Terrible Sonic Scratch Games Are Bad

The return of Sonic flash games... kind of?
Here's a link to my game I expect 10000 views: scratch.mit.edu/projects/9884...
Obviously no hate to anyone that's in the video. The title is just the title, I don't actually think that any of these games are terrible. It's just people having fun and there are some genuinely impressive projects here too.
❤️ Subscribe for more content like this » kzbin.info?sub_...
👕 Check out my merch store » shop.billehbawb.com/
🔷 Want to support me? Become a channel member » kzbin.infojoin
🔮 Discord (13+) » / discord
🔴 Second channel » / @cornonthebawb
🎵 Outro » • Sonic Forces - Ghost T...
🐦 Twitter » / billehbawb
💜 Twitch » / billehbawb
Thank you DrawThatRedstone for editing help - / @drawthatredstone
Thank you Crimson Draws for the video idea - / @sanichegehog2734
Terrible Sonic Scratch Games Are Bad
• Terrible Sonic Scratch...
-BillehBawb
#BillehBawb #Sonic #SonicFlashGames

[@BillehBawb]

Obviously no hate to anyone that's in the video. The title is just the title, I don't actually think that any of these games are terrible. It's just people having fun and there are some genuinely impressive projects here too. I tried to say that multiple times in the video but just gonna put it here in case the message didn't get across. At the end of my video I literally go over my own terrible sonic scratch game lol

[@Pogbirb]

bruh you are too late hey remember hypixel review? You know, the thing you did when your voice is uhhh.......yeah.

[@Artistic__]

Sonic advance 2 doesn’t work I think because of scratch updates but I remember when I played those

[@JGaming.H]

Sure you don’t think there terrible.

[@hariskolasinac9241]

Sonic 3D Blast is better then these scratch games.

[@Artistic__]

Is sonic 4 scratch edition worse than sonic blast?

[@Alzter0]

Scratch is a tool to help kids program, it doesn't come with physics or scrolling, getting a platformer engine to work in it basically requires you code it from, well, scratch

[@TheUpdator]

well said

[@MidiProductionsOfficial]

Well said, Alzter. Well said...

[@vappyenjoyer24]

unlike clickteam

[@souptaels]

Yeah exactly! Scratch is a learning tool for beginner programmers, not a tool you should depend on for serious game development. There are far better engines out there like Godot, GMS1.4/2, Unity, etc. I don't get why people are trying to make damn-near impossible games with Scratch. It's why Scratch get its bad reputation today. I've seen some impressive stuff on Scratch tho, but it's very rare to find stuff like that.

[@KidPrarchord95]

@@souptaels It still has the possibility for good games, so long as the creator doesn't go too ambitious.

[@Cyrosphere]

The modern sonic engine used to work, and was a pretty good game back in the day, but Scratch updates caused the game to be outdated, causing you to clip through the floor

[@randybudderknubs5152]

@@hahasamian8010 the legend himself.

[@hahasamian8010]

@@randybudderknubs5152 Aw I'm not that cool But thx

[@silverteam9249]

ye

[@FalcoFurret]

it used to be Legendary back in the day

[@fnln3011]

Oh well I fault them even less now. Sonic team didn't have such excuses for all the clips you can do in them. I love sonic but the various ways of bounce clipping were absurd in SA2.

[@comicfan1324]

2:54 Wow! It’s incredible someone was able to make this in Scratch! It’s sad that it looks like Sonic in Scratch has better physics than Classic Sonic in Forces...

[@willy9473]

E

[@sanosu87]

E

[@cybabyte1597]

W comment

[@K3NZ0_Z]

Rush

[@K3NZ0_Z]

E

[@fnln3011]

I fall through floors in official sonic games so I can't fault these guys for not getting right a thing the actual devs failed at

[@ivoryvt]

3D is possible on Scratch, but it comes out like an SNES 3D game, and is really only useful for stuff like dungeon crawlers and horror games.

[@NinjaWeedle]

Depends on the engine

[@delta4dev]

@@NinjaWeedle 3d minecraft on scratch: *Sad 3d Noises*

[@AnnoyedArt1256]

pen: *sad pen noises*

[@dimmie8616]

F Nzau lmao are you sure about that? 3D pen games (no longer raycasting) exist because of 3.0 project speed.

