Bishop Barron and John Allen Jr. on “Catholics and Contempt”

[@zhuangjingmei1168]

I am a non catholic and live across the globe. Knew catholicism from my school days. And was still wondering if I should be baptised as a catholic or protestant. Discovered Bishop Baron's sermons and word on fire accidently. I want to thank Bishop Barron for showing me the path to catholicism. You have cleared all my doubts and queries about the religion. I will be attending the RCIA so that I can be baptised as a catholic. Once again, thank you Bishop Barron. God bless.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

You are baptized into the Body of Christ who is the Church. For a full expression of that Church, become Catholic.

[@geepers]

Be baptized Catholic, and have access to the sacraments, especially Reconciliation and the Eucharist. These are food for the hungry soul.😂😂

[@zhuangjingmei1168]

@@geepersthank you!

[@zhuangjingmei1168]

@@anthonyhulse1248 thank you!

[@marknewbold2583]

It's just like picking a sports team

[@piacrosby687]

Thank you so much Bishop Barron, for the clarification between contempt of the other and righteous anger. Great conversation with John Allen! I am relieved by the sanity of your interaction.

[@josephtravers777]

'Mere Catholicism', why I am a follower. God Bless you, Bishop for keeping it real 🙏

[@utahwandering2817]

My wife and I absolutely love your channel Bishop Barren. God's loving kindness lasts forever!

[@Karen-c3d7i]

Thank you Bishop Barron! Thank you for John Allen! Clarity/Guidance of the Holy Spirit. You both make me so grateful to be Catholic!

[@tonyv7982]

Thank you so much for your work. I rely on your clear articulation to help my family and myself navigate these divided times. Thank you.

[@anniethompson1041]

"reflection has been eviscerated," so true

[@learnindonesiannow2921]

💟.. from Indonesia.. Praise to LORD JESUS CHRIST.. Ave Maria..😇🙏

[@egee4322]

God bless you Bishop Barron 🙏

[@squidward66]

Interesting and encouraging. God bless!

[@tomlabooks3263]

8:39 Bishop Barron’s answer here was SO perfect and spot on. Social media as “tools” increase invectives, but they also influence our actual world.

[@tonox0]

Really interesting talk. Writing this comment out of love and wishing everyone the very best 😊

[@ks7343]

Thank you both for this conversation! So helpful! Thought provoking too!

[@barbaralewis6766]

Thank you for sharing your conversation, Gentlemen. Peace.

[@fr.augustineconnercfr1645]

Excellent interview...Thank you

[@ceciliadreger6319]

Truly he has a deep commitment and he's gifted with catholic contempt in leading the church. No matter what attack he faced every day, he never surrendered his shepherding. He continues imitating Christ on the cross because God has chosen him to bring people together, nurture them in reconciliation, and encourage them in discernment to allow the holy spirit to work directly with them. His mission is always on the lookout for others who were caught up in slavery to be a victim. The Holy Spirit in blessed sacrament leads the bishop, and priest to preach a sermon and to help another innocent victim. God bless you all!!! St. Thomas Aquinas, pray for us. St. Ignatius of Loyola, pray for us. Our Lady of Lourdes, pray for us. Take care. Cecilia Dreger and Family 🙏🏾 be strong ( Bishop Thomas Daly and father Raj).

[@nettieg2be]

I work for the Seattle Archdiocese and am so blessed to be able to evangelize the Catholic faith. I'm proud of my faith and hope others find the love the apostolic church provides. Amen 🙏 Thank you Bishop! You are an amazing servant to our Lord 🙏❤️

[@rcolerobinson]

Beautiful approach

[@georgeparowski1420]

Both Bishop Barron and John Allen are voices crying out in the wilderness. I wish they could moderate traditional and progressive wings to a common goal of propagating the Faith

[@janemazzola4454]

Such an INTERESTING interview between 2 most important personages of our Catholic Faith & the public forum in the USA today. Thank you, Gentlemen!

[@josephsimoncurran9994]

Thanks for a very interesting discussion. I pray that you can continue to avoid contempt in a difficult world

[@zita-lein]

Great interview! ❤️💙

[@marciasummers5090]

It great to see you Bishop and know you are doing well. I miss you over there in Rome, miss you on online. Love you!

[@michaelbergfeld8751]

I enjoyed!

[@alancouvillion6320]

Let me clear up my comment, anyone posting , sharing or preaching the Gospel today is going to be met with contempt. I love Word on Fire. Stay close to the Word of God is all.

