Heir 4 - Sixx (Link) vs TSM RB | Leffen (Fox) - MELEE SINGLES - WINNERS QUARTERFINALS

[@jimmyrustle8618]

takes leffen to last stock in 2/3 games while playing link? id be leaving that venue with my head held high.

[@TheDobleQ]

Also, he wasn't wavedashing.

[@pearlywhites3025]

Leonel Remille 7:59 wavedash

[@rykeerodriguez9559]

PsyK Films Waveland. None out of shield or in neutral though

[@steakmode]

Leonel Remille lol yes he was were u even watching

[@RobertGarcia-wo8ez]

Ethan Scott tbh I'd be proud to leave after getting 3-0'd by Leffen

[@SixxLink]

Well...next time i´ll play better...this wasn´t a good performance from my point of view

[@memog.4910]

Don't give up, Hero of Time.

[@austinpelletier8620]

From my point of view you play a low tier character and went last stock 2/3 games against the best tiered character played by one of the best to ever do it. Good fuckin shit dude, keep it up!

[@DenimDestroyed]

LinkSixx SixxLink I'm rooting for you man

[@Xmark3000]

We will be cheering you on man!!!

[@pbentle1990]

You're definitely one of the best, if not the best, link in the world. Not many link mains can take leffen to last stock

[@rykeerodriguez9559]

If this Sixx guy learns to bait and chase with wavedashes he'd be hella scary. With how clean his punishes are and how well he mixes up, that freedom of movement would make a huge difference edit : He doesn't shield drop/edge cancel either so there's that. With a base level that high imagine his ceiling if he grinded out the tech!

[@kravten7090]

Link's wavedash is really bad though. I don't think it helps link at all.

[@rykeerodriguez9559]

kravten ' O P T I O N S T H O. I watched for it and there were some places I'm sure he could've wavedashed back out of shield to avoid pressure :) Won't argue with success though! This guy's a beast!

[@MrChocolatesauce1]

Link can waveland, but his wavedash is super bad because of his awful jumpsquat. It's a similar reason why most ganon's rely on their waveland, but almost never wavedash

[@happyk7512]

Others have stated it before, but i'd really like to reinforce just how unbelievably bad Links wavedash is. Probably one of the 5 worst ones in the entire game.

[@rykeerodriguez9559]

And where does peaches rank?

[@sigurdtheblue]

Wow, I recognized a familiar voice but didn't realize it was Armada.

[@ilevitatecs2]

Bottom right......

[@davidrojas9668]

James D'Elia It's pretty out of the way. Not everyone examines the details of the borders.

[@dahuterschuter]

If Sixx got his edgeguards down to a flowchart like most lowtier players do, he'd probably be taking games in sets like this if not the whole set.

[@sothisistheend]

2017 is the year of link, with T in sm4sh, and this, plus BOTW, which is probably my game of the year

[@Quentonic]

MAGA 2016 T has been placing well at many tournaments

[@sen71]

MAGA 2016 2ggc west side T got 9th

[@cp_M14]

That combo at 6:19 Damn! This link is awesome

[@cp_M14]

Actually starting at 5:55 that almost 3 stock comeback

[@GameStrikerX2]

That's not a combo, almost nothing you see in melee is a true combo, just follow ups exploiting the fact that the opponent literally has almost no options in the air besides taking hits, jumping, or challenging. So yeah, not very impressive. I've seen better combos on smash 4. And no this isn't a bait, it's coming from a former melee player who's made 100's of dollars at local tourneys. Maybe the truth is Melee is just becoming too predictable, meta game never changes, tier lists are the same. Tactics are the same. Everything.

[@apocalypseap]

Game Striker You're not very knowledgeable about this game, so why are you talking about it like you are?

