BJP, Modi, supporters and dissent: A discussion on caste, politics, Hindutva, tradition and more

In this conversation, OpIndia and UpWord collaborate to bring a scintillating conversation about the varied opinions on the Dharmic spectrum. The conversation touches upon difficult and sensitive subjects like caste, jati, worshipping politicians and political parties, BJP supporters self-censoring, tradition vs science, and more.
Watch this discussion as Rahul Roushan, Ashish Dhar, Anand Ranganathan, and Nupur J Sharma agree, disagree, and vow to continue the discussion.
00:00:00 - Intro
00:00:47 - Why this conversation?
00:07:22 - Bigotry accusations on Anand
00:18:25 - Is Anand a Congress stooge?
00:25:32 - What does it mean to be a Modi supporter today?
00:31:44 - Political views evolve
00:38:42 - Censorship & cancel culture
00:51:56 - Hindu unity
00:53:06 - Caste politics
01:00:16 - Birth-based caste and Hindu society
01:12:55 - Science, Philosophy, and Hindu culture
01:30:13 - Inter-caste marriage
01:46:38 - Hindu tradition, justice and equality
01:53:02 - The narrative of caste atrocities
02:15:07 - Non-negotiables for Hindus

[@sharmilakalain7549]

Wonderful conversation. Definitely the star of the show is Ashish. Loved what he was saying about democracy.

[@darkprince2490]

Ya, so western democracy is quite different than ancient Janapada form of "governance". The latter was imbued with pursuit of dharma (anyone can become the raja or servicer of dharma, this is seen even in MBH where the king renounces rulership for incapable sons ) while the former is an extortionist system where all subjects are bidden to "buy in" or become "stakeholders" in the colonial system. All citizens thus become colonial agents or partisan in the western democratic system. The western democratic system has always been in service of oligarchy as seen by the bicameral nature of Western parliaments. In bharata, there was no moral interference or enforced conformity in practice of dharma whether by raja or janapada. Moral interference is the province of the church preacher and the ummah's mullah, with the democratic citizen being a pale copy of Wesley's citizen preacher. Typologically the western citizen follows the example of the church elector

[@cokedupnormies2651]

Facts 🔥🔥

[@reconquistahinduism346]

​@@darkprince2490that is not what the Hindutva fascist Ashish Dhar is saying. He is openly advocating Hindutva upper caste hegemony and relegating lower castes to nothing. People like him CANNOT dictate tradition and have no monopoly over so called tradition. Only a tiny fringe thinks that other communities do not deserve the same equality , liberty and fraternity as them. These people are a fringe block. With them as think tanks , Bjp would never cross 100 seats. It's good that MODI does not listen to them

[@darkprince2490]

No, Ashish is doing no such thing. Ashish is saying that most of the "debate" around "caste" is a red herring or besides-the-point. There were no such things as jobs or professions in ancient societies in general. Therefore, the default was to continue the familial line of work whatever that was. There is also a colonial fallacy whereby functional terms like brahmin and kshatriya and vaishya are falsely characterized as essentialist terms in a colonial setting. these terms referred to the performance of duties irrespective of how one came to acquire them. That is precisely why in the Srimad Bhagvad Gita discusses gunas and karma as determinants of varna. On the same note, teaching of recitation of vedas was only *relevant* to brahmins who performed this service for everyone. it was not that others were being "excluded" but rather that teaching the recitation of veda was only relevant to brahmins. Brahmins were always integrated into other varnas and also they were not rulers. Which red blooded hindustani vaishya will abandon his fields, which kshatriya will abandon the rannbhoomi, which brahmin will abandon veda. You are using 19th c opportunist colonial collaborator "job seeker" mentality of trying to fit into various colonial outfits to try to understand historical hindu mindset of heroism, karma, dharma and kartavaa. Sudra referred to shilpis (temple builders) and devadasis (dancers) both associated with pastimes of the Deity in temples. The term was also used for egoists in certain texts eg buddhist - it does not refer to actual communities in these cases. I am even against describing varna as "profession" for that is a vast and misleading understatement of its profundity for ancient hindus. No matter what an ancient bharata did for their livelihood, in their hearts they were kshatriyas - that is why the epics have their resonance in this land. Ancient bharata was a free society with no slavery or colonialism. Using terms/concepts from western colonial societies for Bharata is disingenuous and also colonially motivated to facilitate conversion = making traitors. Do you realize the caste parties are modeled after muslim league? Are you saying that muslim league politics was prevalent in ancient bharata? Address the issue of how colonial/oligarghic caste/race interpretations have been imposed on bharatiya varna/jati/sampraday/gotra/kul/gotra/akhada etc or else see things get even worse in the future. Modi or no Modi. Stop being gandhian and just taking all the abuse. most of these caste theories derive from AIT a false history for bharata. There is nothing fringe about "these people". We are not talking about every tom dick harry "job" in the current age. Ashish himself is an engineer, if not mistaken. Whichever influencer/opportunist you're getting your info from is misleading you.