[@abiecader]

Thank you for clarifying 😊

[@JosephMichaeloftheCross35]

I agree with you Your Excellency, I know I want to learn and being back your view of the Art of Argument. Of course, I want to be prepared

[@danielfaoro3615]

Argumentation has been replaced with 'reframe the problem' and define your opponents position as invalid. There is no room today for an 'objective truth' because all perspectives are biased in the current deconstructivism based views. Bullying and intimidation is prevalent in many organizations. Civility is absent too often and the noble professions are rare. May we find salvation in the Catholic virtues . thank you for this session.

[@therealong]

@danielfaoro3615 Very good, I think you nailed it. However that shouldn't deprive of answering a comment that contains blatant lies due to fake news and disinformation.

[@danielfaoro3615]

Thank you for your comments, stay strong and with conviction @@therealong

[@vfigueroa3042]

Brilliant conversation about how social media has changed us, and how being sinners fuels our desire to "be right" than be loving or just. I'm guilty and need help here.

[@shaber9]

True to the spirit of “civilized arguing” it would be fascinating - and likely highly informative - to see an in-depth conversation between Robert Barron and Bart Ehrman, two erudite scholars, on the early history of how Christian beliefs evolved.

[@FoodBank-q3n]

They will know we are Christians by our love.

[@mariaogochukwumanu4236]

They require maturity in faith to understand.

[@Praise_and_Worship_NA]

a christmas tree and decorations in front of a fireplace, in the style of luminous light effects, yellow and crimson, realistic chiaroscuro lighting, iso 200, light green and crimson, romanticized country life, light red and dark crimson --ar 16:9

[@michellestansberry9101]

Are you going to say anything about the synod and the pope? It’s kind of a big deal to me as a student in RCIA. Beginning to wonder if I’m in the right place.

[@marypinakat8594]

May God help you. If you are in the habit of listening to everything around and get confused it is important that you educate yourself and pray incessantly and with humility in order to stay on the right path.

[@therealong]

@michellestansberry9101 Sorry, why should Bishop Barron say something here about the Synod and the Pope when he wasn't even asked in the interview? Besides he doesn't read or respond to comments anymore. There also are too many unmonitored web sources that willingly or not sow doubts, and their commenters that engage in gossip and telephone. You really need to learn how to distinguish between fake news and disinformation, and even fake profiles from the real ones. Rule of thumb: Always go to the official sources and reliable sites before you start doubting or wondering about being in "the right place".

[@josephtravers777]

We are called to peace in our faith. God is in control, despite our perceptions.

[@timkeefe7032]

Hi @michellestansberry9101. Appreciate your comment. I’m Praying for you this morning as you continue your journey and discernment during the RCIA process. Not knowing you, I would simply say, if you choose to become Catholic, please become a great ONE! It is not for the faint of heart. We Catholics live with a beutiful joy in relationship with Christ’s true presence, but also with broken hearts over the messiness within our own church. Satan is at work. He will attack our church until the end times. It will not be easy. But we know who wins in the end. Many blessings!

[@therealong]

She's obviously not keen on responding...

[@sonyaneal6539]

Truth is truth, toxic is toxic....weeds are weeds and at the end, wheat is wheat.

[@bozarts22]

Great point, the 2nd step has become "reactive", no longer " reflective". And good, civil (civility, kindness) argument has disappeared. ....but how do you make " real" friends when social media is " virtual".

[@haydongonzalez-dyer2727]

Cool dude

[@maciejpieczula631]

If there is one aspect of Word on Fire that is particularly Vatican 2, it is the esthetic. Although beautiful, the esthetic of centuries gone is rather cumbersome. Without being any less beautiful, Word on Fire has a very elegant esthetic. A good analogy for this is to look what was considered dressing nice in the 16th century (think pompous French king) to what is today considered nice (think 3 piece suit). This could be said more broadly to apply more generally to the hopes of Vatican 2. V2 wanted to take a Church with all its splendor, history, intelligence, beauty etc that was rather unaccessable to many people, ie cumbersome, and make it accessible to many more people without losing any of its substance, ie make it elegant. In other words, the Via Pulchritudinis can be very informative about how to move forward. A great example of the elegant esthetic of WoF is its Bible project. Another very elegant book is its Pivotal Players book.

[@arfink]

9:58 I think you're thinking of Defender, Mr Allen. 😊 Very good discussion though.

[@harryjames2299]

Also the internet makes it easy to live in an enclosed information space; brain immersed in a cluster of like-minded sites and channels that produce enough content to fill each hour with outrage. Who needs to investigate sources and balance arguments? Reasoning is entrusted to someone else.

[@typingcat1814]

I'm curious Bishop Barron, who are your critics on the right?