[@stayontrack]

You just saw a link player appear out of nowhere and do pretty damn well... fuck outta here with this metagame never changes bs

[@limelineage4016]

@@GameStrikerX2 almost nothing you see is a *true combo*. exactly, combos and true combos have a difference. true combos are combos you cant avoid. combos are combinations of sucessful hits. stupiid

[@mawiiile706]

this guy played his heart out gj

[@sethkoffler2571]

Link beats fox... and that's ok

[@cova_2715]

Seth Koffler *2020* fox is the worst character in the game...and thats ok

[@sethkoffler2571]

STH 10 The year is SIXX, link has been optimized to TAS levels...

[@cova_2715]

Seth Koffler the year is child era timeline all matches are between link and ganon at TAS levels on hyrule temple. matches are so tied that the winner is decided by who can speedrun breathe of the wild the fastest

[@lynk172]

**plays the ocarina**

[@apocalypseap]

Just wait until Leffen loses to two Sheiks in a row. "Fox-Sheik is a losing matchup for Fox, and that's okay"

[@narvojr]

I miss the old link voice

[@ZzigZaG00NIN]

@One Blue Boi melee is a great game but brawl :better single player ultimate: best graphics

[@salj.5459]

One Blue Boi I disagree. I think Smash 3DS had the best single player content. You're free to disagree though

[@TheChucknoxus]

@@ZzigZaG00NIN I like adventure mode more for what it does than bland subspace which is only memorable because of cutscenes

[@Solipsismreal]

@@salj.5459 smash 3ds is kinda L

[@Tselel]

I appreciate that the commentators take Sixx seriously the whole time. Honestly not sure that would happen in the States.

[@superheriber27]

It wouldn't, American commentators would constantly try to be "funny"

[@slyfrailzz]

Link pride, he did amazing.

[@tgr3423]

sixx might not have taken the set but damn he played really nasty lmao. he had some absolutely BRUTAL punishes and combos.

[@GameStrikerX2]

Happy Triscuit Yeah... "Combos". More like several follow ups exploiting a characters options in the air.

[@apocalypseap]

Game Striker Fox's falling speed is both a strength and a weakness.

[@tgr3423]

Game Striker I think you just described how every character in Smash combos. There aren't really true "combos" in Smash, only follow-up after follow-up due to the nature of the game.

[@IIIISai]

@@tgr3423 I think he's negative for no good reason

[@Terilice1]

4:20 the link shield tilt into up b glorious

[@savanchandul7451]

What I don't understand is why Link's down air kills way at higher % but has actual risk while Fox's up smash and up air are flicker buttons but kill at %s that only characters like Ganondorf should be able to do. Speaking of which, why did Sakuria mess up so badly on Fox? I'm baffled truly.

[@DrCaesarMD]

It's an old game - when devs were relatively inexperienced and patches weren't a thing. You could update a game maybe once with a new version, and fox DID get nerfed in another version, but you couldn't update regularly like you can nowadays.

[@Thierce]

Well melee had an incredibly short developpment time and the game wasn't balanced with 1 on 1 high level competitive play in mind.

[@MerryBlind]

Impressive play by Sixx! and great analysis from Armada!

[@mcpokeman]

So glad my boy leffen is doing work with such a low tier, represent baby

[@bios_4885]

McPokeman fox lowest of tiers

[@cova_2715]

Jacob Coffey melee fox is notorious for being the worst character in the whole smash brudders franchise

[@Soccerlad0]

Sixx is so sixx

[@dorsmap]

Thank god there are still people who can compete with low tier characters or this game would be a boring fox fest

[@lapplandkun9273]

TORYAH! HAH! *BLIP BLIP BLIP* FIYAH!

[@BknMoonStudios]

With this set, Sixx has converted me from a Marth/Roy main to a Link one.

[@Jabadamazo]

I haven't felt this giddy since the first videos of Amsa started popping up.

[@Xivinux]

As a Link main I could tell Sixxx was nervous. Great play nonetheless. I would love to see a Link one day be crowned a champion like Armada did with Peach and now Amsa did with Yoshi.

[@thebrightshift201]

These commentators are so much more mature than American ones, anyone agree?

[@bb2fiddler]

JakeandAlliGaming I think they're boring af

[@MajorasWrath1]

@One Blue Boi American culture is such garbage lmao. Source: I live here.

