When i started this game 2 months ago it felt like an impassable mountain, was doing more youtubing than gaming to get all the info, and then i stumbeld over your videos and all the pieces feel together. Your leveling guides are a lifesaver and i always discover something new from your videos. Keep up the good work. :)
@Sorgaren3 жыл бұрын
Solid reasoning and solid decision. Seeing the sweaty players in here disliking is kinda sad, but whatever. The beauty of BDO is that you can do almost anything and progress from it.
@alessandrolococo43473 жыл бұрын
EvilDoUsHarm: selling his combat gear. Me: selling my TRI Manos accesories to buy combat gear
@TudorSicaru3 жыл бұрын
lmao, I literally did the same and I'm not sorry...I like the game more now that I kill stuff and actually play my character and hone my skills...with lifeskilling I was on an alt 99% of the time..
@alessandrolococo43473 жыл бұрын
@@TudorSicaru I think it is worth it, cause you can just grind a bit to get enough money to buy a decent loggia/geranoas to go back lifeskilling. I did it also to finish the Story questline to O'dillyta, and get into some different grindspots like Thornswood, Turos etc..
@azca.3 жыл бұрын
@@freedomgaming9987 good to know
@Classfied13 жыл бұрын
I did the same but to buy dream horses
@jubiludrofher75343 жыл бұрын
i still remember when you said you were going to dye your hair green when you reached 20k while you were playing bns. One day you most fulfill your promise the internet never forgets.Congrats! on the 90k subs.
@hansley35793 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on 90k Levi!! Evildousharm to the moon!!!
@EvilDoUsHarm3 жыл бұрын
Soon hopefully the 100k!
@Scooty_Puff_Sr3 жыл бұрын
It's nice to just have a chill chat with the audience i think, i enjoyed it. Hope all is well, take it easy!
@matthewnilson58043 жыл бұрын
No way this topic has been on my mind for a week or so thanks man
@Benrage3213 жыл бұрын
Thanks for not making Clickbait ala "Why I did it" or "It's over". No surprising reasons for me, but it was still interesting to see what you are like. I'm more of a hybrid player. But I don't play the RNG Upgrade System either nor do I care much about PvP. I was always interested in proper Lifeskilling in MMOs and your channel definitely helped in BDO so far.
@masonkirby90442 жыл бұрын
All the comments in the past i wrote about you were wrong. You're a great person. I love your content. Don't stop making videos. Because if you do, I would probably stop playing bdo.
@varonecl3 жыл бұрын
This is a great vid for beginners to understand this game is filled with something for everyone and you can play in multiple ways
@lst97013 жыл бұрын
Cant wait to go home and sell my oasis gear
@ph4tboy3 жыл бұрын
+1 Reblath when?
@g.rillaz3 жыл бұрын
Oh fuqq yes evidousharm hit 90k! MUCH DESERVED :D p.s. probably my favorite format tbh cus you show everyone that you can truly do your own thing in BDO and it's not a "min max" game unless your end game pvping
@SevereArtisan3 жыл бұрын
My goal is to have both at the moment. Decent gear so I can grind at some of the endgame spots like Elvia, Thornwood, Turos, etc. casually whenever I feel like it and good lifeskilling gear for the times where I want to be more chill and relax. After a lot of work, I got the first, currently working on the second. 4/6 TRI Manos Accessories!
@terryhew30243 жыл бұрын
I myself did not grind any monster at all, all I do now is bartering. But I didn't sell all my combat gear, from bartering alone I managed to get all my lifeskill gears.. Really enjoy your video and can't thank you enough for recommending this game..
@BloofehBaby3 жыл бұрын
I realize I haven't done any grinding in over a month so maybe I should do the same hahaha. I'd be cool to see a "day in the life" type video where you do just go through that routine you mentioned in this video, wouldn't even need a ton of commentary but just seeing you flexing how much a difference the new gear makes could be really cool. Keep it up, 90k whooo!
@kentsavick25163 жыл бұрын
Short version: Do what YOU have FUN doing in a GAME. :D
@warzshadow97013 жыл бұрын
You play the game the way you enjoy it the most! I enjoy all your videos, please keep making them! 🤗
@shabadooshabadoo49183 жыл бұрын
Its crazy how similar you and I play this game. Even our life skill levels look similar. I'm just always slightly ahead because i've been playing longer.
@VtojeC3 жыл бұрын
8:00 I learnt more than you think friend. VP also makes small pay2win for bartering. You can roll 3x barter list everyday instead of 2x without the VP. It means you basically lose more than 120kk per day (depends on your barter count progression) if you play entire day of course. Good vid. Thank you.
@simonwarren88563 жыл бұрын
120k? This doesnt seem like a big deal is it?
