Bioshock - Story Explanation and Analysis

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Max Derrat

Max Derrat

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@Holobrine
@Holobrine 5 жыл бұрын
I am bioshook
@NikolaPj
@NikolaPj 5 жыл бұрын
I am shooketh
@Brinta3
@Brinta3 5 жыл бұрын
You are hollowbrain.
@jumuno_1137
@jumuno_1137 4 жыл бұрын
I’m am Going to kill myself
@denverbeek
@denverbeek 4 жыл бұрын
Nice Big Daddy joke
@filthyferret3492
@filthyferret3492 3 жыл бұрын
@@jumuno_1137 do it
@dipson282dp
@dipson282dp 5 жыл бұрын
Great analysis. Bioshock is my go-to game whenever i want to explain to someone how videogames can be as thought-provoking and philosophically profound as any book or movie. And the fact that you've just made a video analyisis about it 10 years after its release is the proof. There's some much more to talk about in this franchise...
@RadioRetrofuture
@RadioRetrofuture 5 жыл бұрын
What I love about Ryans story Arc that he maintained his principles for a very long time despite Fontains provocations. How ever, Ryan was also a spiteful man, as demonstrated by his story how he burned a forest because he lost a court case. When Fountaine got the upper hand that spitefulness made him abandon his own principles and became the very thing he hated. This theme also comes back in Bioshock infinite were the Vox populi act as the very savages Combstock always painted them as.
@triplehelix3207
@triplehelix3207 5 жыл бұрын
What i took from the game was Ryan being a hypocrite by seizing controlling over Rapture as he had despite his ideology
@kenichi1132
@kenichi1132 5 жыл бұрын
Only due to the brain altering Adam. That's what messed him up
@14Viper14
@14Viper14 4 жыл бұрын
@@kenichi1132 Ryan never used ADAM
@yhavinmiles
@yhavinmiles 4 жыл бұрын
@@kenichi1132 ??? where did you even get this thought from? nothing in the game ever says he uses adam instead it says completly different and so does the book...
@MP112791
@MP112791 5 жыл бұрын
Just discovered your channel. Loved the Bioshock and MGS2 analysis. I played those games at an age I couldn't fully wrap my mind around their concept. Now I understand the depths these games told in their story.
@zayl777
@zayl777 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful use of Tchaikovsky to introduce a character with an Imperial Russian past.
@DJTS1991
@DJTS1991 Жыл бұрын
A friend bought this for me today. It's bizarre how well this game has aged psychologically, philosophically... and more importantly in 2023, politically. Wow.
@MrSiloterio
@MrSiloterio 3 жыл бұрын
The thing that bothers me with Bioshock's treatment of determinism though, is that it delivers its punchline by establishing the premise of being in a reality where only certain actions are being recognized as valid. For example, if we're in an exact situation as Jack, our first instinct would be to dialogue with other people that we meet. We would be asking many questions with Atlas and the others and immediately rationalize the situation. And using the game's logic and coherently follow it, me being able to run around in circles and scavenge every drawer I find without being told "Would you kindly" should have necessitated me being able to also ask questions or at least say something. So in hindsight, I think the game's revelation packed a punch because it had set itself up with specific limitations that only works on that particular scenario. It only made sense because I can't do other things that could derail the outcome of the story. It might be tempting to ponder your own existential reality as a human being because of the game's provocation, but our own existence is totally different to that of Jack's. My final questions would be: if we are determined, are we determined to ask ourselves if we are determined?
@finloveday8860
@finloveday8860 5 жыл бұрын
This needs to been seen by more people, so well done!