[@reconquistahinduism346]

@@darkprince2490 I know Ashish is an engineer and we also know that there were many doctors , engineers and scientists in Hitler's fascist Nazi army. What Ashish and these fringe people are advocating is precisely that. Ashish clearly says Brahmins are superior , caste or varna is Birth based to benefit only select few while relegating 85% others to margins. Tradition is NOT what one entitled male Brahmin forces others to do . If the so called tradition is based on irrational and unscientific ideas like Varna , Jaati etc it should be abolished. That is the only true way towards liberty, justice , equality. Fraternity comes with freedom of choice not forced diversity by upper caste. There is nothing that a Brahmin can do which a dalit cannot do. Everyone has right to pleasure , leisure and resources. And it gives me immense hope and pleasure because 80% of even upper caste and upper class believe in the ideals of the constitution like equality and justice for all and not fascist and supremacist and backward ideas of these fringe rogues who are entitled and privileged upper castes. Only 20% of upper castes believe in backwardness, regressive ideas like varna , minority hate , caste supremacy. I am a Brahmin by birth but not by ideas or ideals. I am an Indian first and a Hindu last. Stop thinking that India was the greatest and most peaceful place. We did have conflicts , wars , oppressions, discriminations etc. I agree it was lesser than middle eastern or European civilizations , but they existed nonetheless. We cannot bring them back. Vast majority of Hindus are forward looking , not backward looking. If this mean being western or Christian , so be it. We do not care. The 85% Hindus who consist of SC , ST and OBC will never agree to your ideas. You guys will remain a fringe forever.

[@Tommy_lascelles]

Brilliant just Brilliant… 👏🏻👏🏻 Ashish always invokes pandora’s box in my mind. Really Enjoyed Ranga - Ashish convo and was betting for Ashish. Just One request please !! don’t curb Ashish from speaking out coz he’s the only voice in this panel which advocates tradition n values. it’s like 2 : 1 for him. Also sometimes Ranga Sir sounds a bit condescending, please avoid it Ranga Sir !

[@SusheelKumarRavinuthala]

Exactly!

[@kavijos5846]

Three areas of focus for BJP: continue to use government programs to better the lives of Hindus; (2) promote and propagate policies that benefit the Hindus; and (3) regardless of ideological differences, get RSS alignment with the party. If they do these three things and ferociously attack the left with all the ammunition at their disposal, there is a hope and one can see the nation moving towards realizing its Bharatiya Consciousness

[@KasDlonewolf]

I was also an atheist and absurdist like Mr. Ranganathan (props to his great sense of humor) . Lack of spiritual intelligence leads to a limited understanding of the grand scheme of things. Why did a Darwinian Biologist comment on demonetisation, given there's no credibility for such an individual in the field of economics? To all those in his shoes, please embark on Sadhana. Shri Rajarshi Nandy has done wonderful civilizational contribution in this regard. Ashish Dhar ji's honest representation of pashu bali is a testament to loyalty, rationality and collaboration in tradition. His arguments in and around consciousness were absolutely stellar. Props to Nupurji 's spiritual temperament and intelligence. Though her behaviours are not rooted in biological science, they are rooted in behavioural science. Dr. Viktor Frankl himself sides with a religious meaning to life in his book Man's Search for Meaning. Jai Bhairav baba 🙏🏻

[@parakramdivya6949]

Hard agree. Only practicing hinduism is going to save us.

[@parakramdivya6949]

There are and have been many scholars who have brought the believer's lens to understand the world Ashish ji is one, on the past there have been many greats AK Coomarswamy, SN Balgangadhar to name a few also only people with time to waste us included indulge in this intellectualbaazi best way is to work for your community, raise your kids etc.

