BJJ vs Judo | Jimmy Pedro and Lex Fridman

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Jimmy Pedro is a judo competitor and coach, world champion, 3x world medalist, 2x Olympic medalist.
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[@Pingshifu]

This is the most comprehensive and intelligent response I've ever heard at this kind of question. Jimmy is a great coach.

[@WilsonHsie]

Totally agree

[@nickoli000]

100 - I started judo in my late 30s as my daughter was doing it so we could train together. Hated the randori but loved the newaza. Switched to BJJ and loving it. Jimmy is completely on the money.

[@maximuslopez5811]

Agreed, learn some basics, do what works for you, and also avoids injury.

[@daebak7370]

@@nickoli000 did you feel beaten up after every judo class? I'd imagine in your late 30s it takes longer for your body to recover after constantly being thrown and landing on the mat

[@nickoli000]

@@daebak7370 Not every class (it would depend on technique being covered and training partners) but often enough. The club we were training at is competition- focused so may not be the case for all clubs. When you start to worry about getting injured going to training you realise it might be time to try something else 😅

[@blue0eyes0knight]

i started judo a few weeks ago at age 37 here in the UK. I find the instruction great so far and i am having a lot fun. I prefer judo to bjj so far as i think judo is more realistic for self defence (more emphasis on staying on feet etc) and coming from a striking background i prefer the dynamism of judo (that jimmy mentions).

[@rabidhoneybadger5436]

I’m 47 and started last year and injured my knee and had an mri today funnily enough but I know from the physio that’s my miniscus is torn and my ligaments are all stretched around my knee so I’ll need surgery. I love it but word of advice make sure you are insured properly because I’m not I’m self employed and when I have to have surgery I’m gonna be screwed 😫

[@LMR72]

@@rabidhoneybadger5436 Can I ask how that happened exactly? What was the mechanism of injury?

[@rabidhoneybadger5436]

@@LMR72 yep no worries………doing Randori with a guy much bigger and a blue belt and he showed no control whatsoever and I honestly don’t know what he did or what’s it’s called but it’s like he’s turned me to my right and hooked his leg around mine and I’ve literally ended up turning 180 and my left knee took the brunt of it, everyone sitting there heard a tear or pop and they all said don’t move don’t move, got dragged straight off the mat and an ice pack tied on my knee and here I am five months later still screwed. The guy did the exact same thing to another white belt ten minutes later and the guy screamed but managed to jump out of it. To say I’m not happy Is an understatement and I will be looking to claim for loss of earnings when I eventually have my surgery…….I know judo is a dangerous/risky martial art but you never let white belts train together for fear if injuring each other and you usually train with a black belt it higher belt so they can control you without you hurting them and vica verca but this guy showed no control and from what I’ve heard he’s been at it again recently and nearly crippled another few people in the same session. It’s a shame because it’s the most I’ve enjoyed any martial art and other then that the training was excellent and totally real there’s no bullshit involved, if what you are doing isn’t good then they ain’t just pretending and playing along it’s a proper struggle from beginning to end. I’m still going to go back to it but at a different club, which is a shame because the club I got hurt at is one of the best in London and near me but their attitude since it happened stinks tbh and that’s really pissed me off. I’d still recommend it to anyone and especially for parents with young children I wish I’d started this in my teens👍 Cheers Lars👊

[@LMR72]

@@rabidhoneybadger5436 Thank you for taking time to respond! I have been thinking about starting myself, but I am a little worried about injuries, especially since I'm half a century old.

[@isaacspeake9905]

​@@rabidhoneybadger5436 I just started Judo, I'm 38 years old. I've witnessed exactly what you're describing at my gym: a black belt going hard in Randori on less experienced partners. Thought it was weird, but our gym is only 5-10 ppl so got to work with what you got. I haven't joined in on Randori yet (too new, and instructor said it's best to have a couple months under belt first), and my instinct is to just flat out refuse anybody 20+ lbs bigger than me. It seems irresponsible to even attempt to spar someone who outweighs you by 20+ pounds and has over a decade of experience over me. I imagine this is going to be a problem, but I can't learn Judo if I'm injured.

[@matanavira1788]

I Started with judo (got brown belt), and after 9.5 years move to bjj (today I'm purple belt).One of the hardest thing that I had in this change is the cardio. In judo I increased my explosive Power, which didn't help me much when I started bjj, since my energy decreased very quick, and I threw up a lot in the toilet. (good old time). One of the main judo skills that improve and help my bjj, is to control the balance of the weight in control position like side or mount.

[@xanderbronkhorst902]

I concur. I am not a purple belt in BJJ.

[@shemshem9998]

somewhat the same in my expernce, i did judo for 8 years, from when I was 4 to 16 with some gaps in between due to moving and shit, so everything closed during covid, judo dojo is gone, so i went to find a club that was the most judo like and of course that was bjj. I've been doing that for about 3 months now, indeed when i pin someone like you said for the sidemount i don't have problems controlling them, and additionally in the 3 months I've been there I've been thrown into a ipon once and thrown others tons, most of them only pull guard anyays. the only person whos actually made me sweat on the standing is the coach himself, whos black belt in both.

[@bobronsons5780]

How the hell was stamina an issue coming from JUDO?????? XD you realise it's far more active than BJJ right? I think your Judo coach was ass tbh

[@matanavira1788]

@@bobronsons5780 cause judo base on explosive power. Every 5 year old that learns judo knows that, and 86 people agree with that. More active than bjj? In judo when you throw someone to the ground the fight can be over, when the bjj when you throw someone the fight has just begun. My dear boy, next time Go to do your homework and bring some information that substantiates your claim before you write a disparage comment.

[@cademiller9351]

​@@matanavira1788 judo is really not based on power or strength, even though it's a powerful art. I think maybe the speed of the movements can make it appear as though the judoka are using explosive force, but it's the timing, speed, leverage and overall physics that creates the power of the techniques, not effort or strength

[@spinningbacksidekick]

If you're less than 35: do judo If you're more than 35: do jiu jitsu If you're already very athletic, any age: do both.

[@Supermomo2007]

Iam 37 and doing judo

[@WarrenKirkpatrick]

I think it depends how you’re treating your body, I started judo realised my body isn’t an nimble so I started doing yoga and eating foods and exercising to protect my joints and strengthen my bones and so far it’s been good

[@Supermomo2007]

@@WarrenKirkpatrick yes. Depends on body.

[@James_Cy]

I did Judo for 6 months then recently switched to BJJ. Here's my take: 1. Judo is a much more traditional martial art in terms of etiquette and discipline. BJJ gyms are more laid back and have less emphasis on tradition and etiquette. 2. Judo is far more taxing on the body. Starting with newaza randori (ground fighting) then nagewaza (stand up), grappling first then getting thrown and fighting for grip is far more taxing than just grappling on the ground. I got beat up far worse in Judo than BJJ. That being said BJJ is still taxing and I always end up with bruises and scrapes. 3. BJJ guys are so far ahead of Judo on ground techniques its pretty crazy. I've only been submitted three times during my entire 6 months of Judo, mind you I was on the ground with Black and Brown belts. My first BJJ class I was submitted by a blue belt three times. Overall, I like the vibe and community of BJJ more than Judo. But Judo is much harder in terms of learning curve and on the body, and in my opinion a more complete martial art and better for self defense. It all comes down to personal preference

[@danielj233]

If Bjj were an olympic sport, it wouldn't be as "laid back" and chill anymore.

