781]

I just want you to know I love your channel and you guys are awesome.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi and thanks!!!! And thanks for watching and sharing!

[@allenmyers8568]

There are some videos on KZbin of the Cumbres & Tolteck steam rotary plow in action this year - quite impressive considering that all the equipment in use is over 100 years old and still works perfectly.

[@ToyManTelevision]

allen myers amazing footage!!!

[@robertweldon7909]

Also " Traveling Tom" did a series of the same. Excellent

[@billtimmons7071]

@@robertweldon7909 Yep, he is one of my favorite sites. He seems to capture great camera angles doesn't he?

[@randallhawkinson4727]

Nice little tour. Roseville (CA) has one on display, but it's restored and painted very nicely. I don't know why, but I think this is much nicer looking. Old guys and old stuff, I guess!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi. Shame these guys don’t paint things very often. 20 years ago this was sharp! Missed the one in Roseville. Need to check it out.

[@randallhawkinson4727]

@@ToyManTelevision It's SPMW7221 and SP 10 Wheeler 2252 is next to it , beautifully displayed in a little park atmosphere. They are on Atlantic St right where Atlantic and Vernon St across from the Sac. Valley Wye of the UP. Roseville Hobbies is just two blocks over on Vernon St. (Shame promotion) . You can see them on Google Maps. They're pinned.

[@donoien3059]

Great video. What a snow blower!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Been that for the driveway

[@trainzguy2472]

At 3:11 you guys saw the Union Pacific's Utah service unit "Blizzard Bus!" It's a specially modified Pullman/Budd gallery car paired with a boxcar that's used to house work crews and equipment during wintertime maintenance operations.

[@ToyManTelevision]

The museum has ended up with some really interesting stuff like that! They have a lot of pieces from the strategic air command’s train. No why the people in charge of nuclear missiles had a train....

[@alcopower5710]

So very informative......really enjoy your content. You two are perfect together and love how you mix together your commentary

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi and gee wiz thanks!!

[@cbgadget4740]

Another great video, really like the subject matter you guys check out. Thanks for sharing 👍👍👍😎😎😎 Cary

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks for watching!! Glad you liked it

[@canyonpast]

Very cool, so enjoy your work. Always insightful, edgicational and wimsical. Keep them coming.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks. I think Tuesday we will look at something odd.

[@shawntl]

love the video keep up the great work

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks! Tomorrow back to garagemahall

[@pathfinderrailroad5721]

thanks for the field trip : )

[@ToyManTelevision]

Path Finder Railroad nice to get out. Even if it was 3 weeks ago. What a difference 3 weeks makes.

[@pathfinderrailroad5721]

@@ToyManTelevision it's almost like another planet , stay safe and thanks

[@mikehubbard4309]

Ok, this was shot 3 weeks ago... We were worried about you guys riding the rails during the shut down. Is rail service stopped there now? Let's see a bit of the work on the garden RR when you get a chance. Stay Safe!

[@ToyManTelevision]

I think they’re still running the light rail and the trax. They did shut the whole system down after the earthquake! But not because of the virus just because of the earthquake. For the most part people are staying in. We are although we have to make a run to the store all the time because the store has nothing, so you get what you get when you get it. But it is a chance to work on the show and work on the rail road and so on. We did go out to check out earthquake damage yesterday. The first house we went to was now a vacant lot! Only hours after the quake. Gee. Big hurry. Still though. Lots of damage around.

[@mikehubbard4309]

@@ToyManTelevision Sounds good, keep up the great work and take care!

[@acsmith70325]

Cheers!

[@bigwoz78]

We were going to go to the Ogden show this year but I guess it wasn’t meant to be. Hopefully we can get there next year.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Assuming the world exists. Kidding! But dang this is weird. Tomorrow I model Karyn’s amazing face masks. And we ride out an earthquake

[@iannarita9816]

The navigation from Wikipedia: Oregon Steam Navigation Company was incorporated in 1862 in Portland. It operated steamships between San Francisco and ports along the Columbia River at Astoria, Portland, and The Dalles, serving the lumber and salmon fishing industries. The company built the railroad[clarification needed] to serve the steamship operation. The Oregon Steam Navigation Company was sold to Oregon Railway and Navigation in 1880. Oregon Steam Navigation Company (of Washington) was incorporated in 1860 to operate via land along a portion of the Columbia River that was unnavigable by steamship because of the rapids. The railroad operated from The Dalles to Celilo Falls.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks

