BIGGEST American War Crime Cover-Up Of The Vietnam War (Warning* Mature Audiences Only)

What happens when a group of men are let loose in the wilderness with no oversight and a simple instruction: kill anything that moves? Tiger Force is the answer. An elite recon group of the Vietnam War whose war crimes were covered up by the US government for decades.
In this video, we look at the atrocities committed by the men of Tiger Force as they descended into barbarity in the jungle of Vietnam, and how the US government tried to hide it from the world.
Origins of Tiger Force
Tiger Force was a long-range reconnaissance patrol unit of the 1st Battalion, 327th Infantry, 101st Airborne Division. It was formed in November 1965 by Major David Hackworth to, quote, “out-guerrilla the guerrillas.” He put it more frankly to another reporter. “I want 40 swinging dicks,” Hackworth had said, men who were free to use their own judgment, skill, and drive to conduct unrestrained warfare in the toughest areas of Vietnam. It usually numbered about 45 men at any one time, but people would rotate out every few months. For example, 120 different men served in the Tiger Force between July and December 1967.
Usually, Tiger Force would be dropped into an operational area and given effectively free reign to achieve their goal. Military command maintained minimal oversight of their activities - so long as they racked up a body-count, the brass were happy. Many soldiers embraced the freedom and lack of bureaucracy that Tiger Force provided, but the absence of accountability or oversight would lead the men of Tiger Force down a dark path.
Arriving in Song Ve
The events that would enshrine them in the history books began to unfold in summer 1967 when the Tiger Force was sent into the Song Ve Valley.
The Song Ve Valley was an agricultural hotspot that was allegedly a hiding place for the Viet Cong (VC) and North Vietnamese Army (NVA). TTiger Force was instructed to clear out remaining residents of the valley to a nearby refugee camp and then sweep the area for VC soldiers and food caches. The valley was declared a ‘free-fire’ area - shoot first, ask questions later. Civilian casualties were still unacceptable in theory, but enforcing that condition was a whole other matter.
#vietnamwar #tigerforce #history
Sources:
Michael Sallah and Mitch Weiss, Tiger Force: A True Story of Men and War, (2006)
Geoffrey C. War and Ken Burns, The Vietnam War: An Intimate History, (2017)
Nick Turse, ‘The Vietnam War Crimes You Never Heard Of’, History News Network
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[@bogart281]

I graduated from High School in 1965, was drafted the same year and had no idea what I was in for. I'm 76 now and it all seems like a bad dream.

[@lamontpearce170]

More like a nightmare. My dad did Korea and Vietnam. And didn't live to see his 43 birthday...

[@truthseeker2321]

​@lamontpearce170 How long did he serve? I noticed that many military retirees die before getting social security. Even in peacetime, military life is rough .

[@lamontpearce170]

@truthseeker2321 He did his 20 plus years. I know I went in 11/75 I had intended to serve for 20 years. But decided it was best to get out .I did my 3 years and my inactive reserve time. And was done ...I was disappointed at first to have missed Vietnam. Then I was thankful after growing up and listening to stories from other veterans.

[@truthseeker2321]

@@lamontpearce170 I know what you mean. U.S. Army 1981- 1989. I'm glad I never saw war, and 8 years was enough Army life for me.

[@dennisszejman6390]

I'm sorry you and all those men had to go through that. I hope Jesus gives you peace in your mind and soul.

[@genejennings9864]

The us government doesn’t learn from mistakes it just keeps moving into new mistakes

[@mrsellenj.a1740]

Absolutely

[@micksingh6711]

It's all on purpose. America is a disgusting country as well as it's people. The corruption in this country is just too much.

[@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356]

​@@micksingh6711America punishes their war criminals

[@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356]

​@@micksingh6711theres worse countries

[@BasedHSVdude]

Yes, Iraq and Syria as examples

[@mrfixit8776]

Probably one of the most stupidest wars we had in the last 200 years.

[@GordonMcElvany]

Iraq is near the top as well. I hope George Bush is enjoyment his retirement as well. It will be much hotter than Texas where he is going.

[@whytho2714]

@@GordonMcElvanyCorny ass dude. Hell doesn’t exist

[@jyellowhammer]

@@GordonMcElvany Amen to that. We had zero business in Afghanistan as well. The parallel to Afghanistan and Vietnam is the fact that at the time we were in conflict with the two countries that they were both the number one opium producing countries in the word. Food for thought.

[@che1716]

The US can't do anything against China. China has beaten the US mercilessly in the Korean war, where thousands of US soldiers were beaten and put to death before being thrown into the river. The US will never say their humiliation under the Chinese army, and they were forced to sign armistice for ending the war in Korea. The US is a tiger against small countries but becomes merely a cat against big nations.

[@ZoltanMarossy]

I mean, WW1 was started by a 19 year old making a very bad decision. Millions of lives and many generations destroyed while never gaining a foot of land at times over something a 19 year old started. I still get what you're saying, but I don't think anything will top WW1's madness.

[@johnhough9593]

“I’ve seen thousands of men lying on the ground, their dead faces looking up at the skies. I tell you, war is hell”- William T Sherman

[@E-s.thoughts]

That is indeed true, and Sherman could know... he was part of that hell.

[@29.nguyenminhnhut2]

Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone. + Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America) + I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history (China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone. + Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America) + I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history + (China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the earth is peaceful and developed ++( ❤free plastine ❤)++ + trump 2024 good luck American

[@luvanime1986]

​@@29.nguyenminhnhut2 Sorry, but trump isn't going to liberate Palestine nor stop the ukraine conflict and become friends with Russia. He is a blowhard wannabe dictator that will do whatever anyone pays him or the neoconss allow him to do. It was the same when he was president and it will only be worse if he is reelected again. The U.S. has no good options for president.

[@AliAlsuhailYT]

​@@29.nguyenminhnhut2trump ain't doing anything good for Palestine, dawg. You could argue that he started this genocide by moving the embassy.

[@GordonMcElvany]

Yes and he killed his fair share as well. Hell is overflowing.

[@kobusswanepoel6447]

Stop sending young men to fight old politicians dreams and wishes!! Send the old men instead!! War Veteran myself Angola/ SA.

[@antonibertolacci7030]

👏👏👏

[@timavery2194]

I agree with you bub. And thank you for your service. I appreciate you brother

[@caniceedward]

I think the biggest war crime in white America history is the killing of the American copper skin Aborigines.

[@hulamei3117]

Send the old white men!