[@James_Cy]

@@vids595 This is very true. Lots of wrestlers come in and bring that pace and pressure along with takedowns and other techniques. It's no longer Brazilian jiujitsu, its just referred to as jiujitsu now by so many.

[@xy5844]

here on brazil we do a bunch of cross train... theres a bunch of judokas with killler ne waza and vice versa

[@rns7426]

Judo is wrestling, jacket wrestling, complete with submissions, pins, leg dives, rides, and turn overs. Dunno why no one puts that together. IJF doesn’t let you grab legs but AAU free style and traditional kodokan clubs do and still teach that.

[@xy5844]

@@rns7426 judo is juliet flak jak wrestling, while id prefer they return with the hand on leg attacks the way the rules are structured today makes the takedowns to be something beetween greco and freestyle, styles that are legit and work so well on mma so i dont know why people talk so bad about judo today saying that it doesnt work

[@BeaverChaser]

One of my bjj training partners was a D1 wrestler and coach at a D1 university. Multiple time gold medalist at IBJJF Masters Worlds. He said “wrestling, jiu jitsu, judo, etc., it’s all the same thing: whatever works.”

[@moefinesse9878]

I'm a black belt in judo and BJJ. Judo builds a better base, discipline and athleticism. BJJ definitely has better submissions. But it's so much harder to learn takedowns and building base then simply starting from guard. Pedro said it best, kids for judo BJJ for the crippled.

[@moefinesse9878]

@@vids595 please enlighten me with categories and types of throws that bjj teaches

[@ramon1930]

@@moefinesse9878 There are a lot. Single leg, double leg and single leg. Fuck yah.

[@blanquitoloco92]

@@moefinesse9878 Every Judo and Wrestling through can be applied in BJJ, excluding Wrestling slams. They are legal, and people do them.

[@antsabeats1976]

@@moefinesse9878 In my gym we do judo and wrestling everyday and obviously we have different classes that emphasise ground or stand-up. You have a bad dojo if you dont do a LOT of wrestling and judo etc..

[@iorekby]

@@ramon1930 That's not quite true. The reality is it varies a lot. Some BJJ places teach a few takedowns, and often teach them badly. Now and again you find an old school place that does a decent job, or where the coach has also a Judo/Sombo/Wrestling background and teaches solid takedowns. The vast majority of BJJ schools today thouhg don't really teach much in the way of takedowns. Even John Danaher said this, and he also said it's a big problem for modern BJJ. BJJ is fast moving towards a zero takedown style of grappling. Reality is in BJJ today, you can go from white belt to black belt in most gyms without ever knowing any takedowns, let alone being proficient in them.

[@BlackBeltScrub]

I'm just a scrub but I think Jimmy Pedro nails it in his comment. Getting hip tossed 20 times during a Judo class is something I cannot do as an adult anymore without paying the price the following day. I do believe that Judo training is a great cross train for BJJers. Makes your throws better, and you attack with intensity and explosiveness. Too many times I feel like BJJ is "lazy" compared to other grappling arts. So as a slightly over-weight, 40-something with a day job, I'm sticking w/ BJJ.

[@iorekby]

It's a lot to do with how we do Judo here. In Japan tons of people in their 50s/60s/70s do Judo because of the way they train. They are all about reps and clean technique and not smashing their partners. European and American Judo is a lot more bang bang bang, get them down asap. More Judo needs to have that Japanese vibe for recreational people.

[@davida.rosales6025]

There bad clubs and responsible clubs. A responsible club will never have a beginner tossed anywhere within the first 6 months. A responsible club makes the beginner train break falls (not by throwing them yet) and learning the in-and-out movement for basic throws, as well as "learning to walk" and roll on the ground, exclusively, for the first 6 months. Then you would learn basic hip tosses and you would begin to be thrown LIGHTLY. But mostly, the lower levels you should be mastering SWEEPS, which seem pretty basic but are quite effective up to the master level. You are only GRADUALLY introduced to the harsh realities of the art. I don't know what posseses modern trainers to be so careless as to not be aware of this.

[@MessianicJewJitsu]

I started Judo at 27 after pro wrestling for 10 years and then at 32 transitioned to jiu jitsu. Picked up a blue belt in Judo and hold a purple belt in jj. Judo is hard and I most had to do randori against Olympians and intense Cuban players usually aged 21 - 45.

[@jamesj9537]

Damn getting in there with the lions is a sure way to get sharp!

[@BW022]

Agreed. I did Judo from tweens up. So much of it was focused on competitions and so many people started in the 8 to 10-year-old range. We had coaches who were in their 50s and 60s, but there was certainly a gap on what to do with even a 30-year-old who wanted to start out. You couldn't have them with the kids and the adult classes were almost always filled with blue, brown, and black belts. The issue was also worse for females wanting to start at 16+. They couldn't be in the kid's class and the late-teen class typically was fund of competition heavy green and blue belts. I remember often taking time aside in the classes and doing one-on-one with lower belts. It also isn't ideal to be taken aside. Many clubs were also heavy into using competitions for belt grading. The 2000s change in Judo also made it a lot less friendly to teach on adults. Pre-2000s you spent have the time on groundwork -- which was less cardio, coordination, and impact. Even 50/50, gives a huge break in terms of things.

[@cthulhu-jitsu7404]

As someone who trains both, I think he only touched on what is actually the problem when coming to Judo as an adult. I started BJJ when I was 40 and Judo at 44. I personally enjoy the BJJ training more, but it has nothing to do with how easy or hard the training is. My major issue in Judo is honestly that the instruction as a whole, well kind of sucks. I'm visited multiple Judo Dojos in my city and even spoken with others from other countires and the pattern is always the same. The first 20 minutes is the Warm Up where we play football or something, then we do ukemi for another 20 minutes, then the trainer says to grab a partner and do three throws then switch partners and do them again until you have worked with 10 people, then we do randori. No one ever actually teaches technique, if you're coming to this as a white belt, and don't know any throws, you're just kind of out of luck. I was even in one class at another club where we spent over half the class playing football and did maybe 20 minutes of actual Judo. Even the throws I needed for my belt tests I didn't even really get taught what they were until about 2 weeks before the actual test. At the moment, most of my test prep I've had to do on my own through Google and KZbin. It's kind of a shame because I really like Judo, but I do not enjoy the training and class structure at all. This sort of structure may work with chilrden, but we're in dedicated classes for adults anyway where the children aren't allowed to join, so they may as well treat us like adults. And if you ask me, that's why BJJ is more popular with adults. I've trained in many BJJ schools all over the world, and while the quality definately varies, I've never been in a school where they just say, to do any three whatever and never show you a technique.

[@cthulhu-jitsu7404]

@Calub Park I actually think this is kind of part of the problem. Everyone thinks the problem is randori is hard on the body, but, if we're not structuring class to give beginners the tools they need to manage randori, then it's 1000 times worse. Pairing with higher belts only really helps if you have techniques you can try. If no one is ever teaching technique and just saying to learn it through randori, then people are going to get hurt more often and be more intimidated.

[@eberhardkieslich2538]

While I absolutely believe that, I sincerely hope you can come and visit our dojo in KY to see a huge contrast to the judo clubs you have trained at.

