Bishop Barron on Pope Francis, Tradition, and John Henry Newman

[@KG004]

I like Newman and Chesterton because they were clear. I like clarity, it helps keep you on the right path. You can have change and clarity but it’s dangerous to use change as a tool for ambiguity. Lack of clarity will lead people down the wrong path. Leaders are accountable for their clarity.

[@joeheppell7085]

KG where does Bishop Barron lack clarity exactly?

[@KG004]

Joe Heppell Bishop Barron is quite clear in his defense of Pope Francis. He does it the same way he defended Amoris Laetitia but drawing our attention elsewhere. The Pope often makes comments that cause confusion. He does this often enough that I suspect he is doing this on purpose. This confusion and ambiguity is very frustrating because it only hinders the path to holiness, a narrow and difficult path to begin with. In this case as with the case with Amoris Laetitia I feel like Bishop Barron is defending the confusion instead of helping people stay on the path. Isn’t that one of the main purposes of these two Shepherds, to help guide us down the path to holiness?

[@eldermillennial8330]

minorityvoice The foundation of rationalizing this kind of thing is precisely WHY I have had to turn on Newman and Church tradition in one crucial way to defend the dogma fundamentally in ALL other ways: Infallibility. Papal Infallibility is the theory that Popes literally cannot teach error; God directly will not allow them to be heterodox in any public context. Theologians from Aquinas to Newman defended this theory as Dogma based on the evidence of the first Millennium, in which the Popes were all INDISPUTABLY all orthodox, INCLUDING by Eastern Orthodox Standards. This is a fact and I do not dispute it in the least. It has always been the foundational evidence for the Pope’s supreme jurisdiction. However, I no longer believe that scholastic fathers and latter defenders such as Aquinas and Newman interpreted the evidence correctly. Here’s a thought experiment: How do you tell the difference between a prodigy that RARELY makes a mistake or tells a lie, so rarely that he’s the last of his peers to make such an error and did so under circumstances that did not make the error self evident (even though it was soon obvious to his peers), and him actually being so perfect as to never actually make a mistake? Where Aquinas’s “On the Errors of the Greeks” goes wrong is that his whole argument for Universal Papal Jurisdiction is predicated on the Popes having never taught Error and several Eastern Patriarchs having taught Error. This was true on the face of it, at least up to 1054, when the Popes began acting with force like universal jurisdiction should be dogma (even though a formal pronouncement of such had to wait for Vatican 1). But here’s the great irony from the more nuanced Orthodox perspective: The First Error taught by the Popes was that they “COULDN’T” teach Error. But THAT error could only be proven by its own internal standard when another error was eventually taught that could contradict it. Where the average Greek and such others have been wrong is thinking the main issue was Filioque, but that’s putting the keg before the fuse. No, (at least until a LEGITIMATE Ecumenical Council could decide otherwise), Filioque could never have been anything more than a popular opinion in the Latin Rite IF the Popes had never overstepped their jurisdictional authority, as it had been recognized universally throughout the whole first Millennium. Subsequently, whether or not Filioque and ALL subsequent scholastic theories that became official dogma are ONLY official Dogma because of that first Error and are subsequently subsets of that error at worst; at best, they are legitimate theories that need a proper ORTHODOX Ecumenical Council at best to re-evaluate them as plausible dogma. But WHAT second Error has made me doubt the first and realize Papal supremacy is a mistake? The long term legacy of Vatican 2 and the subtle yet devastating errors of the last three Popes that simply should not have been possible if God would never EVER allow error to be taught. Bugnini created and implemented the Liturgical Time Bombs That continued to Devastate the Liturgy and cohesion of the Church to this day. But, contrary to Sedevist conspiracy theories, John 23 and Paul the 6th and John Paul 1st had nothing directly or indirectly to do with this. Bugnini fooled EVERYONE until an investigative journalist shared evidence that Bugnini was a Freemason with Paul 6th in 1976. He then Had Bugnini exiled to the most remote Christian community in Iran to be kept out of further trouble while the investigation continued. He knew that the safest course of action for repair of the liturgy while also reducing the likelihood of a mass exodus of liberal leaning Catholics from the Church was to gather OVERWHELMING evidence to justify Excommunicating Bugnini. I have no idea how much progress to that end that Paul’s investigation made in the two years he had left, but it was shelved upon his death and never really got off the shelf again. JP1 never got the chance and JP2 had other priorities during his first year. Then the Iran Hostage Crisis occurred, and Jimmy Carter made Bugnini seem like an international hero for the part he played as negotiator. THIS, I had the epiphany, was the most important moment in Papal history since the Great Schism. Why? Well, if JP2 had ignored this international development and simply had continued the investigation, within a year or so, he could have excommunicated Bugnini and allow him to try to defend himself but I very much doubt he would have succeeded in a fair hearing. Most crucially: EVERYTHING he did as a priest, depending on when he became a secret Mason, would have been declared null and void... ...INCLUDING HIS TIMEBOMBS! The liturgy could have been repaired in one swift stoke! The past 40 years of nonsense and growing heresy could have been avoided. But JP2 chose NOT to do this. He tacitly embraced what he KNEW to be an error for earthly politics. He knew that excommunication of their favorite bishop ESPECIALLY after he helped save American lives would have Caused a liberal mass exodus into other denominations... ...but, SO WHAT??? Who CARES if the likes of Nancy Pelosi world have all become Episcopalians or Unitarians or whatever squishier nothing ‘religion’? Good riddance. He would have avoided tacit endorsement of by then obvious errors. But his choosing to let Bugnini go is NO DIFFERENT from endorsing him as far as Vatican 2’s long term legacy is concerned. We are swimming in heresy and Benedict’s lame attempts to fix the problem without addressing Bugnini directly either is telling, in part because if he had, he would have deservedly so been ostracized for not having advised JP2 to have excommunicated him. And now we have Francis, who is relighting many fuses that had been SAFELY disarmed. He shows tacit approval of all that Bugnini did, which was itself inspired by the same heresy that governs them both: “Liberation Theology”. The Orthodox were right about Jurisdiction, which is why I now consider myself Western Orthodox, or what Roman Catholics SHOULD be.

[@tryhardf844]

@@eldermillennial8330 So the orthodox chutch is the real one?

[@musicsavantaccountant5856]

@Collins Anosike I also miss Pope John Paul 2.

[@mariab.774]

Thanks, Bishop Barron, for speaking the true Catholic doctrine. There are many people listening to you who are grateful for your courage and your fidelity to the Catholic Church. Just keep doing this, please!

[@mariab.774]

@Mises Hayek “Doctores tiene la Santa Madre Iglesia”. Don’t think you’re one of them.

[@marypinakat8594]

For everyone's information, *@ Mises Hayek* is known for his comments against Bishop Barron.

[@thomasdobbs6676]

@@m-hayek1985 its never been condemned as heresy, an a number of the Fathers held it.

[@thomasdobbs6676]

@@m-hayek1985 St. Clement of Alexandria, Origen, St. Ephrem the Syrian, and St. Maximus....

[@thomasdobbs6676]

@@m-hayek1985 its not false, look up the Fathers, it's not hard to read the stuff.