[@emil3458]

​@@hulamei3117black ones too

[@CEELOW3000]

Just imagine all the untold stories of war's atrocities

[@GjaP_242]

“Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we’re being run by maniacs for maniacal ends.” John Lennon

[@GjaP_242]

By October 1969, "Give Peace a Chance" had become a universal chant at anti-Vietnam War demonstrations. 9:29 [HuffPost]

[@GjaP_242]

"We went to America a few times and [Brian] Epstein always tried to waffle on at us about saying nothing about Vietnam. So there came a time when George [Harrison] and I said 'Listen, when they ask next time, we're going to say we don't like that war and we think they should get right out.' That's what we did." John Lennon

[@GjaP_242]

The Tiger Force Atrocities [The New York Times] 10:01

[@GjaP_242]

Tiger Force was created in 1965 as an elite unit to defeat an enemy that operated in underground tunnels, set deadly booby traps and disappeared into the jungle as they were counterattacked. 9:36 [The New York Times]

[@julie2673]

I know a widow of one of the tiger forces. Her husband, the man with the last name, Bruner tried to stop a massacre but couldn't. He suffered extreme PTSD and became an alcoholic. His widow still cries over what happened and what he witnessed.

[@user-td2jw9ze2c]

Did he participate in any illegal activities?

[@julie2673]

@@user-td2jw9ze2c, No, he tried to stop it. Wayne Bruner's story can be found in the book, Tiger Force.

[@Mattyice5950]

@@user-td2jw9ze2cthis video even tells about him pointing his weapon at his teammates in defense of a family who were about to be executed telling the men that he would shoot them first before letting them kill the family, I picture this situation in my mind and imagine that the reason the others backed down was because they could see that Bruner was not bluffing, much respect to that man he’s a hero

[@julie2673]

@@Mattyice5950, Yes, he was. His widow gets so upset recounting the story but is so proud of him.

[@marcoprolo1488]

I escaped conscription but I like my bottle too much too 🙂

[@congnguyen-hb6fr]

As a Vietnamese, I was born when the war ended. We study about our nation's past, including the conflicts we have fought with other nations. We now know to remember the struggles faced by past generations. We also learnt not to remember bigotry, though. We extend a hearty welcome to all nationalities, including French, American, and those from which we have fought in the past. It is common knowledge that we are a socialist society but we are different from other communist countries, you may not be aware that our national policy is centered on national freedom and peace. We have a verse that I want to share with you. Đất nghèo nuôi những anh hùng (Heroes are born in impoverished places) Chìm trong máu lửa lại vùng đứng lên (Sinking in blood and fire,we rose once again.) Đạp quân thù xuống đất đen ( Stomp the enemies into the shadow ) Súng gươm vứt bỏ lại hiền như xưa (The swords and pistols were discarded, remaining as soft as before) We don't want war, We only protest when some country threatens our freedom and peace. War is meaningless, wish peace for the world.

[@BlyatifulButter]

Bài thơ "Việt Nam quê hương ta" của Nguyễn Đình Thi. What a resonant masterpiece it was.

[@harrychapin808]

I agree with you - "WAR IS MEANINGLESS!!"

[@Nicholasvandermeer]

War,huh,yeah what is it good for? Absolutely nothing, uhh war huh,yeah... Edwin Starr 1970.

[@mountaineer7435]

So, you are North Vietnamese? South were socialist but, the north communist! A couple things you say, are contradicting. Is Vietnam still split? The war was between each other too! What about that? And socialist societies are not, communist societies! They are completely different! You are confused!

[@linhla9491]

@@mountaineer7435 In Vietnam, we are united now. However, in the past, the South did not follow socialism; they followed personalism. Currently, Vietnam is led by the Communist Party and has a socialist-oriented market economy. If you want to know more about Vietnamese society, you can visit the Luna oi Channel to learn how we creatively apply "communism" in daily life and the differences between Vietnamese party and other communist parties.

[@tinascott1306]

I'm 68. The draft had just ended year before I graduated, but all the guys I know who were drafted in the late 60s early 70s came back totally different people. Some turned to drugs, some heard voices, some violent outbursts. All had mental illness because of what they saw, or did themselves. WAR IS HELL AND GOOD FOR NOTHING BUT THE DEFENSE INDUSTRY.

[@roberthaas1095]

You are absolutely right on all that

[@davidbrooks8809]

100% agreed 😢

[@YZER19]

It's good for freedom. I'm glad the US freed europe otherwise I would've grown up in a communist hell hole

[@MichaelJoseph-vb5ml]

Don't forget the experimental drugs they were given too. That messed them up

[@michaelmarama-de4gx]

Stop talking nonsense and bullcrap tinascott

[@thedoty5729]

The US government absolutely did learn from those horrific events. Only how to keep it quiet.

[@edvsilas8281]

@@thedoty57279 Today they not only know how to keep it secret but also how to control the narrative so that there are no secrets to hid since the lies becomes the only reality that the public sees . A reality void of truth .

[@philliphall5198]

It’s over, everyone suffering still but no to the snitching people

[@edvsilas8281]

@@philliphall5198 As for the Vietnam conflict , the US govrrnment and the MIC learned a lot . Firstly ,put a lid on it by controlling the press much better and secondly, get proxies to do the heavy lifting by dying for you . Resurrecting that old red menace domino theory is just perfect for Europe and the world by keeping the US as the white knight out to save the world .

[@nathan-ls8yw]

@@philliphall5198that’s called protecting your brothers and the code of brotherhood.

[@milangacik994]

They had psychopathic high commander who killed his own boss in 1963. What can you expect from such people...

[@potterj09]

What a strange atmosphere where you're protecting prisoners from your own guys. Imagine the paranoia.

[@lightningspirit2166]

How hypocritical is America, chasing down old ss...for war crimes...but turning a blind eye to their own war criminals ...!

[@jyellowhammer]

The U.S. was not chasing anyone after the War. That was what the Israelis were doing.

[@lightningspirit2166]

@@jyellowhammer you would say that, wouldn't you as well you know american regimes,have always supported israel even now in gazas genocide ....plus Vietnam,Philippines ,south America etc ..american govornments have directly financed...war crimes..in various ways especially oin removing socialist regimes or movements it did not like. America is the great satan,along with Russia, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia,and many corrupt eu countries...

[@GodBlessGary]

@@jyellowhammeryou must not know who owns America

[@pipsapossu1699]

History is written by the winners and so is the narrative.

[@lightningspirit2166]

@@jyellowhammer american jews

[@chriseaton7887]

Never underestimate the amount of cruelty one human can inflict on another human its sad

[@hermanripps3692]

or lies that can be told by American haters.

[@stevenginn5352]

@@hermanripps3692 Those who hate Americans have good reason! Like the people of Laos, Cambodia, Iraq, Iran Afghanistan, the Philippines, Indonesia, numerous South American countries, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Grenada, Dominican Republic, Somalia and many others who have had the Yank pestilence visited upon them! Americans have been liars and braggards for 300 years - Daniel Boorstin

[@chriseaton7887]

@hermanripps3692 what the government does does not reflect upon how a huge majority of the American population feels I wish their was a way of opening the eyes of the people who hate others for their skin color, religion, and so on

[@lejonleonard9312]

What you mean is WHITE "humans".

[@gdog3finally]

​@@hermanripps3692 Or the justification of atrocity by blind patriotic ignorance.