@BJ52091
@BJ52091 2 жыл бұрын
As an Objectivist, I don't view Rapture as a sufficient rebuttal against Objectivist philosophy. It is clear from the video diaries and attendant backstory that Andrew Ryan was not an Objectivist proper. His philosophy was a mix of mutually inconsistent Nietzschean and Objectivist principles, a mixture which, with its ingredients dropped from their respective contexts, resulted in irrational behaviors and make it difficult for outside observers to determine the heroes and villains of the Bioshock story. By the start of the game, when Rapture was all but finished, Ryan was an anti-Objectivist dictator under a pro-Objectivist flag, nothing more. Ryan's and Rapture's eventual downfall was a direct logical consequence of his gradual betrayal of his ideals and of reason, not because he was consistent in implementing them.
@chrisbee1984
@chrisbee1984 5 жыл бұрын
You did it Max, great stuff
@CollinMcLean
@CollinMcLean 3 жыл бұрын
Rapture did experience 12 years of immense progress although that progress came at a massive human cost... and eventually that progress stagnated... And just as important the main reason Fontaine was able to gain as much power as he did was precisely because of Ryan's ideals. His anarcho-capitalist utopia created the mass inequality that eventually caused Rapture's society to collapse as the people basically became the ones parasitized by the wealthy and successful... The Big Daddy and Little Sister programs being prime example. Rapture took ordinary people and then twisted them for the sake of profit and sustenance at their cost. The host suffered for the long term sustenance of the other creature...
@raventelevision5382
@raventelevision5382 5 жыл бұрын
As someone who sees the game as an anti-Objectivist piece the argument that Rapture was initially prosperous isn't a good argument. The fact that it started out alright but that human-nature is the reason if failed doesn't somehow invalidate the criticism of Objectivism. The Objectivist society was built by humans for humans to live in. If it fails because it is incompatible with human-nature.... then it is a failed society and ideology. The "it started out pretty good" line isn't unknown to Leftism either. Nobody denies that Capitalism was generally a good force instead of Feudalism. It reorganized the old class system, it gave new industrial methods of production, and similar to your argument lead the way to scientific advancements. If fact Marx wrote about how our factories are so efficient that we have crisis of overproduction when historically its been crisis of underproduction. But that isn't the argument against Capitalism. And it isn't the arguement against Rapture's Objectivist society. Saying "Well they made some cool science projects" doesn't change the fact then when completely isolated at the bottom of the sea like a moon colony and left to its own devices, the Objevtivist society completely collapsed. The ""Human nature just ruins things" literally means that the society was poorly designed for Humans to live in
@emiki6
@emiki6 4 жыл бұрын
I have to point out, that Rapture is not objectivist, it's a twisted objectivism, or I would say radical-capitalism. First I saw this video and after that I searched what is the definition of objectivism. There are similarities with Rian's ideology, but the 2 ideologies are also far from identical.
@bonitaramsingh
@bonitaramsingh 5 жыл бұрын
"That Ryan was a slave..like any other man..to an idea (belief)". If Ryan listened to your last words in Nier:Automata review, he would have happily chosen to be "a slave" to a worthy life asserting existentialist idea (belief) that would help him transcend the suffering of life. Nietzsche in his 'god is dead' commentary laments how men have lost a cardinal source of life transcending "ideas". Rayn falls because he was slave to an idea. But he wouldn't have had strength to conquer recurring nihilism and to moved forward in life, if he hadn't made himself to slave to a worthy belief in the first place. The same requirement of life applied to the other two main characters of Bioshock. Anthropological hindsight clearly shows that it has always been existential belief vs belief in human history, with men holding their respective beliefs true and right. Good or evil, both at the begining and the end of a conflict, got subjectively defined by men in accordance with men's belief-reinforcing self interests. Morever, your comments in the first one minute of 'the shinning' review also need to be juxtaposed right here to highlight the epimestological inadequacy of men in the process of forming their beliefs. Do men make own beliefs or they are merely derived from the congruent beliefs peddled by other authority figures and piedpipers?