@seatrout49043 жыл бұрын
Thanks Evil... Guess who has TET Manos now! Most of my combat gear wasnt being used, and this is just swapping bank accounts from one to the other. Love it.
@PyrosKoC3 жыл бұрын
Makes a video about focusing on life skilling, has full energy while he talks for 10mins. Triggered.
@DeLawrence973 жыл бұрын
He also has 358 energy, I got like 440 and I'm not even lifeskilling that much anymore. ULTRATRIGGERED. This is a joke, please don't tink otherwise.
@Wodansx13 жыл бұрын
Watching this video sitting on 627/627 :)
@christinehede75783 жыл бұрын
@@DeLawrence97 I have 592 energy and hardly ever lifeskill.
@bcuz66413 жыл бұрын
@@christinehede7578 who grinds for an energy pool that big and doesn’t life skill?/
@christinehede75783 жыл бұрын
@@bcuz6641 I never grind for anything. I have played the game since launch and played the amity game and explored, you know actually played the game not just rushed to 60-62 while mindlessly grinding. The knowledge comes just from playing.
@danm943 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I'm very tempted to do the same as you. Atm I'm something of a mix but I'm not really efficient on any, so picking life skill, IMO, pays more, and satisfaction is somehow guaranteed. Lifeskills simply keep connection with the game much better from what I like most of the time I spend in. Peace ✌
@Revaq93 жыл бұрын
Jesus was never a man of violence, makes sense that bdo jesus isn't either
@Rui-Reis3 жыл бұрын
You really have to do a guide on imperial, like making boxes, valencia meals and all that. I know you have some, but like a full guide, gathering materials , what you choose to do and all that stuff from begginer level to master and above.
@Andrew-iz6eu3 жыл бұрын
But if he does that... it'll be way harder to sell guru boxes. It is such a pain to sell them because of the caps every 3 hours xD
@Killer_Dustbunny3 жыл бұрын
Dude, I did the same thing a while back. Welcome to the full on lifeskill life.
@vascorodrigues183 жыл бұрын
as someone who has the same livestyle as you (irl work and afk BDO work) i always thought about this and seeing this does make me think I should be the best decision to make on a long run, still need to think about this before I do anything I might regret
@hn40683 жыл бұрын
The new loyalty shop this week sells book of life and +100 mastery stone. If you want to go full-on lifeskill, now IS the time
@Grandma_Wendy3 жыл бұрын
I am not in the top 25% or whatever, but I am doing more life skills, I found all your videos are informative. I am seeing my characters level "peaking" at 35 something... I only have 3 characters so far. Level progression has slowed, but I am not into level grinding. As a new player since the beginning of March this year, I was combat and tutorial. I keep finding new mini games doing life skill. I just found the wheelbarrow mini game while gathering some potatoes for a quest. Over in Glish, I slaughter a mess of triangle head lizard for making my saddles. I have one character up in Velia that buys the cheap fluid extractor, then over to the west is foxes. I have no idea what you guys are doing with the fox blood, but I sell it and make millions of silver. To be honest it was about 500K per 100 because I allowed my value pack to lapse. I was making about 900K before with the value pack. I purchased some permanent dyes to replace the ones I was using with Merv's Palette. My gear is all 80 ~ 80 to 100 ~ 100, I have a mess of items in my storage, and 1.7 billion silver in my warehouse. I have 3 maids all named Irene??? I have several pets and it looks like I get a free puppy (naughty dog) next week. So I am having tons of fun with Black Desert. Keep making videos, even if you think they are about nothing, they mean something to someone.
@runuts66643 жыл бұрын
After playing this game for 2yrs. my final thought on this game? it's design and developed by those "GOLD FARMER" in those OG mmo's that we saw spamming the channel try to sell in-game currency, in this game we do a lot of farm farm farm from mobs, mats, market. If my goal is to make money, I can go on farming without fighting hordes of mobs, more than 50% of the content are relate to life style. There were a time period that I wonder why I even brother to go through the pain of enhance battle gears when there is no raid, no dungeons and I don't PVP, there is no hurry to gear up. I end up BUYING most my Pen gears (move up in tiers, buy new/sell old), it saved me from the depressed chance of 10%+- enhance rate.
@ZioDegliAnimali3 жыл бұрын
they are going to add 1 dungeon in 2021
@runuts66643 жыл бұрын
@@ZioDegliAnimali 1 in 6 yrs.. little late😂🤦♂️
@iRretB3 жыл бұрын
Your actual net worth now vs after 5 months~ using the Life Skill gear will be a nice content soon. Reason #1 is spot on btw!
@rogue27913 жыл бұрын
I love lifeskilling and have never touched grinding for months enjoyed the game more with lifeskilling.