[@cthulhu-jitsu7404]

@@eberhardkieslich2538 Thanks for the invite, but I don't think that is very viable. I'm german and it's a bit of a drive. But either way, Like I've said, judo seems to as a whole just written off adults. I've even seen videos on KZbin of popular Judoka complaining about this. And the sad thing is, at least in my case, this is a really easy problem to fix and it wouldn't even require that much of a change to the class structure. All our club would have to do is start with Ukemi instead of football, and use the 20 minutes of football to teach a throw. The rest of the class could stay exactly the same. The advanced guys could do any throw they want in the "Do three Throws with 10 Partners" sections and the beginners could work on what they were taught. And back to the original point, that is why, at least in my opinion, BJJ is more popular with adults. The Judo Mentality seems to be, "if you didn't start when you were a kid then it's your problem." For all the talk about how Judo is suppossed to be for the massses, it was BJJ that said, "everyone is welcome, we'll find a way to train you". Admittedly, it was a profit motive but they stilll make an effort to include everyone. If you tell people you don't care about training them and always push their training to the side for the youth or people who are black belts, then obviously they are going to go somewhere else. The whole, "Judo is so hard on the body" is just an excuse and a little bit of a humble drag, IMO. Everything is dangerous if you're not showing people how to do it safely. Sorry, for the rant. It's a topic that has been annoying me lately.

[@amicellnandan3245]

Im also from germany, I think the main problem with judo here is that they dont offer proper classes for adults, beginners who are already adults arent treated as good as the kids and I think thats because they suppose that kids still have potential to become good judo athletes while adults already "passed" their chance of becoming good at it. Im a wrestler and I tried to find some good judo schools in germany for adults to learn some more grappling, unfortunately my experience was the same, even worse, I only found about 2 schools which held adult classes in my area and both of them felt kinda the same as you were describing it

[@cthulhu-jitsu7404]

@@amicellnandan3245 according to the video, this seems to be him opinion of training for adults as well.

[@AlphaOmegaMMA1]

Great clip thanks. 🙏

[@kallepikku4991]

Most intelligent answer I've heard on this topic. As a business owner and a life-long martial artist, I totally agree.

[@petewelsh9978]

Awesome take and excellent advice. Best commentary I’ve heard on this subject. I started judo at 49. It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever done. But I was a fit 49 having come from club and university rugby, karate, ABA and for the last 20 years triathlon finishing 7 x Ironman. I was fit! Judo is HARD! I stuck at it had plenty of minor injuries and found it hard to recover between classes 2-3 days apart. Our club is not IJF and we also train sambo. Lots of pressure testing! All I can say is I’ve never felt so strong/ tough/ confident in my life. Would I recommend judo asa way to get in shape for somebody 40+? No way! I suggest developing fitness while training BJJ then when you feel confident, maybe 2-3 years consider cross training judo. Your BJJ and fitness will skyrocket if you add judo. But it’s HARD!

[@lslewis]

I just turned 39 and was encouraged while reading this^^, but also slightly discouraged b/c I'm not very fit. I'm skinny and never trained any sport. Perhaps bjj is better for me to start with?

[@petewelsh9978]

@@lslewis Hey! Go for it, I’d suggest you give BJJ a try first - the most important thing is to join a good, supportive gym/ club. Good luck

[@lslewis]

@@petewelsh9978 (^_^) Many thanks, Pete~

[@freespirit7328]

@@lslewis if you are skinny it's Comparitively Better ..as chances of injuries would be less on getting thrown. Having flexibility if u have( being skinny) can also lower chances of Injuries. Just try to avoid careless partners..I strated at 31 and was Thin and Flexible.. but all was ruined by a fool who jumped on to my upper chest , unnecessarily after a Practice throw...which even Teacher asks not to do. My AC joint got separated. I wanted to do it again ..but I m sure this weakened joint will be damaged again by someone..or during some pull or throw(ligaments take a lot of time to heal.. specially Shoulder type complex joint) I mean just be careful.

[@lslewis]

@@freespirit7328 Noted, thanks^^

[@MangyBat]

I got blackbelts in both Judo and BJJ. I prefer the mindset while training Judo more but BJJ is definitely easier on the body.

[@danw331]

Wanna fight?? Only joking please don't hurt me.

[@JuanHernandez-ze3si]

Same here I got a black belt on both. I switched from Judo to BJJ at age 24 and now that I'm 42 I can tell you I'm glad I did, my friends who stayed in Judo all have severe joint issues, I mean so do I but not nearly as much as those guys, with that said, Judo is my favorite of the two.

[@eltoq8407]

You guys accomplished my goal lol I’m black in Judo and Blue in BJJ, I hope one day I can to that level.

[@rangelo8908]

Same here and I 100% agree.

[@danielmarbella1197]

It means you never trained in an advance competition oriented gym. If in Judo you end up with joints hurt, imagine a sport like BJJ were the target are, among others, breaking joints. And you never want to tap.

[@dfrench3242]

I feel he mostly hits the nail on the head here. I've trained judo in a bunch of places the last 20 years and seen many different styles of instruction/coaching. The fact remains that even with a slow build-up it's difficult to teach adults how to manage themselves in a tachi-waza tandoori without injuring themselves when they start from scratch. The learning curve tends to be quite steep and requires more patience than most people tend to have. People who started out as children and stick with the sport know a lot of what's needed instinctively by the time they are adults. Beside the general concepts what's done in randori can still differ massively from person to person. In the end a beginner of age 18+ will have a far more difficult time developing a certain instinctive awareness and that's what generally leads to a higher risk of injury. With BJJ practically the only safety rule one has to learn is to tap out when it starts hurting (and to let go if someone taps). Both sports have more techniques than one can learn in a lifetime to pull off in a randori/rolling session, so in the end it's down to personal preference and/or knowing the limits of your own body

[@jonathanfernandez2078]

I wonder if there will ever be a place for recreational training in Wrestling for adults?

[@TC-bv4on]

I’ve been trying to find one near Chicago and I can’t find one. There’s a club that’s 2 hours away but idk if I’m willing to go that far

[@firegate6316]

There are freestyle wrestling clubs for adults. However, they are few and far in between.

[@il6315]

That's even harder to find than an adult judp program but they do exist. You can check out if a local university has a club team

[@kev0247]

Best bet is at an MMA gym. At my gym we do a good amount of wrestling on no gi bjj days. No pure wrestling classes though, unfortunately.

[@JayV98]

@@TC-bv4on fortunately for me, I got a judo/bjj place by me along with an mma place.

[@carloszambrano1997]

Very good interview

[@sleepytwiggaming]

He really answered everything. Pedro is a amazing coach

[@katkyle8169]

Great advice. Do what makes sense for you, your age and your body!

[@Marcoshary]

Great explanation!

[@shanemeally6326]

That seems very true to me. I'm 42 and not exactly svelte. I've been to three Judo classes in the last few weeks and, as much as I enjoy it, would love a slower, more easy going class where I could learn the trips, throws and safe landings, etc, without the competition element until I'm a bit more confident in my technique. Also, as I'm not terribly athletic, I am mainly defensive when sparring as I still fear falling. That must be quite frustrating for the younger, lower belts, who have neither the technique (yet) or size/power to throw me when I am so negative in my sparring. The higher belts are infinitely patient with me, to their absolute credit, as they can easily flip me yet seem more interested in teaching me the fundamentals than getting the victory.

[@franko2053]

I recommend try joinging a adult gymnastic class or yoga to stretch and loosen up for a few months. Judo is very tough on your back and joints. Try joining different clubs some sensei's prefer to focus a lot on randori, others are heavy into technique, some like to focus on grapling a bit more than others. It is about getting the right fit for where you are. It works nice to switch like that when you hit a plato in development.

[@FelixFrost]

was waiting for tis for a long time!