@kilimli8824
@kilimli8824 5 жыл бұрын
I guess i know what i will play next, thank you for this beautiful video, excellent analysis
@mezzuna
@mezzuna 5 жыл бұрын
JBP's words were ringing out in my mind before you brought up the Jung quote at the end
@dawsonholliday2740
@dawsonholliday2740 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video max. I’m glad someone has finally looked at the objective truth of raptures politics, and of course I am not surprised that someone was one of my fellow aspies. I have had these sentiments about bioshock since the beginning and I suspect so did most other aspies that played bioshock. The difference is that you actually made a video about it. Thank you for doing so max, and I hope that in the future you will cover bioshock 2 and infinite (please)😁
@KazeVongola
@KazeVongola 5 жыл бұрын
I never really saw Ryan as a villain, but rather a tragic anti-hero. He tried making a better world and succeeded, but as we all know nothing good lasts forever and there was bound to be someone to ruin it all. When I first reached Ryan, all I saw was a broken man and was hesitant on killing him, but the game made it painfully obvious that we don't get a choice in the matter. Pretty fitting with the theme.
@onlyonewhyphy
@onlyonewhyphy 5 жыл бұрын
11:35 - Steady on, there. It's 2019. I might react to your completely neutral and valid observation with a pure unbridled emotional outburst.
@Joawlisdoingfine
@Joawlisdoingfine 5 жыл бұрын
Shots FIRED!! YEAH Seriously nobody can have valid opinions anymore
@korkad_
@korkad_ 5 жыл бұрын
I recently got the remastered versions of bioshock 1 and 2, a nice coincidence
@354Entertainment
@354Entertainment 5 жыл бұрын
Bioshock is one of the best Games ever made!
@iwaswatchingyoutube5345
@iwaswatchingyoutube5345 4 жыл бұрын
Preach
@TK-rz8gb
@TK-rz8gb 5 жыл бұрын
i've never actually had a clear look on the roles of fontaine and ryan, great video also 1000th viewer
@stevensanders9219
@stevensanders9219 5 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel. Good stuff man!
@maxderrat
@maxderrat 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for hanging out, dude! :)
@reddog6229
@reddog6229 5 жыл бұрын
Bioshock 1 had such a great depth of perspectives and differing ideals. Infinite just talked about alternative universes overlapping in a bland manner and a rehash of concepts shown in the original games.
@webkilla
@webkilla 5 жыл бұрын
A man upvotes, a slave obeys
@em-gray
@em-gray 5 жыл бұрын
You 👏 Deserve 👏 More 👏 Subs (...I shall share your channel to every intellectual I know)
@TheDisKit
@TheDisKit 5 жыл бұрын
The quote at the end gave me chills.
@siphiwekaunda4032
@siphiwekaunda4032 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video.
@awordmusictubes
@awordmusictubes 4 жыл бұрын
I luuuv your stuff, the good stuff, the real stuff. Keep it coming :)
@kaliduncanel3356
@kaliduncanel3356 5 жыл бұрын
I love Bioshocks critique of rational individualism because it shows even Fontaines rationale to be somewhat objective. I like to think that he wasn't very altruistic. This creates a narrative similar to the social Darwinism that destroyed Nazi Germany and exposes that wether you hate the weak and unsuccessful you still will either have to live with them, use them, and/or relate them. You'll also see this with people who have narcissistic personality disorder. They have a seemingly logical reason for everything they do which will be based around a different type of will i.e. power, survival. For you to be a narcissists you must think of yourself in regards to others. This can be compounded by the fact that no individual human is truly selfsufficient and seemingly admitting this to say, an objectivist, or conservative makes you a leftist. What about the boon capitalism received from 400 years of free labor in the Americas? What about the fact capitalism was invented by the destruction of the feudal heirarchy? If you base everything from rationality and logic you will subject yourself unknowingly to inherit choatic nature of man as oppose to safeguarding yourself from it.
@siddsen95
@siddsen95 5 жыл бұрын
Both Ayn Rand's works and this game emphasise how lonely it is to be the visionary pioneer. Almost all the protagonists in Atlas Shrugged (the only Rand work I have dared to touch), are tormented from a sense of isolation, intense condemnation of others as well self-loathing towards their base instincts and the pessimism that arises from bearing the weight of their ideals. I am not sure if it was intentional or not, but locating Rapture at the bottom of the ocean is literally and metatextually a brilliant choice. P.S. amazing, amazing video.