[@sammy847wastakenbysomeprick]

@@dimmie8616 Yeah, also there are many Raytracers on scratch that have really good speeds only because of 3.0.

[@reynnberry5852]

8:00 Toad getting hit in Mario Kart 64

[@gukeoke6312]

The Modern Sonic one where he endlessly clipped through existance almost made me choke on oxygen, haven't laughed this much in a while

[@Glossy.__.]

I think so I don’t even know

[@romoney]

a few years ago, scratch got a big update that broke the game, while the original project it came from later got updated to fix many things

[@LannyLeArtist]

Lol

[@TheSnazzyMaddie69420]

it's sad that the scratch 3.0 update broke projects like the modern sonic engine. the scratch 3.0 update changed how vectors work and therefore the game doesn't work properly

[@hahasamian8010]

I found a method to fix them actually! (I'm hahasamian on there too)

[@awesomeguy2454]

Hey didn't you make a modern sonic engine for scratch 3.0

[@hahasamian8010]

@@awesomeguy2454 scratch.mit.edu/projects/356763695/ yes. This one and my own, which used tomicool's engine as a base rather then MrLog's. If you were talking to me, eheh...

[@SpeedyExists]

Currently the recent version has Knuckles and a boss

[@LuigiBrown]

Indeed

[@sussyspmorearth1971]

;^;

[@SpeedyExists]

Eyyy

[@sussyspmorearth1971]

woo we got noticed and I got my motivation back so I guess I’ll continue this stupid game lol

[@soda9573]

:O

[@BinglesP]

6:36 Was that an impression of the way Cybershell reads his scripts?

[@la_creaturr]

probably not

[@crisdebo]

I had to use scratch back in high school for basically an “intro to coding” course and let me tell you trying to do the most simplest things in this is the most annoying thing to do. So *most* of the stuff here is actually impressive

[@hypermighty1852]

“terrible sonic scratch games are bad” yes, billehbawb thats what terrible means.

[@marawanelbalal8774]

"you can always unsub later" I mean come on who would want to do that

[@babygirl5748]

Me.

[@JGaming.H]

Me too.

[@BillehBawb]

damn

[@squidiskool]

BillehBawb whoa hey don’t say that

[@JGaming.H]

Oh shit it’s BillehBawb himself he’s gonna kill us all.

[@bentshaggyoil]

When Scratch updated to 3.0, a lot of things changed like collision detection, which might be why you were endlessly clipping through the world

[@splegoon4289]

Funny how the actual Sonic 4 legitimately looks like it was made in Scratch

[@R3t1xtheIdiot]

I'm MAKING a scratch Sonic game, called Sonic the Hedgehog Refreshed, It's supposed to at least be a good game

[@Hutch2Much]

i have no doubts it’ll be great if you put the work in! good luck with it :D

[@dereckosei-assibey7438]

Good luck when your done comment and I'll check it out

[@rubixdude1067]

Im here so I can get notified for when it comes.

[@DrHusk-ko7yu]

Looking forward to your game!

[@R3t1xtheIdiot]

Sadly my only roadblock is I don't have a physics engine I found the only good one WAY too hard to work with

[@oli_2769]

I remember making some crazy games in scratch, but what you could do was limited asf. Gotta commend some of these guys for even making a functioning sonic game

[@hyperthethiccboi8698]

Agreed

[@JGaming.H]

YEE.

[@spocite]

Ehhh... not really... scratch isn’t limiting at all. You can do crazy things

[@oli_2769]

@@spocite Scratch is essentially just a stripped version of Python with some additional support for image display. It's an entrypoint for coding, but not much more. It was never designed for huge projects like Sonic and other full games, so I stand by what I said: Scratch is limited asf

[@JoziGlitzh]

@@oli_2769 The thing is it's not, saying that it's just a stripped version of Python with some additional support for image display isn't enough proof to affirm it is limited, you can literally make 3D games if you want...

[@joseeliasfranca4312]

DAMN that 3d sonic sprites i myself created in my childhood, the project grow so much in the scratch community, I am actually so glad that this got on someone's video, its crazy. I am so happy with this. I spent so much time doing this... thank you so much for showing this to the world.