[@jimkleiss1020]

Stay safe guys! Looking forward to seeing how much you get done in Garage Mahal during lockdown!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Next week we look at som old models there

[@robertdavies5501]

Thanks for a really good show...needed for some boredom relief from our lockdown thanks to the cov19 even though we ain't got it..just avoiding it catch up next time...regards to you both from Blackwood South Australia 👍 👍

[@ToyManTelevision]

So your locked down too? Everywhere? We are. Check in the morning to see my cool new face mask! Karyn made some as the police have grabbed all there for the hospital

[@Brian_rock_railfan]

Awesome video liked 🚂🚄👍

[@tomklock568]

I'd love to see those things in action! Incredible.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Chama just got OY running. Good video only a week or so old.

[@royreynolds108]

Her you go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/npOvqouqr7GLaas, kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqOXg4Z6jt-Ieqs This is two videos.

[@BNSF7776]

Neat stuff! I believe those silver tenders were salvaged off various steam locomotives during the retirement of steam. Ton of them were converted into MOW service and still around.

[@ToyManTelevision]

I sort of wondered. Logical.

[@PaulAFulcher]

What a great piece kit the Rotary snowplow is,could do with one of those over here some times as for the Wrecking crane its a real monster,another great video Ken..many thanks !

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks!! Fun to get out and see this stuff. And even with the world shut down but we have ideas! Ghost towns and railroads as long as they are within a couple of hours from here. And working on the railroad

[@trfarmer3869]

There's videos on both the plow & crane on You Tube of them being used. I'll see if I can find them again.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Cool!

[@leifjenkinson4039]

A book, probably hard to find, anymore, The Copper Spike (i think) by Lone Jackson. Absolutely the best book by far on building the Copper River and North Western (Can't Run And Never Will), from Cordova Alaska (seaport shipping town) to the Kennicott copper mine, A heck of a feat. There are quite a few photos of building and running it. One that impresses is the huge rotary buried in snow, stuck in a drift. Passengers had to get out and shovel! The RR must have been prepared with lots of shovels on the trains! My copy is the size of a magazine, soft bout d, probably a couple of hundred pages. She divides the book into sections. One is the politics, one is the competition for which town got the terminus, one is the building, and so forth. There was a movie, but very corney. Built by the same guy who built the Whitehorse gold rush narrow gauge RR. Both were supposed to be impossible. You can still drive out 50 miles and see the million dollar bridge, which was damaged heavily by the great 1964 earthquake. The chapter on the ridge is riveting. (Baaad pun, i know) The span that dropped has finally been brought up. The politics of that were interesting, too. Conservationists blocked the attempt after the quake. The rational recently is the downed span was blocking the world famous Copper River Red Salmon run. He he he. Listen guys. Stay safe. Concentrate on the Garden RR, and the models! No more going out to crowded train events. No visitors. We'll forgive you!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi. Yes this was three weeks ago. A different world then. When there were 4 cases and the whole thing was “fake”. Now 3 weeks and 30,000 infections later... three weeks..... no matter. Love to see the book and skip the film. But ghost rail the grade and that bridge

[@acox3527]

Those were both huge and beautiful majestic pieces of railroad history I'm sure that things could shred a tree if it was falling over on the tracks I'm not sure about about boulders. Animals are another thing they're always on or around railroad tracks I've seen videos were moose's hit by them locomotive engines

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yuk. Did see a steam locomotive hit a cow. Didn’t do anything. Going slow. Just pushed it out of the way.

[@darrellcook4915]

Did something change with the 223 restoration ? as far as I know they are still locked out of the building. They were talking about giving it to The Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Really??????? Need to me. Wow gotta ask around.

[@darrellcook4915]

@@ToyManTelevision Yes. Really ticked me off . I Was thinking about volunteering to work on it too.

[@gregsmith1719]

Very interesting, Dale! Did you find out the construction dates on any of that equipment? Keep it up!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Greg Smith nope. Be nice to know. Not super old but I’d guess just post war.

