How to defeat JMK + CAT with SEE, Rey, SLKR or JML | SWGOH

[@rossgilbert4768]

I was just missing one small detail with my SEE counter... you filled me in quickly and clearly. Awesome work, thank you.

[@Bitdynasty]

Glad it helped!

[@jbster211]

Outstanding presentation as always my man! Thank you

[@Bitdynasty]

Much appreciated!

[@Nienormalny]

For a third counter: I like to use Armorer instead of Hux. Wat can put tank tech on Daka, then Armorer puts 2 stack beskar on Kylo. Thanks to that Daka is less susceptible do die (and they can focus on her quite a bit), dispels ability blocks (very useful) and Wat can also put weapon tech on Kylo for better damage (tm doesn't work anyway). Will try your other counters! Good work - as always.

[@Bitdynasty]

nice, my Armorer is only 6* and G8 so don't think it would be usable just yet :)

[@miscellaneousstuff2901]

I think they changed the AI - my armorer is 324 speed and that same team focuses on her first before she can get full armor onto SEE - even with 2 tanks they still take one out (CAT) and dispel taunt on other, then just mass assist armorer into oblivion - 10 times in a row i tried. I tried different tanks, Sion, RG, SET, Malak, I tried just placing 2 stacks of armor on SEE but its not enough - the crits from JMK with the heal immunity take SEE out too fast. 'Thanks' for creating variety in the game CG - the top 60 in my arena shard are ALL JMK with 2 or 3 Lord Vaders with Maul. Sorry BitD - don't mean to sound ungrateful - your content is awesome - I am just annoyed at game right now.

[@Bitdynasty]

yes they did, Armorer is now top priority for AI it seems, so need a very fast Armorer to get it going

[@jeffreydebris240]

Thank you so much for these videos! I've been using both SLKR + Daka&Zombie Cheese, and SEE with Armorer and Wat. I think the latter is the easier win

[@rossgilbert4768]

All of a sudden my Armourer is always getting targetted... is yours still working?

[@Bitdynasty]

thanks, it depends on mods sometimes which works better

[@ld87111]

Outstanding video! All your videos are great on the theory crafting quality. Thanks for everything you do to support the community!

[@Bitdynasty]

Thank you very much!

[@christopherarduini4203]

One year later this helped me! Lol awesome video, thank you!

[@Bitdynasty]

Hah nice 👍

[@patcanon4230]

I never would have imagined that SLKR could beat GMK. Thank you for saving my GAC!!

[@Bitdynasty]

He can yes, especially now with his datacron

[@Jumpman__]

Will there be more JML VS CAT vids? It’s really tricky depending on the mods of your opponent. Thank you 😊

[@Bitdynasty]

Yes there will be, I am just holding off until all GAS changes go live as those might effect the counters we use today :)

[@Jumpman__]

@@Bitdynasty thank you!!

[@daniellai7818]

Many thanks for the video share. You definitely open up my view with different options of tackling JMK + CAT ….. 👍🏼😊

[@Bitdynasty]

Glad it was helpful!

[@garygillis7267]

You are the best KZbin, I heart ya brother, your explanations explain so much, after watching you, I realize I click 2 ability when it’s up, I click 3 when it’s up, and when I watch you I learn why that is never the best case

[@Bitdynasty]

Thanks

[@trinityinspiration198]

Great Video! Great help! Is there a reason why you don‘t cool down JMK by JML?

[@Bitdynasty]

No particular reason, this way day 1 testing so still working out best strategy, now I do it on JMK :)

[@trinityinspiration198]

@@Bitdynasty Thank you. Hope you finde a good strategy. I am in need of one. At the moment I can‘t beat the one sitting at one at my PO time.

[@YotamkiPumpki]

Superb video as always! Both content and style :)

[@Bitdynasty]

Thanks a ton!

[@YotamkiPumpki]

@@Bitdynasty That SLKR/Daka/Zombie cheese got me squad arena rank 1 for the first time in the game! Now the shard Mafia is out to get me. I had to give them your name :)

[@Bitdynasty]

haha, nice!