[@CrustyGrandadsofCanada]

If only he knew... 0:29

[@Kapin05]

Used to work with Scratch myself back in the day. I never made anything particularly high-quality, and very few users actually did, but marking anyone down for that would be missing the point - the platform's more of a jumping-off point than a legitimate toolset, and it does that job remarkably well. I don't think I'd've really discovered my passion for game design if I didn't have a place to easily build things like that, so I can't help but smile whenever I see a crappy Scratch project, knowing that some kid out there got to experience the same stuff I did and perhaps found their own passion for animation or game design. Thanks for the _flash_ back, if you'll pardon the pun. :)

[@hahasamian8010]

HTML5-BACK WE'RE DYING IN HERE BUT AT LEAST IT PERFORMS WELL MOSTLY I GUESS

[@NinjaWeedle]

​@@hahasamian8010 Scratch 3 selectively murdered some projects, but at least it doesnt take 20 minutes to load a 64+MB project anymore. its better than what scratch 2 did to scratch 1.0 projects

[@hahasamian8010]

@@NinjaWeedle Scratch 2 was kinda a big leap up though... so many practical things got added that it basically defined Scratch. To be honest I still have no idea what Scratch 2 even did to 1.x projects... Like, I remember seeing projects that were like "DOWNLOAD AND USE IN THE OFFLINE EDITOR!!!" but running the project in 2.0, it seemed like it was just a perfectly functional 1.x project, which is... not that great anyway... Maybe it's a nostalgia thing and I just have very little attachment to 1.4 and the other builds before that, but 2.0 feels like the version that really opened up the possibilities and made Scratch genuinely great. Scratch 3.0 is basically a partially butchered 2.0 with nothing revolutionary but, I guess it's okay... Also they removed the loading bar which is extremely annoying if you want to see the progress, sometimes they just seem to spend forever loading so it'd be really nice to know what it's actually doing.

[@NinjaWeedle]

@@hahasamian8010 Scratch 1.0 projects had all their sounds corrupted

[@hahasamian8010]

@@NinjaWeedle hm, never saw that occur but, I guess I can take your word for it -Now make me aware of what good was made with 1.0-

[@kimi1522]

From personal experience (I’ve been using Scratch since 2016), I know that one can make some pretty neat stuff on Scratch. But bruh, some these games are really impressive

[@swordydawordy8645]

As someone who used Scratch in my first year of middle school (I’m now a senior in High school), some of these are actually pretty damn impressive. In the grand scope of playable games, they’re low quality and not that great. In defense of Scratch games, images can’t really be ported in high quality. I remember being appalled at how pixelated uploaded images became, and it really sucked. In addition, it’s hard to maintain a stable frame rate in Scratch as it can be laggy as hell for whatever reason. I never understood why there was a crap ton of lag! All in all, this video was definitely a trip down memory lane for me.

[@ChannelPup]

I one time made the most laughable remake of Sonic 06 on Scratch. Worst part of it was the audacity I had to say "It's better than the real thing". The real thing may be janky but...not that janky.

[@SpeedyExists]

There’s 0.7 and we’ve added new stuff the game was cancelled but now that you’ve seen it we may finish it

[@Turbulation1]

I mean making the full sonic 2 on a limited engine is difficult, I think seeing a full emerald hill zone with tilesets and such would be cool though.

[@ColdCodyAnimations]

@@Turbulation1 yes this game you guys are making has really inspired me keep going

[@Ristarite]

Ah yes, Scratch. The website my school refuses to block, so I use it to listen to music.

[@hahasamian8010]

That's one of the things that got a lot better with Scratch 3.0, you can store actual quality music on it

[@WoofyZShow]

y u have a great ball next to ur name?

[@Ristarite]

@@WoofyZShow channel supporters have those

[@unknownwill4th549]

Ayo is that ristar?

[@John-ye3ij]

@@unknownwill4th549 it damn well better be

[@GSFigure]

Scratch isn't Unity, so you can't really have a polished game in scratch. Unity has better collision detectors which makes platforming in that engine much more fluent and much less choppy.