[@LearnSicilian]

What he says about adults in Judo is so true. Did 1.5 years in judo, 2 concussions and a broken displaced tibia later I had to step away. That being said I’ve never felt as strong as I did with judo - it is brutal. But yea he’s right that you need a program that doesn’t force randori, my program unfortunately forced it to an extreme degree (was in a dojo with several national and international champions)

[@normandy1140]

I am really sorry to hear that you got hurt like that. Any judo dojo you go to should never force you to do something you feel uncomfortable with. And any competent judo instructor should know that randori can be done safely; at a speed the participants are OK with and doing low-impact ukemi you can handle.

[@johnbaptist7082]

The secret in order to not get injured in judo is simple. First focus on learning perfect ukemi. Second when doing ramdori never resist a throw unless you know a counter technique. Most people refuse to let go and in turn they get injured. I started judo at the age of 30. Now three years later and 3 tournaments in I never got injured.

[@mindfulnessnow3094]

Very much on point. Judo is much more taxing and difficult to start and be efficient in at a late age Vs Jiujitsu, where you can develop a decent level even after starting at 40. I also agree that Judo is more interesting for kids to start, more interactive, standup, Newaza, before eventually transitioning or cross-training in BJJ. One of the bigger issues of BJJ overall is its lack of physicality and athleticism vs Judo or Wrestling. And i am saying this as a BJJ guy who loves his Jiujitsu. Jiujitsu on the other hand is much more technical and never ends, there is always more to learn, reassess, improve. At the end of the day, both complete each other perfectly.

[@zartic4life]

BJJ isn't more "technical" then Judo lol It's the exact opposite actually. Do you know why most Judo classes focus 70% of the class on stand up vs ground (unless Kosen Judo)? Take a wild guess. You know - the less technical part that BJJ just threw out and would rather you scoot your butt on the ground while getting head kicked in the face in a street encounter (the entire orignal point of the martial art). Unless your attacker is naked in which case Judo won't save you, right? How can I defend myself without him having sleeves? His randomly wearing tight spandex with his nips showing! If you see that just run away. 😂

[@eberhardkieslich2538]

The problem seems to be that very few good adult judo programs exist in the US. I happen to run a program for kids and adults in Kentucky. No injuries at my club since 1998 when we officially opened the dojo. I have many years experience in judo (without a break) and decades of experience teaching. The issue I see with what Jimmy says is that kids don’t develop their skills as far as if there are adult judoka in their club for them to train with. In other countries this works well. I have a friend in Sweden who has 700 members of all ages in his judo club, many of them training together. By definition this is how true judo skill develops. Kids training with kids will only produce mediocre judoka. That’s why top level US judoka spend years in Japan and Europe, where this culture exists. There seems to be a problem developing a strong base in the US. I agree that all kids should learn judo first, in fact stand up judo first. The sense for balance one learns in their younger age, is immensely valuable. That doesn’t mean their isn’t great value for adults in their forties, fifties and older to start learning. Good instructors understand that and their dojos are welcoming to participants of any age.

[@sangbeom6245]

Park Suk Byung had an excellent if very unknown school in Montana. Some of his students were national medalists in Sambo and Judo and Navy SEALs. 2 hours Kong, very technical (in an old school 60s 70s kind of way) with a lot of Korean Yudo College mental toughness (Yong-in). He was a former Olympic coach and world medalists. Of all the Judo schools I've visited he is still the best in the US including judo philosophy. He really cared about full physical health aspects from sleep to nutrition to warm up and injury recovery more than most old school. My dad treated him medically for several years.

[@bobronsons5780]

This sums it all up perfectly. We can stop click baiting this topic now...

[@ej1478]

The sentiments both in video, as well as the comments, make me feel a little better about my Judo journey. I started BJJ at 15, stuck with it for three years, got close to a blue belt before stopping because... life got in the way. fast forward to late 2019, at the age of 34, I started Judo. With both a demanding work schedule (working out of town a lot) and many lockdowns here in Australia, I've found it hard to get continuity with training. However, more pertinently, I've found it very hard to pick up Judo on the whole. The one-class-fits-all approach, with kids and adults, a very random and non-linear approach to learning throws, randoori against 20-something guys who've been training since they were six - and constantly getting seoi nagi'd, yeah, it's been hard. I've recently, in the last few months, joined a local BJJ club. The difference has been mind boggling. An inclusive culture, adult classes separate from kids, a more structured approach to learning techniques. I find BJJ so much more fun, however, there is something addictive about Judo and it's beautiful style, and landing a good throw isn't just rewarding, it's exhilarating. My BJJ is definitely better for having learned some Judo. I am going to stick with Judo. In saying that, where I think Judo goes wrong is that only people like myself, who have a passion for the discipline will stick to it. If Judo is run in the U.S. anything like Australia, where it's conducted at voluntary level through local clubs, at community centres, and filters up from there to national level, then I can see why it's not very popular. BJJ club membership isn't cheap, but it's run professionally. Judo costs $5 per class. You get what you pay for...

[@tarnishchris]

I dunno...I am 45 and started judo about 6 weeks ago...love it

[@mattgarcia1099]

I started judo at age 34. By age 35, I broke my tib/fib bones. No more judo for me. Judo is also much more difficult technically. That is why some of rhe Japanese universities taught Kosen Judo, because newaza was easier to teach than the throws in a short amount of time.

[@freespirit7328]

Bro,same here started at 31 and By 32(Hardly 1 yr) Shoulder got destroyed..now can't do..very Risky.. specially with Young and Careless Competitive guys around and that too in the presence of Girls..they can't handle. Almost all ligaments of Shoulder were either Reconstructed or Replaced with A Tape and An Endobitton. Such a Strong Joint(Rt side) destroyed by a fool jumping on to my clavicle on upper chest. Though I really liked judo..still want to train..but very risky.Dont want to waste another half year In Hospital Visits,Diagnosis,Sugery6,Hospitalization,SLINGS, handicap in activities,follow-ups,Rehabilitation,Money and Time waste and A Disability(Weakness of the Strongest Part of my body) for lifetime..already is , though. I had a really strong shoulder.

[@Sx-xy2zi]

Damn, I'm 34 and I wanted to start judo. I have a lot of weight to lose. Seems like I should do bjj instead

[@DerineShorts]

@@Sx-xy2zi I loose 4kg doing Judo..for 2months already.. And I’m not even fat..I’m well build. I was 68kg by surprise I was weighing 64kg 😂😂 I want to gain my wait back Asap! Judo is great and will make you gain good posture and explosiveness

[@dylan_krishna_777]

Kosen Judo is the best🙏⛩️🇯🇵🥋

[@vori1973]

Simple and very good explanation

[@ryangerena6912]

Very honest & fair answer!

[@marcomonaldi9058]

I’m 17 and currently wrestling, I can’t wait to get into bjj and judo too a few years from now.

[@MaximilianoMendes]

Im 43 now and im seriously considering starting judo in about two years (already have a decent experience with martial arts in general and im still training). As an old guy, my knees and shoulders are obviously messed up, but im interested in improving my balance and practicing to avoid serious injuries if i ever fall to the ground by accident. Pray for me 😅

[@lamesurfer1015]

Stick to Randori at 50-60% only and practice Ukemi/Breakfalls religiously. Honestly, I can tell you that has helped immensely. Also, them breakfalls have saved my ass more than once!

[@rns7426]

You can do it. It’s not randori that’s tough on the body. It’s the repetition of practicing throwing and doing ukemi(falling techniques). Get good at ukemi to protect yourself. If you’re lucky you have a club that likes crash mats for the majority of your practice throws. Old school places may not do that.