[@garygillis7267]

I love how your videos keep portrait in upper left, I can never tell what r levels other you tubers use because it’s where their mug is

[@garygillis7267]

You cover guild chat with a banner, genious

[@Bitdynasty]

Thanks, yes it makes more sense to me to be top as well

[@luisdeloeralopez3837]

Awesome video as always!! 💪

[@Bitdynasty]

Appreciate it!

[@adamstarnes6780]

I love your content! I have an unrelated question because you are so good at conquest. Can you get max crate in conquest hard mode with no gls? If so what 4 non gl teams would be best to farm to achieve this?

[@Bitdynasty]

yes I have achieved it without GLs in previous Conquest, you can view all Sectors and what teams I used on my website swgoh4.life/conquest/ - key characters Vader, Thrawn, Gideon, Traya, Wat, Darth Revan, Fallen Bastila, Malak, CLS, Han, Chewie, Geo Brood, Jedi Revan, Bastila, Yoda, Jedi Knight Luke and Hermit Yoda.

[@TREOL]

Great video! Will that JML counter work against JMK comps w/o CAT? Thanks!

[@Bitdynasty]

I guess it depends who is in place of CAT, without CAT Rey and Jedi work great!

[@waxweazle01]

Yes, you may want to swap Wat with Hoda. If 3PO is in the JMK Lineup you need to focus him down ASAP, if not GAS is your first target.

[@MrRobertC]

Great video - thanks

[@Bitdynasty]

Thanks

[@bloodshield882]

Thanks and great video a always, I should donate some of my crystals for helping me keep Arena prospects alive :) thank you. re JML vs JMK I go after CAT first same as your vid, but using CD increase special first to prevent the forceleap, in your vid you use Eflux but oppo has both Tenacity up and Foresight so it feels like a waste... is it to use up the foresight on the whole team?? If your JML outspeeds their JMK then Eflux seems the right choice, but if it's slower... just interested in the logic? Also, I would consider it slightly fortunate that JMK's fist heal immunity went on JML who can take it, where as most of mine go straight to GAS as you say, JMK seems to prioritize him. that's where most of my losses come. I've taken to running full Jedi with Hoda instead on Wat, so he can foresight before JMK goes for Heal Immunity... so that misses, but he still gets GAS with the 2nd one and it's touch and go if I can overcome their GAS before he destroys mine. I'm by no means sure this is a good strategy... just trying to explore and up my win-rate. Like another poster, Initially Before CAT I was winning 60%+ but then suddenly started losing 80% vs the same teams and relic levels (KAM's variants) - it was quite a noticeable change so I think something did get tweaked in a CG update. CAT has actually made it slightly easier for me than KAM, but it's still a messy battle

[@Bitdynasty]

thanks for the tips!

[@SuperChaos002]

What mods are you using on SEE (circle, cross and triangle)?

[@Bitdynasty]

Circle - Protection, Cross - Protection and Triangle - Offense

[@ericcartman4595]

Thanks for all guides dude you really helped me a lot,I have 1 question-why SEE with 3 stacks of beskar armor dont counter hit back only versus JMK/cat??

[@Bitdynasty]

I think because you can't counter attack on assists

[@ericcartman4595]

It's not that,when you stay 1v1 with SEE and JMK he still dont hit back ,this happen only vs jmk/cat ,if cat is missing he do counter hit every time...

[@Bitdynasty]

@@ericcartman4595 it's in his ultimate - Sith enemies can't counter attack

[@ericcartman4595]

Thanks a lot for your answer!

[@admiralthrawn7754]

Honestly, by being first before Ahnaldt101, you should get a nobel prize for your dedication. Ahnaldt101 too slow

[@chewey3rd]

BD is sooo much better than Ahnold. His videos literally walk you through everything whereas Ahnold is busy shouting out to his supporters and making nothing but noise throughout most of his useless videos.