[@sylvialocker1653]

There is an Australian reporter jailed many a year for reporting atrocities like these😢

[@Jaiden_Anime_Shuns]

Yeah Australia isn't the best place for exposing corruption as the whole place came from Britain oppression. No freedom of speech im afraid

[@angelwings836]

What is the reporters name ?

[@michaelhmiles]

Doesn't Australia have Whistle-blower laws?

[@turbostyler]

David McBride

[@drnopatience9852]

Julian Assange

[@w.rustylane5650]

I'm a Marine & Vietnam vet and when I was there I heard stories of the atrocities the Americans were committing against the civilian population. The My Lai massacre was talked about quite a bit among sailors and Marines. Thank God I was in the air wing. Cheers from eastern TN

[@blainebunton]

Thank you KZbin for erasing my comments. I know what to save in my notes so I can spread it around. I appreciate your help

[@Ily_moar]

What was it?

[@harnessriscallous7466]

Just remember they can use that also to control you.

[@tblewis419]

You must have said something pretty bad KZbin doesn't edit much

[@harnessriscallous7466]

@@tblewis419 hahahahahahahahaha that's funny.

[@darksat6]

Hahaha same here. 9/10 of my comments get blocked. I must be on their list 😂

[@r.tothea.tother.4221]

The more i learn about history, the more im disgusted with "humanity". This is subhuman behavior. Pure evil.

[@rafaelrodriguez-vx6ck]

You should be like, more repulsive of the white man who entertained these acts and atrocities. Don hide behind the word , humanity.

[@mammolese2002]

Humanity? You mean America? Starting with the beast of Ronald Reagan, calling other countries evil.

[@zeberdee1972]

I hear what you say and sadly these things happen but it don't make it right . My Grandad fought a guerrilla war against the communists in Borneo , he said with a guerrilla war you had to hit the enemy ten times harder than they hit you to put the fear of God into them . This wasn't discriminate killings of civilians , no this was laying up for some times a week at a time watching the coming and goings of the enemy and more importantly their leaders . And once they knew the movements of them coming up with a way to kill them . Do that and it has the desired effect . After WW2 Britain controlled and policed Vietnam with British and Indian and Chindits and Japanese troops , they controlled this till the French wanted it back . So the common wealth troops pulled out and the Japanese were sent home and the French took over with much more troops and despite heroic fighting lost to a smaller force because of lack of a knowledge of guerrilla fighting . The rest is History and im not putting down the American Forces as they are very capable or the Koreans or Australians as they are capable as well . I just think by then the public opinion back home had shifted and they didn't want a war that they didn't understand . Sadly you will always get bad apples that will do the vilest of things but having never experienced such brutality of a war like that I feel I can't judge as I haven't experienced it . Not saying it's right but imagine seeing you mates killed or tortured and killed by an enemy and imagine the hatred that might well up ....after time it takes a strong person and of good morals not to do the worst .

[@nguyenvu4582]

@@zeberdee1972 you and others should search internet to read "Vietnam why did we go" by Avro Manhattan in order to understand the root of Vietnam War.

[@lordoftherings999]

Don't ever search what Japanese did in China and colonies. It is so sickening that makes Vlad the Impaler look like a good guy. It was truly the peak of human horror (enough to scare the Nazi, no joke).

[@EVLfreak666]

This is a good reason to never get involved in other countries problems.

[@alexkx8599]

We have lost our moral and just wars on purpose the last 70 years and now Communism is in all our institutions because we did not stop it over seas and now genocide is happening all over the Western Hemisphere with the clot shots and YOU and I now have no one to turn to for help. How is that working?

[@deeruiz3082]

😂

[@lukilladog]

No empire lasts forever.

[@NavidKhan84]

You guys create them on the first place then go for intervention…it’s a great way of amping conflict and keep war continuous for weapon sales which is your countries gdp earner

[@dotoko1998]

You don't know what communism is - it died decades ago.@@alexkx8599

[@kennetharntson5912]

I served in Vietnam between 1967-68 and can truly save I served honorably. Never did I do anything that I would ever be ashamed of doing. I have been back to Vietnam twice and and actually felt happy. I was surprised to often here the Vietnamese say the war was over and only have time to forget. I was alwas treated with kindness and friendship better than what I have heard some veterans have said about the Vietnameas.

[@EdwinColon-dw1kq]

Thank you for your service salute sir🪖🇺🇸 had to correct my words.

[@catherinea6690]

You shouldn't go in first place. Why invading other countries!!

[@bugwild1544]

Did you See some Americans soldiers do a war crime?

[@kennetharntson5912]

@bugwild1544 The war crimes done in Vietnam were all done by the United States government. They were the one that started the war. They were the ones that drafted kids and sent them into a war against people that were never a threat to America. And today it is the United States government that is destroying the United States.

[@rias.gremoryyy]

​@@bugwild1544the fact that they were there in the first place should count as a war crime

[@michaelrodriguez253]

No politicians will never learn

[@martinalarcon3108]

Didn’t George w bush ? Did the same while him and Chaney got rich through Halliburton 😮😢 ?

[@graybeard763]

It’s disturbing that no one was ever held accountable for these acts of cruelty

[@naeemdin3606]

It's disturbing but I'm not surprised even today USA could be held for war crimes.

[@garywemmer9342]

Take a bite, leftist.

[@unclescipio3136]

@@garywemmer9342 remember when Republicans weren't full-on fascist pussies? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[@KillerQueenforblood]

@@garywemmer9342leftist or not, war is absolutely hell. No soldiers should committed a vicious crime against humanity and label as “I was just following orders.”

[@petemcpeterson6205]

​@@KillerQueenforbloodthat's why the US will never win another war.

[@marvinc9994]

A classic example of American 'exceptionalism'. When foreigners commit atrocities, it's Barbarism. But when Uncle Sam's boys do so, it's Expediency. And anyone thinking _this_ is bad, should get himself a copy of Douglas Valentine's excellent (but highly disturbing) _The Phoenix Program_ .

[@colsmith7257]

Please don't liberate my homeland.

[@marcblank3036]

You hear anything about the cruelty and crimes of the other side? Nope, left wing media only have morality standards for the American standards. What can we expect when young boys with guns are let lose?

[@johndooley5482]

YET THERE WAS WARRANT OFFICER Thompson that tried to stop the killings at My Lai saving over 500 civilians. He even trained his gunship s on the US troops telling them to stop the killing. Cally, Madina and others should have been charged with war crimes but Thompson was courtmarshalled and shunned. Sad. TELL THE WHOLE STORY!!

[@marvinc9994]

@@colsmith7257 "Please don't liberate my homeland." Nope - far better to stay spiritually imprisoned within the Great American Myth!

[@barryrammer7906]

America is superior to all of you in every sector of life. You're a little jealous aren't you.

[@JohnCopp-mr8pg]

Well-researched and well presented. I've been researching the psychology of war for a long time, and this is invaluable information. Thanks.