[@AnAn___]

If Anand Ranganathan had Samaadhi--would all your concerns be alleyed?

[@parakramdivya6949]

@@AnAn___ kehna kya chah rahe ho.gif

[@AnAn___]

@@parakramdivya6949 Pratyaksha is the primary and most important pramaana. May Anand Ranganathan see sathya as it is, without filters, lenses, colors and blemishes. May many have samaadhi. Beyond all thoughts and concepts. Beyond all descriptions, forms and feelings.

[@nn11067]

I am ready to watch 24 hr podcast with such a wonderful panel !❤❤ Eagerly waiting for next one ❤❤

[@parakramdivya6949]

Do share and recommend it to others ap they are encouraged to make more such content.

[@nn11067]

@@parakramdivya6949 👍

[@rohaansahu2924]

Please try to bring more of such discussions. These are extremely good at hooking people in, in my opinion. Make this a show instead of just a casual discussion done years apart. Atleast do 1 or 2 a year

[@CRuS4D3R88]

Ashish is well read and he is willing to accept some atrocities which are real . His only point is everything is not because of caste. That is the right way to go. Empathise with the atrocities which are real and question the fake narrative. What r the short medium and long term target for hindus, what is our academic literature(like post modernism, Marxism etc etc. Our sampraday, darshanas and shastrat offer but we need a coherent common minimum programme ) / we should have an incentive for being hindu in our action plan for every jati, varna, caste and other groups (like reservation). Laws against conversion and jihad are needed. It is a long road ahead

[@darkprince2490]

Ya, well, SC, ST, GC are quite literally colonial categories reflecting the 19th century brit beurecratic understanding of bharata.. eg division into "castes" and "tribes". It really has nothing to do with traditional bharata. It has been shown over and over again. There was no brahmin or ksatriya camaraderie or nexuses. Associations along these lines date only to the brit colonial period as a stop gap measure due to colonial gutting of gurukulas. Brahmin kshatria vaishya etc are not even properly called as identities, rather they are sets of duties. Identity politics only arose with monotheism.

I like your pragmatic and realistic approach !

[@kiranhawaldar420]

It is great open minded discussion and all four of you represent true Hindu style of thought process . I am so proud of our Hindu culture / mindset that allows us to discuss all complex issues with open mind without any prejudice . I 100% agree with Dr. Anand Ranganathan’s statement that all displaced Kashmiri Hindus must be resettled in the style of Israeli because no other ways will work . If nothing else that will show the sincerity of nation which is determined to serve justice to its citizens . It is unfortunate that it is still not happening even after one full generation has waited for the justice .

[@BHUPENDRAMONDAL]

Just brilliant, this conversation was not possible 15 years ago.

[@MrPUNJABIKUNAL]

😂

[@srinivasansundararaghavan8433]

Indian idea of justice is closer to Kantian 'categorical imperative'. The west could only make law using utilitarian and liberetarian idea but not kantian because, kantian idea is unique to each buy with his inner moral sense (swa dharma). Since swa dharma varies it can't be codified into law. So the west thought it was not possible to render Kant into law. Indians too knew swa dharma can't be codified into common law so left it to each individual to evolve his sense of dhama according to his station in life and position in life. To get this swa dharma into high degree of refinement, the itihasas created a lot of knotty situations which made people ponder over them and evolve their sense of dharma as itihasas were part of traditional learning of all indians until british education system replaced it.

[@KasDlonewolf]

Wonderful comparison, you're spot on! Jai Bhairav baba 🙏🏻

[@darkprince2490]

So you have very little idea of what the categorical imperative actually is. It is a totalitarian statement that the personal morality (eg of the west) is equivalent to universal morality. It basically allows for the construction of propagandistic concepts like "human rights" which enable western interference and colonialism. It sought to neutralize nascent Buddhist influence in Europe among some enlightmennt thinkers who "went natjve". And it maps out as a secularization of Christian universalism. Swadharma and indeed dharma has nothing to do with this western propaganda system of categorical ethics.

[@darkprince2490]

So you have very little idea of what the categorical imperative actually is. It is a totalitarian statement that me personal morality (eg of the west) is equivalent to universal morality. It basically allows for the construction of propagandistic concepts like human rights which enable western interference and colonialism. It sought to neutralize nascent Buddhist influence in Europe among some enlightmennt thinkers who "went natjve". And it maps out as a secularization of Christian universalism. Swadharma and indeed dharma has nothing to do with this western propaganda system of categorical ethics. Also much other misunderstandings in your comment..