@TH3F4LC0Nx
@TH3F4LC0Nx 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not a Randian objectivist, but isolation is simply a part of being an entrepreneur, or "visionary pioneer", as you put it. The hard part is not giving into the longing for companionship, when those potential companions will only bring you down. This is exemplified in Atlas Shrugged when Dagnee tells Franco, (or whatever his name is, I forget), that she is considering intentionally failing her classes so her peers won't resent her for her excellent grades. Franco slaps her because he doesn't want to see excellence and superiority be brought down by the pettiness of less intelligent people. Yes, it's hard to stand alone, but truly great people will take that isolation over "selling out" to people who are beneath them. Yes, there is a certain self-loathing towards the protagonists' base instincts, which I really feel is just Rand letting her own idiosyncrasies bleed through into the book, because if you know anything about Ayn Rand, you'll know that she was, I think it's safe to say, sexually confused, and a major masochist. There is an inherent pessimism also, as you point out, to having to bear the weight of your ideals, if you're the only one bearing that weight. But, that's the struggle that separates the truly extraordinary people from the poseurs. Those who can bear that weight, and take the isolation, are the models of humanity, while those who crack and cave under the pressure simply fade like dry ice. Atlas Shrugged, to be perfectly honest, ain't a great book. If you're interested in Ayn Rand at all, I would recommend reading her first novel, We the Living. Much less preachy and much more concise in what it sets out to say. It's basically just a straightforward condemnation of communism in the format of a historical novel. I couldn't even finish Atlas Shrugged, myself!
@siddsen95
@siddsen95 5 жыл бұрын
@@TH3F4LC0Nx Wow man. Really articulate and insightful. Much more poetically crafted than my little comment. I am glad for the youtube notification ping this evening. Franco is a comic name so let's call him that :) I agree with your interpretations very much. Could not finish the novel as well. I think the game also addresses some of these ideas ( Adam and Eve being an allegory for extraordinary ability and the cost of having it, for example) Thanks for the recommendation. I have heard similar praise for We The Living and your input is welcome.
@GrubKiller436
@GrubKiller436 4 жыл бұрын
That's not a quote from Carl Jung. That's a loose quote from Jordan Peterson who learned it reading Jung.
@ladyfox6705
@ladyfox6705 3 жыл бұрын
Oh how I do love you, dear Bioshock!
@Posit_Zero_Blue
@Posit_Zero_Blue 5 жыл бұрын
This game is overtly anti-Randian and by extension of that philosophy, takes a grim view of laissez faire capitalism as well. Andrew Ryan is a loose anagram for Ayn Rand for crying out loud. The vilian of the game literally describes Objectivism to you. They (the game and game makers) are saying explicitly to you, that this society collapsed because Randian Objectivism leads to corruption, social and wealth inequalities, and ultimately bedlam when the balance shifts. Ask anyone taking philosophy, because I guarantee this particular discussion has come up more than once.
@BasedFish
@BasedFish 5 жыл бұрын
Dude i like this type of content and tank you for explaing spec ops the line
@requiemdermorgenrote4465
@requiemdermorgenrote4465 5 жыл бұрын
My right ear enjoyed this
@Irascibilitiy
@Irascibilitiy 5 жыл бұрын
Gj Max, thanks for blessing us with awesome content~! In a way; it's same with things, things own us, we don't own them.
@divad7137
@divad7137 3 жыл бұрын
12:59 A Max Derrat video without any Carl Jung reference, that is illegal, good the end solved that.
