"BJR5" Raid 5 Speed Nuke Guide w/Baleygr & Janssen (Summoners War)

This team is rising to popularity, and I wanted to do a step by step visual guide on the fundamentals on it, with runes, and explanations.
Credit to Hydrocarbonate and しょーとくGAMES.
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[@dowLoveTap]

"this is gonna be a long video" 25min video "this is gonna be a short video" 23min video

[@joshzie4814]

"this is gonna be a long video" 25 min video "this is gonna be a short video" 58 min video

[@eggyrepublic]

"the monsters need to be squishy" me: it's like I was made for this

[@fortnitegods3046]

Love this channel been watching for 5 years now

[@itsahrims]

just gotta say, i appreciate your hustling on making these videos. I love your content, even though I almost never play any more cause i'm tired of the lack of game improvements, your videos still make me smile.

[@SchizophrenicGamer]

Thanks azerawth, I feel you though on leaving the game for lack of content, and improvements, I agree. They eventually do things, but it's almost always too little too late, consistently.

[@itsahrims]

@@SchizophrenicGamer I just find it frustrating seeing all the big content creators, like yourself, and a majority of the community asking for change, and c2u being so blatantly ignorant to some minor changes that would great improve the quality of the game without hurting their wallets... I guess for me, after playing for 5+ years, no LD nat 5, and unable to keep up in any PVP content because I'm not a whale, is frustrating lol. Anyways, I'll hop off my soapbox Xd keep being awesome. Love your stuff. Also, merch?

[@dragnil4l40]

Why do I get the feeling that the moment i go through the trouble of building this team com2us is going to fuk us up.

[@johnturtle6649]

2021 string master team "we hear you"

[@logand1726]

In the slides you made, loren did not have will runes. She was oblivioned. Therefore she cannot apply defense break. I dunno if you noticed but people need to know that loren has to have will runes

[@SchizophrenicGamer]

I'm not sure what you mean. At 14:00 the slide I made shows loren should be double fight will, and at 14:20 the rune example from the japanese player shows double fight will. I think maybe you mean 17:30. That was a screenshot from Hydrocarbonate runs, but she should be on will runes to prevent oblivion. That's not my loren, that's just screencaps I took from his runs.

[@profanegaming2829]

@@logand1726 And specifically Hydro has some reason for why she isn't on will. He stated why in the SeanB video but I can't remember.

[@foxlery]

@@profanegaming2829 His reason was he was dicking around, he has her on Fight/Fight/Will now

[@aldothelizard6669]

that boss in "win yay" step be like: bruh stop abusing me and my other 2 cephalons

[@DanielKedzierski]

18:55 "its her passive" - Oblivion 2019

[@lovestruck3773]

Will runes

[@DanielKedzierski]

@@lovestruck3773 I see oblivion i dont see immunity.

[@lovestruck3773]

@@DanielKedzierski She SHOULD be on will runes and then fran SHOULD buff immunity so oblivion should never get on her.

[@jeffm2586]

@@DanielKedzierski Someone else's landed.

[@toprankdavid4629]

thats what i said, smh, noob bagel :D

[@danyalnov4448]

Heads up, having Fran below 191 spd includes towers.

[@michaelwhite1403]

I was just waiting for the who should not build this part 😂😂😂😂

[@lordkratos4747]

LOL its literally the same time when i started watching it 4:45am in(my time zone - Poland) i feel you bagel

[@jigokusoul]

omg was just lookin into bae

[@Ripmav]

I love these visual guides.

[@kazz94]

1:40 Bagel: "It's literally 4:45 in the morning" *me watching this at **4:48** in the morning*

[@-Shiro_]

4:45 It's read as "Shootoku" or just "Shotoku" (IDK why exactly she/he use the dash)

[@a_c35]

the - is to extend the sound, so just makes it pronounced differently, much like Loren has it in her name as without it it wouldnt sound like the English name Loren

[@DummyCrosS]

@@a_c35 Basicly, his name is income

[@-Shiro_]

​@@a_c35 Yes, that's what ー do. But is kinda strange to use it in hiragana instead of the character "う" (or "あ"/"え"/"い" if there is no closed vowel before). That's why I say "I don't know why she/he use the dash". She/he may mean: "Shootoku" or "Sho toku"/"Sho-toku"/"Shotoku".

