BIKE PROFILES - in process build video of 50th Anniversary Ritchey Outback

[@andrewhamilton3486]

Great build. I procrastinated between S and M. Got the M. Perfect. I'm 168cm so between sizes. I'm on a 51 road logic, thinking to get a 53cm. Honestly the outback is one of the best feeling bikes I've ridden. Selling my trek checkpoint. Thanks. Look forward to more updates

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Hello Andrew thank you for chiming in. Read my generalizations on sizing and fitting I just posted to Pete. He was asking about 51 or 53 Road Logic sizing.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Is the Trek Checkpoint a carbon bike?

[@andrewhamilton3486]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoad yes, it's the sl5 2021 version

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

@@andrewhamilton3486 that’s a great testament to the ride or handling quality of the Outback! You are selling your carbon Trek in favor of a steel Ritchey! Is that what I understand you are doing?

[@andrewhamilton3486]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoad that's correct. The trek is a good bike, but the ritchey is in another league when it comes to ride feel. No contest. I'll take the ritcheys everyday everywhere ❤️

[@aaronhamlen8215]

Hi George, I like the color, I'm also a Shimano fan. Thanks for sharing and showing the blue sky. I haven't seen the sun in weeks in New England. Looking forward to seeing where your going to ride with this new build.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

You're Welcome! It's been really nice here for past week -- over 75F. Unfortunately, rain is coming Thursday, Friday and Sunday. I hope I can get a ride in on Saturday. Sending you some sunshine vibes :-) and thanks for watching

[@lenkomsa1399]

Beautiful bicycle!

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thank you Len and thanks for watching!

[@johnkasza2315]

I think a matching Thomson seatpost and stem would promote the American vibe of Tom Ritchey...love their products, classy and understated and METAL..😀

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Hello John thanks for watching! I usually spec out most of my bikes with Ritchey Logic components. I might do that on this bike too. I really like Thomson components as well.

[@johnkasza2315]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoad from Macon , Georgia...homegrown

[@byc1013]

Another day, another George Vargas Ritchey video :) thank you mate. I am looking at this as my first Ritchey bike, still a few frames available in Europe. Much love from the UK.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Ha ha! I’m partial to the Road Logic because I’m a true roadie. I hope your experience with your first Ritchey is a good one with the Outback. I can’t endorse it yet since I haven’t put the bike through its paces yet. Again, I’m more of a true roadie. I can fully endorse the rim brake Road Logic with a high-end groupset, wheels and tires.

[@jayobannon5359]

Hey, saw those Rene herse tires on hed rims and had to take a moment and watch.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thanks for stopping Jay!

[@SIvers-or2ke]

Love the bike mate. If anyone wants shorter chainstays then go for the Swiss Cross which is set up to be agile. The Outback is built to be stable on sketchy descents I’ll take long chainstays and comfort any day. Enjoy the bike and please post more on it as you go. Cheers

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

It’s funny how much chatter you find in the internet about the long chain stays but most of them have never ridden the bike. 😂 Thanks for watching please consider subscribing

[@SIvers-or2ke]

Already subbed mate. 👍 YOU, GCN and Just ride bikes are my 3

[@nicoliroos4865]

We are really enjoying your content! Some of the best cycling related info ... Regards from Johannesburg, South Africa.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thank you so much for your comment! I'm humbled that you find my content so enjoyable and "best cycling related info". Tell me what you like about the content. Have you subscribed? Please share my videos with your mates. Thank you for watching from South Africa!

[@jennibristol7720]

That looks cool :) 🎉 I have the old sunset fade frame :) xxx

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Congrats on your Outback and thanks for watching!

[@StanEby1]

Love the bike. Flare IS functional. That's the point, at least for me. And also the backsweep, of course. All the best.😊

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thanks for watching Stan! I might consider the flare. Is it for descending? When do you ride the flare? All the best to you as well!

[@StanEby1]

Actually, I keep experimenting. I know the philosophy is to rely on your core, but this business of keeping your wrists cocked in the drops is uncomfortable. I'm looking for a way to stay in the drops for long periods with the hands in a comfortable position yet still aero. Right now I have child regular handle bars flipped upside down. It looks about like what they were doing 100 years ago, but with a little wider backsweep. Take care. @SeeYouUpTheRoad

[@rodjonsson813]

Ciao George. Really sweet-looking bike. I wish I had room and budget for one like this. Another plus for longer chainstays is not popping wheelies when navigating loose steep stuff. Dropper post helps too.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

So true! Thanks for watching!