@TH3F4LC0Nx
@TH3F4LC0Nx 5 жыл бұрын
Bioshock is a critique of Ayn Rand's objectivism and capitalism all around. I find it funny that the game developers chose to create a game that portrays a fictional capitalist dystopia, when there are a plethora of real life socialist dystopias that are far worse than anything a video game developer can imagine. But, alas, it's now en vogue to criticize capitalism, even when doing so is essentially biting the hand that feeds. I find it ironic that people who live in a capitalist society like to exercise their right of free speech to criticize the very thing that gives them that right, and extol an ideology that would rob them of that very right in a heartbeat. While I will be the first to admit that capitalism isn't perfect, it's still far superior to socialism and other collectivist ideologies. Capitalism ensures more rights and civil liberties for the individual, because the foundation of a capitalist society IS the individual. But, unfortunately, the concept of individualism is being fast eroded in our world today, with people flocking to collectivist thinking because they think it gives them some paltry form of shelter, blind to the fact that they're only slipping the noose over their own necks.
@luclin92
@luclin92 5 жыл бұрын
it is like the classic saying: the grass is greener on the other side. for i think it is that people are tired of hearing about the super rich going around screwing it for everyone. and yeah keeping individual rights are important, but it seems that most would trade away some rights to get more protection from outside dangers. and i don't really think there is a ton of people being explicit against capitalism it is just that the internet has made it easier for people to say their mind on what they are thinking. it might just be a after effect of the cold war, where both sides went a little nuts on the propaganda and pushed their ideologies a little too far. and yes the sovjets had a pretty fucked up system, but even they had ideas that was worthy of continuing on using, just as captialistic system puts forward a pretty easy incentive to do your best
@TH3F4LC0Nx
@TH3F4LC0Nx 5 жыл бұрын
A lot of what you say is true, but don't think that there aren't people who are explicitly against capitalism. Have you turned on the news lately? We now have blatantly socialist politicians in America, something that should never have happened. And as for people wanting protection over freedom, that's what separates the strong from the weak. You see, there are two kinds of freedom. Freedom to, and freedom from. Capitalism is based more around freedom to, whereas socialism is based more around freedom from. It is a weaker kind of person who would trade their individual rights for the prospect of greater protection, because protection ALWAYS comes at a cost. The Soviet Union "protected" its citizens from anything that might have opened their eyes to the fact that they had been given a raw deal. As for the super rich screwing things up, yeah, some rich people do things that tend to cause people to mistrust them, but most resentment against the "1%" is just propaganda whipped up by socialists in order to breed enmity between the classes. You see, socialists know that if people actually scrutinized their ideology with any depth, they would see that it is in no way beneficial to them. Therefore, they just try to convince people that anyone who is richer than them is bad and deserving of scorn, thereby creating a straw man enemy which keep people from seeing who the real enemy is.
@SIsForSteppi
@SIsForSteppi 5 жыл бұрын
@@TH3F4LC0Nx The idea of socialists isn't neccessarily against richt people, but against the bourgeoisie. The owners of the means of production, taking advantag of the proletarians. This is the initial dilemma, not people getting rich. Rather than blaming the rich, it should be about blaming the system. After all, it's not about getting rich people poor, but rather...getting poor people rich. Since everything is connected.... and millionaires are the mirror of the poor - it should be the goal to somehow find the best of both sites...give the individual freedom, while recognising, every man should have a right to a certain base level of living.
@coolbrotherf127
@coolbrotherf127 2 жыл бұрын
I've played through this game a few times and never realized that Fontane set up the orphanage and the genetics RnD company.
@retorykatwojegostarego7665
@retorykatwojegostarego7665 5 жыл бұрын
absolutley fucking brilliant video
@maladjustedtv
@maladjustedtv 5 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Also loved the Silent Hill red squares vid, & your Tool 46 & 2 vid. New sub 😊👍
@webkilla
@webkilla 5 жыл бұрын
Regarding whether the game was pro or anti objectivism/altruism? No - its a game about extremes. Political extremes. Ideological extremes. That's also, sort of, how Bioshock Infinite sort of works on that level, though it has a ton of other problems that muddy that message really hard.