[@elliotmidgley]

No heck, unity is proffecionall and scratch is for 4 year olds

[@duncanchillake8024]

@@elliotmidgley scratch's target audience has nothing to do with age, it's intended for people who dont know coding and want to learn the basics of it

[@elliotmidgley]

@@duncanchillake8024 true lol

[@movedchannelslol6380]

5:45 I guess 2.5D? I mean that really impressive for scratch!

[@eiadithecoder620]

Well, it's fake 3D, it's an illusion called Sudo 3D

[@thatperson1009]

Scratch isn’t amazing but they tried at least I mean

[@JGaming.H]

BillehBawb is kind of an asshole not gonna lie.

[@shadic3470]

Yeah i agree they did atless try

[@JGaming.H]

i’m actually making a game myself on scratch. (Don’t worry it’s not gonna be bad.) (i hope.)

[@kaio-k5781]

GameFart 64 not really he’s just being honest

[@Kapin05]

@@JGaming.H The title of the video really doesn't reflect his attitude; if you'd've watched the whole thing, you'd know he actually respects the platform and what people've managed to do with it, even contributing his own projects when he was younger.

[@voxelbugged]

4:00 why is there a terraria background

[@Tapi583]

SONIC X TERRARIA CROSSOVER CONFIRMENT

[@warpear3330]

Didn't notice until you commented this

[@-Said9752-]

Idk but its pretty cool!!!

[@PeashooterTheY1]

I dont think that's Terraria music, I'm pretty sure it's from Sonic Unleashed

[@voxelbugged]

@@PeashooterTheY1 I didn't mention anything about the music

[@epicstar86]

At 7:04 I like how they use the Sonic 2 Beta sprites from the mechanic of bumping into a wall and then falling

[@thiccray2484]

1:26 why’d this make me laugh so hard? Lol

[@noahjohnson732]

8:22 Thanks For Playing A Game I help work for! I and the team really ike that! But Sonic 2 Expanded Has newer versions, and we are porting it to Simple Sonic Worlds :(

[@Turbulation1]

Yea simple sonic worlds, while not the best sonic engine, is much more powerful than the modern sonic engine on scratch.

[@NeonLightsYT1]

Oh my lord the memories of me playing on Scratch. My unfortunate, Sad childhood

[@lazeHD]

i used to play these as a kid so much especially the ones that look like they are test stages and have boost

[@frokydafroakie]

"Terrible Sonic Scratch Games Are Bad" sonic has red shoes

[@TheCoolWind]

It is actually possible to use tiles on Scratch. I made a Sonic Scratch game like 2 years ago using actual Green Hill sprites, rings and eveything. It is also made using Genesis Sonic Engine so the collission is great too. If you want to check it out the name of the projetct is: Sonic 1 Scratch Remake

[@dereckosei-assibey7438]

Omg I know that game two

[@TheCoolWind]

​@@dereckosei-assibey7438 Oh really? I'm the one who made that game.

[@thebluescratchy2009]

The beta with Knuckles?

[@thebluescratchy2009]

i also have Scratch

[@thebluescratchy2009]

it is called lolisdis

[@semisubmersible]

4:19 Late, but when was that project created?

[@caleb9659]

I made a terrible sonic scratch game once upon a time. Unlike the ones in these video, it was definitely bad. The jump barely worked (requiring you to press the key to jump during a specific frame of the run animation bc I programmed it bad).

[@BenEdwards98]

Seeing Sonic Xtreme here definitely brought me back, I remember playing that loads back in the day.

[@kirfoxthekirbyfox4005]

Me: *Looks at title* Yes I would think terrible things would be bad.

[@tezereth]

Scratch is not as limited than a lot of people think. You should maybe reviewing some cool animation, like fighting for the high ground (who have a lot of collaborator, and 3 season)

[@randomfloat]

4:16 That project was actually broken by 3.0. (along with the Genesis Sonic engine to a lesser extent) Back in 3.0 is also the reason why both of said project's levels are pixelated.

[@ryanr27]

Oh yeah, forewarning: as scratch gets updated, certain bugs happen that didn’t happen when the scratch projects were created, so that’s why in the Sonic momentum tests you were falling through the floor.

[@Mallony]

I reckon scratch sonic animations are their own treasure trove of content. Maybe do a video on that next time idea.