[@Aarminmusic]

Whats wierd is that if you openly talk about this with Americans and the atrocities they did in Vietnam, Iraq etc they get super mad and defensive. Still no people went to jail for killing millions of civilians. Absolutly insane that we want to imprison other leaders for crimes during wars but we in the west get away with it.

[@Encourageable]

What country are you from?

[@harnessriscallous7466]

​@@Encourageablewhat country is worse than the us on this? Besides maybe Israel but they're babies and basically just a us vassal state.

[@beingsentient]

@@harnessriscallous7466 No, the US is an Israeli vassal state.

[@gmain1977]

Exactly , The West are racist

[@mikemitchell8329]

Because your reading or hearing or guess you know what your talking about, if you were not there you got hear say

[@seanfahey3600]

No, I think they will always try to cover up atrocities.

[@54living]

So, continue atrocities. Where are ICJ and ICC??? LOL!@curtislockhart7152

[@leoniegureghian7156]

These aren’t even close to the atrocities committed by the CIA, then & even now …

[@PraiseOnMyLips]

It’s the American Way

[@flyingo]

The storys I heard from several men who had “served” in ‘Nam, many I had considered my friends (they’re all gone now), would curl your hair and send shivers down your spine.. much, MUCH worse than examined in this video. Hearing the accounts certainly did so to me. I used to feel bad that I had been “too young for Vietnam and too old for Desert Storm”, because my father and uncle had proudly served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam, but in hindsight I’m glad I never had to kill or be killed in armed conflicts anywhere in the world, as I never had to be involved in any branch of the US military. My sympathy goes out to right-minded individuals who were forced to “suck it up” and stay quiet. No wonder so many suffered PTSD for the rest of their lives.

[@jimmymags6516]

It's easy to judge others . We have no idea how we would have acted in those conditions .

[@lauropadron3199]

For centuries nothing ever change, so who's can we as people point the finger to?, so everyone stays blind and deaf from reality as the world justified killing in wars for their masters don't matter what side of the coin are fighting for.

[@erickelleher3911]

​@@jimmymags6516yep

[@jackwilson4722]

My advice to all of you..dont shed to many tears..in the future you going to have to man up and arm up...every man woman and even kids going to be in a struggle..bible claims it going to last seven years and at the end of it only five hundred million left in the world...if you dont have weapons buy some...ohhh welll..we will see..not going to comment on the stupid video...god will sort out good from bad...

[@vitusyu658]

AND WW3 IS COMING !

[@AngelaKellsenweter]

War is terrible on both sides. Usually we don't hear this side so it's eye opening to the realities of what goes on in war.

[@majorphenom1]

Thanks for sharing 🙏🏾 Prayers out for those trying to recover from the passing of their loved ones 🕊️ Prayers out for those trying to recover from trauma 🕊️

[@robertanderson2370]

My father was LRP for the 24th Infantry from '65 to '68. Ironically, he signed up in '64 right out of high school to escape the trauma of an abusive alcoholic father. My childhood is filled with events where he would drink hard at night to try to calm his nerves, and then begin to recount events in a jumble. His mind was broken by the horror, and the meth those guys were issued. We cannot learn from war, because civilians cannot understand what war is; and the same people who put us there don't wish for any kind of a reckoning for what they did.

[@jimmymags6516]

Sorry that your whole family had to go through that tough time . In my opinion your Dad, and all that fought are heroic .

[@nupraptorthementalist3306]

​@jimmymags6516 I don't think warcrimers are typically heroic; all of them presumably are botched somehow , psychopathic, or ideologically possessed. Perhaps there are exceptions, but I think the two aspects of warcrime and heroism are generally irreconcilable, if not necessarily irreconcilable.

[@jimmymags6516]

@@nupraptorthementalist3306 You're assuming this man was a war criminal ?

[@nupraptorthementalist3306]

@jimmymags6516 I don't know who you're talking about, because I wasn't talking about anyone specifically but perpetrators of warcrimes generally. Nonsense.

[@jimmymags6516]

@@nupraptorthementalist3306 I referred to the father of the first post as " heroic " . You replied by saying war criminals are not heroic , So I concluded that you were referring to him .

[@christophercochran5883]

My father Jerry Lee Cochran commanded an army ammunition depot. He didn't talk about Vietnam

[@mjames4709]

Did he go?

[@29.nguyenminhnhut2]

Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone. + Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America) + I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history (China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the Iam vietnam, War is in the past and it brings us a valuable lesson that War is hell, war does not bring any happiness. Vietnam will let go of all the past. Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone in the world. Vietnam doesn't hate anyone. + Hope Trump gets elected in 2024 and liberates Plastine and makes friends with Russia again (Good luck America) + I want everyone to develop and be peaceful, not because of history +(China, Russia, America, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos , plastine...... everyone) everyone on the earth is peaceful and developed ++( ❤free plastine ❤)++ + trump 2024 good luck American

[@jyellowhammer]

@@29.nguyenminhnhut2 agreed!

[@economyofmotion]

This is important. Well done

[@PatchAttack666]

Im a 2nd gen vietnamese american, my parents would tell me about the war crimes they have witnessed or were subjected to and it just fucking makes me want to puke

[@frankcooke3859]

It's too painful to watch anymore, and I'm not Vietnamese. 😢

[@gmain1977]

Exactly, and a black was amongst the culprits, Mohammed Ali was right not to go

[@Cacowninja]

You can care for anyone regardless of your demographic or those you care about demographic.

[@memonk11]

In Vietnam there were free fire zones. Soldiers were told that you kill ANYTHING alive in a free fire zone.

[@mikeveis6393]

It's true

[@davidcockrill7115]

In 1969, I helped move civilians out of their villages so the Viet Cong could not use them as a source of food and hide among them. Anyone found in these areas were assumed to be the enemy and could be killed without getting permission to fire on them. Thus these areas were declared free fire zones. Therefore the routes of the NVA and VC were cut off from the rest of South Vietnam. General Sherman and General Grant used this tactic during the Civil War against the Confederates -- no one called it murder during the 1860s. 14:28

[@memonk11]

@@davidcockrill7115 I'm not condemning any Vietnam Vet. But... what you wrote about Grant and Sherman is complete nonsense.

[@barryrammer7906]

​@@davidcockrill7115thank you for your service. Saving civilians in that time. Your a hero we honor your service. Whatever the peacenicks say. They hate you me and America. Forget these people they never served a day in thier miserable lives, to anything or anybody. They don't understand what a buddy is they have no idea. We do let them go to hell.

[@bernardoblanco4286]

​@@davidcockrill7115 You didnt helped move out you forced reolocated civilians as a response to an popular insurgence agaisnt your neocolonial rule and them later proceded to mass murder anyone that managed to not participate on those reolocations, 11 million vietnamese became internaly displaced cause of your country criminal policies

[@atfbproductions7458]

Honestly don't feel bad for any Tigers lost who had taken part in such atrocities, you can't be the good guy when you're doing the same thing as the bad guys simple as that.