[@salsalawyer]

i Like the new showcase location. Very nice bike!

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thank You Reggie!

[@EnligUlv]

Yes 🤙🏽 on that video presentation of White Mountain climb beyond the pavement. I plan on an Eastern Sierra week long vacation this summer and since the WMD doesn’t exist anymore, I can revisit it this way, but a recon video would be greatly appreciated 😉 but first I’ve got to get one of those builds.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

We will get you sorted out on an Outback! I will do a video on the White Mountain Peak. It will be fun to do the research 😊

[@dalescott3942]

So do you have a ride review of the frame? Can you go into the extremely long rear stays as it’s the thing holding me back pushing the green light on getting one

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

I do not have a ride review …yet. I don’t ride it much. I’m a roadie through and through. As I said in the video I built the frame for one specific purpose Given a ride day I will always choose my Ritchey Road Logic first. However, why do you and others obsess about the “extremely” long chain stays? Why would that hold you back? It just doesn’t make any sense to me. NEW BIKE DAY - Taking the Ritchey Outback up a gnarly and muddy climb and descent @ritcheydesign kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKqainiIjNpreNU

[@patrickparisienne1917]

Looks fantastic! Love those big meats with a file tread, must ride like a pillow! As for the bolts, can’t you just some stainless socket head cap screws from a local fastener outlet? A lot cheaper!

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thank You Patrick! The big meats feel like a pillow on pavement. We’ll see what type of traction I get out of them on loose stuff. The bolts are specific for this application and includes a cotter key point. They are inexpensive, at my cost anyway, and ordering them is easier through Shimano than any other fastener outlet. Not to mention I order from Shimano at least 3x a week.

[@MrSandperson0]

Love it! You answered all my questions on this bike - use case, tire sizes, new backdrop (def prefer the grass to the shop entrance). My only gripe - "I like Shimano, I've never really been a fan of SRAM..." Damn, Campy doesn't even get mentioned!! Ouch! 🙂

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

You're Welcome! Yeah I just don't get the love affair with Campy... It's the least appealing groupset to me. Although, I have mentioned in other videos if they keep a rim brake option available then I will be forced to ride Campy in future. 😭

[@ianthompson6268]

so nice. I'd only get bars with a little flair. I'd like to ride that on dirt roads.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Me too!

[@skinnie88]

I have the Outback but on breakaway version, Ergon/Canyon seatpost adds the little bit of confort that for me it was needed without buying bulky, mooving too much. Great bike!

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Awesome thank you for the personal testimonial on the Ergon post! I’m happy you have an Outback!

[@bendardania]

Great looking bike. Those tan walls look great. One recommendation I highly recommend you try a flared handlebar. It will make a huge difference on downhills. As you know Richey makes some magical gravel handlebars. Cheers

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thanks for the tip! I may try a flared bar but I don't want to buy a bar for a bike that I am not going to ride much. I don't want to spend any real money on this bike. I am a roadie through and through. I was doing "gravel racing" on my road bike 20 years ago ... before it was cool. Now it's just a fad and I don't want to spend money on that when I am trying to maintain 9 road bikes lol!

[@jennibristol7720]

I think long chain stays are a good idea, it was one of the reason for buying my outback as there less chance of the front derailleur and chain rubbing on the tyre. I had to buy shorter bots for both the front and rear calipers. I was using a SRAM group set.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

I like the reasoning you give for longer chain stays!

[@fastenthenzip6180]

Are the Rene Herse tyres robust? I'm looking for a great,comfortable, tyre for mostly paved and only little gravel.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

They have several versions of their tires. These in particular are the Extralight casing. You can go Endurance or Endurance Plus for more robustness. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing

[@dimash3733]

Nice bike.. i wanna ask . What size of clamp fd

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Whatever the spec says on the website. I think it was 28.6 mm Thanks for watching please consider subscribing

[@dimash3733]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoad thx bro.... So we can use shimano adapter clamp fd

[@ian_pedalz]

The chainstay length on this bike is absolutely perfect. I don’t understand all these people wanting to get their chain stays shorter and their head tube angles slacker on all their bikes lol. Sweet “parts bin” build ! I totally agree you don’t need a special seat post, if the tires can’t absorb the shock you probably won’t be staying on the saddle anyways lol. Excited to see you take this out on the rough stuff, not that you weren’t already taking your roadlogic out on em😅 One last question what was the giant lightbulb you have in the sky ? Haven’t seen anything like that in weeks 🙃