[@Bitdynasty]

I guess he is very busy at the moment reconstructing his star destroyer :)

[@admiralthrawn7754]

@@Bitdynasty Would you be interested in a Rey lineup that doesn't timeout? Have you tested Traya lead with Rey and Jolee against CAT? Traya lead absolutely takes apart JMK team, especially when they assist.

[@Bitdynasty]

@@admiralthrawn7754 Wow that is some crazy stuff, what is the full team so I can give it a go?

[@admiralthrawn7754]

@@Bitdynasty I suggest Traya lead, Rey, Jolee, Revan, and GAS. My Rey is modded for a ton of health but the idea is to keep the light side allies alive long enough so that Traya lead works through the enemy. Revan can mark weak enemies so Rey could whirlwind them out.

[@rossgilbert4768]

Have you done an update of these since the nerfs hit? Is there much of a difference?

[@Bitdynasty]

haven't done an update yet but in general it got easier due to the GAS nerf, except with Rey is more of a struggle... will be doing new guide soon!

[@Pinkz604]

Love the JML lead with Wat instead of Hoda strategy, tnx!

[@Bitdynasty]

yeah it works rather well, for now... :)

[@naaabil007]

Not works for me ?! Need fast gas and fast jkr

[@Bitdynasty]

you need JKR to be fast yes :)

[@mclohan]

Does the SLKR cheese still work? My battle went nothing like that. They kept attacking everyone else other than zombie. My zombie was g12 though. Daka r6, SLKR r8, hux r5 and wat r5

[@Bitdynasty]

It doesn't really work anymore, you need a different team now - check out my updated SLKR vs GLs guide kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3W9o2dofLV-pJI

[@mclohan]

@@Bitdynasty thanks Bit

[@trutwijd]

Anything different if facing JMK/CAT/KAM? Thanks!

[@Bitdynasty]

I wouldn't think so

[@amirkhan-jd8bq]

every time they immediately go after my armourer and even at 255 speed cant get even one turn away is they a change to the AI?

[@Bitdynasty]

yes I believe there has been change to AI, they have high priority for Armorer now, updated video coming soon, just waiting for LV and Maul to start popping up in squad arena!

[@amirkhan-jd8bq]

@@Bitdynasty thank you, much appreciated!

[@rustygardenchair6302]

Great video. Would you say JML ult is required? And how does it perform vs r8 cat?

[@Bitdynasty]

Probably ULT is not making much difference I think as chargers so slow anyway, R8 CAT will not make much difference from my testing

[@pigriderstarwatcher9217]

Yeah, this is great. But what about the non-GL counters….. should we vouch for the possible coming Maul?

[@Bitdynasty]

yeah non-GL counters are nowhere to be found yet, I too am hoping that Maul or whoever is the next conquest character will help!

[@AniKnows]

I love your videos mate. I have a problem though. Facing off against fully relic CATs the SEE counter doesn’t work. I’ve got an R8 kitted out SEE (128K health/55K prot, 550 speed). With the full three stacks of Beskar and Wat tank tech he still loses in a 2v1 vs CAT and JMK. We’ll need to find some other options for this team.

[@Bitdynasty]

Did you try to use Daka and Zombie variant? Should help the heat away from SEE

[@rossgilbert4768]

Hey, I just actually unlocked my JML today. Would this counter work without his Ulti?

[@Bitdynasty]

It could work but will not be as reliable I think

[@Inhindsightpod]

Thank you for doing this haven’t seen anyone else cover it

[@Bitdynasty]

Happy to help!

[@DCPTCNZ-lw6mc]

Awesome video as always shared with guild.

[@Bitdynasty]

Much appreciated!

[@MichaelSiegel14]

This JML counter worked fine for me ... at first. Since then, I've lost eight straight battles with the same lineup. Even if I can get CAT down without Revan having to do another direct focus, GAS wipes out my entire team, even after I used Luke's ultimate last time. I wonder if they changed something to make this strategy fail.

[@Bitdynasty]

You can try going after GAS first then, let CAT waste her force leap on JML

[@MichaelSiegel14]

@@Bitdynasty Thanks! I tweaked my strategy a bit to use JKL's mass stun before direct focus and put weapon tech on GAS before putting the tank on JML. That seemed to help.