[@darkprince2490]

categorical imperative is something different. It is a totalitarian statement that personal morality (eg of the west) is equivalent to universal morality. It basically allows for the construction of propagandistic concepts like human rights which enable western interference and colonialism. It sought to neutralize nascent Buddhist influence in Europe among some enlightenment thinkers who somewhat "went native". And it maps out as a secularization of Christian universalism. Swadharma and indeed dharma has nothing to do with this western propaganda system of deontologic ethics.

[@adityawaghmale8436]

Please do next part of this discussion because this topic really needs to be addressed with more depth.

[@wfhutcjo59975gidajl]

Jai Sai Deepak ko bhi lana chahiye tha na iss debate mei. Sab chupp ho jaate fir.

[@KudgyalibyVijayGaur]

Very good conversation team. Well debated. Real Vaad! Let us take it further. This series will be very informative for all the Hindus.

[@veenadhar8665]

Brilliant great discussion keep it up Ashu beta 👍👍👍🙌🙌❤

[@user-en7qb5mw1k]

The end part of discussion on caste is a must have amongst these individuals, based on facts and data

[@blessme-ng9gu]

Whatever we see b4 us . . . is finally de result of Divine Dispensation. He has sacrificed everything & left home at 16 in a determined search of Truth , Goodwill for love of his motherland that was not Concretised in his mind then. His unique qualities of an Achiever, thru sheer selfless hard work, productivity, by endless austerities, penance with his virtues of strength determination, love for Nation has finally proved himself as true to de core. India , Bharat varsha her people her children must 1st go back inwards in her search for her own true identity & roots, b4 she forges ahead to greater goals globally.❤

[@beingbhagwa]

Brilliant range of topics 🙏🚩

[@AllAboutDHH]

Wanted to listen more of Ashish on how he justifies caste based on birth but Ranga sir jumped in will all the segue talks of only conundrum left is of suicide. Looking forward to more of Ashish’s presence on media to know diverse views. Also props to Rahul the way he interjects and asks questions is the same way with those questions that goes within my mind.

[@shubhamkumar-nw1ui]

Because he is casteist.

[@crazyman-mq3ru]

​@@shubhamkumar-nw1uisc st are more casteist

[@saurav3719]

​@@crazyman-mq3ru and sita is international run d

[@yadukishore502]

If you practice sanatana Dharma then you will have to accept the foundational principals of karma, punarjanma. Based on your own purva janma karmas your jati in the next birth is decided. So if you are born in a particlar jati, it is because of your own karma phala. Key is acceptance of your karma and purva janma siddhanta. However that being said, discrimination based on jati is totally wrong. Again here acceptance is the key, i.e he is born in so & so jati due to his karma phala and I am born in so and so jati due to my karma, so no big deal we accept each other and we are all hindus and move on and do enough good karma and sadhana to rise higher . Non acceptance of this basic foundational principals (or rather the truth IMO ) leads to both discrimination and reverse discrimination

[@Vishal-]

1:32:32 ours was the only culture to ‘prohibit’ same ‘gotr’ (paternal lineage) marrying in the same ‘genetic pool’

[@darkpanda239]

We need another conversation with just Rahul Roshan and Ashish with nupur moderating. Anand barely contributed anything meaningful, rather only detracted. If it's supposed to be raita and trad discussion, Rahul and Ashish are perfect for it. 1 more episodes of this please!

[@RadiantFractal]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep this discussion going. It is one of the BEST content I have seen. But in 2.5 hours, even the surface couldn't be scratched. Four intellectual powerhouses, who have differing opinions about many things, skillfully articulating their views, citing not just the political and historical facts but also philosophy and evolutionary biology! Such discussions the Sanatan nation BADLY needs.

[@28561046]

Fabulous discussion. Need more of this. Its a Sagar Mathan.