[@AnGhaeilge]

I agree with Jimmy on the injury side of things. I started judo in my early 20's for a few years, and then came back to it in my late 30's and it was difficult to readjust. Started picking up a lot of nagging injuries in my knees and shoulders. I prefer judo to BJJ, but I think BJJ is more forgiving on the body as you get older. I think as older people, we should train judo smarter. Lighter randori, flow more with your partner, throw for throw with a small bit of resistance just to keep the body mobile.

[@miritanahaira5672]

Just do throwing In the pool an flow on the Mat, if your a old guy or gal can do a lot in the pool- but yeah I was lucky having my own black belt from South Africa teach me in the pool an mat, due to being 35 with arthritis in my knees due to rugby an playing sports my whole life- I opted to keep it safe. Just working round stuff tbh

[@andrealcantara1437]

Well that makes a lot of sense. I do BJJ but I used to doo Judo as a kid and want to do both, specially to improve my BJJ

[@guyeshel9316]

36 yo doing Judo and loves it. I do get injured once in a while though

[@sllteam7190]

this guy are amazing about is analyst im balck belt in judo bit it was between 5 years old and 19 , after firefigter in paris lot of injuries cervical traumatism etc about the hard training, and for me when i start BJJ in johannesburg it was more easy to manage my pains, noo projection etcbut of theses sport sambo, westrling are amazing to fight in the street

[@madgenius1534]

Judo for ending a fight in 1.5 seconds and BJJ for ending up making out for 10 minutes.

[@blessed37]

I found Judo on accident. We started randori the first week! I was blown away. Got all my worst injuries there, but also fell in love with the art.

[@lucascc98]

U definitely did judo damn

[@vitamincisgoodforme]

What kind of injuries?

[@lucascc98]

@@vitamincisgoodforme I broke my collarbone and my shoulders are completely fucked

[@vitamincisgoodforme]

@@lucascc98 Do you still do it? I'm in my mid 30s and this video and comments like yours have slightly turned me off from attempting to learn it. Was always attracted to Judo for some reason but may have to settle on something else like Krav Maga or BJJ

[@blessed37]

Broken rib, broken toe, torn mcl, and I only trained for three years. It was fun though.

[@michaciemniewski9791]

I started judo when my son started primary school. In my late 30s. It was hard to start but after I go over my ears hurting, my fingers hurting and everything else hurting I really love it.

[@davida.rosales6025]

Judo requires: - patience: as you need to learn plenty of physical control to even start to learn the first technique - attention to somatic / body /intuitive learning - developing athleticism - it has a culture of humility where people who brag too much are seen as crass It's harder. BJJ is preferred by the rabble because: - no patience necessary: you can learn cool techniques right off the bat - you can be lazy: you can go up to black belt without developing your fitness (not recommended but you CAN) - it's all cerebral, you get to feel smart and brag with your friends

[@xy5844]

guy is spreading facts..... i hope to return to do judo aswell one day

[@armanmartikian]

He politely said that if you are an adult, you’re too late to start judo. And I totally agree with that.

[@myhandlehasbeenmishandled]

Sure, if you want to get far like compete. He did acknowledge that adults can train but need different environment. After all a lot of schools have classes for adults. People just need to have proper expectations of what they can get their students to do and communicate it properly. You can train just for yourself without having to show off for yourself or others. Most people, including kids, that take up Judo will not go far anyway. Most will quit. As Jimmy said dojos need environment for adult. And from what I have seen, that currently doesn't exist. Most Judo schools are geared to see their students go on to compete. Which is unfortunate. It robs people of opportunity to experience Judo. Not everyone can or should aim to be a Judo athlete.

[@LLyrik09]

Yeah I'm 32 and I want to do judo but I don't want to compete at all I just want to be able to defend myself in this cold climate like the Midwest. Being able to throw somebody with minimal amount of effort in the 8 months that it's cold out here can be a huge advantage unlike jujitsu where you have to go to the ground. Who wants to go to the ground and a icy climate?

[@armanmartikian]

@@LLyrik09 judo gives you more athlethism than jujitsu, and that athletism is better advantage for you in the streets. But hey, just a reminder if fight can be avoided, its wiser, one can win and still get hurt, and the legal troubles are also to be taken into consideration. Judo also has enough ground game to catch people in streets or defend oneself from submissions. No doubt the ground game of jujitsu is more advanced, but you dont plan to advance that far im sure at your age. As far as nobody wants to go on the ground on coldweatger might not necessarily be true, sometimes it can lead there without either one planning to.

[@LLyrik09]

@@armanmartikian I agree sometimes they can lead there without planning to. The best altercation is one that is completely avoided and in a place like Chicago I'll probably be pulling out my gun before doing any of this stuff lol but judo just seems more fascinating to me I'm nowhere near as athletic as I was in high school but I may be 30% of that which I feel is enough to learn some basic judo skills. Jiu jitsu would probably be my forever martial arts I see people doing that in their 60s. I think the way the Japanese do judo would preserve your body a lot longer but like I said I'm not trying to compete I'm just trying to learn the moves for self-defense and If I'm really being honest I want my son to get into it and I just want to learn to move so I can defend myself in the event that he ever tries to step to me lol 🤣

[@armanmartikian]

@@LLyrik09 if i may also add, in street fight other factors are more important than the physical aspect of it. The will, the intensity level, calmness, confidence, experience and so on. But yes judo is fascinating, i practiced since i was 8, im in my 40’s now and still visit the dojo with a gi sometimes. The most important key if u start practicing, make sure you have fun doing it. When you’re having fun, you learn and improve at much faster pace.

[@dimitrisk.875]

I have to agree with Pedro, as most of us as I see. Being 43 and having started bjj half a year ago and judo a couple of months ago, I can verify that the level and possibility of minor injuries in judo are much higher. Since now I haven’t suffered anything from bjj except the usual stiff neck after some rnc, or some stifness from armbar techniques, but these go away in a couple of days. On the other hand, from a very light randori session, like 50 to 60% maximum effort, I had a slight shoulder injury due to bad fall (fell on my elbow instead of a proper ukemi). Out for whole week… Is it worth the risk? Imo yes!! Just have to train smart. Oss.

[@flowride4184]

I used to train in both bjj and judo. That is great if you have the time. It can be like having cheat codes. Throwing dudes super easily in bjj, and catching judo dudes with all kinds of shit theyve never seen on the ground.

[@averyhavok4829]

I train bjj mostly and Judo a few times a week. The judo is amongst older middle aged guys that for sure enjoy the easier style of judo with some randori thrown in to make sure it’s effective. Really has complimented my jiujitsu

[@juanignacioprevigliano2951]

My dojo in France has a recrational adult program and it is amazing to see people starting judo at 32 years and be a briwn belt at 40, for example.

[@peterrusznak6165]

Well said.

[@gregquinn7817]

I did judo for a bit...they spent months training me how to just do falling followed by somersaults. The regular mat was much softer than the bjj or wrestling mats that I usually see in those places...and we used crash pads to take the big throws.

[@michiel5160]

Sounds great to me. You have to be able to control your body and take a fall. Also soft mats are easier on the body.

[@belalabusultan5911]

Judo focuses more on takedowns and throwing your opponent, BJJ focuses more on wrestling and subduing your opponent on the ground. for that; Judo is better for ids as a kid will have less powet when he throws you, and you'd be much lighter and have stronger bones, so when you hit the ground you can survive it. BJJ is better for adults because you opponent has a larger body to grapple.

[@libertarian_ramblings]

Nailed it.