[@MichaelSiegel14]

And I'm back to failing every time. If I go after GAS, CAT just ignore the taunt and kills my GAS. I'm now 4/17 using this counter.

[@simonsung538]

From my experience I find that the jml counter generally works if my jml outspeeds their jmk. If I land ability block on jmk cat and gas it's an easy win. But if my jml goes second I generally lose

[@Jumpman__]

This is exactly what happened to me it used to work but now I’ve lost 5 in a row

[@somedudeontheinterwebs45]

Will the JML counter work against JMK after the Road Ahead update?

[@Bitdynasty]

I sure hope so as this is the most consistent counter for me...

[@andrewcurwood421]

Thanks for all of the content, this one is a bit hit and miss for me. Followed the guide in the video but GAS gets targeted and taken out more often than not

[@Bitdynasty]

yeah they like to go after him, hence why I have him modded for a lot of protection

[@lukereschke8273]

Hey so I’m following this video and I keep running into the problem of having cat get damage immunity when she’s marked and then her losing marked and GK having taunt. Then it also seems as if saviour isn’t working either?

[@Bitdynasty]

what are your and CAT speeds? JKM will start give damage immunity to CAT, then she will take a turn and loose it, so I am confused as to how you manage to mark her before she takes her first turn!

[@CL-sj5xl]

Nice! I’ve been struggling with JML

[@Bitdynasty]

Glad I could help!

[@SeverDac]

They nurfed SEE, the 3 stacks of Armourer doesn't give him counteattack on Jedis.

[@Bitdynasty]

since when?

[@alanchoongycify]

Thanks for the good strategy. Very well done. Is there going to be a video on how to use JMK with or without KAm/CAt, optimal lineups etc ?

[@Bitdynasty]

there will be but I need to unlock JMK first ;)

[@darkblur]

Thanks bud! Helping out. As always.

[@Bitdynasty]

Any time!

[@ARescueToaster]

My SEE just gets shredded. Armorer gets killed on turn 1 - tank #1 dead by CAT on her first turn. Tank #2 dead with next mass assist. JMK uses ultimate, healing immunity on SEE, wiped on turn 5-6. Me frustrated and wanting my ~6 months of grinding SEE back. What am I doing wrong? Or did CG Make SEE even more worthless within the last year? SEE really does feel worse and worse in 2022. There are even a significant number of JML teams I can't beat with him now. Add the fact that he loses his IMO best ability when in ultimate form is incredibly stupid. Not to mention a reliance on having 2 enemies alive to even generate ultimate charge.. And then he has to waste his turn just to enter his ultimate mode (which does nothing until his next turn..), I've had SEE die a number of times now while waiting to get to that next turn. I know this isn't the best place for it, but SEE really needs to be reworked to fit better as a GL in SWGOH. Right now he's basically on par with Legendary characters. Speaking of which, I even had a DRevan team kill my SEE team the other day.. Yep

[@Bitdynasty]

there has been a JMK AI change since this video was made, check out my latest SEE guide, it requires different strategy :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHK7mGybmKuUras

[@ARescueToaster]

@@Bitdynasty dammit! Wish I would have searched better lol. I still hate SEE though!

[@imayer7098]

could you do a updated video JML vs JMK w/ Padme (not GAS) where you're not using Wat and GAS. Most of the time you cant combine all those in GAC. To expensive counter. There are alot of videos on youtube on this but you always explain it so good so I rather watch it on your channel :)

[@Bitdynasty]

sure you can check my updated video after the nerfs - kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2LFnoaEbd6tibs

[@imayer7098]

@@Bitdynasty That link didn't have Padme in the line up :) Most people dosen't put GAS with JMK anymore.