[@yadukishore502]

Eagerly waiting for Part 2 ! We need these kind of high quality discussions. Greatly admire Ashish for his based stand .Lage raho sir

[@shrutimishra252]

Please make this a series. Much needed for today's generation🙏

[@srinivasansundararaghavan8433]

Stanza 11 of Atma bodha of Adhi Shankara ( I am going by Ramana Maharishi's Tamil translation rendered into english) Various are the Upadhis (stains, colouring) that give rise doctrines of Kulam (descendence) asramam (station in life) like taste and colour in pure water arising due to mixing. But this very idea of mixing and stain and colour are themselves figments of imaginations in ignorance. One can go on quoting 100s of such scriptures. This is the core and essence. To quote Jathi, varna, biological identity as the prime identity is absolute ignorance on which Ashish constructs his narrative like an ignorantly imagined fort on a cloud.

[@shivranjansingh7697]

It seems like you are juvenile in your understanding of Advaita or Adi Shankaracharya. At the Ontological/ Paramarthic level, 'Brahman' alone exists and there is no such separate things like Jagat (world), Jeeva (individual beings) and Ishwara. However all these things make sense at the empirical/ vyavharik level including Jati, Varna, Ashrama, Kula, Sampradayas etc. Until and unless you are Brahma- Jnani, these difference of the world should be harnessed in accordance with the Shastras to reach the goal of Non- duality. So, you should read in depth the works of Adi Shankaracharya, especially the Prashtana- trayi or the Brahmasutras, where he had expounded in detail on these topics.

[@uglyindianscammer]

Anyone done kundalini cakra awakening stuff?

[@srinivasansundararaghavan8433]

@@shivranjansingh7697 Paramartika is eternal & also here & now. Vyavharika is only in the point of view of ignorance & ceases when ignorance ceases. Mirage is a better ex. Even when non existence of water is grasped, the image of water continues. But when ignorance in perception of water is pointed out, the wise one does not hold on to vyavharika water & go about asserting value in recognising it. Vyavharika is for the ignorant who is attached to the idea of water in mirage & sees meaning in the water in mirage. Your branding me as juvenile etc is not needed in a civil debate !

[@Nair_]

Someone who has an ear to Dr Anand Ranganathan , please tell him , that - "If things did not matter, Entropy does not matter. If entropy does not matter, then there would be a split second from Big Bang to nothingness. He has a tendency to be in a scientific bubble and unfortunately babble. In his own scientific language, if you were to use the thermodynamic laws itself, then we would know that many principles , considered inviolable like the 3 laws of thermodynamics, does not matter per his statement, and inviolably will result in catastrophic termination of cellular life itself." Please share my quote with him, a scientist like himself will need to recognize that he will need to go from plain old fashioned reasoning to Information theory, entropy and a physicists outlook as well. He will understand that biology exists at the trifecta of physics and chemistry. European Philosophy is just part time buggery, unless you are talking of heavyweights like Nietzsche, who themself were influenced significantly from the "Oriental schools" and "indic philosophies". Give him a quote from the Paul Dirac - "God is a mathematician of a very high order and He used advanced mathematics in constructing the universe." RETVRN

[@shubhamkumar-nw1ui]

Nietzsche was influenced by india thought 😂 Enough joke for today. It was Schopenhauer who was influenced by Indic thought... but in the Indic thought Nietzsche would definitely be a Asura intellectual

[@Nair_]

@@shubhamkumar-nw1ui You have consistently missed the point as usual. You will now bend over and do a doctorate in shaggy European philosophies.

[@user-cq3ls2mo2z]

Anand sir, is bounded by what he thinks is science, but science is all about unknown-unknowns. There is much more to science than class 12 science text book

[@shubhamkumar-nw1ui]

@@user-cq3ls2mo2z caste can only be strong when nation is weak...we always had strong castes but weak nation... that is why we always got colonised

[@darkprince2490]

​@@shubhamkumar-nw1ui bhai where are you getting your info from. colonisation happens via 2 parts - 1st) atomize the population, and remove all other "competing" centers of organization including family, native rulers, etc; and 2nd) reintegrate the displaced and dispossessed individuals into colonial organizations. this happened with rome where christians set up parallel administrations. this happened in bharata where mughals set up a collaborationist reward system called mansabdari. destroying whatever organization we have left will not bring us success. instead we will all get stranded isolated then preyed on one-by-one. the types who advance these types of arguments are bad faith "advisors", they work as disinformationists. the levels of organization we have in dharma are synergistic - they build on each other. whenever someone says you must choose "either-or".. they are usually spreading disinfo.

[@PavanKrishnapur]

What an amazing discussion. Please conduct more of such deep conversations. Helps identifying the core issues to deal with.