[@demsandlibsareswinecancer4667]

And you served????........ oh you didn't. So it's easy to be the moral Superior when you've never been anywhere or done anything and are just sitting behind a keyboard touching yourself into a nut coma.

[@Theole6.6]

No one asked or cares about your civilian opinion

[@demsandlibsareswinecancer4667]

Only simple to a chimp who's never been anywhere or done anything.

[@someguy872]

@@Theole6.6 No one asked or cares about yours, Theo.

[@pipsapossu1699]

There are no good or bad guys. only you and the opfor.

[@galexeqe]

Read a book about a Brit who joined the US military and served in Vietnam, he was given the opportunity of joining Tiger Force or the Long Range Recon Patrol (LRRP's), he joined the LRRP's. According to his book, they were comprised of a 4 man group for the purpose of gathering intelligence with the emphasis on *not* being spotted or engaging the enemy if possible, whereas Tiger Force were the brutal military force that would use the LRRP's gathered intelligence to hammer the enemy I can't remember what he said about Tiger Force's ethos during Vietnam, but he did say that Tiger Force's losses were amazingly higher compared to the limited casualty rates of the LRRP's. The book is called *Fortune Favors The Bold* by James Walker

[@lucproost783]

Never underestimate group pressure / behaviour.

[@subicstationditosailor4053]

My father served in Vietnam in the Brown water Navy. It took him 30 years to finally drink himself to death to stop the memories of his atrocities.

[@milangacik994]

What goes around comes around.

[@boobietassels6665]

@@milangacik994 same goes for you dork

[@MamaofaWrestler]

​@milangacik994 exactly, and he didn't describe what his father thought his atrocities were. Many Vets hated having to just shoot at the other side just like the VC were doing to us!

[@GordonMcElvany]

Very sorry about that, but was he forced to go to war. Jesus said Thou shall not kill.

[@CroatZg]

"Carried a bag of vinegar to replace the rotting ears with fresh ones"... Wtf... Jesus Christ!

[@zero-se6se]

This is what war is. You will lose reasons overtime and things will turned ugly really fast.

[@lbreithart]

Absolutely disgusting what humans do to other humans…

[@MicheleLLOYD-bk2mt]

Truly, we are created in gods image ……..

[@asmitasinha6547]

H That's what Christian Crusades and Evagalism is

[@swampthing8277]

There's a special place in hell for people like this

[@MicheleLLOYD-bk2mt]

@@swampthing8277 sadly not

[@flechette3782]

Don't blame all of humanity for the actions of a few. If you think about it, such thinking only absolves those who committed the crimes as they are equated with the rest of us.

[@yodasmomisondrugs7959]

My dad was drafted and was a LRRP from 67' to 69' before he was wounded a second time for good and was sent home. I saw his discharge papers and he had some crazy badass training including top secret clearance. He was connected to these guys over all, as they were all LRRP's but as far as I know from the stories he'll talk about how he was just out with his unit to scout. And when he does talk about any engagements its always with watery eyes and a smile I think he uses to hide the pain. He has a Bronze and Silver Star, Distinguished Service Medal, two Purple Hearts, and all the other medals he earned on his way up to First Sergent. He was the one who talked me out of not joining up and following in his footsteps after 9/11.....I am sooooo grateful I listened to his heartfelt plea about about not serving in those conflicts to come knowing what we know now about them. He said something was very off with the way the US Government was reacting to a group of terrorist like they were a large standing army and then wanted Saddam. Guess from experience he could smell the MIC's stink all over it.

[@n.h.moreno]

Intense stuff. I read a lot of Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky and lots of activists accounts of Vietnam/SouthAmerica---and when I was 23, I was confronted by Air Force recruiters and Marines one year I told ALL OF THEM that I had no desire to help the US maintain and sustain a horrific warzone.... They argued a bit....the marines. But, they cannot force you or make you join.

[@manoman0]

Still fighting wars you have nothing to do with in lands that are not yours killing people you don't know, huh.

[@yodasmomisondrugs7959]

@@manoman0 Tf are you gettin on about bud? Go work on those reading comprehension skills please.

[@hulamei3117]

Bless your dad!

[@user-rp1tf4kv7o]

God bless him and thank him for his service and hos sacrifice!

[@DonNoDraper]

I’m not a soldier but in my career I get to see the worst in people everyday and every night and it starts to consume you as well. You really have to find a balance to keep your sanity.

[@tomaslundell4842]

Did you not take that career volonterly or have some body force you??🤒🤕💩💯

[@TheJohhnyrotten]

As one Vietnam veteran once said "The best recruitment incentive for the Vietcong were the actions of the US army in that conflict"

[@ckh2815]

Why were so many Vietnamese families and children threatened and forced into fighting?

[@tonyolivari2480]

The Nazi's called the Russians subhuman, the Americans called the Vietnamese Gooks. Bot the Germans and the Americans were soundly beaten which is a good lesson that if you don't respect your enemy you underestimate them

[@JSchaffer214]

Let's not pretend like atrocities didn't exist on both sides. Sadly, that's usually how war is fought.

[@anonymousfreedom1253]

@@JSchaffer214Don’t remember Vietnamese marching through USA and killing civilians out of frustration or anger.

[@johnpoe8576]

Collateral damage is a thing that bugs me the most about my combat service

[@saikyomogresurrect]

So get out, AWOL cuz nobody feels thankful for a useless service

[@Sinister12C]

I’d be more worried about Karma !

[@drokles]

The term collateral damage is a euphemism invented with the intent to trivialize the killing of uninvolved civilians. If it bothers you then please don't use that term.

[@Sydopath]

@@droklesCall it what it really is - Babies, Children, women and old men. People who don’t know what violence means, and can’t defend themselves.

[@DaveHesterYUUUUUUUP]

​@@drokles have you even seen combat ?

[@Galitsapwd]

what happened back then isnt far away from what is happening today

[@Sinister12C]

Worse

[@jshdelarosa]

It's mostly kids now

[@jwdundon]

Kamala Harris and Joe Biden forced the war in Ukraine. You think it's any different today?

[@jamesdeluca6657]

Lol 😂

[@Sinister12C]

@@jamesdeluca6657 nothin funny about it !

[@user-ul4wy2lx2m]

War is ugly and our boys can choose to be very ugly indeed.

[@AndScrambledEggs]

They were normal men before war, horror, and fear changed them. People are uncomfortable with the idea that normal people can reach the point that they're capable of these things.

[@user-jt5ub7vc4g]

Was on the DMZ my entire tour of duty. No civilians to deal with in almost 90% of my AO's. Never saw any atrocities, very few booby traps as the NVA were progressing south thru the same areas we were in. We fought the NVA no VC to deal with so it wasn't like we didn't know who we were shooting at. Fortunately the few villages that I was involved with we didn't have any problems or fire fights. I was a Marine Grunt and within a few months being in country I knew the war was a big mistake.