[@wmjwell]

Love it. Didn’t see any of the mentioned links. Love the history!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Oops fixed

[@oregonrailfan7046]

Also 197 worked on the Oregon railroad & navigation company not the OWR&N

[@ToyManTelevision]

True. And as I understand it the rotary worked on both?

[@darnelwashoe2781]

Haha, like the music

[@ToyManTelevision]

I get a kick outa putting that together.

[@henrylevitan]

Do you guys plan on going to the 23rd Annual Roubdhouse Festival in Evanston Wyoming august 7,8, and 9? I saw a pamphlet for it at a local hoppy shop in utah

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hope so. Gee I hope the great lock down is over by then.

[@rsomers8032]

Guess you both can binge watch runaway train movies like "unstoppable" while under "house arrest."

[@ToyManTelevision]

I’ve been binging dog rescue videos.

[@deandanielson8074]

Hi Dale and Karyn!! Love your videos and some unique things only you two do for us Railfans. First, the close-ups of the Rotary Snow Plow and the big Crane Unit. As you may know, I model N Scale and I have both a rotary kit (still not built) and a Russell Snowplow with the big front fixed snowplow. I also have a crane unit that looks similar to the Industry Work unit that you show so well on video. Very exciting to see the equipment preserved. I think Union Pacific still uses a rotary (for big snows) on the Donnor Pass area of the Sierra Nevada. Is that correct? Thanks as always and wishing you the best of health. - Dean from Minnesota

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yup. UP had at least two. One in Cheyenne for Sherman hill used every few years and one for Donner used a lot! Tichy makes an industrial works Derrick in HO that’s amazing. Not this one, the older 180 ton. But Wow!

[@deandanielson8074]

Thanks, Dale. Nice to know the equipment is still being used. - Dean

[@leifjenkinson4039]

I think there is a you-tube video. Doesn't the North Pacific have a working steam rotary that they get out every few years, only when they have extreme snow in the pass?

[@ToyManTelevision]

Not sure. UP has one at Cheyenne they can take where needed. I think.

[@royreynolds108]

@@ToyManTelevision The UP still uses the one at Sparks on Donner Pass as needed. It is an old Leslie converted to traction motors powering the blade shaft and coupled to a diesel with the traction motors disconnected for power; then pushed by as many units as needed. It has locomotive controls so no extra crew is needed in the pushing units, they are MUed.

[@terrydikkers4707]

Enjoyed the video as always, you guys are great. Just wondering with the wrecking crane, it looks massively heavy and with lifting maxim weight how do the rails and ties fair under all that weight. Was there any track repair after a lifting?

[@ronbelnap8370]

Terry Dikkers when a crane or Derrick is used, there are outriggers on either side, which are blocked up. These transfer the weight to the ground, and not necessarily through the track. Track loads must always be perpendicular to the ties, and vertical through the rail, parallel to the web. Angles beyond the vertical will roll the rail. Track is held together by gravity

[@ToyManTelevision]

I think the track was ok. Don’t know if any issues. But I assume it would not be taken of light rail. However the 180 ton in Ely was used on very light rail. So I guess that’s not an issue. Don’t know.

[@royreynolds108]

@@ronbelnap8370 The outriggers are used to keep the crane stable and level and provide a larger loading area to support the crane and load when lifting. For all practical purposes the track does not support the crane during a lift-5 feet is not much support when picking something up. What is bad is when the ground gives way under the blocking and the wrecker rolls over on its side or the crew drops a load of a new automatic tamper they are unloading under the superintendent's window. The outriggers are used on truck cranes for the same reason; spread the load bearing area against overturning moment.

[@ronbelnap8370]

Roy Reynolds that sounds like personal experience. The stories that could be told! My knowledge comes from working closely with carmen and riggers clearing wrecks. They taught me about loading, angles, moments, counterweights, and a healthy respect for center of gravity. Never lifted anything myself, but know a mechanical superintendent who turned over a hook picking a wreck in Arizona. He didn’t talk about it much.

[@hamiltonsullivan6563]

Toyman!!! Great video my cousin I think owned that in the 70s or 80 on the Portland traction company the (rotary end plow)

[@ToyManTelevision]

Who’s that?!

[@hamiltonsullivan6563]

@@ToyManTelevision my cousin owned the east portland traction company for a long time and he needed a snow plow for moving gravel, and snow so he baught before it was able to get scrapped

[@iannarita9816]

PS Thx again

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks!