[@thekingofmoab1181]

There is no Right or Left in Catholicism, only Orthodoxy and Error.

[@gdienforcer7870]

Wise

[@Marco85111]

yes......just don't be an ass correcting people though and use fear to force them to follow god. People should have a better attitude trying to correct people, especially online

[@angelicdoctor8016]

yes, and the core of orthodoxy is orthopraxy, since as Thomas says "to love God is something greater than to know Him"

[@thekingofmoab1181]

@@Marco85111 it's a quote from someone. I'm still trying to find who.

[@thekingofmoab1181]

Finally, I found it. It's a variation of Timothy Stanley's quote "In Catholicism, there is no right or left but only orthodoxy and error."

[@williamarmstrong1045]

Thank you Bishop Barron, I am hearing this KZbin video 4 years after you produced it, and after a considerable period of being torn between the traditional mass and the Novus ordo. I’ve been struggling with this. Your explanation and teaching is a tremendous help to me And my faith. God bless you.

[@paulariveroayerza7590]

I'm a catholic, from Argentina, I got to you through Jordan Perterson who I have been reading and listening thes last months. I am gratefull, my mind and soul feel expanded and hungry for more. thank you

[@directdecker30]

Amen, peace be with you, Bishop Barron!! You helped me examine that in order to truly love and appreciate the beauty of everlasting truth, (Doctrine, Tradition, Love) we must keep moving to labor for its vitality and virtue in an authentic manner. A garden doesn't grow its beauty of truth if I just do nothing at all. The Church is a living garden that through the sacraments and the Holy Spirit, nourishes the soul. In that sense, authentic change, not a socialized political concept of it, but true change is the most authentic way to preserve the beauty of truth from becoming stale, complacent, and empty of Joy, Grace, Charity, Hope, and Love. May the Holy Spirit be with you...

[@Thomas-dw1nb]

GK Chesterton's illustration on the white fence post was about true effective reform, not effecting change. To Chesterton, change was the only inevitable constant; therefore, occasional true reform was necessary in order to ensure a thing remain the same, (ie. periodically cleaning or whitewashing the fence post). His point was that reform was a tool to be used by the church in order to remain unchanged and un-corrupted, to restore it to what it was intended to be, not to change it. I never understood his illustration to be about the development or changing of doctrine to keep with modern or contemporary times. In fact, Chesterton was quite the firebrand against changing with the times. "Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." "A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it."

[@teresaegger5097]

Exactly

[@lesliemashonga861]

Exactly😂😂

[@reubenrodrigues7962]

Always a pleasure to listen to ur short reflection on these matters, thanks for helping me increase my knowledge n reaffirm my faith in the Catholic Church.

[@lawmaker22]

so much energy in bishop barron, God bless him!

[@marypinakat8594]

Loved the 'museum analogy', the 'garden of life', the 'animals', the 'fence post', the 'car', every organistic account. Also Newman, Chesterton and above all Pope Francis and Tradition. Huge Thanks!

[@seriouscat2231]

How can you at the same time love Tradition and love it when someone ridicules and insults Tradition?

[@marypinakat8594]

@@seriouscat2231 Serious? Please explain a bit. Thank you.

[@marypinakat8594]

@@claymcdermott6945 I need neither you or Chesterton or even Pope Francis or any other Pope to teach me the right and wrong about certain things. Also I have no taste for materials milled out from Gossip factories.

[@marypinakat8594]

@@claymcdermott6945 I don't know what is your goal. Even if you have the best of them I believe that the means of achieving them have to be at least good. Where is the requirement for certain kind of language and what really should they indicate?.

[@marypinakat8594]

@@claymcdermott6945 Please, I won't be bullied either by yours or anybody else's words. Words abused becomes language. I have no regard for your thoughts of hatred. No one will live a happy life by looking at someone's ugliness forever. Why don't you move away and be free? My comment on the Page is a comment for the video. They are my own thoughts. There are others who shared my thoughts as well.

[@byroncrowell1127]

Bishop, maybe i'm missing your subtleties here but what doctrinaires are currently being changed for which you are providing texture? Are we talking about the change in the text of the Our Father, the debates about returning to the Latin mass, the ongoing attempts to normalize homosexuality in doctrine? Can you be more specific about the current "changes" that deserve this nuanced consideration? God Bless.

[@Eowyn77]

Please make more of these old-school videos, Bishop, it's such a relief to focus on the content instead of watching the highly edited newfangled stuff

[@analuciasequeiracastro9132]

As always, an awesome video. The Catholic Church cannot be simplified using the terms liberal or conservative. The Church is older and wiser than any current or new ideologies of any time. We belong to a living body, because Jesus Christ is alive. Thanks again Bishop, I love your videos.

[@analuciasequeiracastro9132]

I think someone else here doesn't know Catholic Church dogmas. Peace in Christ, brothers.

[@marypinakat8594]

For everyone's information, @Mises Hayek, the commenter is known for her posts against Bishop Barron.

[@marypinakat8594]

For everyone's information, @ Mises Hayek, the commenter is known for his comments against Bishop Barron.

[@marypinakat8594]

@@m-hayek1985 Glad you proved. Let everyone judge by themselves.

[@tanieshasimmons5212]

I love these videos; I'm glad for a break from the video chat. Also, yes Bishop Barron! This is amazing content, and I appreciate the message.

[@DAmend3]

Amen, Ms. Simmons. These vids are refreshing. I am a mass attending Catholic who has been to churches filled old school pre Vat 2 types and liberation theology Catholics. Thankfully, this guy is neither. He's a Bishop who is also a thinker and a regular dude. I don't understand any disdain for this Bishop. I am with you. I Really dig these presentations.

[@selvitr3945]

Watching after a wannabe silent me thinking if a priest like Bishop Barron could throwback in anger

[@marypinakat8594]

For everyone's information *@ Mises Hayek* is known for his comments against Bishop Barron.

[@seriouscat2231]

@@marypinakat8594, you must think everyone here is very stupid. Mises Hayek has a point here.

[@marypinakat8594]

@@seriouscat2231 Seriously cat ...

[@Regis596]

Your excellency, could you give us here on your channel an explanation of heresy of modernism?

[@antoniusrusticus383]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaGld4V7j6eepa8 This is Pope Pius X on Modernism.

[@IONATVS]

Mises Hayek Ultimate Universal Salvation is not a modern idea, it was first proposed by Blessed Origen, generally regarded as the first pist-biblical Christian Theologian. It has never been accepted as doctrine, and was deemed one of the 3ish minor heresies that are the reasons Origen has never been sainted, but not for the reason you would immediately think-the Church even then did consider it possible that the final judgement at the end of time might not be identical to the particular judgement they were given upon their death, or that Jesus might make a second march through Hell to rescue those who are contrite and willing to accept God’s forgiveness, and many bishops of the time approved of the idea of praying for such a final ultimate forgiveness, to hope beyond hope that even Judas and the Devil might see the error of their ways and seek atonement as their kingdoms goes empty under their feet...Origen’s stance was still considered heretical, but not because he believed all *could* be saved, rather because he believed all *would* be saved, as God guaranteeing/predestining such an outcome would violate the free will he gave humans and demons to resist his perfect love. Thus even in the oldest traditions of the church, they recognized that while Hell probably *won’t* be empty at the end of time, as many of its denizens will probably stubbornly refuse salvation until they waste away into the total nonbeing of Sin, they never ruled it out as impossible, and, while maybe a bit imprudent in its optimism and idealism, it is never *wrong* to hope & pray for another’s salvation, no matter how awful they were or are.