[@nsdlepan-gn9dw]

Nice discussion...I read comments but no one said anything about cow slaughtering.we can't sacrifice eating one animal which we call mother then what kind of unity we r talking about..beef Eater can't be hindu according to me in india..if someone eat beef means, that man can sell his mother for money...

[@XYZ-ui1gx]

👍 totally opposite of Rahul Roshan ideology...but he always talk to the point and nicely explanation

[@brijeshchandrakar]

Was eagerly waiting for this. Ashish's mere presence will give burns to beef eating melacchas like AIM, Charvaka nastik Chewtiyas, Raytas

[@parakramdivya6949]

Hindus are at a crossroad if they go with carvaka, ambedkarwad, modernity then they are finished if they chose Ashish bhaiya's path victory and vitality awaits.

[@parakramdivya6949]

It all depends on what kind of person you are Sai and Ananda are good friends despite different ideologies but people like AIM are cun*s kushal is chewtiya.

[@AS_7419]

You mean kushal and his cabal? Which includes smita prakash as well? 😂

[@parakramdivya6949]

@@AS_7419 smita has changed her colors because party is propping her up dont be surprised if she flips if congress comes to power also there is nothing wrong in being friends while having disagreements Sai and Ananda are good examples AIM and kushal are cun*s with no skin in the game.

[@parakramdivya6949]

@@brijeshchandrakar better strategy would be to not focus on kushal he barely gets 3-4k views but the ideas he represents should be fought.

[@vinaybv01]

In Hinduism, there are three planes of knowledge. Adhibhutha, adhidaiva and adhyatma. Western science and philosophy fail in Adhyatma. We keep mixing these planes and hence end making incompatible comparisons between implications of western thought and traditions. I wish Ashish had also used this to counter Ranga sir. Having said that, I loved this debate and wish it can be done without a political overtone.

[@cokedupnormies2651]

I cant wait for part 2!

[@Sury363]

Ranga very well explained about caste politics. Shocking we Hindu's are again and again being fooled by our caste politics played by few ignorant dumbs. Now Rajputs are going to see slavery under minority muslim, we hindu's are majority only when we think as Hindu's and every caste will always just divide our unity and become slaves under Khangress. Shame we haven't learnt anything for centuries under mughals or British, we are butchered.

[@user-kd7pm4qc3j]

It's bjp who is doing caste politics, what stopped bjp from kicking rupala and Ranjit chautala out ? Hisaab chukta kon krta h ?

[@shubhamdubey9561]

Give me dotter gang we don't believe in your reformed hinduism

[@shounakchoudhury]

Brilliant. 🤌 Loved it. ❤ Please reunite for further discussions. 😊🙏🏾

[@ssr1697]

Super show ... feeling better ☺️

[@avis7406]

It would have been more wonderful if Rajiv Malhotra was also a participant in this conversation.

[@CrookedKnight-xl4nn]

Wow! This was a great conversation. I think Ashish Dhar was really calm and rational in his arguments. I am saying this as a person of science myself although I also think Sanātana Dharma has no conflict with science because it also gave birth to modern concept of scientific enquiry through its pratyaksha-pramana-anumana-arthaptti-upamana. Anand had good points but the emic and etic got him as well. Hope we have this discussion again and meantime Anand has a lot of homework to do.

[@user-ghds4df]

Since 2014, modi or shah have not visited a single kashmir pandit refugeee camp or their families. Modi goes to kashmir and says islamic culture is flourishing.

[@enroute_spirituality]

Rahul should have been given more uninterrupted time. Also the role of the host should not be to put his / her opinion over the panel else it will be same as Arnab's news room. Just my opinion. Overall good discussion and topics covered are good too. Enjoyed it!

[@booksquotes948]

Nupur is queen. 🎉🎉🎉

[@19hbytuy]

This conversation was the BEST amongst whatever ANI n Iyer side were coming up with

[@abhinavkumaranshu6269]

Great initiative to bring upword & oplindia in same frame ❤

[@hawkeyes5703]

Informative discussion ❤

[@Whatever1b]

someone should ask Dhar who is shying away from using the word caste discrimination what was the reason for not allowing certain communities from entering temples for centuries !

[@darkprince2490]

@@Whatever1b put in an effort to do your own research.