[@-Shiro_]

Also, foreign names are always written in katakana, that's why Loren name is written "ローレン" instead of "ろうれん"

[@coffee4laif264]

Pronounced like "show tock" closest words i can come up with. Give it u (ooh) sound at the end.

[@leifalley7167]

is this guide still accurate over a year later?

[@MultiJellybones]

you're awake till 4AM in the morning? damn bagel that entertainment room is leeching the life out of u

[@SchizophrenicGamer]

I don't get to use it that much, I work a lot on re-recording videos and prepping stuff for new videos. I'm up until sunrise quite a lot, especially when com2us releases new patches at 4am or other things.

[@toprankdavid4629]

Does the atk stat include fight runes or not? because with fight runes i have 2000+ atk but without i have 1400+ atk with 230% CD

[@mayomayoh8397]

しょーとくGAMES is "Show-toe-coo Games" or in romaji shotoku games

[@bradleywelch9290]

the second character is a "yo" and the first "shi" , it should be "shyo" not "show" when u put them together brether. good job.

[@chaoskidify]

@17:47 I thought that loren needed to be on will? and I think I saw on seanB's vid that janssen can be on triple fight instead

[@jordank7250]

Lots of variations of this team.

[@johnsims9907]

Loren is better with will as if she gets oblivion you don't get armor break

[@chaoskidify]

@@johnsims9907 exactly what I want to point out there

[@kwlzyr]

15:24 she should be on will. he just took some random pics to show the turnorder

[@widowmak3r813]

Only thing the video doesn’t really cover is Fran stats. Showed Colleen instead. Other than that it’s a pretty good work up.

[@ShinEn_Oni]

For those who think bale might get nerfed, it is possible but unlikely to happen coz if they do that they'll also be nerfing kbr5

[@_fayris5356]

Gonna wait after the Balance Patch I can sense a Baley Nerf

[@ItsChrisBTW]

Thanks man was looking for this!

[@scottfujimoto8628]

Bagel, do an analysis/prediction video for SWC 2019 finals please.

[@nvnddon]

the crit leads wont stack unless its an all around crit buff and a specific fire crit buff. I know Bagel knows but just info for others

[@23Fists]

It's a viking, shouldn't it be pronounced (YAHNS-sin)?

[@SchizophrenicGamer]

Yes :)

[@JesusChrist-uc8ct]

And they call me yeezus

[@basselsak6111]

@@JesusChrist-uc8ct AHAHAHAHAH

[@ShikifuyinYT]

Lots or imprecisions and errors here ... 1 - BJR more reliable than BSR .... NO ! Both are 100% ... BJR is timer optimized and harder to rune, BSR (last ace's version with leads) is optimized for minimal rune requirements at the cost of 10 secs for the runs ... and is MUCH more accessible. In both case, fails only happen when all 3 loren fail def break which is a probability of 0.005960 % ! 2 - DONT USE VIDURR !!! USE DAGORA !!! Turns out Vidurr has a weird bug with his HP values which can make fran derp ! 3 - Not mentionned but Baleygr needs 30-32k on last hit as a damage reference 4 - Fran better than colleen ? NO ! They are exactly equivalent in this team, immune is useless. Both don't derp. Syncing between teams is better if all 3 players run the same. Actually, Colleen is slightly better since she has a shorter animation time on s3. 5 - The max speed of 191 for the fastest monster is AFTER tower buff and everything, the max speed on monster stats is +74, assuming maxed speed tower. 6 - You don't emphasize enough ... Max DPS towers (fire, ATT, CDMG) is REQUIRED, and actually so does HP and DEF towers in principle ! Shihwa is REQUIRED too, that 40% is key ! 7 - Leader to be sacrified must be on triple fight, no will on it ! Last point - YOU DO NOT NEED WILL ON FRAN AND JANSSEN ! You can play them on triple fight and have a grand total of 13 fight sets to ease rune requirements ! The speed tuning just needs to take into account when they get slow debuff ! That's it !!

[@twister1star112]

There is also the fact that Loren can use will instead of the frontline, because she can't def break if she is affected by oblivion

[@jigokusoul]

i think your extra explanation is appreciated, but your msg doesnt needa sound so condescending to the vid. bagels just tryna help and introduce it to the community. you might be right, but still gotta be nice to others~

[@Kyle-jb7dc]

what stats would you need without a maxed fire tower and just atk and crit dmg? i'm aware it's hyper useful. but couldn't you offset it by additional atk% somewhere? just higher requirements.