[@IONATVS]

@@m-hayek1985 You seem to not comprehend the subtlety of nuanced positions in argumentation that can reject some parts but accept others. The Church did indeed rule the idea of Ultimate Universal Salvation heretical BUT IN THEIR REFUTATION made it clear that the basic premise (that all people can be saved) was *not* the problem, merely that he took the postion too far (that all people will be saved). The bishops of the Church *explicitly* ruled that parts of his position were salvageable and worthy of further consideration. Which is why his name is in the LITANY OF SAINTS as one of the CHURCH FATHERS despite 3ish minor heresies (all of which were only officially ruled heretical after his death, so he never schismed with the church, and therefore physically could not repent of them before death). If the doctrine of purgatory had been fully formed at the time, he would have been taught as one of the clearest examples of someone who needed a short stint there to be purified before entering into the glory of heaven with his fellow Doctors of the Church. He was a flawed sinner like we all are, but his work, while flawed like himself, was vastly influential upon the generation of theologians and apologists, like St. Augustine, that followed after him and part of the very Sacred Tradition you claim to be defending.

[@marypinakat8594]

For everyone's information, *@ Mises Hayek* is known for his comments against Bishop Barron.

[@marypinakat8594]

@@m-hayek1985 The thousands of viewers of the video are not stupid.

[@jacobc6556]

Bishop Barron, have you read Dr. Marshall's new book, Infiltration? It is proving incredibly popular among faithful Catholics. Even if you disagree with the premise of the book, I think you will need to read it in order to continue to dialogue with Catholics worried about the corruption within the Church. I therefore strongly recommend reading it or doing an interview with Dr. Marshall.

[@janewallace3490]

Yes, Bishop Baron please read Dr. Marshall’s book and accept an interview.

[@antaine1916]

Yes! I'd love to see a "Bishop Barron on 'Infiltration' " video giving your take on the book, as well as an interview between you and Marshall.

[@hidustshadow]

Yes, please read Infiltration by Dr. Marshall Book.

[@conservativehawk]

Bishop Barron is sober as usual. If you read America Magazine and a few opinionists over at First Things on what the Holy Father said, then Bishop Barron's point is perfectly illustrated.

[@seriouscat2231]

He is incredibly deceptive here. You just don't know the theory behind the devices he uses constantly. He hardly says anything straight. Now if there are some dorks in America Magazine or First Things, that neither excuses nor saves Bp. Barron here.

[@1sola1verita40]

Thank you soooo much, Bishop Barron!! You have dealt with these delicate topics so well, so clearly. I have had similar ideas but don't have the eloquence to express them so articulately. A very important message to all, but especially those caught up in the (not so silent) battle between liberals and conservatives. Sadly, I feel that many people today misunderstand Pope Francis, and do not realise the enormous challenges he faces in today's chaotic and rapidly-changing world. I am really sad to see so much mud-slinging among Christians online, so your frank, lively speech is a very welcome change, and should clarify the matter for anyone who cares to listen! God bless!

[@KurtGodel432]

Many of us however have some serious problems with the Novus Ordo Missae (which Newman never saw) because it is such an enormous departure with the Tradition of the Church. This is a problem that has not yet disappeared.

[@LaPropiaYolaPildoras]

Thanks my dear bishop Barron, as soon as I get out of the office I will put my attention to this interesting issue that is making some conflicts in our dear church

[@peipappy615]

I am no theologian and don't have the scholastic insight to add much to this conversation. However, I have read a number of thoughtful responses to this video that helped me understand why I am uncomfortable with some of the public statements our Holy Father has made and why I am at unease with the Amoris Laetitia document. As a layperson trying to make sense of the controversy, I believe the distress amongst us is the confusion Pope Francis’s statements are causing. I truly believe that a lack of clarity in his statements and the seeming lack of willingness to clarify his statements are what confuses the “average joe” like me. KG had stated earlier; “... it’s dangerous to use change as a tool for ambiguity. Lack of clarity will lead people down the wrong path. Leaders are accountable for their clarity.”. Amen. I agree with this whole heartily. In addition, Bishop Barron states: “to live is to change. To be perfect is to change often”. I am also uncomfortable with this statement. Although he proposes we should not change doctrine to appease the morality and values of the era we live in, that particular statement, to the average layperson, seems to imply we need to change for the sake of change and it is not helpful in the clarification of these issues. We have a colloquial expression where I live that states “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” We don’t see where the declarations of the Council of Trent is broken, so there’s no need to fix it. We don’t see where JPII’s developed doctrine on communion for the Divorce and remarried is broken, so don’t fix it. To many of us, it is not only dangerous to use change as a tool of ambiguity, it seems Pope Francis is deliberately using ambiguity as a tool to affect change. For me, these approaches do nothing to instill trust and confidence in our leadership. I have to agree with the majority here. "Clarity" is the main issue with Pope Francis’s statements, not change.

[@photoelitevideo]

I rather cover myself with the ashes of tradition than to take the flowers of protestantism.

[@BishopBarron]

Which means...what?

[@photoelitevideo]

@@BishopBarron Your Eminence, what I mean by that is, that I prefer a church of Holy Apostolic Tradition than a progressive church that caters to the desires of the world. A church that teaches the truth rather than a church that is so unrecognizable it's almost protestant. A church that is willing to suffer rather than giving up to modernism. I love you bishop, and all of those in charge of the magisterium. God bless you and thank you for giving up your life to church.

[@papactoe5546]

Still waiting for an answer to the Dubia...

[@boygmx1677]

the dubia is dead because the dubia itself is a form of Radical conservatism heresy....

[@papactoe5546]

@@boygmx1677 LOL. As Conner Warren posted... "There is no Right or Left in Catholicism, only Orthodoxy and Error." Which makes you and Jimmy Martin... Error.

[@boygmx1677]

@@papactoe5546 ?? and what is orthodoxy...it's a living tradition that develops and not dead...Even our bible is a product of doctrinal development....It took time for the church to recognize the book of Revelation as canonical book of the bible...as well as the book of hebrews.... Even our definition of Trinity took some time to develop... That is what orthodoxy is...

[@papactoe5546]

@@boygmx1677 Catholicism 101: the teachings of the Catholic Church do not change, because they come from God. Once established, finito. The holy grail of PF and his modernist crowd - that would include you - is the acceptance of homosexual acts and the 'marriage' that goes along with it. Admit it. Question... instead of trying to destroy the Catholic Church, why don't all of you just go and become Anglican or Lutheran? They're already there - lesbian ministers, gay marriage, fun music and no silly cookie. Just you and whatever you imagine Jesus to be.

[@boygmx1677]

​@@papactoe5546 LOL...really??...there are 10 commandments....all the 10 commandments are sinful....But we know through development of doctrine, there are exceptions to the rule...Killing by self defense is excusable....taking someones belonging by ignorance or accident are excusable....These are not written in 10 commandments....It is part of development of doctrine by applying God's law justly and mercifully....