[@user-ch3jb3zm8j]

They did their job keep all this private your a stirrer

[@JohnRyan-gr8bs]

Most veterans bieve the same as you about that ear We killed 2 million

[@heyjoe9228]

I was told american Soldiers was mostly on cease-fire and couldn't shoot back or they would of been court-martialed I was also told they had kids running up on american soldiers with live Handgrenades blowing them self up and trying to blow up our troops

[@Jdub6580]

You guys deserved a hero's welcome. Whatever happened over there wasn't your fault (with the exception of psychos like the ones covered above), y'all were just American boys obeying orders: just like in WW2, WW1, Korea, the civil war and the revolution. It's absolutely shitty, the way the media and the mis-led public treated our boys coming back home, back then. I appreciate YOU, and almost every other one of our Vietnam veterans. The politics (In a way) have nothing to do with your heroism and willingness to say yessir. No matter what year it is, the act of following one's duty honorably for the sake of one's fellow countrymen is commendable and it has nothing to do with what the politicians are trying to do because that's not a soldier's business unless they're telling you to atack American citizens.

[@papirojo4228]

My FIL was drafted. He managed to get into the 7th Cav and spent almost his entire overseas tour in Germany. I believe he said he was part of a tank crew, but spent a lot of time transporting evac’d injured and processing KIA’s. He lucked out. Two of his high school buddies were KIA.

[@rikers263]

And these people were allowed back into the streets... scary.

[@DrewDipsy]

My grandfather was in the war. The amount of people with LOW IQs that were in sqauds was absurd. This was a war we shouldn't of been involved in were his words

[@Tune-O-matic]

" War is when the government tells you who the enemy is... Revolution is when you decide that for yourself" -- Ben Franklin

[@4riversgd]

So sad the suffering that was placed on the Vietnamese people. War crimes should never be acceptable.

[@edvsilas8281]

How many Americans paid for the war crimes in Nam ? Curious that the US were never accused of any war crimes ever ?

[@edvsilas8281]

And when Americans go to Vietnam and demand support against China ,The Vietnamese tell them that they aren't interested . At the very least , the Vietnamese have learned to keep a healthy distance from the US . Hallelujah !

[@butchsilk3145]

There was much more after we left Vietnam. Check your history.

[@4riversgd]

@@butchsilk3145 Very sad.

[@edvsilas8281]

@@butchsilk3145 You must mean all the birth defects coming from the agent orange and the napalm contamination during the following decades . The birth defects numbered into the millions . America should pay dearly for the pain it has caused in the world .

[@Truthseeker20]

And they wondering why people fight back with this kind of brutality and savagery...

[@badian37]

I read the book. What people do not realize is that Sam Ybarra decapitated that baby! He was pure evil and my father flew helicopters in this war! He was shot down 3 times and told me that "Some guys....took it too far and went off the deep end." He always told me, "I hope to God you do not find out what war really is!"

[@dgilchrist6361]

Why are you showing an image of WWII Marines with Japanese skulls on a video supposedly about Vietnam?

[@joedavidson6556]

There’s a book on this, named Tiger Force. It’s a great book and worth checking out for anybody that hasn’t read it.

[@Bamboohugger]

Can't read books like that anymore , I already have low confidence in the human race

[@tylerthompson1842]

@@Bamboohuggersame ever since we had our first child that type of content gives me horrible anxiety I get physically ill

[@Durham.Reality]

My Uncle helped write that book and was a major contributor as a 327th TigerForce Veteran. He has since passed away, but I speak with Mike Sallah every few years.

[@bradparker9664]

@@Bamboohugger yeah after nearly 20 years as a patrol officer, I'm in the same boat.

[@WildlifeWarrior-cr1kk]

@@Bamboohugger I don't just a bad people

[@donnajohnson9324]

No wonder a lot of the soldiers didn't want to talk about what happened there, because they were ashamed 😔

[@user-xz5qi7wq1u]

That's what bothers me the most.... they shouldn't feel shame this government should feel shame for what they did these men

[@ramsshelbs6536]

@@user-xz5qi7wq1una they should feel shame because when we stand in front of god we can’t use the excuse “I was just taking orders” not even your government will save you. Nice try tho smh

[@johnmorales4501]

Bullshit!! 95 % of the men who served in combat in Vietnam served honorably!! We don't like to talk about because we see the faces of those that died or were disfigured while fighting along side us. Those that boast about what they did or saw usually did either. Were there psychopaths, atrocities yes committed by a handful!! Don't put us all in one basket.

[@johnmorales4501]

I'm damned proud of my service!!And the shame we felt was because of the treatment we received from our fellow citizens when we came home. That's why we don't talk about it.

[@jarhead1199]

​@@johnmorales4501spot on Brother, Welcome Home.

[@bananaboiii9965]

"Hell is empty and all the devils are here"

[@ericwhitehead6451]

War is hell. Sometimes things are better left unsaid.

[@SongSwan]

The crime was sending men to a place they had no business being in,to sacrifice their lives for nothing

[@gino3286]

well not for nothing really The war moved 1 trillions in today $ from tax payers pockets to other people pockets Many got profit from the war Others died

[@MalteseKat]

Those men committed atrocities. Then they came back. ☠️

[@gino3286]

Not for nothing For money

[@bobbys4327]

@@gino3286 $$$$ for LBJ and crew

[@RoganRogers]

War is truly hell. There is no war without atrocities. People should remember that when they start them.

[@jz9109]

Was Jon Pernell Roberts in the Tiger Force Unit ? Iam asking because of his story in the American Desperado book

[@ivoted7199]

I know a Man that was under orders to kill anyone (anyone) that saw him (and his crew) They were ordered to remain in country post war to report any/all enemy movements. I cried when he told me this story - his eyes spoke more than his words. He still suffers with PTSD to this day...

[@davidlarkin7864]

I'm 9th 0

[@HenriHattar]

I remember this guy..he kiklled Kennedy didn't he?

[@benjaminvilla5727]

He still will have to answer to the Almighty for what he did!

[@HenriHattar]

So he is never gonna get punished ---pity.@@benjaminvilla5727

[@jeffmiller9798]

​@@benjaminvilla5727He will lift his eyes up in Hell

[@Joe-wo7rg]

We had no business over there.

[@mckessa17]

Those who went to Canada did the right thing.

[@Joe-wo7rg]

@@mckessa17 I have mixed feelings about that.

[@Bellabaddi]

We had no business being in Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere else for that matter. Nobody is attacking us, if they don’t want democracy, that’s their business! No one but our current gov, the WEF, NATO, Soros or Gates are trying to destroy our country, it’s constitution and way of life.

[@gregpeterson3144]

just like Iraq, Afghanistan...

[@Joe-wo7rg]

@@gregpeterson3144 I agree

[@fooliecoolie5284]

Either die hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Those men became worse than the monsters they were sent out there to hunt.