[@TheEwokExplorer]

it’s best to know both

[@blacksheeptx214]

I started with combat hapkido at age 5. At 13, I started judo till id 20s. Brown belt due to inconsistent training on my part. Then took a break and picked up bjj at 33 years of age and attained a blue belt by 45 years of age. Injuries took a toll on my body, not going to lie. School sports like football along with martial arts and skateboarding was pretty rough on my body and age amplified the injuries. Now, at 49 years of age, I got the itch again and joined a freestyle judo school and I love it. It combines judo and jujitsu. Yes, I still suffer from injuries and it definitely takes longer to heal but I enjoy it too much to stop. I hope to continue into my 60s. we'll see i guess.

[@shemshem9998]

well judo thrives for those who START when they are kids to uni, you can weather your body and your technique to be able to handle more when your older (for general practice, not full on pro fights of course), but starting is difficult at that age. for example my coach who was in the olympics and is now in his 50s could take a beating way worse than the average person in their 30s

[@artsy38]

This is a great answer , makes complete sense.

[@craigedwards2411]

Yeap, I am 37 and looking now for a judo club that does not do SMASH SMASH all day. I wanna learn technique and as Jimmy said. I can maybe try some randori once I feel settled in a bit.

[@youngkwak9931]

Only way to get good is to smash technique will come

[@charliecrome207]

Not true, you can definitely improve without going balls to the wall every session

[@youngkwak9931]

@@charliecrome207 you think khabib will agree with you

[@craigedwards2411]

@@youngkwak9931 MAybe, but will my body survive a smash session with an experienced 19 year old?! I don't think it is a wise move for me especially considering that I will most likely NEVER compete in my life.

[@craigedwards2411]

@@youngkwak9931 Mate, Khabib is a world class athlete and I am NEVER going to be at his level or anywhere near it. I just wanna learn judo and have fun with it.

[@horatiohornbie7395]

My dad was a judo guy.... I took judo and bjj... He HATED bjj.... called it "dirty fighting". LOL

[@memysurname7521]

Lol

[@sepidedam1151]

Hahaha .. Yes . Bjj is only Judo ground work that is called Ne Waza not anymore .

[@carlosalvaretz3621]

Very true but bjj is judo newaza every single bjj move develop from the judo basic newaza move. They can stick at their dojo and traine ground work and be creative and still compete in bjj

[@tomasseidl7688]

I'm a black belt in Jiu-JItsu and been practicing since 97. I am really considering putting my son in judo before Jiu-Jitsu when it's time. The respect and discipline foundations are very strong in judo, and are being lost in BJJ (at least here in Brazil). Plus He'll know how to take a fight to the ground and won't be a guard puller because he lacks options.

[@seanpetrash7263]

I agree. Seems almost every time the adults did randori at my school someone would get injured.

[@DoomsdayIsComing73]

Great and honest answer. I will tell anyone who cares to listen, when searching for a BJJ school, or dojo, one thing that may make your initial experience much more positive… Ask or inquire as to whether the school has adult only classes, or Senior classes. That way, especially if you’ve never done, or been exposed to, BJJ you’ll be with older men and women, who aren’t spastic and overly aggressive. Trust me, I started practicing Jujitsu earlier on in life, and I have trained in numerous dojo or schools. Young bucks always want to run through a wall, and go as hard as they can, every time they roll. It’s not a big d$&k contest! Do yourself a favor, set yourself up for success….

[@daebak7370]

I do boxing and muy thai and the same applies there too.

[@darrenpinard1658]

I know too many people with 5+ years training in BJJ and they do not know a single takedown. It's like having a handful of bullets and no gun. Each art needs a little of the other.

[@antsabeats1976]

That's insane..they probably train at a small gym with few teachers. I couldn't even imagine doing bjj without wrestling or judo..

[@iorekby]

@@antsabeats1976 No it's actually the norm now. Because of my job I gym hop a lot and do a lot of drop ins, and I've trained in about 20 gyms in 3 continents over the past 8 years. Takedowns in BJJ in most gyms are non-existant today. Unless you have an old school coach, or your coach was a wrestler/Judoka/Somboist, you likely won't do much takedowns. We can prove it even further because when they looked at the Mundials data from 2014-2019, only 17% of Black belt matches had takedowns or takedown attempts. Reality is today you can go from white to black belt in BJJ without knowing a single takedown. It's sadly the direction the sport has been going in for a while.

[@CasperVanLaar]

@@iorekby i've noticed the same, while traveling and studying! Luckily i joined a school where they have a dedicated day for wrestling.

[@rns7426]

@@iorekby so true

[@cuzza4321]

As a BJJ this is legit. So many gyms and guys I know have no fucking clue. I mean sure we warm up with "double leg" /"single leg" but I feel like an idiot just dropping to my knee against a ghost opponent or even against a real opponent. We do have a class here or there on it. But I just KNOW against cunts who are HARD training this shit day in and day out, I have no clue how to actively get somebody on the ground. Unfortunately I mostly play BJJ for sport and I work full time, im not gunna sign up at a SECOND GYM just to learn take downs for the 0.001% chance I ever get in an irl fight 1v1 nobody around to break it up / soccer kick me.

[@thegoat5587]

I'm 21 and have good cardio (running), as well as calisthenics (pull ups, ring muscle ups). Is it difficult to start judo at this point?

[@robreke]

Good Lord, absolutely not. I totally emvy you. I'm 53 and thinking of starting. In good shape, but have the aches and pains of an older man and still thinking of starting. 21 is a no brainer. Your body is as young, strong, agile, supple and flexible as it'll ever be. anytime in your 20s and you'd be fine starting.

[@YourBestFriendforToday]

Judo practice feels like a mild car accident the next day. It's great

[@ricardoferreira7316]

Sport Judo and randori is brutal on the body. Agree 100% with Jimmy here, the practice of the pure Martial Art in a controlled manner can be feasible in later ages. BJJ also depends, yes less physical requirements and easier to teach for older people, also the self defence aspect (depending on the school unfortunately). But Judo has self defence also. BJJ, GJJ and Judo came all from same pot. I started in Judo but now practice and teach BJJ and we teach and practice throws. But definitely harder to get an older person to fall gracefully without injury than to teach her to do a Kata Juji Jime (cross colar choke) from mount 😅

[@graciebarra_IOM]

Hi lex, i am black belt judoka and just recently I’ve moved into BJJ as for me Bjj is more judo this days then judo, i mean with all the regulations about grabbing the legs, limitations in kneewaza destroying judo for sure. BJJ is olsa more practical in real life scenarios in my opinion. Kind regards.

[@Supermomo2007]

I still prefer judo

[@aj-rk2iy]

No. Judo is more practical in real life. In a street fight you don't want to be going to the ground, it can put you in danger, especially with multiple attackers. Judo will keep you on your feet and enable you to throw someone, then quickly get away. Remember, on the hard surfaces outside, a throw will knock someone out. Any BJJ guy on the street is in trouble against a judoka as there aren't mats to keep them safe.

[@AlexanderPews]

are u high? bjj today is more judo than judo? yeah nice standing techniques bro.. when I spar with BJJ guys none of them wants start standing up, just sitting on their ass all day lol

[@bachconneshon7809]

Kneewaza? Forgive me but you probably aren't a black belt judoka

[@henkuanghoung4732]

@@bachconneshon7809yes. It should be knee whizzer

[@nycbk9043]

Advice from black belt in judo and purple belt in BJJ. 1. Judo is good for kids 2. BJJ is good for adults. 3. Going from judo to bjj is smooth. 4. Going from bjj to judo is difficult and very time consuming, so much you will properly end up mediocare at both if you have a job besides training. 5. BJJ community you will meet a lot of bums and people who lack martial art mentality, as a lot of guys comes just to fight and have low self esteem. 6. Judo community is more chilled and you will meet people who are more well balanced with jobs etc.