[@chrissnowden8480]

I think there is a systemic problem with society when "conservative" and "liberal" are the two answers to the question of history. I think Nietzsche's finality of becoming overshadows much of the conversation. It grounds the formless acceptance in "liberals" and the paranoid fear of "conservatives."

[@WeirdEducator]

Thank you for this video. I’m waiting to hear for a rebuke of those who are pretty hateful toward Pope Francis and don’t demonstrate any charity toward him or his office.

[@teresaegger5097]

I would not say most are hateful toward Pope Francis. Many are praying for him to be a pope who speaks with clarity and the TRUTH.

[@CatholicBeardReviews]

God bless bishop Barron and god bless my brothers and sisters in Christ

[@paulkiernan2632]

Is it so difficult to admit how much we have a rogue pope to deal with? How often the enemies of Christianity have commended him.

[@theacm4741]

The worst thing we need today as young Catholics is instability of Church Doctrine. In a constantly changing world and it's views. I prefer not to change but to develop that means what the church teaches from the beginning should still be the core of the development of the change we needed to live continually.

[@angelicdoctor8016]

Church Doctrine is organic, but stable, as usual … your preference to not experience change needs to change

[@theacm4741]

Angelic Doctor as of now it is still arguably stable . I know that but the over progressive agenda that is obviously lurking around on the Church Doctrines isn't helping anyone especially the younger generation. The constant unrefined and indirect answers for some Church Doctrines for our further understanding as developing Catholics leads us to nowhere. We as generation is never afraid to change especially our views but if the Church is serious to claim that it teaches the truth of Christ and that it holds to be the Church that He has founded then it should stand firm and reaffirm it's more than thousand years of teachings history without hesitation. For me the TRUTH doesn't change .

[@angelicdoctor8016]

Peace be with you, Thea. The Truth does not change - yes. However, what Francis is pointing out is from the teaching of Thomas Aquinas. The moral law being the truth never changes, but human beings are broken in different ways, and so not everyone can respond to the moral law equally. Hope that helps!

[@yakuza982]

Catholics on my end of the spectrum (extraordinary form attending, etc) felt attacked by this comment because it validates common misunderstandings about our place in the Church. Traditions such as the extraordinary form, receiving on the tongue,brown scapulars, prayer centered charisms, all of which are either locally or universally being suppressed, are not ashes. For us millions of Catholics they are precisely are that following garden of life. Please respect that.

[@demystify2022]

You’re putting words in his mouth. He didn’t condemn any of those traditions.

[@yakuza982]

Actions speak louder than words. The Holy Father has removed most of the extraordinary form masses that were once everywhere in St Peters. On his orders The Franciscan Sister of the Immaculate Heart are being suppressed for having a “pre-councilor formation,” local priests in my diocese have refused to enroll people in the superstitious brown scapular, in Chile a bishop denied communion to those who would receive kneeling. Again, it’s the atmosphere that already exists in the church that he is reinforcing.

[@demystify2022]

Mark Ford I’m not familiar with the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate Heart but I think Pope Francis and Bishop Barron would be sympathetic to your concerns. I think it’s also important to be respectful of Church Law which is a tradition going back to the beginning. Why do you think brown scapulars are superstitious?

[@Hohniker]

There are a lot of words here, but not much clarity. It's simple. Conservatives like tradition; liberals seem not to. These aren't two extremes that need to be equally condemned. In fact, "Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honoured with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence." CCC 82. I think you're actually making the opposite point you're trying to. Yes, Tradition is like a car. If you don't use it, it will deteriorate. Yes, Tradition is like white fence. If you don't constantly paint it white, it won't stay white. You won't keep it white by painting it pink. These are arguments for keeping the Tradition, not abandoning it. Change Doctrine to keep it itself? Since Doctrine can't change, I suppose you're saying that our understanding of it changes. But surely, if someone proposes something about Doctrine that contradicts the Church's established teaching on that same Doctrine, that would be considered a heresy. I am very suspicious when someone tells me not to be "simple" when it comes to matters of the Church, because often things are very simple. But, credit where it is due...it is not a simple matter to interpret all the Pope's statements has orthodox. Have you considered that they aren't?

[@marypinakat8594]

Bishop Barron has a lifetime of his works. Here in 12 minutes he has made a mark and hugely impacted so many. I would treat it an achievement.

[@angelicdoctor8016]

consider this: virtue is the middle between excess and defect -- very generally, conservatism, not being Catholic, is in excess; liberalism, not being Catholic, is in defect

[@chrissnowden8480]

@@angelicdoctor8016 I wouldn't use an Aristotelean principle of virtue when discussing philosophical positions. A "middle" ground could easily be a heresy when applied to truth.

[@chrissnowden8480]

I have no issue with simple but I do have an issue with over simple. I think you are painting your white fence with broad brush strokes. How, for instance, do you think we can accept the truth of Christianity without that truth being alien to us and completely static? How can we accept it (make it our own) if it doesn't meet us within our own history and become our own? A static rendering of the past, as if the middle ages was the height of humanity ignores history which in fact eliminates the very possibility for tradition to be real today.

[@Hohniker]

Snowden, nobody mentioned the Middle Ages. I’m saying Doctrine can’t be changed. Barron is doing this very obvious thing of ignoring every heresy the Pope says, then when the Pope says something that is only a TINY bit controversial, he makes a video talking about how it isn’t that bad. It is very disappointing.

[@edwinml9860]

I was missing this kind of videos because there were more of video chats these days by WOF.Kindly do these kinds of videos too.

[@angelovanderluijt9568]

This video left me with some questions. In the video you mention painting a pure white fence as an example of how things must change to stay the same. However in my opinion this example comes across more as an argument in favour of traditionalism, because the repainting of the fence in the same exact colour isn't really a change but more a renewal. An affirmation of that what it was, is and should be in the future. The jobdescription came with a pretty clear instruction in this case. Keep the fence in this exact colour. Sure you might buy another brand of paint, but you dont change the colour itself, because that would be a breach of contract. Much like a tree indeed changes with the seasons, but also doesn't start to grow different kinds of fruit. My question is this: how do you determine ,when it comes down to doctrine and theology, if a proposed change is conforming to doctrine, or if it is a heresy. Since the Catholic church also has a job to fullfil, spreading and maintaining the true faith. I mean some things are obvious, but maybe most are not. In short I guess I'm asking how you determine if a change is good or not. Having said that, I really appreciate the uploads. Very interesting. P.s. Isn't "use your car everyday, because if you don't drive it often, it will deteriorate faster" more an argument in favour of practicing your faith everyday, more than changing these habits?

[@bens4446]

"Not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire". That's exactly it. This is what can save the church. And another relevant GK quote: "A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it". This is also what is meant when philosophers (esp. the Frankfurt School) talk about the "dialectical method". This is also a strength of Buddhism, which offers no doctrine but rather a dialogue. The tradition of the Jewish Midrash might be said to fall into this category too. History has taught us that such "dialectical" paths tend to be resilient, unifying, and liberating, while hard coded dogmatic systems tend to fracture, bind, and fall by the wayside.