[@Bitdynasty]

@@imayer7098 Padme doesn't really change anything to be honest

[@imayer7098]

@@Bitdynasty Feels like Padme made everyone alot thicker. I just tried this in gac and got destroyed

[@Bitdynasty]

@@imayer7098 it will depend on CAT's max health vs Max protection on your JML, and any additional health they get from DC and additional protection you get from your DC. Here is a battle from GAC pre-DCs, but still works the same. It all depends on JML protection vs CAT health kzbin.infofQL-4W1eMKk?feature=share&t=1426

[@alexaekaraole]

For the Rey battle - isnt it a big of RNG-dependent? Eg. if CAT goes against Jolee?

[@Bitdynasty]

It is, but looking at the battle Jolee didn't do anything aside from the revive, so even if he gets taken out you still have a good chance to win

[@alexaekaraole]

@@Bitdynasty ah ok - that makes sense ! Appreciate the reply ! Love your videos / guides !

[@Bitdynasty]

I did more testing today, CAT always knocks out GAS

[@alexaekaraole]

@@Bitdynasty interesting ! I guess they hard coded a bit of GL in her as well in terms of toon targeting sneaky ! XD

[@andrecastillo1103]

Yo Bit, can you show how JML can counter JMK + CAT + JKA, if I target CAT, Anakin goes off with AOE due to his Righteous Fury unique. If I target JKA then CAT goes off with Shien.

[@Bitdynasty]

No one runs that in my arena so can't test it myself :(

[@Bitdynasty]

I came across this team in GAC today, I beat it for 55 banners with JML lead, JKL, GMY, GAS and JKR, I marked CAT first and took her out, sure JKA was annoying with his buff and healing immunity but at least he wasn't increasing cooldowns like GAS would :)

[@andrecastillo1103]

@@Bitdynasty thanks Bit... appreciate it

[@shalanakenobi6179]

Will the JML counter work without GAS?

[@Bitdynasty]

I think he is important because JMK is programmed to go after him so you use him as a punching bag

[@ThaDoctah]

Awesome video BD! The answer to all of our questions right now.

[@Bitdynasty]

indeed!

[@carlosa.ramirezdearellano3087]

How does one know when to use JMLs assist or the character special abilities?

[@Bitdynasty]

to begin with you will want to swap TM, stun and mark, then spam JML assists to fuel Ult

[@otten1]

The JML counter was an absolute disaster. They completely ignore JML's taunt.

[@Bitdynasty]

I have no issues, climbing every day in arena or even in GAC, I did however swap Wat with GMY

[@otten1]

I'll try GMY next time.

[@stevencook8858]

Great video as always. Have you found the methods to beat JMK with KAM and CAT?

[@Bitdynasty]

I find the ones without GAS easier to take down, his cooldown increase can be a pain

[@WhrsTheMoneyLabowski]

Finny how the turns table

[@Bitdynasty]

indeed!

[@maybe-xh8il]

I reckon half these views are from me spreading this all over discord. Thanks for keeping us mere mortals in the Crystal's yet again. Please never stop playing until I do

[@Bitdynasty]

thanks for sharing :)

[@maybe-xh8il]

@@Bitdynasty ye shame they just killed vader jkl and gas.

[@Bitdynasty]

yes that change will make most of counter videos obsolete :(

[@ziemniak2292]

Amazing video thx u so much, JML with ult is the best counter of all legend

[@Bitdynasty]

it seems like it!

[@Kingsolo360]

Your The best thank you so much

[@Bitdynasty]

thanks!

[@star-lord6629]

The best way 😎✌️

[@Bitdynasty]

This is the way!

[@aberos188]

Use geo brood alpha with the SEE counter so you can resummon the brute

[@todwayne]

Instead of…?

[@aberos188]

@@todwayne Sion or SET. Armorer and Wat are a must

[@Bitdynasty]

yes that works great!

[@Valnoir_]

@@Bitdynasty daka and zombie also work, just tested

[@WhrsTheMoneyLabowski]

They always attack my armorer after taking out the first tank and removing taunt from the other. Sadge

[@Bitdynasty]

Is she relic?