@БогданМарченко-д2ы
@БогданМарченко-д2ы 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think "Man choose, slave obeys" was mantra. Maybe Rayn understands that he betrayed his ideas and become their slave. He doesn't want to Jack be a slave. That's why he killed himself. Rands pseudo philosophy also highly based on Friedrich Nietzsche philosophy. And this phrase was inspired by Nietzsche philosophy and Dostoyevsky novel "Crime and Punishment".
@winup9417
@winup9417 5 жыл бұрын
PLAY. SYSTEM. SHOCK. 2
@bass-dc9175
@bass-dc9175 5 жыл бұрын
I think you mean: Would you kindly play system shock 2?
@Andrew-fc9pm
@Andrew-fc9pm 4 жыл бұрын
Bioshock is so good I’m so glad I got introduced to it
@Izzy-nh9sk
@Izzy-nh9sk 3 жыл бұрын
Wait so does that mean that bio shock infinite happened before the 1st bio shock? With Elizabeth knowing she would have to sacrifice herself for Jack later on to kill atlas/frank So if I’m not wrong the timeline of the bio shock games would be. 1. Infinite 2. Bio shock 3 Bio shock 2 Hopefully in the 4th bio shock game coming soon they talk more about Jack because I feel like we don’t know him as well. Just that Ryan was his farther and was the ruler of rapture. But yeah let me know if I missed anything did hard bio shock fans.
@brunfranc
@brunfranc 5 жыл бұрын
Will you do videos on other Bioshock games?
@maxderrat
@maxderrat 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sure I will one day. Right now I have to get through a whole bunch of other games for this channel. It's looking like Deus Ex will be the next one I do.
@brunfranc
@brunfranc 5 жыл бұрын
@@maxderrat Woah, are you going to touch on the whole prophetic stuff in the game?
@maxderrat
@maxderrat 5 жыл бұрын
You'll see. ;)
@csabaszabo6859
@csabaszabo6859 5 жыл бұрын
@@maxderrat the first Deus Ex? that would be AWSOME
@lotheravanti4295
@lotheravanti4295 7 ай бұрын
Atlas Shrugged should be taught in school
@jhosright_Motscoud
@jhosright_Motscoud 5 жыл бұрын
I'm literally shaking and crying right now. This video was too strong.
@1danitus
@1danitus 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@everything_popculture
@everything_popculture 5 жыл бұрын
This mans voice is as smooth as Andrew Ryan
@thomaspiscioneri7917
@thomaspiscioneri7917 5 жыл бұрын
👍🏻 haha you finally did bioshock . What a game!
@redboxaffiliate9152
@redboxaffiliate9152 5 жыл бұрын
Please tell me you have done a video for Bioshock Infinite - what a story!
@maxderrat
@maxderrat 5 жыл бұрын
Not yet! It's on my list. :)
@jaydamalley3398
@jaydamalley3398 5 жыл бұрын
Are the framerate issues of the gameplay footage because of your hardware, or because of the video-rendering?
@maxderrat
@maxderrat 5 жыл бұрын
Video-rendering. No idea how to fix something like that.
@thecompletedluigitwat4827
@thecompletedluigitwat4827 4 жыл бұрын
The Fountainhead is often described as a "Far Right" book. And i cant for the life of me, figure out why.. If anything I thought the book was about individualism?
@angolano197
@angolano197 5 жыл бұрын
Loved it
@25meip
@25meip 3 ай бұрын
I only just realized that Andrew Ryan is meant to be a play on the name Ayn Rand
@MrSeagull2000
@MrSeagull2000 5 жыл бұрын
2:40 I heard what you did there
@Survivalist_Redo
@Survivalist_Redo 3 жыл бұрын
10:05 - 10:24 kinda reminds of dio and pucci's idea of heaven
@divad7137
@divad7137 3 жыл бұрын
2:27 I hear autodale music in the background
@TheKageokami
@TheKageokami 3 жыл бұрын
Great series of games
@AgusAndRaven
@AgusAndRaven 4 жыл бұрын
And there's Jung again!