[@MajorasWrath1]

@One Blue Boi no one has several thousand dollars to soonta shit out to move with, moron 😂

[@swisscheese4823]

Sixx won in our hearts

[@ImArchiie]

Armada commentating again? Lets go.

[@3Qz_]

Sixx will always be the best Link in my book

[@thomaskane7810]

Seeing this makes me wanna main Link when I finally get this game.

[@adesn1]

i see Link, i clic

[@vanishing_girl]

if he had won a game it would been so crazy

[@bonssimple857]

The fact that Sixx is still online to his tweet and his profile is still Him with blurry leffen

[@IIIISai]

ahaha

[@matthewcuriel991]

Nevermind ... he did it 1 time the whole set at 8:40 and it converted into a kill.

[@lambolova]

Sixxhundred hours

[@slm8125]

Holy crap is this one good Link

[@bench7775]

I love me some low tier gameplay

[@TheRealBoof]

7:45 Commentator got it wrong. The best DI to Link's dair is no DI. If Leffen had DI'd to the left, he would have lost the stock.

[@Foreverlypink7]

how is that the best DI?

[@justinmontgomery9526]

Cause it naturally sends you toward the corner(usually)

[@PrinceShion]

Got this from Stro. "It can be hard to tell which direction you're going to go. The angle isn't straight up. It's around 60 degrees. Usually, the place where you get daired is 60 degrees off from the corner anyway (right around the ledge). If you DI the wrong way, you'll go straight up and die almost for sure, since most dairs are high. That's why people think it sends straight up and is really strong. It's regular strong and sends at a somewhat steep angle."

[@yungJenny]

Boof thanks, my man. :)

[@TheRealBoof]

While it's true that it can be hard to tell which way to DI, doing no DI sends you at the most optimal angle. Check out this save file on Melee Calculator. Try messing with Fox's DI on the right-hand side. Note that this is from center stage. Move fox over to the sides of the stage and it becomes optimal to DI in the direction you're being sent with slight emphasis down. Basically, when in doubt, don't DI the dair.

[@invaderklp]

The real reason he lost is because he changed colors 3 times. NEVER change color.

[@tanguay.3876]

Link is so much fun to watch

[@SkyNinja759]

TFW Melee is so broken that Leffen wins on the character select screen. Good shit to Sixz, working so hard trying to take a game off him.

[@apocalypseap]

Except vs Marth and Samus LOL

[@NoName-xs9cx]

His Mewtwo wouldve given this guy the business card

[@apocalypseap]

No Name Funny part is that he probably would've done better with Mewtwo. Not that strange when you consider that it's an unfamiliar matchup and Mewtwo doesn't get punished as hard as Fox generally.

[@Peanutz996]

SkyNinja759 Lmao. If Sixx wasn't playing link and didn't have a mu knowledge advantage it wouldn't have been nearly as close.

[@O1DsLeNdYwHiTe]

Peanutz996 But it wasnt

[@thebrightshift201]

Still great commentators, great games

[@Tyler-du3yl]

Wild to see the tiers.. this Fox crushed Link but then Mang0's Falco can destroy this Fox.

[@thatdude3977]

armanda commentary?

[@kdngames8922]

who knew that link was in melee?

[@WIImotionmasher]

So this kinda reinforces how bbroken Fox is right? Like Sixx was getting reads, he was comboing into solid options, and Leffen was just getting randy kill moves, and exploiting Foxes super fast moves and good recovery move. And then lets just cover ledge by hanging and then shining. Fuck I like this game but I don't want to bother getting any good at it, it pisses me off so much.

[@dr.hiramtemple564]

Eh, any of the top tiers could probably run circles around Link. Also, Leffen the number 6 player right now (and the best solo fox main), and Sixx is currently unranked. Anything short of a 3-0 could have been considered an upset on Sixx's part, and he still did better than a lot of fox mains could ever dream of doing against Leffen. And even though fox is clearly the best, any character in the top 10 has been shown to have at least some potential in major tournaments, so there's still a decent roster of 'good' characters to pick from. Even beyond that, skill still maters way more than character: look up m2k's pichu, DJ Nintendo's bowser, or any other low tier highlight reel, and you might find yourself thinking these characters are grossly underrated. If you pick a character you like and learn the techskill and matchups, you might find beating fox is a lot more doable than the theory-crafters and tournament vids make it seem. Of course, I'm just a scrub who doesn't even go to locals, so I'm probably talking out my ass. But that's my 2 cents.