[@ZeinBenington]

For this to work all 3 players need the combo or it can work even if only i have it?

[@Alki21]

Love a good BJR5

[@p.g.637]

I dont get why the Hwa needs to be on will, wouldn't it be better if she's on full fight?

[@donut2843]

yes full fight is better

[@ItsRayful]

makes it more reliable in case dragon gets first breath off on you and blocks her passive

[@asmosisyup2557]

@@ItsRayful she's only there for leader skill and death, her passive is meaningless.

[@mkretschy9065]

jeogun has best leader skill

[@noremac251]

On global, Ace has been using 333 as the BSR5 channel. Just reminding players that 65 is not the Bale channel.

[@TownklerTrades]

Follow the guide on reddit to properly sync your team. Most frusterating part is when the team desync's or over / under shoots requirements (EHP etc)

[@ItsN]

Hey bagel, is this chart still relevant? 19:34

[@davidlider1596]

Pretty sure for consistent runs balegyr need like plus 9k hp and plus 400 def with totems maxed

[@tonysum6689]

Most people misunderstood the Cr . 19 n 23 is not adding up . Can u post it

[@trieu11]

Can you make a video on toah 80 artamiel this month, I can't do this stage anymore itd be really helpful

[@mz7480]

Wait if the frontliner was there just to die, why would they put will runes on them? 🤔

[@MrBurn2dust]

you need one that self revives there and if that unit doesnt have will he may get oblivion and not revive. The other unit however doesnt need will. And lets be honest, those white will runes you can farm in 1 second in scenario

[@kwlzyr]

they don't need will. triple fight is fine

[@mattywalsh11]

Oblivion

[@SchizophrenicGamer]

to prevent oblivion, so they can self revive

[@andrefranco6731]

Jewbagel do you suggest if we don't have max towers neither max s3 Baleygr can we do this team for r4? I have the runes but not those things I think I'll be lacking damage in the end but I do have the 6* legend rage and will runes for Baleygr

[@JuanFranco-mq7js]

just building my raids team, thanks dude, u saved me

[@Sniffyy]

have yall noticed theres a groggo gorgo grego grogen Nice job com2us...

[@fabrizioboggio1334]

My favourite is Woosa Woonsa

[@blackkyurem720]

@@fabrizioboggio1334 u forgot Woonhak

[@kainiakmaniac2254]

Or even Hwa Hwahee Hwadam Shihwa (Sorta) Huan and Hong hua They really like the "Hwa" sound

[@NobleLaika]

how about janssen and jansson

[@jaredcrabb]

Does Shaina work instead of Loren?

[@abob821]

good question

[@johnturtle6649]

Seanb is saying to NOT use fire giant warrior, because something about his animations de synchs the team. Just a heads up. Any other leader listed here is fine.

[@tokutakutoys5626]

The Japanese that you are giving the credit for this team is "Shotoku GAMES", but it's not him who created this BJR5 team but this Japanese とらあちゃんねる "Toraa Channel"

[@LiIBIue]

Just read the bjr5 reddit post, it's way shorter and there is also a visual to make it easier to understand :)

[@jordank7250]

Or just watch the video...

[@d48lo30]

Great video, thx bagel

[@jeffreysalcedo5665]

bagel are the runes for fire nine tails and fire giant triple fight garbage runes? wish we could see them

[@philobroch1328]

is it possible to put an Hellea instead of a loren ( with lorens in the other parties ) in order to put a brand on the boss ?

[@marcelojj2009]

Vampire Lord can be used for booth skill lider and atk buff in this composition (witch would work well with Baley, specially if other buffs are present ) ?

[@moritzmeiser4755]

As someone who doesn‘t have the runes that are worth grinding i can assure you there is no way people who don‘t farm runes can build a good enough baley

[@crkTyphoon]

Trust me it doesn't matter whether they "can". They'll still try and make dozens of people fail with it. I've seen people with Teshar Reps like 1500 Atk, 130 Spd, 35% CR, 55% CD be like "yo look at my rep, so gud, daz how 2 rune him" and I'm sitting there with my 2800 Atk, 200 Spd, 99%CR 232%CD Teshar and be like "ye if only I could achieve that...". It's not about whether people can, it's about whether people care. And 90% of people that will build this, won't care enough, they will rush it, they will fail it and they will cause hundreds of others to fail it too because of that.