[@awizardalso]

I would assume that a water pump would be used to pump water into the boiler as needed.

[@ToyManTelevision]

No they used injection for that. But several people have pointed out these outlived the water tanks by 30 years and you’d see them with 10 green water cars. And that’s how they got the water into the tender.

[@awizardalso]

@@ToyManTelevision Even injection systems are powered by pumps. Just like fuel injections in cars, they use a high pressure fuel pump to feed the injectors.

[@royreynolds108]

@@awizardalso Steam injectors are for delivering water into a boiler at the same pressure. It takes a very large pump to deliver the amount of water an injector can deliver. The top pump is to get water into the wrecker tender then the injectors on the boiler can deliver the water into the boiler as needed. The duplex pump @10:54 is for transferring fuel oil to the bunker in the tender.

[@quintinbarnhart]

Water transfer or fire pump.

[@ToyManTelevision]

I figured fire or dust control but I’ll bet your right with water transfer. These outlived water tanks. By a lot!

[@jonheller2307]

Did you figure out what the pump was for?

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yep it’s for putting out fires. How are you have to put out a fire while plowing snow, but apparently this is also used in fire service during the summer something like that. Anyway that’s what it’s for

[@billbruff9613]

Interesting equipment. But please don't feel you have to go out to keep the rest of us entertained. Shelter in place and show us more of what you have stashed away in the garagemahal (That's easily 3-4 months worth) or share material from older videos that you edited out. We all need to stay safe and healthy in these troubling times.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi. This was three weeks ago at the train show. Depot was closed a few days later.

[@billbruff9613]

@@ToyManTelevision Grest. Stay well please

[@oregonrailfan7046]

It's actually called the Oregon Washington railroad & navigation company not the Oregon western railroad & navigation company

[@ToyManTelevision]

Oops.

[@tomastaylor]

Is that photo at 1:20 the old depot in Wallace, ID?

[@ToyManTelevision]

Not sure

[@deandanielson8074]

Hi Dale and Karyn, I'm back with some information. I have been researching the Industrial Works company out of Bay City, Michigan and here is a link to a story of the company, with many photos and a KZbin history (which is excellent): bay-journal.com/bay/1he/bus/industrialworks.html

[@ToyManTelevision]

Wow thanks. Stay safe and healthy

[@anthonyferrara2222]

Aren’t you both observing the stay at home rule?

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yup. Except for the store. This was 3 weeks ago. Just 3 weeks. What a change 3 weeks makes.

[@anthonyferrara2222]

Yes times have changed quickly. Stay safe

[@r.c.r.rproductions8462]

What Editing software do you use? I’ve been trying to find one with more features than the one I have.

[@ToyManTelevision]

R.C.R.R PRODUCTIONS I use an antique. Final Cut Pro 7. But it’s still out there as FCP X. Totally different though. So rather than learn that I use the really old version on a really old computer from 2009 or so.

[@r.c.r.rproductions8462]

@@ToyManTelevision thanks , man. I've been wondering for some time. And for 09 it is quite good. And seems much better than my "top of the line" editor. Yes, I'm aware that with editing comes skill. I know how to do all it's features And they're quite limited. But thanks. I'll go check it out.

[@theidahowesternstatesrailfan]

2:09 There is a turntable!

[@ToyManTelevision]

So far they haven't let us over there. DANG IT.

[@theidahowesternstatesrailfan]

Oh that sucks! At least you got to go in the shops...

[@jamesf791]

I know you both have been to the Illinois Railway Museum a few years ago. They are restoring one of their snow blowers. www2.irm.org/blogs/archives/2105-Rotary-Update.html Hope everyone is ok and safe with this quarantine going on.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks. So far so good. Hope to get back to Illinois railway museum at some point.

[@michaelmohrmann]

Interesting video, but it could have been longer. Last week's video was also interesting, that one could have been longer too. Just sayin'.

[@ToyManTelevision]

I had the two together but then too long. And as we can’t really get out to events right now I just split it.

[@billtimmons7071]

@@ToyManTelevision Can never get enough Toy Man Television :)

[@DavidMGeorgia]

Quit chewing gum when you are filming. It is annoying, especially when you pop it.