[@chrisalvino812]

I actually think for the JML counter, HODA works better than Wat in this scenario. He helps build charge faster for JML having an extra Jedi. And, better yet, his healing works via healing equalizing, so it ignores Kenobi's healing immunity, helping to keep GAS alive longer. If you're playing for banners in GAC, HODA is going to be more useful

[@chrisalvino812]

I actually just faced a JMK in GAC, and my HODA was able to get us 60 banners even after JMK went after my GAS and had him down to the red with healing immunity

[@Bitdynasty]

Yes Hermit can do trick also

[@FunkyBobFett]

Let's put this up after my GAC match. Can't have my opponent getting this information

[@Bitdynasty]

ok will take that in consideration next time ;)

[@jr2k2rj]

Slkr cheese doesnt work anymore after the great nerf of 2021 😓

[@Bitdynasty]

it still works somewhat but much less reliable

[@jr2k2rj]

@@Bitdynasty For JMK with Cat I need a Relic Armorer which I don't have at the moment! I wonder If I should r9 my SLKR when I get my first r9 mats.

[@Bitdynasty]

@@jr2k2rj don't think that R9 will help, need relic armorer :)

[@invisionis]

It's possible for SLKR without NS?

[@Bitdynasty]

It will be hard, maybe with GBA and KRU or Malak in there?

[@viksym]

Thanks, JMK has no chance against daka and zombie,

[@Bitdynasty]

yeah he doesn't like cheese it seems :)

[@toiletbomber2427]

Need to gear up Daka

[@Bitdynasty]

Yes, she and Zombie are cheese made in heaven

[@lucinicu433]

I tried too. it doesn't work at all. instead of giving the wrong information, you better not give. I really don't understand how some go to me. I feel like you put codes in the game and EA didn't catch you

[@Bitdynasty]

Hi, this video is old and will not work anymore as they nerfed a lot of characters and buffed JMK. Need to use different counters now. Which counter are you interested in, as I have new guides for each GL

[@lucinicu433]

@@Bitdynasty I understand that this team is no longer working. I needed this team in the gac, but the point is that I'm getting stronger opponents than me. I really don't understand this shitty algorithm. 3 legends vs 6 legends. is there anything right in this?

[@Bitdynasty]

@@lucinicu433 I understand you, since the new matchmaking started I am facing a stronger opponent every single round

[@fityhh6869]

Thanks for video. I dont check Rey with Jolee, I prefer combat JML+WAT, I send your video to my friends

[@Bitdynasty]

I appreciate that!

[@wadebanner7546]

JML doesn’t work at all if the JMK+cat has a c3po in the line up just FYI

[@Bitdynasty]

interesting, never seen the 3po team before, thanks for the heads up

[@noelcook8421]

Wrong team with Rey hermit Yoda revan jkl gas put gmt on Rey mod Rey for 10k physical damage I always have full protection and health never need revive I tested against jml and cat

[@Bitdynasty]

thanks can try it out, can you win regardless of who CAT instantly defeats?

[@noelcook8421]

@@Bitdynasty I focus on cat period so she doesn't use instant defeat and my gas and jkl over 10k physical damage with Rey about 9900 physical damage and 190k health

[@vempoa]

@@noelcook8421 That requires your JKR being faster than CAT. Not impossible, but it won't work against 360+ speed CATs.

[@noelcook8421]

@@vempoa not many are 360 cats

[@naaabil007]

Sorry but the team you are playing against is very slow..My arena all cat are fast.. over 360 speed !! And all jmk also are very fast over 570 Gas is over 300 .. So jmls does not work against it.. Your jmls'team is slow can't do anything

[@Bitdynasty]

I don't think speed matters that much, let JML eat the force leap, then Regan swaps TM with JKL that does mass stun, so 300 speed GAS will not get a turn anyway

[@avisco01]

FIRST! Love ya BD!

[@Bitdynasty]

congrats :)

[@avisco01]

@@Bitdynasty Thanks! It's the little victories that are so sweet! I can't get the SLKR cheese to work. My Daka is only R3 and Zombie G11. I'm guessing that is why.

[@michaelgurnick8422]

Great video. Thanks.

[@Bitdynasty]

Glad you liked it!