[@blablub7897]

People who don't farm can't do anything in this game ^^

[@robertovazquez8743]

New patch: baleygr cant be used in Raids. Period.

[@crkTyphoon]

Baleygr literally got introduced as a R5 unit xD It's pretty much his sole purpose.

[@robertovazquez8743]

@@crkTyphoon they changed whole dynamics because only op players could do speedruns. Now the entire community can do speedruns. Somethings gonna change.

[@KenTracer]

Roberto Vazquez banning a unit isn't gonna work. Simply nerf the mon sounds like com2us

[@haginjb]

I'll wait to build this until the balance patch. If they haven't nerfed this by then... I'll do it

[@cumluvr]

did you do it?

[@noodlesRawsome24]

Hey bagel, could I copy ur SWC predictions? Last time I did it, I got all the good rewards!

[@maxkorn7021]

The bale dose not need skill ups if ur runes are good enough. Just try with friends and if he dose 30k on the last hit (without brand!!) he’s good enough. But u do need a bit hp so he survives the jump etc

[@rasengan367tna]

30k is for BS but for BJ you need 32k+ and reaching 32k+ without skill up and tankyness? OMG the runes quality needed. So for BS you can spare devilmon but for BJ nonsense not to skill up him

[@_fayris5356]

Too bad for BJ5 it needs +32k...

[@Boronesss]

schizophrenic gamer just the best sw content creator!

[@hueylouie3345]

What two-team speed runs have people done? I farm R5 fairly reliably with 2-3min runs with two accounts. Kind of curious if I could do a speed team without having to bring in a 3rd account.

[@offbrandstudios8360]

Wait, In the chart does the attack column mean additional attack or total attack power

[@johnturtle6649]

additional, unfortunately. making the attack power + crit damage is the hard part. i havent seen any lower than say + 1600 attack, maybe + 1690

[@jakebb800]

For the chart, do they factor in crit damage towers, as a default stat or can it be added to the total on the monster itself

[@Linnynoy1990]

the number of + atk from the chart, are they with or without fightrunes ?

[@itomark]

Without

[@korina9387]

So because elad doesnt have attack bar boost he wouldnt work?

[@officialkung]

can loren deff break while oblivion? because based on your presentation, I heard that you said she will deff break after the dragon put oblivion on her? 18:56

[@crkTyphoon]

Every participatn needs a Loren to ensure atleast one of them is going to land their Def Break (literally says reasons of failure is all 3 Lorens not landing Def Break).

[@pongamoslo-a-prueba]

- critical rate and + critical damage because leader team (khali 23, hwa 19% and chiwa 40%) = safe damage 32k +. chiwa (not spd), jassen (31 spd) not have will < is better 3 figth .................order fran (buff), loren (def break), baleygr (damage) - after the fall chiwa, dagora and fran die because jassen rises 30% by death, so he would attack Loren (def break) first and last baleygr

[@matty30neil]

Why not water undine for front

[@kevinkraus5212]

Nice vid :D With the meta keeps changing really often are there any new beginner R5 Teams? Asking for a friend.. xD

[@melind82]

For a beginner your best bet is to farm up good 6* runes and not worry about grinds yet. You can go into R4 a bit as you gear up this team, but unless something drastic happens in the next 6 months you should plan to build and bling out a baleygr, he'll be used for sure.

[@-mokelo-8421]

hope they make r5 solo in the future updates. its my only problem with the raid!

[@mariefeatilano924]

wish granted

[@smokinquack89]

speed tuning and turn order? thanks

[@raheemsmith2433]

frans stats for bjr5?

[@qubesenuf3957]

where is robynsparkles?

[@noremac251]

All these comps focus on Bale so much that Com2us will more than likely nerf him. One of the things they specifically mentioned when they nerfed R5 was that they did that to open up the opportunity to have more speed comps out there. Com2us wants more depth in players monster box. I mean, they didn't build 1000 unique monsters for nothing.

[@allieknight9791]

Wow hydro is famous now :D 114 fam shout out 👍

[@denox4785]

Does this still work

[@GregorHofbauer]

What's the bj r5 chat channel?

[@Patrick-jj1ud]

soon as "BJ" R5 came out knew bagelmon was gonna make a video about it lol

[@amouramarie]

I'm so surprised this hasn't been patched out yet. I'm sure they're just waiting to find a way to patch this out of Baly without affecting other kinds of play.