@BullFrogFace
@BullFrogFace 5 жыл бұрын
Great video but why is the gameplay so choppy?
@scottlage8131
@scottlage8131 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@danieldelao1146
@danieldelao1146 5 жыл бұрын
good video I like the route you took
@RedVelvetUnderground333
@RedVelvetUnderground333 5 жыл бұрын
Like all ideologies there’s good and bad to it,and it’s easier to do the bad and exploitation
@jwmdlm07
@jwmdlm07 5 жыл бұрын
I hate when people mistake the belief of no politics in gaming with don’t ram politics down my throat in your game I think when people speak about politics and gaming it’s the latter they’re talking about
@YouTubeGuy_94
@YouTubeGuy_94 5 жыл бұрын
👌
@JohnSmith-ox3gy
@JohnSmith-ox3gy 5 жыл бұрын
Objectivist king and malovelent altruism.
@ThunderBlunt4200
@ThunderBlunt4200 5 жыл бұрын
Would you kindly?
@azanyahyisrael101
@azanyahyisrael101 4 жыл бұрын
Beyondrelevant
@viorelleonte6281
@viorelleonte6281 2 жыл бұрын
Or do a Wrench only (or mostly) playtrough
@JM290900
@JM290900 5 жыл бұрын
I loved your video, however I disagree with the your take that Bioshock is ambiguous in its stances. In a game that deconstructs the illusion of choice in media such as games, the only real "choice" you have is between black and white morality. I am talking about the dilemma between harvesting or saving the little sisters, while not stated outright , the game seemingly incentivizes the altruistic choice over the objectivist one by straight up giving the player more Adam. And lets not forget the ending in which the objetivist side is painted as cartoonishly evil as opposed to the altruistic ending which,in my opinion, is the only real satisfactory ending the game has to offer. Don't get me wrong I absolutely love Bioshock's story, and for the most part it does try to be vague with its message, however all that nuance falls apart when both for gameplay and narrative reasons the game is literally screaming which side is the "moral" one; heck even Ken Levine has admitted in interviews that he regrets how the black and white the ending turned out. Keep in mind that this is my interpretation of just the first Bioshock's story, if we add Bioshock 2 and Infinite into the mix the series as a whole avoids taking sides, however the first Bioshock was written as a standalone story so I think its only fair we judge it as such.
@RadioRetrofuture
@RadioRetrofuture 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I feel those little sister choices were tacked on due to executive discission as it was a trend in gaming in those years. Not only was it poorly implemented (it didn't matter gameplay wise in the long run, therefore the sacrifice wasn't meaningful) it went against the very narrative of the game.
@sieg5573
@sieg5573 5 жыл бұрын
Why the evil choice would be the objectivist one? I'm not an objectivist, but objectivism says that self-happiness is the purpose of a man's life, so both choices can be "objectivist" cause just depends on what gonna make you happy.
@sieg5573
@sieg5573 5 жыл бұрын
And i do believe that rapture is a critique on objectivism, but the little sisters thing is not really a direct critic to objectivism, rapture falling apart is.
@damadkollector
@damadkollector 3 жыл бұрын
Atlas Shrugged part 2 :p
@Forestgravy90
@Forestgravy90 4 жыл бұрын
I personally see it as both ambiguous and anti-extremism, whatever side you may fall on
@Pyromaniac77777
@Pyromaniac77777 2 жыл бұрын
I feel compelled to mention that measuring a city’s success by it surviving for 12 years is absolutely hilarious
@Leon-cd1iy
@Leon-cd1iy 4 жыл бұрын
I’m too fucking stupid for this.
@compuguy123
@compuguy123 5 жыл бұрын
No governments and no archdukes, hurrah, hurrah, just recreational McNukes hurrah! hurrah!