[@FimiliarGalaxy9]

Literally every Sedevacantist

[@AlgyPug]

Church Militant, EWTN, Michael Matt, The Fatima Center, Lifesite News, Return to Tradition (Anthony Stine), among many others.

[@sara505sings]

The haters.

[@typingcat1814]

@@AlgyPug Thank you for that. I don't generally consume those publications so I was unaware they had gone after Bishop Barron.

[@itinerantpatriot1196]

I can only speak for western culture, more specifically American, but we are a much more coarse society than at any time in my life, and that includes the 60s which was a pretty crazy time. People like "the show" and get a kick out of saying things from the safety of their living room that they would have never dared say 30 years ago out of fear of being ostracized or worse, punched out. I comment on You Tube and tend to ignore the insults but every now and again I will respond. I start by asking where they are coming from, why they believe my position is stupid, or vapid, or any other adjective they apply. Most times they won't tell me. I'm not afraid to engage anyone, but my dad taught me a long time ago to never argue with a blowhard because you can't win. I let that be my personal guidepost but the one thing I won't do is respond to name calling with more name calling. Honestly, that's just not how I was raised. But that's me. Great interview. I enjoy Word on Fire as well as other Catholic channels that have a slightly different flavor. Keep up the good work and God Bless.

[@SempreGumby]

Did the Episcopalians have this conversation back about 2000 ish when they split up? Seems like we just missed it or it was hidden.

[@francesbernard2445]

I am all ears and eyes right now while watching this video. Perhaps I can find a better way to respond if a client were to slap me on the face again when they are disagreeing with what I have said there while servng them? I must have done something right there the first time I experienced a situation like that because they converted to Christianity while removing their household idol which they were offering coins to after that. Not only that. They wrote a reccomdation to school authorites to say that I deserved to be accepted into that post secondary program. Where instead of being in a healthy atmosphere for my success too then I was often being told that I would have to adapt to arbitrary abrupt mid semester changes in their rules made special for me there. That had nothing to do with so called continuing to be pagans there too. Probable it was far more to do with A.I. Trying to push someone often into a state of irrational desire for revenge only so you can in self-righteous rhetoric be claiming that their whole community or in some cases half the earth is holding only heathen looks way more instead like the same right from the start. Who started that sort of thing around the year 1054? Nobody can remember anymore who started it. The 2 men in this dialogue are right when saying that sometimes stating the truth is ill advised. Like whenever someone high up in political power has said to the world they are Christian and then claims they never sin while needing to repent and that they are becoming like another Peter the Great too. All which made offering coins to a statue look far less boding and scary enough to tempt me into believing that maybe I would become in both mortal and moral danger if that reincarnated 'Peter the Great' managed to next annex Alaska too. That soon after hearing about it felt way too close for comfort for me to be continuing in my old when young people pleasing passive-aggressive tendencies while trying to keep my mouth shut with my mind on my own business always. Most of all when social media started denouncing our fellow Christian patriarch Bartholomew instead of that reincarted 'Peter the Great'.

[@reniaesaddler8632]

God allowed 12 tribes of Israel. Why can’t we be tribal and still one? “There are many mansions in my father’s house,” Jesus said. Whatever is good, true and beautiful, this should be allowed. Why not? Perhaps it’s not that we have our little tribes but that we are at war rather than seeking peace and greater unity. If we can be completely unique as individuals but still one, surely we can be unique individuals within our unique groups/tribes within one common Church under One God, who is three persons while still one.

[@MissingTheMark]

It would be useful to get some ideas on how to handle an ex hominae argument - where a person makes himself a premise in his argument. (The classic example is "I did this and I turned out fine".) Particularly when he is the only weak point of his (simple) argument.

[@therealong]

@MissingTheMark Are you sure you want to know? LOL

[@christopher4192]

I'm not sure I follow, @MissingTheMark. I may have misheard, but I thought they were talking about 'ad hominem' arguments. That is to say, exchanges in which you attack your opponent rather than arguments he has presented to support his proposition. An old example might have been: 'I'm not even going to consider the detail of what X has been saying. All we need to know is that he's a communist and therefore a trained liar!' Your example of 'I did this and I turned out fine' could be a legitimate response; it depends on the proposition that is in issue. Suppose my opponent is arguing that there is not a single person in the world who has beaten the breathyliser by eating a bowl of cat food immediately after his last drink. It would be legitimate for me to reply 'Well I did, and I turned out fine when the police stopped me and tested me as I was driving home.'