[@drhulk3911]

This is what itches all ambedkarites 😅 that Ashish does not talk on their terms. I am sure that he does not support discrimination on caste basis

[@Whatever1b]

@@drhulk3911 dont be too sure of that! The guy has equated inter varna marriage to beastiality! The bigot of the worst kind!

[@saurav3719]

​@@drhulk3911sita is still an international run d

[@nikhiltiwari6923]

Create an area of Hindus in this country. Shivaji started from a fort. We need our fort.

[@yashaswinigargav7732]

How can they end the discussion on a turning point 😂😂😂 I mean ....I can't wait for the second part

[@manish0202]

Great Discussion, Keep it up !👍

[@Rajarshi_X]

As an atheist turned tantropasaka, I find it pointless to attempt to convince an atheist about validity of Dharma. The simple reason is, Dharma is based on practice. What you believe and think doesn't really matter, what matters is what you do. What is your sadhana.

[@MaheshJagannathHebbalalu]

Amazing discussion. Thanks for bringing the traditional point of view. Many of the Right wing Hindu supporters who want to annihilate caste fail to understand the point of view of Traditions. Regarding Pashubali, Sankhya karika (Text part of Sankhya darshana) of Ishwara Krishna says -Pashubali may earn you other greater lokas such as Swarga, but since there is a paapa committed of killing an animal, the Purusha/Atma will experience some discomforts in swarga as well. Our texts never were against Pashubali!

[@anirudhpratapsingh5433]

Wonderful. Waiting for the continuation of this series

[@tinasm7424]

Great discussion!!

[@satyaji6883]

Love debates, they are full of knowledge. Watching them is a process of learning.

[@shubhamsgupta6909]

Rwing supporters would be served well if they ask questions on the implementation of their agendas instead of blindly supporting Xyz politician. The fulfillment of promises more important than merely electing a fav party/politician.10 yrs passed without any action on core issues listed by A ranganathan without which civilizational resurgence will not occur

[@jayanthikeshav8224]

Very interesting conversation, we need more of such conversations, we learn so much

[@shantanuthakur6932]

Do the next podcast soon , please. It was great conservation best podcast ✨⭐🌟

[@swapnilghosh]

What a magnificent discussion!! This should be made into a multi-episode series! Kudos to OpIndia!!

[@vaidehilokare8897]

When Ranga says - in the beginning ‘that CHANCE ‘ brought about the first living cell.. & so on… the believers say it was the ‘god’ ‘brahma’ - ‘s doing. Not just a chance.

[@user-jb4yq5rb2r]

Ashish dhar has tremendous understanding ..Anand ana rahul probably never understand ashish

[@Vaibhav_senger]

It's awesome to see that some real genuine intellectual individuals are there to talk about real issues without being biased and talking not only agenda driven like every other media outlets and politicians who only care viewership and vote bank,❤

[@FIRETIGER49]

So happy to see more videos from OpIndia, ….and where the hell is Nitin Rivaldo!

[@vaidehilokare8897]

Real hard slap by you Nupur on Ranga. Thanks.

[@vaidehilokare8897]

At 1hour 16 minutes.

[@nsdlepan-gn9dw]

On caste issues plz don't consider big urban area but in other place general caste do discriminate..I faced caste discrimination at school ,at friends home ..and even in convent school 😂😂...but I see many many positive sign also and it keeps getting diluting.

[@shrutimishra252]

Great discussion 👏

[@drprashantbhatnagar6056]

Even amongst s/c and s/t castes intercaste marriages is a big NO NO. My servant wanted to marry a beautiful girl from safai wala class. He had to face a life threat

[@rakshithyadav3967]

The most important part was last 30-40 mins. Please do start with it next time.

[@PavanKrishnapur]

Non negotiables for hindus should be formed by bringing in together the heads of various sampradayas. We cannot decide that for all with our limited knowledge.

[@EternalOutsider_1988]

Great discussion- would definitely like to hear more.

[@jinks3669]

This right here, ladies and gentlemen is the reason why I pay my internet bills .

[@kannan921]

1:46:10 just felt the interruption was unnecessary. They should have let the discussion between Ashish Dhar and Anand Ranganathan continue.

[@praveenreddy9312]

Thanks

[@Bombastic_King]

Lots Of Love 💕 You Guys!