[@barbarapalczewski5341]

Thank you Bishop Barron, I now understand where the word consubstantial came from! Even after looking up the word in the dictionary, I didn’t get it. Of the same substance....consubstantial with the Father! Wow! 2:00am and listening to your video and the Holy Spirit with your help opened my eyes! Thank you!

[@mrs.trains1233]

Dear, no offense meant here, but if this is the first time you've understood what "consubstantial" meant, (don't know how long you've been a Catholic), it indicates a very real anemia in catechesis over the decades. It's not your fault. It's an eyeopener.

[@victoriawoodring1824]

I know this is kinda weird but I'm pretty proud of myself for recognizing some of his books. Idk why.

[@Eowyn77]

lol, all I can spot is a Langenscheidt, probably a German pocket dictionary :-)

[@rdg6543]

God is immutable. He is perfect and therefore His wisdom is. If He gets it right the first time, in which He did, this conversation does not need to happen. Catholicism does not now or ever have to evolve to attain more perfection. Modernism. Heresy.

[@theresam5391]

So good! So simple!💜🙏🏼

[@marklyons3125]

When is your conversation with Jordan Peterson being released?

[@diegoruiz2186]

I think it's also important to note that, as with a car sitting in a garage, sometimes tradition simply needs to be "driven" or practiced to be preserved. It hurts me to see that almost every parish ever seems to dabble in liturgical abuse. And how much does it hurt Christ!

[@SibiuToronto]

So true, but what changes is equally important! Don do change just for the sake of the change because you'll arrive a t a different product. The example with fence and car is called 'maintenance work', not change, you don't repaint the white fence in red and also don't change the car parts to make it a submarine. 'Maintenance work' is needed in population, not change of doctrine or anything else.

[@Petre66CA]

Excellent comments

[@miguelsottomayor8774]

This (statements made on the plane by the Pope regarding Tradition) makes no sense, Bishop Barron. No advocate of Tradition wants Tradition in a museum. What is expected is to see Tradition in churches, in chatechesis, in Catholic society through public devotions and public defence of the teachings of the Church in regard to the Lords Kingship. And onlythen, when it (Tradition) is lived and used, will it develop and grow as it did for over two milenia. What is stagnant is the idea that Tradition was wall that kept the "world" from embracing the Faith, an idea spread wide and far under the false banner of the 2nd Vatican Council, or it's "spirit". This "idea" placed Tradition in a museum, in chains, and even as I scribble these lines there are bishops stamping down requests from their own flocks to allow for more Tradition or even to defend Church teachings (my hometown, Porto, in Portugal as an example )

[@seriouscat2231]

Did he say "plague on both your houses"? I mean, he insults both traditionalists and liberals and then sets up a "third way", which is "whatever the magisterium is doing". Not only that. He conjures a "third way" and then pronounces a curse on everyone who does not follow him?

[@miguelsottomayor8774]

@@seriouscat2231 The Pope speaks for media attention, our duty is to be faithful, pray and never loose sight of the end goal: salvation (which does not depend on the Pope)

[@sam.mead__]

The greatest recent change that comes to my mind would have to be Vatican 2, bringing the Mass and the Church into the modern world and preserving what the Church had while making it more tangible.

[@w3ab]

Question: I have tried and tried again yet all I see in the Amoris Laetitia issue is a flat contradiction of the Council of Trent. Could someone help me understand how one can disagree with a cannon of an eccumenical council on a matter of faith and morals and still be correct.

[@blitzkriegdiscord3366]

You already know the answer, you can’t.

[@teresaegger5097]

Get a Council of Trent Catechism if you don't have one.

[@teresaegger5097]

We need to renew the Church, when it is moving toward error. We need to protect the Church when those in power try to "change" what can't be changed. Even the white fence is being renewed, not changed. The car in the garage is being preserved and protected, it is not being changed. The church should only CLARIFY what Jesus has already taught us, not change it. In the Church, people are not liberal or conservative. They are either orthodox or in error, because there is only ONE truth.

[@rodrigogarcia1208]

One thing is not to touch the car and another is touching it to the extreme of gutting it, and take off all their wires because they think that there are too much wires because they don't know what are them for.

[@Thorerx]

Agreed, we can have a deeper understanding of doctrine and tradition. But doctrine can not contradict its earlier self. This is what us conservatives are worried about, and liberals want to happen. Luckily, Pope Francis has not been into doctrine, so he has not been trying to change it. But what he has very much done, is confuse people. That itself is dreadful.

[@chrisjanej.8747]

Thank you Bishop Barron. Anyone who has a problem with Our Holy Father's works can find their answers in Tradition. In other words, Tradition is never dead if it is recognized in the works of the Pope. For example, if someone has a problem with Laudato Si, he can realize that the first environmentalist was Almighty God Himself, Who gave the Garden to Adam and Eve and gave them the responsibility to tend and care for it. Anyone who has a problem with Amoris Laetitia, especially the footnote, can find their answer in the Baltimore Catechism which notes that there are 3 conditions for a sin to be mortal and therefore warrants a person NOT receive Communion: 1. that the thing be gravely evil 2. that the person KNOWS that it is gravely evil and 3. that the person does it anyway. A person who is in a marriage for example which is not allowed by Our Catholic Church may not realize they are in a marriage which constitutes grave matter, may need the graces of Holy Communion in order to come to an understanding of grave matter. Pope Francis, here, was merely trying to find a way out for those "caught" in a state of adultery, just as Our Savior did for the woman they wanted to stone. Virtue is a mean between two extremes. Pope Francis is the Pope of Mercy. He is spending himself striving to "find a way out" for those caught in sin. Isn't that what Our Savior did for us when we were "caught in sin" with no way out? He died on the CROSS! We had no way out!! If we understand what Christ Our Savior did for us, we will comprehend what Pope Francis is striving to do. Thank you again Bishop Barron for giving us new and fresh insights into what it means to be joyfully Catholic!

[@georgew.hayduke4481]

6:17 - 6:36 Bishop, you have be familiar with the shrine at Ise in Japan. The shrine is even more organic than Chesterton's analogy in that it is an enactment of why things must change if they were to endure, and the shrine has endured immaculately for over a thousand years.

[@VirgoBirrane]

Excellent presentation Bishop Barron!

[@HazzTube]

I understand what you mean about Tradition being alive and that it changes as it is further developed; however, this is not the problem. So many aspects of tradition are not being developed but trashed. In just one example, most Priests, Bishops, Cardinals and even the Pope cannot or refuse to make the statement that Homosexual Behavior is a serious sin and the Lord calls you to repentance to receive His mercy and also He Calls You to Sin no More. People sense that the moral foundation in the church is crumbling and are in deep pain as a result. Also. people hanging on to the moral tradition are being called rigid and are feeling like they are being "thrown under the bus" by Pope Francis. Homosexual behavior is an explosive issue that calls people to a hard, unpopular stance that will lead to persecution and hate. The same people that hate Jesus will hate the people that teach His truth. Some times I think that you tend dance around these issues with and attitude of ", have you looked at it this way or that way... Then, everything just sort of slips through your listeners hands and they have nothing concrete to hold on to. There comes a time when you just have to show your hand and lay your cards on the table for everyone to see.