[@MissingTheMark]

@@christopher4192 they were talking about ad hominem arguments. But an ad honimem is the only rebuttal to an ex hominae argument. Eg if I argue "1. my judgment is infallible 2. It is my judgment that all priests should item give standard poodles 3.therefore all priests should own five standard poodles" the argument is valid and (for the sake of argument) premise 2 is true. This the only possible rebuttal is to premise 1, but that is an ad hominem argument. The problem is that the man has made himself a premise in his own argument so to attack the argument is to attack the man. (it's not strictly necessary, but in practice ex honimae arguments tend to be valid and simple with the minor premise being trivially true)

[@christopher4192]

@@MissingTheMark Interesting - I don't recall hearing of an 'ex homine' [ablative case, surely?] argument, but I see the point.

[@MissingTheMark]

@@christopher4192 so far as I know, I coined the term. :)

[@sonyaneal6539]

How does one associate, or engage the average Catholic, with the secular Christian seeker? Attacker or apologetisist?

[@bozarts22]

Contempt contains an element of jealousy in it wrecognizes, neither recognozes, nor talks or writes about.❤

[@therealong]

@bozarts22 ?

[@bozarts22]

We must recognize that jealousy enters into feelings of contempt. No one seems yet to make that connection. Sorry, my thing messed up the first sense.

[@judycallaghan4889]

I wondered if I should question my doctor of her position on abortion?

[@alancouvillion6320]

Forgive me in advance, either I am delusional about the faith or perceptive; not sure which. If we are to catch the ear of the Catholic today, it had better be real and connective to issues we face. Focused on the Word of God or the action of the incarnation, the rest is icing. Word on Fire is full of contempt for the non believer and fallen away Catholics.

[@damianflanagan7359]

Hmm…I have listened to Barron a lot and fail to see his contempt.. So I’m curious to know where you see the contempt.. As Bishop and priest he is (as I see it) trying to bring Catholics back to the fold..

[@marypinakat8594]

​@@damianflanagan7359 I do observe that as well. Thank you✨🙏👍

[@marypinakat8594]

@brendamyc3173 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

[@abiecader]

Focus on the word of God… very good point. I am really curious and am asking to learn from you. How do you interpret the word of God? Share your process please. Thanks.

[@marypinakat8594]

​@@abiecader It could well be that Bishop Barron and his ministry is new to you or else you would not have made a request of this sort.

[@krobson4640]

Wish he'd asked Bishop Barron to comment on the Popes apostasy and firing of traditional Bishops. Perhaps I've answered my own question lol

[@sisterwrath1773]

I believe the critiques to Bishop Barron are petty and out of place.

[@2Uahoj]

What neither man has the courage to say as the cause of Catholic contempt - but which is the obvious elephant in the room - is "Francis, Francis, Francis." Yes, he is our Pope and we pray for him, but he has made some absolutely terrible decisions and statements, sowing confusion and division. And this is not a view of extreme right wing Catholic fanatics only, but has become a mainstream view. Praying for the Pope is no longer an option, but a critical necessity. Lord help us.

[@christopher4192]

I wonder if this is really a question about style of leadership. Some people might like an approach which suggests 'We're all in this together. I'm not sure how far we can rely on past approaches to all our problems. But I don't have all the answers, so let's discuss it.' Others prefer an approach that sets considerable store on clarity, certainty, order, and stability. They would probably regard the first approach as a dereliction of duty. My instinct is that the first approach belongs to the leader of a postgraduate seminar rather than the leader on earth of the Catholic Church. (But who am I to judge?)

[@2Uahoj]

@@christopher4192 Well, if you have ever owned a business with employees, let alone a global business like Microsoft, let alone a global organization with billions of members like the Church, you know instantly that the collegial method, simply cannot work at the very top level (at lower levels, yes). The situation quickly melts down into chaos. Organizations are hierarchical - not just for their own fun - but for a purpose, which is to give direction to the whole. When that direction is lost, things can go spinning out of control very quickly.

[@marypinakat8594]

​@@2Uahoj If two hundred plus years have not proved such fears are mostly imaginary and so out of place, then I'm afraid that you might go to your grave with those fears alongside robing you of peace and joy.

[@marknewbold2583]

Not a Catholic or a believer in fairy tales but this pope is pretty good

[@2Uahoj]

@@marknewbold2583 Huh?

[@offthecuff7.]

What do you really think of Pope Francis’policies?

[@FimiliarGalaxy9]

He’s a Pope he has emphases not policies

[@michaelmicek]

If the question is for Bishop Barron, you can save effort by assuming he's in agreement with them. If you want John Allen's opinion, he does a show "Last Week in the Church" here on KZbin where he editorializes every week.

[@matthewhartt5887]

Why does the Bishop have so much antipathy for non-Catholic Christians?

[@therealong]

@matthewhartt5887 Does he? You haven't followed with everything he has posted through the years, I guess. 🙂