[@davidgill8996]

War so often destroys a persons humanity.

[@mrnexus8seven949]

Nice to see "allied" war crimes being exposed for once. Overdue.

[@philliphall5198]

Point less video, just to keep the pain and hate going for years 😢😢😢

[@mrnexus8seven949]

@@philliphall5198 Well, it's history, not pointless per se but I understand what you mean.

[@Cynsham]

@@philliphall5198It’s not pointless. The only thing that would be pointless is pretending these atrocities didn’t happen so that future generations live in ignorance of history.

[@andredeketeleastutecomplex]

Agreed.

[@catherineharris4746]

Such atrocities still happening to this day with nothing being done about it, just like all the comments talking about what should or should've happened, but are all useless word's which makes them pointless, a beautiful planet covered/infested with deadly evil people😔

[@danilaurin3633]

Lot of horror stories came out of Vietnam. I was infantry in Nam. Discover that if you treat villagers with respect even tho you knew they were VC at night. It raised your chances of survivial. It saved my life but killed my Dad back in the world.

[@mitsos306ify]

This video makes clear that evil is not an exclusive characteristic of one side in war...

[@jimmymitchell7858]

I’m a Vietnam veteran the atrocities of war are always going to happen and happen on both sides I saw enough to know war doesn’t solve anything but the problem is the greed of mankind always takes over our and pushes people past common sense. These men saw horrific crimes being committed against themselves so they 0:41 committed crimes against others it’s a very vicious cycle. Until you have been there and lived in it. It’s hard to understand. The term war is hell is so true.

[@Jack-vt6cw]

Finally someone with some godamn sense has made a comment.

[@Jack-vt6cw]

Thank you for your service God bless

[@BANDERSJR]

Glad you made it home. What was done is done. I hope the rest of the times in your life have been in relative peace.

[@bugwild1544]

You right but remember if someone act like the Devil and you do the same then you are acting like the Devil to did you do a war crime?

[@DewskyDillshineMoonpickle]

That doesn't justify anything. Those men should have been put in prison for war crimes. But America never punishes it's own soldiers for them I guess.

[@Kuvvvqingqunnn]

Not surprise. It's currently still going on.

[@aimeekubik8803]

Where humans live, the propensity for savagery exists. We are a savage race.

[@serdavosseaworth6115]

@@aimeekubik8803yes, there are no “good guys” or “bad guys” there is only human nature.

[@bobbys4327]

always has and always will

[@JacquelineSamm68]

Bless the souls of those Tigers who didn't take part in the atrocities and those who were courageous enough to stand up against it.

[@phoenixkarlaz]

Where's your communist pride flag ?

[@JacquelineSamm68]

@@phoenixkarlaz I'm waving a flag to you 🖕

[@jayzrat]

@@phoenixkarlazWe were the invaders ass-wipe. How would you like it if it were reversed.

[@tonykirby9574]

Surely you know that narrated trash was a dream of some NON SERVING pencil neck. 😮

[@mistertwist]

​@@phoenixkarlazwhat a dumbo 🥴

[@ozmoses2011]

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing !! " - Edmund Burke

[@mtthwpnn]

"History doesn't repeat itself (but it DOES rhyme)"

[@hvrtguys]

I had a friend who was involved in the atrocities. He blew his brains out with a shotgun. That was 40 years ago. I think that the military selected him to interrogate people because he had a breathtaking ability to recall any event with uncanny accuracy.

[@MrAzwipe]

A corrupt govt got us into that war, and ALL other wars. The only criminals are those that put us there and gave Tiger their instructions. As a soldier, there are few rules. You are there to do 1 thing and do it better than your opposition. To fail is fatal. You have to shock the brutal, if you want to win.

[@Weekend-Traveller]

No tears to be shed for your friend though

[@nupraptorthementalist3306]

Do you think the suicide was directly because of the warcrimes?

[@danielpetrucci8952]

I dont feel sorry for your friend Glory To the Russian FEDERATION 🇷🇺🇷🇺

[@ricknelms]

Ukraine !@@danielpetrucci8952

[@johnmorales4501]

Having served in recon and as NCOIC of the battalion sniper team you soon find how quickly psychopaths surface. There are reasons people volunteer for these units not all of them good. I served under LTC D Hackworth in 1968 while running a recon platoon with the 9th division can't say I enjoyed it!!

[@stevenginn5352]

Hackworth was a real psychopath!

[@truthseeker2321]

We are all psychopaths to a degree, but some go all out. Those types usually drink or drug themselves to death later on or eat a self- served bullet. I joined the Army in 1981, but I was warned by the Vietnam veterans I knew. They all said that I had better know what I was getting into before signing up. I am grateful my whole 8 years of service was in peacetime.

[@JohnRyan-gr8bs]

When did you realize that was r was unsinkable and we should not be there?

[@Rebel-Rouser]

Hack was a excellent combat leader! Most all the men who served under him loved him.

[@Rebel-Rouser]

How do you figure? Thats an idiotic statement...@@stevenginn5352

[@dailystuff3449]

Good thing sharing.

[@jimmybest5404]

My Uncle James Gormley was in 1/327 101st Airborne 67-68 was KIA on 2/24/1968 28 days left in his tour.

[@Teutathis]

In case you're wondering, the events in this video and similar events were the reason for the swedish government saying hell no to the Swedish K being used in Vietnam and slapped an export ban on it immediately.

[@narajuna]

Between 1965 and 1975, the United States and its allies dropped more than 7.5 million tons of bombs on Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia-double the amount dropped on Europe and Asia during World War II. And there was LAOS...

[@georgehays4900]

What the hell is a Swedish K? I am assuming a knife but I try to never assume.

[@georgehays4900]

Carl Gustav m45 sub machine gun from wiki university

[@johnbooth3073]

@@georgehays4900 It was a submachine gun used by Swedish army. American special forces used it when they worked over the border in Laos, Cambodia and North Vietnam. Politically deniable soldiers and weapons.

[@nwofoe2866]

and then there was Bangladesh. If everybody only knew.@@narajuna

[@user-fm5nz8wf8j]

Man, I just watched a World War II documentary on the German soldiers killing innocent Jews "just following orders" and we defeated the Nazis but became as bloodthirsty as them during the Vietnam War

[@lelouche812]

And in Iraq, Libya, Guantanamo, Cuba, Algeria, Ukraine, Japan, and many many more .

[@guitarscadillacshillbillym5344]

It seems to commonplace the world over when human beings are exposed to combat for long enough.

[@smoqueed44]

Did you actually watch it? Because then holocaust was a consistent effort at genocide, not wartime psychopathy.