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Let's start with with the giant lightbulb it's called the sun and we pay high sunshine tax for it here in San Diego lol! I think the long chain stays scare people when they haven't ridden the bike. I also think most people don't understand that stability is good on rough roads at high speeds. Most "gravel" people want a gravel bike to respond like a road bike but be stable on loose or rocky terrain. In those cases ride your Road Logic and don't buy a 142mm wide disc brake bike with longer chain stays than a rim brake bike. lol I may get Jessica an Ergon .. I have to make sure the princess has a comfy and fun ride :-)

[@markotoplak1866]

Wonderful, this is my current dream bike. I do have a similar at home, also steel, but cheaper frame, so maybe a kg heavier and a bit less supple. Then I remember I sometimes mount a child seat on to the seat tube and perhaps it not being as supple is a good thing for me - for now. But someday...

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Hello Mark thank you for watching! You can get a lot of suppleness and ride compliance from your tires and pressure. Having your child come riding with you is worth a little less suppleness in my opinion! 🙂

[@OutThere42]

Hi George, any thoughts on HED Emporia’s for tires that size instead of the Ardennes? I have the Ardennes with 35mm tires and thinking of getting Emporia for gravel bike. (I’ll go back to the earlier vids if you already talked about this)

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

As I mentioned in the video this bike was put together as parts bin special. I’m not a huge fan of all this gravel BS so I’m not going to buy another set of wheels for a bike I’m never going to ride. I built this bike for ONE specific purpose ONE specific ride. Of course there will be a few rides testing the gearing, tire choice etc but that’s it. So no need to spend any extra funds if I had stuff already on hand. And I’m a true roadie. I did most of the major gravel races 15 years ago before it caught on to the masses. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing

[@tmayberry7559]

George thanks for the video. First are the wheelset 650 ? 2nd I agree with you 100% on the 1 x 😊. 3rd I find you are not afraid to state what you think about things. 4th and finally quote " your ass doesn't change" classic 😂 and placing the valve stem at 12 so people can read the name of the tires😂. You're a classic guy George 😊

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

The wheels are 700. I prefer 2X and I found out there is an opportunity to put an 11-40 cassette on this drivetrain. I am opinionated some will like it many won’t 😂 I don’t find I need to change a saddle to ride road or gravel. It’s all marketing! I always used to put the valve stems at 6 o’clock but I realized when shooting these bike profile videos that you can’t read the tire brand/model/size Thank you I try to keep it real. 😊

[@tmayberry7559]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoad yes you do George

[@robdogracing]

Rev, Thanks for sharing! Thoughts on suspension stems? I’m thinking of putting a vacnum freeQENCE on my gravel bike. Also I think I prefer the shop window front location, less road noise and reminds the viewer you have a bike shop.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thank You for the feedback. I would like to try a suspension stem just to try it but probably wouldn’t own one. I like to remove as many moving parts on my bike KISS method

[@Jonatsdonats]

Hi George. I'm 165 with an S outback. would a 49 road logic be its equivalent in terms of sizing? thinking about the reach difference though

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Compare the stack and reach and make your own decision. I don’t give bike sizing or bike fitting advice on this channel. Enjoy your Road Logic. It’s an amazing bike! Good luck! Thanks for watching and please consider subscribing.

[@knife1406]

when I emailed them they put me on a large and I'm about the same height as you, I was pretty happy with it. I also tend to ride 55-56. I got 44mm tires and trying to squeeze fenders in them atm lol. The new bike set up here looks good btw, looks good against the rock and grass. I also had problem with the bolts with the brakes. I went 2x too, did you also find it weird how it routed on the underside of the downtube? Geez. Idk if I can even use that bottle cage bolts down there

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

I was not concerned about the additional height (stack from 568 >> 587) I was more focused on the Reach which was super close 395mm down to 390mm When you say you are trying to squeeze in fenders ... have you been successful? I am curious if you can and what model you have chosen. I was looking at Rene Herse fenders IF I put any on. It doesn't rain much here but if I travel to other parts of the world I might put some on. Thank you for your feedback on the new filming location. Yep they ship bolts for carbon frames that have a huge chainstay ... not needed on steel bikes. YES! I didn't understand the routing of the FD cable. I am going to have to find a different BB guide or modify one to get the cable run much better. I wonder if they think everyone is running SRAM AXS so why bother with the cable routing. That 3rd bottle cage mount is rendered useless right now.