[@josephmaxwell3868]

There are some basic and good analogous thoughts and theological examples in this interview. Makes sense and it is plausible in context. However, which one of the Ten Commandments are to be consigned to the Museum? Is it a sin to tell a lie? When the Pope Lies, is it a sin? When a Cardinal of the Church Buggers a child, seminarian or a priest, is it a sin? No amount of theological claptrap can consign any of that to the Museum. Clearly Call the sin out, condemn the sin, have compassion for the sinner but don't change the act to be non sinful. That's Painting the post Black and calling it White!

[@thomasrothenberger]

Words of wisdom.

[@RichardOliverWY]

So so good!

[@nonsuch1]

Your Excellency, please clarify what you mean by "change". Yes things change, but you don't explain what that means in the context of the Church.

[@dmonarredmonarre3076]

Exactly. A vague catch-all phrase without clear delineation of parameters gives free reign to all sorts of redefinitions, shifts from reason and total re-authoring of that which is transcendent, sacred and intrinsic to the essence of timeless doctrine.

[@madeleine7]

Exactly! ¡Change" is a magic catch-phrase for Left-wing Politicians! Then, of course, when elected, things go down-hill! Such is the course of the Catholic Church under Francis!

[@nonsuch1]

​@@dmonarredmonarre3076 I'd take this a bit more seriously if they would tell us what is going to change. What a waste of time.

[@faithbooks7906]

Read Newman's Development of Doctrine. Barron is commenting on the Pope's comment which is about Newman's great gift to the Church, a crystallization of how Christian doctrine authentically develops. If you read it you'll know what he means by 'change.' www.newmanreader.org/works/development/index.html

[@keymaker2112]

I thought he did a fair job of explaining what he meant by change when he utilized the example of life, that is various organisms, changing as they grow. Are you the same as you were when you were 5? No. You are different, but you are the same, for you were you at 5, and you are you today. The Essence and Nature of the person remains, but you are not the same, you have changed, you have grown. You are the same person of course, your Nature and Essence are fixed and immutable, but you yourself are "changed". In the context of the Church, the Church, being the Body of Christ, that is the body of the Son of the Living God, that would mean that the essential Nature and Essence of the Church is fixed, but that the Church will still grow like a person grows. The Church has the full depository of Truth, called Doctrine, that is an essential characteristic of its Nature and Essence, but that one may more closely and intimately know particular Truths as time goes on, that the Doctrine is known more intimately. To be clear I am not saying that one could refine the Truth or Doctrine unto the point of contradiction, that is irrational. Anyone who claims a refinement or change that contradicts some other portion or Doctrine is, ipso facto, wrong. I am saying that, for example, St. John Paul II's Theology of the Body is a refinement of an eternal Truth held by the Church regarding human sexuality, marriage and the generation of life which is "new" in that it is the logical and better and more pointedly articulated form of a Doctrine which the Church has always maintained. All that is in the Theology of the Body was always present in the doctrine of the Church, but it was not articulated in the manner in which it was communicated. That is how I interpreted his Excellency's explanation in light of my own studies. Laudate Dominum.

[@gregorydoyle7206]

Thank you Bishop Barron for the needed expansion Pope Francis' comments. Frankly, I'm very frustrated by Pope Francis and his off the cuff comments that can easily be viewed as you have described. The problem is that the speaker has the obligation to be clear in expression and thought less he causes the listener into interrupting his comments and subscribing a point of view that may fall into error on the message. Pope Francis does this very often and will offer no further explanations. I have never seen this before from a Pope! I pray for the Pope as Pope Saint Leo the Great has taught us. I know the Church will survive this time, but the damage and loss of followers along the way is very sad to see. Bishop, we need people like you to strengthen our Church. I know many are working both behind the scenes and out in a very public way to lend a clearer message of understanding our faith.

[@manatoa1]

What's your opinion on Francis' Abu Dhabi statement?

[@gerardpaulbyrne48]

Heresy is heresy. Don't trouble yourself on the abstract obfuscation of this individual.

[@Marco85111]

@@gerardpaulbyrne48 if you see francis as a heretic why are you here? I can guarantee the church is pushing more and more towards leaving behind certain practices and becoming less and less traditional........you might as well leave because eventually there won't be any room here for traditionalists in about 300 years or so

[@gerardpaulbyrne48]

@@Marco85111 I never said Francis was a manifest heretic. However, senior clergymen and respected theologians have asserted his statements as thus. We've been Catholic since the time of Patrick Marco, we'll be Catholic long after this crisis and the traitors are gone. I don't need an anonymous youtubber to tell me to leave my faith and cultural inheritance. We are not going anywhere, you want us to leave? Make us......btw the revolution is imploding more and more as it abandons the magesterium. Its the Catholic orders that are in the ascendancy regarding vocations etc.

[@Marco85111]

@@gerardpaulbyrne48 look mate to me it seems like most people that comment on catholic videos from time to time on this channel always say that the current catholic order is heresy blah blah blah......the way i see it eventually the church will change beyond their recognition and they will be forced to leave.....my point is is.......leave.........if all you fundimentalists do is slander our faith all day because i can garuntee we aren't changing......either keep your mean mouth shut, or leave. I don't really care what you have to say this is all i testify

[@gerardpaulbyrne48]

@@Marco85111 Firstly, I'm not your mate. Get that out of the way. Secondly. What is coming out of the mouths of certain members of the hierarchy is nothing but heresy and disorientation. We Catholics have been here before and survived. You don't even know what the faith is. Nothing more. Me and my children, grandchildren etc will be Catholic long after you're all just a bad memory. As I said, want us to go? Make us.. As I said, we're growing. The revolution is crashing down.

[@buckfarmer-gregory6400]

Fantastic discussion. This brings to mind the Holy Spirit's title "Giver of Life" and that the continued life and existence of creation is not a passive default position (leaving the car in the garage), but an active deliberate gift from God to keep sending His breath into us and into the world. I am also reminded to the Holy Father's favored phrase that "time is greater than space" and the importance of mature engagement in the process of a living church for the Living God. Finally, I think of an image I encountered in a First Thing's article that proposed Trent as a seed, Vatican I as the stem, and Vatican II as the flowers of an organically developed expression of what it means to be the Church. People talk about Vatican II as being this radical break with the past, but in many ways Trent was far more transformative and far-reaching in its vision. To take just one example, the idea of a professionalized priesthood trained in special academies (seminaries) was an innovation of Trent.

[@buckfarmer-gregory6400]

Another image you invoke is the "flourishing garden of life" which I think it is important to remember is the original image of the Temple as a return to the pre-fall Edenic dwelling in the presence of God.

[@juliangriffiths7298]

Tragically, the way the Church sought to keep its post white (to continue the analogy) was to employ workmen who wanted to break down the post and replace it with a post like theirs - weak and of a different colour. The white post survived, covered in ivy, barely recognisable, ignored by most, guarded by a few brave souls. Now the latest custodian of the post wants to rip it out altogether and replace it with one like all the others.

[@maristella287]

Excellent.