[@lucascc98]

Spot on

[@iorekby]

This is accurate. I personally like the Judo community far more as there's less delusional idiots in it compared to BJJ. I remember my first Judo coach was asked by a BJJ blue belt what he would do in a fight. BJJ blue belt had been telling everyone to double leg, mount armbar...guy was terrible at standup grappling BTW, but felt the need to tell everyone about how he would kick ass in a fight. Typical BJJ blowhard (and I say that as someone who did BJJ for 8 years). Anyways, when he asked my Judo coach what he would do if he was attacked, my Judo coached stared at him and said "Run away and call the police, what the hell else would you do?" Everyone in the class burst out laughing. We never saw wee Billy Blue belt again.

[@lucascc98]

@@iorekby I feel like judo people are a lot more down to earth and humble

[@nycbk9043]

​@@lucascc98 Correcto. I have been in the gym long enough to know what's its about. I have met maybe during my career 300 new students starting BJJ, and of these around 270-280 are either bums or have low self esteem and develop a syndrome when they become good at martial arts a combination of dangerous skills and low self esteem which is a dangerous and destructive combination. The number is very low in Judo gyms properly around 5 people out of 300, Judo people are very well balanced in the dojo and outside the dojo, they learn how to become true martial artists , which BJJ guys never will reach even with higher belts, most of them dont even know the the true foundations of martial arts nor jiu jitsu, they believe it was some weak little Brazilian who created jiu jitsu and crushed judokas and he only lost one time in his life to a heavy weight judoka who weighed 100 pounds more (its all FAKE). And another think seriously I have never ever trained with so many people WHO STINKS (like S****) when I do BJJ for 1 month then I did in my entire Judo career (10 years), as many BJJ guys dont even wash their gi nor a***hole every time they step onto the mat, personally as a martial artist I find it every very disgusting.

[@lucascc98]

@@nycbk9043 ahahahahaha damn that must have sucked 😅😅

[@estonian]

I did judo 1989-2013 (stopped competing around 2008) and started BJJ at the end of 2019 (~5 years off the mat) . really smooth transition. Love the sport but for my kids it was a bit boring.

[@rene5853]

Jiu-Jitsu is like a puzzle of body positions (guard, pass, sweeps) and Judo is like a puzzle of movements (foot trips, throws it depends on where the weight is)

[@vaccinatedanti-vaxxer]

I’m jealous, when I wanted to get into Bjj, I was broke. Even mcdojo would be fine for me as a beginner, just something to work our and make friends, were too expensive. So I looked up judo programs and find out it’s way less popular and cheaper. I brought my taekwondo gi (from college self defense class) they told me it’s too thin. So I got the gi, got training a few weeks but after every class I came out with a headache. I wanted to keep going but didn’t want long term brain damage since I had multiple concussions before it’s easy for me to get them.

[@midlifemma3049]

Wish me luck, I am going to my first Judo lesson tomorrow at 46, and next week my first Jiu-Jitsu lesson as well...

[@Sorel366]

So how did it go?

[@Sorel366]

So how did it go?

[@robubik670]

Any update on your progress?

[@Dbunkr55]

Pretty much what Helio Gracie said re BJJ v Judo.

[@TechnlcalTechnlques]

he described my life😂 judo as a kid jiujitsu as an adult and now i do both i would recommend to anyone to do both

[@darrondelange5403]

Karate was my very first martial arts I got into, oh boy did karate, the karate style I done was Shukokai, almost everyone thinks Kyokushin is the only full contact karate style, but it’s not, my sensei was brown from amanzimtoti, south coast, south Friday, anyway, I got to purple belt, I was really good in karate, I got my Natal colours for karate was the champ who never lost a karate fight, nor did I ever lose a fight in school or after school with the kids more round my age and a little older, my older cousin use to make me fight all his friends brother and there cousins, and they use place money bets on me, I never lost a fight my older cousin set up for me, anywayI was and still pretty chilled, but I never liked to get into a fight cause I would always end up feeling bad for hitting someone. So I use to walk around feel a “fake” confidence in my abilities as KARATE made me believe I was so much better then I actually was, it wasn’t my fault, but I thought I was hard an could fight properly, so one day I moved to my in England and I had 3 younger half brother who all did boxing on amateur level they reached nationals and county champs, cause my dad was one of there boxing coaches so I started boxing and it was so much harder then karate training and for the first time I found out about fitness and why you need to be fit, I never done that in karate, so I was pretty good at not getting hit to much in sparring and in most of my bouts, but there and hen I got into boxing I knew straight away that karate kid to me and made me have a “false” sense of confidence because I knew at the moment if I had ever faced an amateur boxing when I was the Natal karate champion, most probably, I not a 100% sure, but 90% sure I would of been embarrassed by the amateur boxing, so now I was very fast on my feet been able to hit you and moving out the way so that I don’t get or don’t get nowhere near the amount of times I would hit you, I get a lot of slack for keeping my hand down to low, but that was a bad Karate habit hat formed on me as it was my first fighting style that I learnt. Okay so now been very good in both karate and boxing both on amateur level though, I owls return to South Africa only to meet a new style of fighting I never heard of before, my coach was Shawn Harris, the very best coach I have ever had. Okay so I started Vale Tudo, now Vale Tudo is pretty much the same thing as MMA, mixed martial arts but with a lot less rules andthere were no weight limits so like myself a welterweight sparred a middleweight for 5 minutes then then the coach would shout TIME-SWITCH, then you owls tun around to spar whoever was next to you and it would be a heavyweight and now you you are small guy a 64 kg welterweight ongoing up or sparing a 105 kg heavyweight sometimes a 120 kg dude, okay I’m not going to lie,I’m 40 years old now so I don’t have to prove or make myself out to be a hard man etc etc etc, but when I went against those heavyweights and we done stand up I was almost untouchable, I was much fitter then them, I could almost always frustrate them and tire them out because I could almost always hit them without them hitting me sometimes they connected me and a lot of times I never got knocked out went down and the few times I got hit down I almost always got straight back up and moving around so I don’t get hit by heavyweight , I could stand and trade blows with the middle weights and even heavyweights I promise you I could take a proper beating from a heavyweight, my coach warned me that trading blows with a heavy weight won’t be good for my health in the long run, but that’s how good I use to be in stand up sparring, I never competed in competitions I just trained 3 - 5 days a week 2 - 3 hours at a time, so now it was time to do ground work, in Vale Tudo we trained in catch wresting, Brazilian jiu- jitsu, judo, Kosen Judo, if I’m leaving anything else out Iim sorry, but only then did I know how weak I am when a 105 kg heavyweight is throwing you around like a rag doll or when a 105 kg or guy is on top of you trying to get yo to submit, is-actually very very very easy for a heavyweight to do. I’ve only know a few smaller guys, lightweight and welterweights to grapple with and submit heavyweights and only weighing 63 kgs Shawn Harris from martial way fighting arts Vale Tudo is one of the best grapplers I personally know. So basically what I am actually saying is no matter how good you are or think you are in karate or kick boxing or Thai boxing or even boxing if you think you can mess with and pick on a smaller guy who is let’s just say only half good at grappling like in Judo or Jiu-jitsu or free style wrestling, you will get your ass handed to you.