@TheSp1cK
@TheSp1cK 5 жыл бұрын
Would you kindly do infinite. Lol
@ninjammer726
@ninjammer726 5 жыл бұрын
please do a story analysis on ace combat and persona 5 if you have the time
@taban88inbaghdad49
@taban88inbaghdad49 5 жыл бұрын
you can say that people all have different ideas and ideas are a result of their experiences (plus thinking) in life. everyone have different experiences and thinking. with all this diversity it can be said that no system (to govern) is better than the other. there are only suitable system for the people, and purposes, that it serves. no matter how a system is run it must promote humanity and progress.
@Espedals
@Espedals 4 жыл бұрын
Heh, ever heard of System Shock?
@coolbrotherf127
@coolbrotherf127 2 жыл бұрын
System Shock explores mostly different themes even if the gameplay is somewhat familiar.
@zviyeri9117
@zviyeri9117 3 жыл бұрын
i came to this video for story info bc i just finished the game and wanted to know more about the history and lore of rapture but most of it is politics and "both sides bad" talk. why.
@jhaynewe
@jhaynewe 5 жыл бұрын
bioshlong 4
@bighorse9734
@bighorse9734 4 жыл бұрын
not gonna lie those frames sucked in the gameplay haha
@CoryMck
@CoryMck 5 жыл бұрын
Bioshock seemed pretty clear cut to me. Certain people decide to order society based on imagined hierarchies that optimize for the human construct of wealth rather than human happiness and health. I don't understand how you ended up on "the game is unclear because both sides can be good and they had shiny things before they were killed by literal orphan drugs."
@Junior-ul6ic
@Junior-ul6ic 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t like 1 just for the simple fact that it’s just not that fun to me so I’d rather look the story up so I can just skip to 2
@blackscreen8695
@blackscreen8695 4 жыл бұрын
You are hollowbeain
@BgChf-dg5lv
@BgChf-dg5lv 5 жыл бұрын
Damn.
@raccooncityhunk497
@raccooncityhunk497 5 жыл бұрын
3 months ago? You, uh, don't think you're a little late to the party?
@SIsForSteppi
@SIsForSteppi 5 жыл бұрын
It's never too late.
@gch5559
@gch5559 3 жыл бұрын
I love bioshock but its criticism of objectivism is very poor. It actually led me to become an objectivist. It has interesting things to say but I can clearly see that the people who made the game didn't look into objectivism. Ken Levine even said he wanted to make a society like in atlas shrugged and didn't know there was an entire philosophy behind it until it was done. It seems more like a criticism of ancapistan and dictatorship.
@zviyeri9117
@zviyeri9117 3 жыл бұрын
>fascists >collectivism ???? sir do you possess a brain.
@ChamplooEvan
@ChamplooEvan 5 жыл бұрын
“Originality” it’s literally System Shock 2 Good analysis though
@BinaryDood
@BinaryDood 5 жыл бұрын
Im going to stop you right there Bioshock is most definitely not original in anything but setting. The story is beat for beat and the gameplay mechanic for mechanic from System Shock 2
@user-vn7ce5ig1z
@user-vn7ce5ig1z 5 жыл бұрын
Andrew Ryan might want to grab a dictionary because he clearly doesn't know what altruism means; if anything, it's the exact opposite of what he thinks. Hey Ryan, kzbin.info/www/bejne/rabNh4B_jt-Mjsk ¬_¬
@pampoovey6722
@pampoovey6722 5 жыл бұрын
Original? This entire game is a riff off of Ayn Rand. I'm all for analysis, but at least do some basic research.
@maxderrat
@maxderrat 5 жыл бұрын
I... wow... it's like you didn't even watch the video.
@augustobs24
@augustobs24 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, remember all those other games whose lore is based on Ayn Rand's works? Or how all other FPS in the market focused so hard on the story and lore of its universe? How every single one of them sparked a commentary on morality, politics, economics, vice and corruption? How could Bioshock ever be original? I am all for discussion. But for the love of god, use more than 2 neurons.
@holdeeznuts7504
@holdeeznuts7504 5 жыл бұрын
Great analysis but can we get aome fs for the frames lost in this video
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