[@drawer29]

I remember when i was like 3 i would always play these games. They weren't good in hindsight.

[@cheetos980]

8:10 i remeber playing this game in my childhood and is absolutely insane

[@Huwitto]

4:00 That one broke because of Scratch 3.0

[@spaized8191]

I actually know some of the people that made Sonic 2 Expanded, they're going on Not So Simple Sonic Worlds to make it better.

[@whateversonic4845]

2:27 no Bill loses his shit

[@sanssans7392]

I remember that I re-created FNaF 1 in scratch from memory, but Freddy had a music box mechanic because I didn't know how he worked, and that there was some secret lore about some alternate timeline where purple guy died during custom night. The cameras were buggy, it was laggy, but it was somewhat impressive considering it was on Scratch.

[@YourNormalPersonDavi]

Fun fact: They probably steal the sonic sprite from the other.

[@TarsoCantAnimate]

I thought it was a peter knetter video

[@pinkyoshi9339]

Have heard the news? Cybershell is back

[@MrsDizazter]

Thanks to your video the Sonic 2 Expanded Project has regained steam on Scratch

[@johnross5098]

Omg we used this to learn code when i was in middle school

[@nyannyan2009YT]

1:11 most normal game in ohio

[@theawsomeboiistudios]

I'm a user on scratch. and I'm one of the people at worked on Sonic 2 expanded. And I'm just amazed that Sonic 2 Expanded is THIS popular

[@Papichi05]

Uh...what?

[@looloonoodle]

i like the bit where the scratch cat says “it’s scratch in’ time”

[@dumblittleidiot1301]

and proceeded to scratch all over the place

[@ExpressoTheCat]

i was working on a scratch game when i found this

[@ashpotatoes4262]

Me too

[@RocketDoesStuff]

*cough* you skipped my game *cough* it was Sonic Frenzy *cough* you can see it at 12:32 *coughhhhhh* but ehh the game's not that great anyways so you're not missing much XD

[@BillehBawb]

ill check it out next time :)

[@MLPPixel727]

Something funny is I've used Scratch some times before, for coding, but I never thought of searching for much on it and especially didn't know there were so many Sonic fan games on there.

[@user-es7nd3sy8o]

As someone who started using scratch a few months ago I think I feel like some people underestimate how good it can be if you are good enough

[@olds86307]

try "getting over it with griffpatch"

[@theniceumbrella7174]

Yes

[@olds86307]

really sounds like a sonic game tbh

[@JKBowdenWasTaken]

7:54 if u look on the remixes im JKbowden lmao

[@ashpotatoes4262]

Neat

[@mrpie6386]

Me: see's title Also me: *Flashbacks of sonic games on scratch and crying because of how bad they were*

[@ThomasfanSQBProductions]

6:27, Sonic 2 Beta running is TERRIBLE.

[@jasonchoi4714]

NO

[@jasonchoi4714]

I completely disagree

[@JulianMcCaulley]

😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

[@JulianMcCaulley]

Beta running is better

[@ThomasfanSQBProductions]

Let’s agree to disagree

[@LiterallyWize]

Ah, this brings me back to the old days where I used to code on Scratch and it was the only program I used to make games, man I was good at that. Now I switched to Roblox/LUA and Unity/C#.

[@LiterallyWize]

@Clash of Combat TCG ​you literally just brought me back into nostalgia, i quit coding quite a while ago and this just motivated me to go back into lua

[@I_like_corndogs.]

These feels like the Flash games I used to play as a kid. Feels kinda nostalgic

[@XSTREETOOTYT]

Fun Fact when you said that Sonic Dash had the Sonic 2 Beta Running animation the death screen for when you die from an enemy it dose an old sprite animation that when you run into a wall when your moving fast.

[@fruitcakedog1997]

I used to make Sonic games in Scratch all the time back in 2015. Fortunately they were all made in the offline editor and were never, and most likely never will be, seen by the public.