[@chickenrice3843]

Judo: Italian food. Jiujitsu: Pizza

[@miritanahaira5672]

I don’t agree with being 35 an over that you can’t learn judo- you can learn a lot in the swimming pool an not injure nothing, there’s always a way for everyone to learn judo, I mean yeah somebody 35 an over carrying injury’s is going to find anything hard on a Mat getting thrown about on something hard- learn most moves in the swimming pool there’s always ways to manoeuvre round stuff if your old an stiff, it’s about being supple judo is the best to learn cause you use your opponents momentum to reverse the move so you are on top with weight heavy an they now have to play catch up

[@Supermomo2007]

Started judo with 36

[@pvlapa]

Putting aside the argument that BJJ is just unrestricted Judo. What most people miss is that it's pretty much the same except the environment in the gym. Judo has a lot of formalities, while my BJJ group is like a hippie yoga class. A lot of what you do on your feet translates to what you do on the ground. Just look at the entire DDS instructionals. Full of judo terms because those are judo principles. Personally, what's difficult to do at an old age is wrestle. My knees would rather I just do a throw than change levels, explode, and shoot.

[@memysurname7521]

You can apply judo terms to Wrestling instructionals also, it means nothing. BJJ is a form of wrestling born out of the mix of judo with CACC and Graeco, and later Folk with Rolls training with Bob Anderson. And more importantly, BJJ is fundamentally different from Judo for you wrestle to acquire the Mount and Back Mount, instead of wrestling to immobilize your opponent in positions like Side Control but not the Back Mount. Fundamentally different forms of wrestling, and huge influence of western wrestling.

[@georges4061]

I did martial arts all my youth and recently at 34 decided to learn judo. If I wasn't as fit, strong and Mobil as I am I would be screwed. Luckily I've been competing in strongman for the last 6 years so my body is durable.

[@daebak7370]

Did you feel beaten up after every class taking those hard falls?

[@AlexanderPews]

I dont know if its just me.. but I always felt bjj guys was more arrogant (some not all), while Judo guys were more friendlier and happier, I dont know why but I always saw bjj masters mocking their students

[@bachconneshon7809]

It's true bro. The BJJ fanbase is worse than the boxing fanbase. Me and my brother do MMA at American kickboxing academy and we do not partake in the jiu-jitsu classes there we do judo instead and they always have mad shit to say

[@iandavies6575]

There are many top Judoka well into their late 20s and 30s

[@user-dz4ty5tj7q]

BJJ need better rules where it is not allowed to butt scoot or guard pull. Throwing should be a majore part of BJJ but almodt everyone just wants to go on the ground as quickly as possible. All fights start standing.

[@alexanderkolosoff9977]

100% right

[@amanrob]

I've done almost every type of grappling you could do in the US, with the exception of catch wrestling. I'm a BJJ black belt and an Ikkyu in Judo. The problem with judo is that the art is contracting and becoming less well-rounded as it once was. Way too many dojos teach only for sport and they go along with the rules when they're updated (leg grabs being the most obvious). Cutting things out has hurt the art and made it too one-dimensional. Kosen Judo, at least to me, is a more purer form. Additionally, BJJ tends to attract people more because of the style of teaching. BJJ classes tend to be more relaxed, while all judo training I've ever done has been rigid and formal.

[@Cander617]

Heyy this is cool Jimmy's father lives a few houses down from me hes a really cool guy!

[@ES-fg3sm]

I agree 100% with Jimmy Pedro .

[@MrCeo1978buddy]

I love practicing judo and bjj

[@data9594]

I’m exclusively doing Judo until I get my black belt and then some

[@MrCeo1978buddy]

@@data9594 I got into it because of my son great time to learn and bond with each other

[@data9594]

@@MrCeo1978buddy thats awesome i wish i had a dad like that growing up. Good on you

[@MrCeo1978buddy]

@@data9594 thank you sir

[@Sx-xy2zi]

It's a shame there isn't a good recreational adult program for judo because I wanna know it

[@patrickheath5011]

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu IS Judo. Everything in BJJ was taught to us in Judo while I was in high school (chokes, armbars, guard position) We just wasted a lot of time on throws. In tournaments matches I was in were stopped if the opponent managed a guard or half guard. BJJ just uses the parts of the judo ground game that actually work and threw in wrestling's double leg for takedowns. BJJ can call itself whatever it wants, but it's not Jiu Jitsu. It's Judo.

[@VirgoBirrane]

Jimmy is the man!

[@ianmaddocks3551]

Randori is the building block of Judo

[@Eseibio__]

I quite judo because of the ran dori.

[@samschoenberg1281]

I think the one point Jimmy missed is that adults tend to have a strong/large ego. In which case they will come in to win rather that to learn. Which will result in torn acls and broken bodies.

[@oleh5109]

In BJJ you are allowed to do things that are forbidden in judo like leg grips (beside double leg, single-leg, and so on, there is a lot of cool judo stuff from the days when leg grips were allowed), standing back takes, and pulling guard (though I am not a fan of, you cannot be thrown if you are already on the ground), so in terms of general versatility, I would go with BJJ. Besides, after judoka performs a takedown on a BJJ guy, he is entering BJJ territory.

[@iorekby]

If that were true every BJJ guy who ever fought a Judoka would slaughter them on the ground but history shows us that doesn't always happen. Stop drinking the BJJ flavoured kool aid.

[@zakstephenson4545]

The idea of judo is to not just take them down to the ground but actually slam them with force. The idea is that once u slam someone on the pavement the fight is pretty much over regardless of the enemies bjj knowledge. Also most of the BJJ takedowns just transition straight into mount, half mount etc whereas a well executed judo throw will often leave you on your feet with control of either an arm or the head/neck making ground and pound type strikes very easy to follow up with.

[@oleh5109]

@@iorekby things I wrote don't mean that. Technics are tools, a practitioner is a craftsman.

[@oleh5109]

@@zakstephenson4545 you don't have control over your opponent if you didn't establish mount or side control, he will simply escape or retain guard. Judo talks about controlling an opponent while standing a lot but doesn't give much shit about ground control. You can end a fight with one throw, but what if not? Your throw failed, your back was taken when you turned around during throw etc., what's next? You cannot rely on the 100% effectiveness of one technic, neglecting possible followups.

[@rns7426]

Nothing wrong with BJJ. It’s better for some people. Judo is very technically hard but very efficient once you get it. It also requires a lot more athleticism. However, in most BJJ curriculums you learn 95% or more newaza and 5% or less take downs. BJJ has that “butt scoot sorcery” they use judo techniques, which is their origin and base, and refine them for extended ground grappling. But you aren’t going to be even a mediocre stand up grappler with a BJJ curriculum. With Judo you can learn to be a very good take down guy, good wrestling, and still be very competent on the ground. I consider that a very good base for self defense. You don’t necessarily need to be a “Butt Scoot Sorcerer” unless that’s what you are aiming to be. Nothing wrong with what you have access to or like. But understand the different attributes of each art and what they can bring you.

[@ianyoung8392]

He describes BJJ like it's a frathouse XoD

[@MrNickW123]

His school is not far from me

[@djharto4917]

I have 3 years of judo and recently started bjj about 4 months. I enjoy both but judo is far more realistic in a real world situation in my humble opinion. Recent sparring in bjj I managed to throw my opponent twice, we then went to the ground where the clock finished with neither of us submitting. My opponent high fived me and said stalemate. I just scored 2 ippons! Bjj is great but…….

[@DanT288]

I want to try Judo im a purple belt in BJJ

[@JayV98]

Adult fundamentals programs that mix judo and jiu jitsu are perfect.

[@manandbikeadv]

But, Judo is the gentle way lol