[@ipso-kk3ft]

Brothers and sisters, we're called to be righteous, truthful, and just. Pray for all our spiritual fathers and mothers, and listen to their words, especially our priests and Pope Francis! Ours is the Spirit of love and truth, not of fear and discord. Keep a critical eye on those who raise proud voices, dismiss others, and proclaim division or terror. We pray for an end to confusion and division yet often, it is we ourselves who actually start it. Read all things carefully and in love, and never misrepresent anyone. Deny yourself, and love your enemies. Let's stay holy and repent, and never forget to convert, convert your eyes to the wider world, of the poor, the little, and the lowly. We are one body, the mystical Body of Christ. Not for ourselves or one group do we live, but for all, as the Lord sustains us all!

[@darlenewright5850]

Thank you

[@MoulsRouls]

This perhaps ties into today's scripture reading 'who (God) has indeed qualified us as ministers of a new covenant, not of letter but of spirit; for the letter brings death, but the spirit brings life'

[@amycardill4897]

Bishop Barron, respectfully Sir, you have the duty to witness to the truth without fear, and like Timothy “to preach the gospel in season and out of season” (2 Tim. 4: 2). However, I'm not sure if you're doing your job properly.

[@angelicdoctor8016]

evidence?

[@Norbert-yk4jy]

What is it you want to change? The white fence needs white paint to stay the same, not pink paint. The liberal/conservative divide today is not the same as before. One side (the liberal) has moved out too far. All heresies started as "liberal/conservative" then moved too far out. We've been loyal to you Fr Barron, please don't let us down.

[@user-fy2ox9ep9t]

What Newman meant by the development of Doctrine is discovering the insight of the Apostolic Tradition. Like the Apostolic Tradition puts the Gospel of Luke: Hail Mary full of grace; so, in the environment Apostolic Catholic Tradition, the Church was enlightened by the Very Holy Spirit over the centuries after the Apostles, the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception, changing to remain itself or to change is to make it perfect.

[@6williamson]

I think in discussing liberal and conservative we need a second dimension of up and down, drawing out, what else, a cross. I have seen liberal parishes who are full of the Spirit and obedience to Christ and others who don't know what they believe. I see conservatives who see their tradition as a unique way to experience Christ in His majesty and mercy and others who have a blind belief that whatever was done in the 50's would magically transform the Church today.

[@chinojarjos]

To live is to be renewed!

[@LIONMAN184]

This sounds like mental gymnastics to rationalize Francis heresey. The truth never changes but it does need to be defended from false teachers...

[@mcgoof171]

Very true words. In order to always be right, we must sometimes be wrong.

[@marypinakat8594]

Bishop Robert Barron's commentaries are indeed 'a fresh breath of air'. The freshest, I think we have in the Church today! (edited)

[@lindamcdermott2205]

Great food for thought!

[@barelyprotestant5365]

I'm glad you guys got Newman. You can keep him, since we have the much better Pusey. :)

[@tomsdigest]

This is great. St. John of Damascus, among others, also pointed out that one can deviate very easily from the "royal road of the Fathers," and just as importantly, one can deviate both to the left and to the right. Interestingly, he pointed out that it is generally easier to get one back onto the right path who deviates to the "left" (into laxity, lukewarmness, or "liberalism"), than one who hardens his heart on the "right" (an inorganic rigorism and extrinsicist "traditionalism" in the worst, most ideological sense of the term). Unfortunately, that "royal road of the Fathers" seems ever more narrow and obscured in today's ecclesial environment... which makes it all the more important to stay on the path, even if it makes one be derided as a "traditionalist" by the modernists, and as a "liberal" by the self-professed "traditionalists."

[@joyconnery7481]

I can see this principle applying to tradition but am having trouble applying this principle to doctrine as doctrine must be based on scripture which is unchanging.

[@tafka92]

Love it. As one of your longtime Protestant listeners I’d love to see a full lecture from you on Postliberalism, narrative theology, and the ecumenical movement. I’ve heard you make frequent reference to Hauerwas before and know your commentary through Brazos (THE postliberal publisher). How do you place yourself in that movement and where do you see postliberalism setting the stage for global theology going forward?

[@RondelayAOK]

To me, the Protestant Fallacy is thinking one's self is superior to all the men (and their thinking) of the past---a super know-it-all, on a par with God.

[@annehannon7836]

So clearly explained.

[@saveriosalemme5366]

This guy is so good !

[@edeffer5546]

The analogy of the Javelin, maintenance to keep it running and modification to make it run better.

[@kimberlyivanov7425]

"Ima hang on to the copy of the Chatechism before it goes through changes" it works well with the Scriptures. The Scriptures were instrumental in bringing me to the Eucharist. They are clear on many life issues and have set boundaries for me to grow in grace. The relative morality I grew up with was a hellish nightmare. Theres no way to justify sin. Its black and white, snd the consequences are wrapped up in the action. The Pope seems like he may be trying to make allowances for people living in sin, or he should clarify.

[@richardneagle1059]

The white fence analagy works both ways Bishop. We have seen our white fence (the catholic church) pretty much blown over in the years since vatican II. It needs a bit more then a paint job now. But I guess many Bishops like to paint over things and sing "Evertthing is beautiful".

[@peter-radiantpipes2800]

I just found your channel. My fiancé was raised as a Pope Pius X follower. Her family are very strict about this particular catholic sect? For lack of a better word. I went to catholic school for a few years and I’m raising my son Catholic and learning more. My wife is a bit more modern or liberal catholic compared to her parents and sister. I’m curious as to your opinions on this part of the church or these followers. I don’t know much about them beyond what she’s told me aside from Latin mass, her parents aren’t too fond of the current pope, etc. a video would be too much to ask for I’m sure. Just found your channel and enjoy it. Would love to hear your views.

[@ricardoheredia7307]

IS THAT VALID FOR THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!!!!????

[@patricm.3718]

Good question. Take note...the Holy Spirit is rising and people are heeding its voice, and not the vain words of wolves in sheep's clothing. This is a good sign.

[@andrewwtswts]

This is echoing from the words of St Paul saying what we see God just like a imperfect image from a bronze mirror. We only come to realize his full understanding and transformation when in heaven we meet him face to face. (1 Cor 13:12). However, at history move on, a mirror material has changed from bronze to glass to camera of increasing high resolution lens in order to see the best image it can produce. This goes the same with our faith. Though the tool has changed but God is forever the same icon.

[@chrisjanej.8747]

If Christ Our Savior wanted the Church to stand still, He would not have seen fit to send the Holy Spirit to 'renew the face of the earth'

[@nicholasnewman7863]

Fascinating discussion, especially regarding my namesake, St JHN. May I suggest that the terms 'left' and 'right' 'liberal' and 'conservative'; often inappropriate in political discourse,, are even less useful in religious discussion. Don't stop preaching.

[@2Uahoj]

Bishop Barron explains this beautifully here, with his typically eloquent incorporation of writers and thinkers from the past. The problem is that he may be trying too hard to be an apologist for some of those currently leading our Church who may be more crudely liberal or progressive, not necessarily guided by the nuanced arguments here. Let us pray this is not so.

[@andiamolireforexcrypto]

Can you please explain Bishop Barron what the death penalty being no longer admissible means? Does it mean that previously seemingly contradictory made statements on this issue by former Pontiffs should not have been admissible in the first place? Were previous Pontificates just not aware enough of the primacy of human dignity? Is that what I'm supposed to ascent to? Can you please clarify this for me and address my questions directly. I'm confused. Thank you.