[@Tonyr72699]

I actually join the site for awhile back, but left it abandoned due to not having a laptop and focus one a different path. But I do had fun memories of it. If asked what my account and called RiverHeroes and most of my project were reused with some new bits and OST from official and safe keeping some obscured music

[@erans0889]

I would love for you to make more of these videos as a scratch user myself I thank that it is awesome to see videos on the site and plus the video is funny.😅

[@spootymaniacs]

oh shoot this reminds me of those "press buttons to kill sonic" scratch games that were basically memey junk food for my brain when i was in my pre teens and teens. those ones were remixed SEVERAL TIMES

[@celinacontreras8888]

Terrible sonic scratch games are bad Thumbnail: *pretty decent picture of sonic title screen made in scratch*

[@jarhed306]

BillehBawb: Tile Sets Dont Exist Every single tile based game in scratch: ಠ_ಠ

[@NoNamex1412]

I remember playing this back then, along with ultimate flash sonic

[@TrentonDoesStuff.]

3:16 "its not perfect but for SCRATCH" it literally IS perfect. I seriously can't tell you how accurate it is. I have compared it to an actual classic sonic game and it is almost 100% accurate

[@LuccaDoesStuff]

Pro tip: If you see a Scratch project with the same name as an official game, don’t expect it to be the same as the official game.

[@restarting_very_soon4903]

Man, I miss making Scratch animation projects. I joined the website back in 2012 before joining KZbin.

[@jestaplushgal3528]

I had to learn and use scratch for my compsci class and it’s surprisingly way better than I thought it was. Still not at all amazing but with how quick and easy it is to make something it’s very good for starters

[@isaacmorrey768]

the sonic the hedgehog 2 game used a sprite that was bigger than the screen then they added some scrolling and charicter movement and they made it

[@MyBedIsInAWall]

I used to program in scratch back in primary school, and every time we were told to do something, we added our own gimmicks

[@derekhibbard9018]

Wow I remember using this in high school and forgot what it was called, never thought I’d see a video about it much less with sonic games 😂

[@noahjohnson732]

Okay forget what I said about s2e it got canceled completely, others want to cont it but oh well. also, the person who started it all is @snowman(spm) or stoppunchingme on scratch but here is his new acc: TheREALSPM

[@PugsAreCool262]

Title: Terrible sonic scratch games are bad Me: Ok thanks! Now I know that terrible sonic scratch games can be good! 👍

[@LupinticDream]

Maybe you can do Sonic games on Sploder, whenever you do another one of these. Sploder is kind of like Scratch, except instead of code it's more so a level editor, a bit akin to Mario Maker. Lots of ground you can cover there.

[@_pulstar]

It isn’t a Sonic game, but i’m making a MegaMan fangame with it: MegaMan Vs. Atari. It’s such a big project, it won’t save on the website, and it will be downloadable!

[@vredevol]

6:19 the sprites were change bcs it took to much data so it was change to a more simplistic design

[@luffyzs17]

8:15 Drake : the type of guy to fall like cartoon

[@Janziepoo]

That Outro song sounds pretty damn good!

[@Blurro]

I've been making my own sonic scratch game lol, spent a while on the animations. Hopefully y'all can play it soon, I could show a preview if you want to see also

[@sussyspmorearth1971]

Happy that you played the team’s game! (S2E)

[@chainmengaming]

I remember being in 8th grade and this was basically one of two things that I did to kill time cuz I had no phone (the other thing being cool math games).

[@gojigamer2406]

the updator the one who made the sonic 2 thing makes the best ones another one who made pokemon ones (i forgot the name) their games are called pokemon tournament

[@DreamerDanielsun]

5:35 Actually I think this is what they call fake 3D

[@eiadithecoder620]

It's actually Sudo 3D

[@thecyberchill8907]

I remember scratch in middle scholl where I made a crappy ben 10 platformer out of cheap ms paint art of his aliens

[@callmebluyie2252]

huh i never thought of how "terrible" is a negative type word which is in relation with the word "bad"

[@WhiteBuzzardP]

*glasses on* The error that happened in the preview (i'm on laptop) is caused by a glitch in Scratch V.3. Almost all of the Sonic engines or games were made in Scratch V.2. I played most of the sonic engines when they DID work and it was pretty well done! But Scratch V.3 messed up the code in the engines. *glasses back down again*

[@fourmadmen1695]

‘’This is a modern sonic engine similar to the classic one I saw before’’