[@savanchandul7451]

TiltSlamBam What I don't understand is that Fox kills some characters at 50-70% using flicker buttons while Link's down air and up air that have actual risk kill around 110-130%. Did Sakuria forget that powerful moves should have drawbacks? There's never a risk for using Fox's up air and up smash because every move in Melee can get punished, but their reward cancels out this risk

[@dr.hiramtemple564]

Yeah, fox's move data is pretty ridiculous. With regards to that, I have a couple theories--namely, fox's kill power and frame data was probably supposed to be compensated in other areas. For one, he doesn't have the greatest reach with most of his attacks. Also, he may have been envisioned as a technical, but hard to use character. growing up, i never could effectively play the space animals because they were just too fast, and Sakurai may have banked on that being more of a limiting factor than it turned out to be (granted, even top players will occasionally suicide with side b and other tech, so it still is has a bit of an impact). In my opinion, the most egregious oversight in fox's character design is his laser. It's the best ranged attack for racking up percent-- coupled with one of the fastest movement speeds in the game, fox is able to outcamp any other character. With his three ranged attacks and disjoints, Link is clearly set up as a zoner, but fox's laser will outdamage all three options, and completely invalidate bombs. if is laser weren't so overwhelmingly dominating, i think the game would come together a fair bit better.

[@ZacDonald]

The game is definitely not balanced, but if you want to play a good character with longer ranged attacks, just play Marth. It's not as if spacies are the only viable characters.

[@apocalypseap]

If he lost, he would've made a video, and I think you know what it would've been called.

[@Beamo1080]

It's matches like this that remind me how much I hate Fox

[@nahor88]

Exactly; Link has to work so hard for everything, and if you screw up, that's it. You may not get another opening. Fox can just do his basic tech and win. Most of Sixx's success came off of hard reads.

[@Thierce]

Leffen didn't win juste because he played fox, Leffen won because he is a better player, and would've beaten a player of Sixx's caliber no matter which charater they are using. If anything, mu inexperience gave Sixx and edge that other players of his skill level don't have when playing more common characters

[@Thierce]

I'm not sucking up to him, I'm just saying the best fox solo main in the world is leagues above players like Sixx, and don't get me wrong, I love Sixx and I love melee Link ; tbh I was rooting for him during this match

[@pokemowns]

Leffen cc till 65 jumps alot until 2 stock then begins to grab and shield trying to counter sixx whiffs (defensive play)

[@TheHjkkkl]

Awesome Link player Oo'

[@Penguinaraujo]

Really nice link Sixx

[@matthewcuriel991]

Someone @ me on this, does links up b out of shield suck or something ... if not sixx needs to take a page out of dk and bowsers book and utilize it. Especially when his sheild is being pressured

[@HunyBearLink]

It kinda sucks. OoS it's frame 9 in front and 11 in back. Good for punishing high single hit aerials on shield tho.

[@112345brian]

Good shit to MatPat for playing a low tier

[@Terilice1]

9:55 the thrill of beating a link player >.> can he get tournament points for doing that well as link

[@superheriber27]

Leffen may have won, but he definitely felt the pressure

[@thelostboy6491]

Sick Link Sixx.

[@alehodr]

Fox was too op

[@ToastBombHalo]

nt

[@llpropane197ll]

Unbalanced AF

[@kid2174]

Triple uptilt by leff lmfao leff sux

[@gilbertomendez7545]

Man after sooo many years... Still no Link is good enough to rival Lord HDL the best Link in Melee. Not by a longggg shot. Lord HDL was ahead of the game for sooo many years. His 2013 meta is way more superior than this dude in 2017.