[@Jaap12787]

What channel do the BJ runners stay at in Europe server? Lf teams

[@mrkebabse6721]

J. A. Probably late answer but its ch65

[@Jaap12787]

@@mrkebabse6721 thanks!

[@xCoupDeGracex]

Can I use my main and alt account's BJR5 teams and an additional placement from main account for 3rd team to do R4?

[@mrkebabse6721]

xCoupDeGracex Cant use additional placement because you cant use the same units on two different teams

[@aerin6259]

Late to the party, can anyone tell me what are the minimum hp and def stats for Baleygr?

[@psuguy221]

Woohoo, thanks Bagel!

[@stevekain4707]

ah newbie question here. I've max-skilled Verdehile (yes including the 2nd one), and wondering if I should rebuild one.

[@droppdochwas]

the 2nd skill was changed to it being multihit aswell. so it doesnt matter anymore

[@stevekain4707]

@@droppdochwas oh good to know. God bless you

[@serkiis.y8391]

Oh shit it's the smitty werbenjagerman"jensen" comp

[@Shonon22]

Damn hydro got credit? I was lurking so hard I had no idea my old guild-mate did something good!

[@WykydWaze]

A use for Drogan's last curse; coolest looking useless monster in SW.

[@Jesusismylordandsavior171]

Balyger needs will? Mine is rage blade

[@T_Lem0n]

Yes Will is a must on him

[@TheKillerMB1]

so why do the crappy mons need will? they will die anyway so why not put on triple fight?

[@mrkebabse6721]

FLuffyxKittyCat Because the boss would put on oblivion and/or speed break

[@shiro8663]

It's actually 4:19am when I'm watching this

[@angelitabecerra]

5am for me lmao

[@sexyhinatahotty]

for bjr5 your bale need to do 31k+ on last hit, your bale need +10k hp and +400 defence (85k ehp) to never die so ya that bale is not good enough yet i mean is tbh the endgame team those stats are hard to get, also jessen can be on 3ple fight he just need to be +28 speed to don't get cut

[@_fayris5356]

Baley actually wants +32k

[@katestrada4966]

Great tutorial

[@kamikater4065]

why running will on hwa, she doesnt need it. Oblivion block is only needed for revive passive right ?

[@SchizophrenicGamer]

at 14:00 I mentioned this at the bottom of the slide. I was using the japanese players runes as example but no the leader skill doesn't need will runes, you are correct. The self reviver does though.

[@kamikater4065]

@@SchizophrenicGamer :o okay, thanks for the answer. Guess I wasn't quite paying attention :/

[@andrewbernier4676]

Also... you get a rage set from necro first clear lmao. If it roles right, there are your bale runes

[@86110972867]

one last thing.... it's necessary that all 3 members on the raid have this RJS5 build? because i have seen that all 3 were running it

[@FabioPCarvalho]

Yes, everybody need to be running this team since you will need the three leader skills and three Bae to kill the boss

[@VoidBass6412]

Should i keep a duped Rica? I got one for toah, lots of acc and despair runes. I feel like her skill dmg % isn't really high, only her third Skill could be Fine.

[@crkTyphoon]

You could build a second PVP Def Rica with high speed and acc just for the lulz

[@bosf2497]

Crit rate leader skills stack together?

[@RaizzenStyle]

yes and no. global leads + fire leads work. if there are booth fire it wont stack

[@JeanJoseph25]

Could you use Shaina instead of Loren?

[@_fayris5356]

Yes

[@Fatalinvesting]

I just have 1 question...Do you sleep?

[@lacunarikain2]

Can Fran survive the jump. I really don't want to build another Fran or Loren... :(

[@SchizophrenicGamer]

You don't need to 6-star them, the fran I'm going to use for this is only going to be 4-starred. the Japanese player was using a 3-star colleen. She doesn't need to be fully built.

[@purplepotato5749]

I did watch this before.....but...how..why...it just got recommended to me the moment I fused him on my phone xD great timing I guess lol

[@D_zohan]

is this strat still working? because i'm thinking about farm runes for this.

[@mrkebabse6721]

D ZoHaN Yes

[@mjewan9920]

I'm just waiting for the balance patch before beating them

[@shadownoiz]

Can anyone give recommendations on possible Fran replacements?

[@subzerorls9613]

锡安吴 colleen