[@user-fm5nz8wf8j]

@@smoqueed44Yes, though I believe the German soldiers were brainwashed into doing it but, in America's case, they were just trigger-happy and overeager to fight. That's the best answer I could give ya

[@bobdollaz3391]

Jews aren't "innocent"

[@michastachowiak778]

To answer the question "do you think the US government has learned its lesson about covering up atrocities?", I would say I certainely hope not. If there is a lesson to be learned from the story you told, it is that the US government can get away with covering up war crimes and not prosecuting the wrongdoers on a whim, which is a mortifying idea.

[@catherineharris4746]

Such evil that continues to this very day😷

[@Faris-Alzalam19]

"War... War never changes" - Storytellers from Fallout.

[@ishredder4006]

Damn how many episodes have they dedicated to US war crimes alone, still hasn't covered half of it.

[@Fittafella27]

You do realize alot of countries are responsible for much worse? Like China Japan Russia Britain the list is kinda staggering tbh let's just agree we humans are savages in general

[@Dorae-ur-mom]

Even 1/10th of it

[@stephenmccagg]

Almost like that's all they want to do, is it truth they're exposing or is this just liberal politics demonizing those who served?

[@OGC1970]

Seems selective when you put it that way… somebody’s gots agendas

[@Gertieness]

YT is going to need a whole nother subcategory for Russia's atrocities

[@DonNoDraper]

My uncle was in this war I nvr bring it up to him just glad he made it back home. My grandmother kept all his letters and stuff he sent home but no one evr tlks about it so I just left it at tht.

[@timkis64]

i've known some old guys who served in vietnam.the inhuman things they did to civilians & children deeply troubled them as they aged & reviewed their lives, prior to their own passing.but i cant pass judgement, i wasnt there & in their shoes at the time.they said it was kill or BE KILLED.

[@AdventureIndiana]

I often wonder what kind of man I would be in these terrible situations. Would I have been a murderer in tiger force? Would I have been a Nazi, would I have owned a slave? I hope I would have been a moral man.

[@janetmalcolm6191]

A moral man can live with his conscience but you are often given orders that leave you very little choice. My father said in WW2 they were ordered to shoot deserters Their own side. They all aimed to miss. He said what else could you do?

[@bcaching1442]

I would try to get the fuck out of the situation. Throughout history a lot of men had this idea. Hence the nice term you 'are' a 'deserter' was invented.

[@johnacord5664]

I am one of the lucky ones who went over there during the wind down. I did not have to fire a shot in anger at anyone. I have always known that war has never been a "Gentleman's Sport"

[@crabtrap]

i know a young kid that was in the Navy in 2000's he ferried a few SEALS ashore as part of his duties. two officers did not show up for several hours so he went to the small village they were visiting and found the the 2 SEAL officers raping what he claimed was a 13-14yold . he was told to to never speak of it. months later he came back stateside on RR and went AWOL. he had just had a daughter born the year before and said he'd never go back to that corruption. Navel intelligence found him when he got a DUI. the made the local police release him no questions asked, gave him and honorable discharge and $3000 hush money. i confirmed his story with 1 dispatcher and 1 Cop from the dept. even they didn't know how he was just released with no charges or military extraditions.

[@bobbys4327]

@@bcq6154 thank you

[@crabtrap]

@@bcq6154 not bullshit. And confirmed events by 2 LEO that processed the guy.

[@crabtrap]

@@bobbys4327 true and confirmed story

[@Jim-on8bz]

He completed his contract and didn't re enlist

[@crabtrap]

@@Jim-on8bz no he didnt he was a 20yold bar customer and local guy. He joined because he got his girl preg. Which i met her too, pre-enlistment. Also the police dispatcher was a customer/friend. She varified the story months later and was shocked that i knew about it as the dept was supposed to keep it conifidential. Also the guy never once tried to play up the SEAL part like he was one or a 'bad-ass', he made that clear. His duties (officially was a Machinists Mate) was to ferry personall to shore on a small craft, for various local noncombat duties/assignments. He was also moved to tears when conveying the moment he knew what the men were upto as he was a new father of a daughter at the time (a few months old).

[@lesterandrews1894]

i wish i’d be the kind of man that would stand up against these things. but i believe i would have behaved cruel just like them. not because i am evil , but because I’m weak , ,, i thank God that i never faced such things ,

[@mdtalhaansari1096]

Calling people enemy combatants because of scarves and there being "no innocent civilians there"! They remain exactly the same people to this day.

[@Him_He_Me]

This is a good example to show the depravity and breakdown of the human condition when there is no guidence of conscience or human dignity.

[@redkurn]

i question how far you'd go to preserve your life... say whatever comes to mind and then do anything to live in the same situation these men found themselves... doubtful your own comment and thoughts would stop your own depravity in that outcome.

[@scottwarnes]

Is everyone buying into this nonsense

[@Jack-vt6cw]

Exactly. It's called a WAR. That's what's happens in a WAR

[@seerstone8982]

I'm almost 65 I have always liked history. When I was younger I talked with lots of WWII vets. I'm not interested in talking to Vietnam vets.

[@theresaserentas9088]

I like to imagine that since first world war, second and up to the present, billions of lives have suffered the brutality of war.

[@Kededian]

And its still happening... and no one is held accountable.

[@JazzFunkNobby1964]

It's the people at the top who should be held accountable not their implements of death and destruction. The pen is mightier than the sword.

[@peterzinia3767]

So you would have no problem facing off against an opponent that has a sharp pointed sword with just a pen in your hand? Good luck their."Mighty Dead" is how you'd end up if the other guy knew how to fight with a sword.

[@JazzFunkNobby1964]

You are obviously uneducated.@@peterzinia3767

[@sylvesteruchia5263]

This is kinda crazy. Why ? How do you go from regular guy to literally being a serial civilian killer.

[@hurricane7727]

Being in a War and Mass Killing Enemy Combatants. In Call of Duty 4 someone did a Kill Count and the Playable Character Sgt Paul Jackson Killed 408 Arabian Soldiers

[@el_ra]

Men at war are told to do horrible things , there is no way they can live a normal life after that! Not only are the mentally affected but if they have families this abuse is projected on them! Becomes a cycle So sad!

[@mikeveis6393]

Don't forget the Mi Li massacre, which was a pogrom. To this day, I've never forgiven the US government for that act of murder, and I never will.

[@tabo01]

for every massacre that go exposed, there were 10 that got covered up

[@johndooley5482]

YET THERE WAS WARRANT OFFICER Thompson that tried to stop the killings at My Lai saving over 500 civilians. He even trained his gunship s on the US troops telling them to stop the killing. Cally, Madina and others should have been charged with war crimes but Thompson was courtmarshalled and shunned. Sad. TELL THE WHOLE STORY!!

[@barryrammer7906]

If you only knew. It makes your blood boil.❤

[@TezTez-dj9ci]

How about the mass genocide of the Ukrainian population on the orders of the Zionist occupied government, and who are we going to see replace that population , the most evil species of fake human ,and the country being stolen, having provoked Russia into doing the dirty work

[@bobdollaz3391]

Then you should really hate Mao , He killed far more