[@OneCatholicSpeaks]

Interesting video. I was thinking that this has implications on Sola Scriptura. I've also heard people argue that if the word isn't actually used in the Bible, then it is heresy. Thanks Bishop Barron for this excellent insight.

[@rhwinner]

It's not this statement in isolation that has some laity worried but a pattern of statements, together with a controversy over Cardinal McCarrick....

[@davidbrand8128]

For me, “hanging on to the past” is not “an attempt to maintain the status quo”. By ‘the past’ it seems fair to say that Traditionalists mean the expressions of faith, the rites and practices that have been enjoyed traditionally. But they are not ends in themselves, they facilitate the practice of our faith and our deepening realization of unfaltering Truth. Like well trodden paths, they provide us tested and reliable access to the deep things of our faith and that is our precious goal. If I have a fear against which I rebel, it is fear of being deprived of that access and worse, being offered modernist cultural slop in place of the beauty and truths I am losing, usually to nothing more than inflated egos. It's interesting too that the example of the Council creating a new Greek word to illuminate a pre-existing traditional understanding actually endorses the Traditionalist's view that the Truth is immutable and must change the present rather than be changed by that present. In the example, the Truth was not altered or lost to believers, a new way of expressing it was created and as long as any new way improves access, I am happy to support it.

[@danamalar]

Good and clear explanation Rev. Bishop, *however you could use this opportunity to address those who mindlessly oppose Pope Francis for any change he bring forth,* for ex. the stance on death penalty, communion to re married catholics after proper discernment of the case by none other than a Bishop, change in our Lord's Prayer etc. To ponder why this great confusion and adamancy persist and growing among learned priests and prelates , we could easily deduce that it is lack of sincere prayer, lack of experiencing the pains and sufferings of their flock and refusal to see God in ordinary humans, ordinary situations, as well as indifference to most of the happening as long it doesn't concern for that person. God bless you Father.🙏🙏

[@crazymuthaphukr]

No Pope or Priest will ever have the power or authority to change the churches stance on the deat penalty or divorce or abortion. The death penalty is accepted by the church. Abortion and divorce are not . You cannot change the truth.

[@wellasang]

I am no theologian Bishop and I usually listen to your KZbin videos. Regarding Development of Doctrine, and when you analogise it with a tree with its roots, is there a limitation to such development? Did Newman set a criteria how one knows that you have already gone past what it only allows?

[@oimss2021]

Half of his book describes criteria for discerning false from sound developments

[@pjsmith4369]

Thank you Bishop Barron for such a wonderful explanation! I believe and I feel exactly what you reference, but am not clever enough and do not know enough of the Church's history ( ie the Council of Nicea ) to put my understanding into words.

[@richardneagle1059]

So Bishop Barron , we have had fifty years of change since vatican II and the church has been brought to it's knees. Less then 5 % of school leavers attend Sunday mass. Clearly not working. The ashes are tbe remnants of closed parishes , not the so described out dated devotions and dogmas. Most parishes bave become self contented retirement villages of ageing baby boomers who were the last generation who wewe art least taugbt tbe obligation to attend mass on Sundays. God only knows how many will su😥rvive tne next twenty years. We have seen tbe fruitof changing tnings to suit some prelate's opinion on how thing6ss sbould be , and now we have the likes of Kasper and Marx seeminly with the support of the pope touting blatant heresies. Modernist destroyers of faitb. Iwould have more respect for you if you called them to account .

[@angelicdoctor8016]

Please Richard …. the Catholic Church is a divine institution … it's not going anywhere … where is your faith?

[@seriouscat2231]

@@angelicdoctor8016, the damage is real, the lies are real. Do not change the subject without replying to the previous one first.

[@angelicdoctor8016]

@@seriouscat2231 the damage is real (though we don't know it's extent), but God only allows evil for a greater good ... we must not take our eyes off the Lord, who calls us forward (Peter learned this lesson, as he took his steps on water)

[@greenstorm5568]

There is no way the Church is going anywhere. I know the damage you speak of is because of secular people trying unsuccessfully to grow or stall tradition with this 'conservstive-liberal' mindset and failing to recognize the paradox of 'change to stay the same' that Bishop Barron went over.

[@seriouscat2231]

@@greenstorm5568, coming from a predominantly Lutheran country (and being a convert) I immediately think about Lutherans when I hear about paradoxes. After thinking about it during the past week I am beginning to think that traditional Catholicism is the only faith there is that is not Hegelian or paradoxical. Because, when one digs deeply enough, the entire Lutheran theology is just a pile of ideas that contradict each other by design. There you have faith opposed to law but also to love, to deeds and to sanctification. It's a death by a thousand contradictions. Luther knew Hegel better than Hegel knew himself.

[@deroconnor4621]

At a certain level of abstraction anything can be justified.

[@mrsmaricarment5043]

My QUESTION, for those who criticize and or have issues w Pope Francis and Newman. A question that I often reflect upon. Is if Jesus Christ and Lord was to walk in our streets again, will we crucify Him again?. The Pharisees and Scribes ( not all of them, but a great number), had to the Law in an unhealthy manner, definitely not spiritually. We have the Holy Spirit in us now, but do we listen to Him? Yes we must maintain reverence and faithfulness to His Word. Do we pray over scripture allowing His Spirit guide us, or do we simply sift through it w intellectually. When we submerge ourselves w our whole beings, soul, mind and heart, we are totally drenched in Him. Or do we just stand as an observant with out truly getting drench, so that we even smell like the ocean of its Truth. If I only grasp and cling to the words without, becoming one w its ocean of Truth, I might not be able to understand, when One and by God speaks to me about Truth. Again , if Jesus walk the streets will he be recognized and glorified or crucified again.? He spoke the Truth, but we failed to recognized it. Personally, I truly see Our Holy Father Francis as one speaking the Truth. May Our Lord prevent us from crucifying Him again.

[@clemharrold9725]

I'd love to know who Bishop Barron thinks the "conservatives of the museum" are in the Church today. Cardinal Burke? John Rist? LifeSite? It's not clear to me what the supposed extreme is which he is trying to avoid.

[@TeresaE116]

I am thankful for Bishop Barron’s videos that are extremely knowledgeable, yet eloquently explained so that even a lay Catholic like myself can understand. I don’t understand all of what Pope Francis means, especially in these informal interviews. There are many aspects of The Catholic Church in this post-Vatican II era I wish had never occurred, as well. However, Our Lord hasn’t called me to speak out to someone in the Church hierarchy like St. Catherine of Sienna and others. Merely speaking out from behind texts on what is right or wrong “according to me” seems divisive. I was raised a Protestant, so I know more than a little about being divisive or causing divisions in “Churches”. If God calls you to write a book or speak out against what you see as heresy with respect to those who lead His Holy Church - then you must follow His Leading. But, as for me, I will pray and continue to attend Mass and not be more of “the problem” with accusations and division. Scripture itself teaches us to not slander, cause divisions, etc.

[@hulsfamcalcan]

This is the episode where Bishop Barron meets Scotty Kilmer! 😹