[@thedronescene7474]

That is a nice bike George. I would like to build a Gravel bike and thats the one I am looking at. I would love another Moots but I cant afford to buy another 10K bike.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Ha ha no one needs a 10K gravel bike. The very nature of the places where you are going to ride it should prohibit people from spending too much on a gravel bike. Carbon frames and carbon wheels have no place on gravel bikes or MTB bikes but if there's a market for it manufacturers will make it. I also don't think Ti should be out on the trails either. It's also too expensive to knock around out on the trail. For most purposes steel is still the best material to build bike frames from ... I will die on that hill.

[@jayobannon5359]

Check out Haley bikes if you are looking for an alternative Ti bike at good price point

[@thedronescene7474]

@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I agree. For MTB or Gravel there is no need to spend much. Is just I love the way Moots looks haha.

[@thedronescene7474]

@@jayobannon5359 Appreciate it. I will check it out :)

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

⁠yes Jay Haley is a great options - with custom paint and other things no cost to you!

[@samsepiol7080]

Nice bike! Someday I'll also get a steel bike. That Ergon seatpost looks interesting and I've heard a lot of good reviews about it. The only downside I've heard is that the adjustment for the seat angle is a little fiddly.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thank You Sam! I appreciate that feedback.

[@bastisk8]

How much does it weight in it`s current form?

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

I don’t weigh bikes, generally, on this channel.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

As an industry and as riders we need to get away from the obsessive behavior of weighing our bikes. It’s irrelevant and it won’t preclude or motivate me to ride a bike one way or the other.

[@johncoates6039]

Ugh……sun shine!!!!!. Nothing but grey for weeks here in Michigan

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Boo! Winters must be hard on people’s mental state!

[@n22pdf]

Hi George lovely frame and bike dude.. could I ask with regards the road logic I’m about 171cm in height would you recommend a 51 or a 53 ? I know it’s a thing to each rider just curious on your thoughts.. love the channel 😊 Pete

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Hello Pete thanks for watching! Regarding sizing ... I prefer not to give sizing or fitting advice over the internet. But I will posit my sizing/fitting philosophy and experience. Most people buy bikes that are too small for them. Then they exacerbate the situation by riding short stems and high handlebar position. It's especially egregious when a rider has a long torso and short inseam and buys the smaller frame than they should because either 1. The shop guy doesn't know any better or 2. The rider has always bought the smaller bike because they don't like the top tube too close to their crotch or the more stupid reason 3. They heard pro racers use a bike 1 to 2 sizes smaller and ride 140mm stems and high seat post and they want to look like them (like buying deep section carbon wheels) I often find people that buy too small of a bike end up with their head up forward of the handlebar. The bike now has a disproportionate amount of the rider's weight over the front axle. This type of setup compromises bike handling. It is especially evident when descending. I can't tell you how many times I put someone on my fitting stand and just by their position on the bike I know they are a terrible descender I don't even have to ask them. No amount of money spent on a new disc brake bike is going to make them any better. I could go on but I will stop there. End Retro Grouch Rant lol!

[@AaronDimonio]

Finished or not, this build looks great! I used to have a Rivendell 650B bike with what amounts to the predecessor to those Rene Herse tires in 42 mm. That 42 mm width was really fun. I bet your Outback is going to be a blast to ride. For my 50th Anniversary Road Logic, I went with a Ritchey WCS stem and 1-bolt post. But my favorite bars at the moment are Zipp Service Course SL 70 Ergo, which have a very slight backsweep on the tops, but no flare in the drops.

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Very nice! I have a nice Zipp carbon bar on my Road Logic. It has a nice flat top without being excessively flat 😂

[@javatites4201]

b e a u t i f u l .

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Thank you and thanks for watching. Please consider subscribing 🙂

[@aintnobodygottime4dat]

Carbon Forks?!@?....YUK!.....Hands-up anyone who thinks carbon is a dumb material for anything off-road?

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

🤚

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Fyi if you want a steel fork on your gravel bike then you can easily buy the Ritchey Ascent instead. ritcheylogic.com/bike/frames/ascent-frameset

[@fredthompson9814]

You got to go with Ritchey parts Man. Post, stem, handlebars

[@SeeYouUpTheRoad]

Indeed! My other Ritcheys are built that way