[@rajbunsha8834]

Great conversation

[@shubhamkumar-nw1ui]

So glad to hear Anand Ranganathan , you were the best to keep check of the overjoyous trads

[@blessme-ng9gu]

Even if "Jaati Varnam " is tried to be annihilated, or somewhat removed : yet to me, it will always exist & remain our there, bcoz it is actually the individuals Sanskars prevailing 4 change & Evolve ever since from many past births. . . It is truely According to one's traits & tendencies, ones temperament, mindset, ones very Nature - Svabhaav, ones, attitude, capacity, calibre, ideology, . . . .one becomes an idealist, or of an intellectual inclined, a pragmatist, or of One possessing only a practical outlook of a Vaishya bizness bepari class , banya class, progressive advanced.

[@biswajeet9826]

We need a high per capita income country to play hindutva politics at large Maybe around 8k dollars

[@drprashantbhatnagar6056]

Excellent discussion. I fully agree with Ashish that atrocities on lower castes is blown out of proportion by some vested interests

[@BHUPENDRAMONDAL]

The success of Modi is that, who disagree with him still want to vote for him.

[@ananthan8951]

That really is no positive preference at all but the hapless imperative to prevent the dreadful opposition gaining even greater dominance.

[@Theabyss456]

Not really, it's just people don't have other options

[@tejug1161]

Because there is no other alternative.

[@biswajeet9826]

Okay I've a thought here We need more hindutva parties as competition shall rise

[@kiranhawaldar420]

Thanks!

[@realityviewreview]

we need part 2 asap

[@vijay-1]

Insightful

[@cokedupnormies2651]

2:00:50 saara conversation kichad kar diya Nupur ne thoda sa (what about Dalit people who don't narry their daughters to Brahmin boys?) aur phir Anand ne pata nahi kaha se law laane ka. He only uses law when law is convenient to his beliefs and western philosophy when it is not. That is his shortcoming.

[@glmht]

Wow, finally they are together and it makes perfect raita ❤. I would like to say that Nupur ji is not a good moderator. I think Anand ji himself should be the moderator going forward.

[@sudarshanpathak1063]

Rahul Roshan and Anand Ranganathan are the living archetypes of what is wrong with the intellectually arrogant Adharmik Shaastra-hating Right Wing. Thank the Deities for practicing Sanatani Hindus like Nupur Sharma and Ashish Dhar.

[@Ds-oj5py]

Bring more discussions like this & UPWORD needs to make more content in collaboration with other like-minded Channels. People (especially BJP supporters) need to understand that Winning Election is not the Goal, it's mere a Tool to achieve actual goal i.e Revival of Hindu Tradition & Culture & it's Hegemony in India frm Society to Political discourse.

[@charvaka9675]

100 साल पहले गांव में लोग कहते थे निचली जाति को सिर्फ शिखर का दर्शन लेना चाहिए मंदिर में क्यों जाना हैं उन्हे और आशिष कह रहे हैं कि जाती का प्रॉब्लेम ही नहीं था..😅 ...........निरीश्वरवादी हिंदू

[@jatinkumar8713]

If you want to eradicate birth based caste than how can you support birth based reservation ?

[@mantrikaomar913]

🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@worldnews2106]

Sai was must for the debate

[@rakshithyadav3967]

He might be busy with his book.

[@shubhamkumar-nw1ui]

Hindus are still a culture in making . India is still a nation in making . If there were no muslims , we would still be fighting each other . Our coming together as a nation and a "religion" is a defensive idea. That's why we don't still have an idea of what is it to be a hindu .

[@user-jb4yq5rb2r]

Ashish deserved a lot more respect ..And time to respond ..U guys need more patient to listen ashish ..I can listen ashish dhar indefinite time.

[@rudralalupadhyay4089]

Awesome

[@ajaysojitra2441]

Should bring in JSD next time and see how it goes. But wonderful discussion. More should happen.

[@Darkings]

Ranga Sir is a total misfit for this discussion, Nupur is not a great conductor of discussions......Rahul was not allowed to speak and Ashish is the only person who is trying to stay on the topic

[@harmindersinghyadav9171]

Brilliant discussion

[@yashaswinigargav7732]

My god waiting for second session of this

[@patbroad2180]

It’s politically motivated notice to keep caste divide active, petty politicians with no vision for progress or development.

[@ydswathi6846]

👍

[@PavanKrishnapur]

Please bring j sai deepak sir to the discussion.

[@dwightdraper2767]

Ranga Sir cutie 🥰🥰