@demonslayer24233 жыл бұрын
I honestly looked for a pvp guide on your channel. And yes I did subscribe! I guess I just will learn life skill or ask if you could make a pvp video hahah! That would be sweet
@TheOnesmallwhisper3 жыл бұрын
I did the same thing a few months back but for different reasons. I ended up getting full tri manos accessories and a bunch of TET manos chest pieces and life tools. After a while I started to get my combat gear back and am actually more geared than I was when I sold it. 277ap and 333dp with Kutum. So, I can either grind or lifeskill and make a good amount of profit it either way. I didn’t avoid the rng though, I just didn’t care if it went, since life skilling was how I was making my money. At this point I haven’t logged in for 3 weeks and debating if I should just retire from the game, I enjoyed my time and this is the longest time in an mmo I have played.
@syreallewyatt50483 жыл бұрын
Amazing timing, been here for 6yrs now (w/beta) and Im just kind of exhausted by it now. I totally get your thinking, I've ALWAYS, ALWAYS agreed w/the RNG gear system is complete cancer, I mean, stage fucking 4 cancer so no argument there. My guild is pretty young, and really into end-game, gear grinding for like 12hrs and whatnot. All good, go them, but Ive nvr cared about my gear, about where I grind ect like you mention (my spots are diff but I get ur point). As other mention, I DO actually still think this game is amazing for what it provides and I wish it nothing but the best, but like many things, kind of what you're 'suggesting' everyone needs a break or a different game, which is basically what you're saying.
@MsGhoulz3 жыл бұрын
Nah, I'd go insane if I just did lifeskilling only. I mix it all in to prevent myself from going crazy.
@laurentpecriaux13453 жыл бұрын
I only go for grinding when Aegris meter is full and IF I have loot scrolls. I see it like having full energy on a lifeskill alt and not using it so ,,,, it is a good waty to do something different. I totally get you but definitely I have no target with my GS I just look for different ways to make money with fun and upgrade my... Lifeskill Mastery xDD
@nicholasg.8443 жыл бұрын
Ma Mannnn 💪 wishing you the best to hit 100k soon !
@tianshi84533 жыл бұрын
I enjoy these videos as well as the others you do. Thanks! Bass! ;-)
@-alexandru3 жыл бұрын
1month beginner here that will have the value pack expire in few weeks : what to do after that ?what the tax will be without it ? now it s 15% I assume it will be 30% or maybe im wrong. Should I sell items only when there will be an event that gives a value pack? sell a lot of stuff and collect with a 1 day value pack? wait one month for return gift ? What is your opinion on this Evil? thank you
@trustcuz3 жыл бұрын
never sell items without a value pack running
@j.k.62003 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'm keeping one boss gear set on my main, Rest of characters are either life-skill equipped or on oasis/narchilla/tuvala since I'm not grinding that much. So, yeah it's undersatandable.
@Redjuicey3 жыл бұрын
Hiya, thanks for the video! What was the site you used to calculate imperial box profits?
@EvilDoUsHarm3 жыл бұрын
veliainn.com/imperial
@xKingsfall3 жыл бұрын
Finally you can enjoy core of BDO and that's what is made for: catching butterflies and gathering tulipans.
@FallenFromGlory3 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@alessandrolococo43473 жыл бұрын
Well the reason is reasonable. You can still have the Oasis or the Narchillan hear as well as you need it to grind some money or items. So it's not that wrong. But in my opinion, i passed 3, months without any gear doing lifeskilling at 360° and... When i get 8.6b i get bored. I wanted to do another character and complete the story quest yo Star's End and O'dillyta. So i needed higher gear, and that's why I spend all my money to get another gear.
@laurentpecriaux13453 жыл бұрын
I was thinking like you as I have switched to Bartering and butchering/Cooking mode ... But, i decided to keep my combat gear for only one purpose.... When my Aegris is full, i go to a nice place just to fill my inventory with trash loot in a nice place like Manshaums or Ronaros (regarding my AP) As soon as I deplete it, I go back to Lifeskilling. I really do not like to waste that Aegris Meter, it is like having full energy on an alt and not use it XDDD DON'T WASTE THAT lol it is extra money too
@literaltrash33513 жыл бұрын
"I sold all my combat gear to become a life skiller" sounds like a light novel title
@undefinedinstrument3 жыл бұрын
if they made an anime from it I'd watch lol
@SparkZ0093 жыл бұрын
As someone who just started most of the life skill system still makes no sense to me but is pretty amazing.
@aaron-wh4td3 жыл бұрын
Any suggestions between buying the amerigo pack for the hedgehog or tent? I'm a new player
@arenkai3 жыл бұрын
I just tapped a TET Laytenn by pure RNG carryness... And now I also want to sell and gather deer blood for the rest of my life... I don't enjoy grinding mobs anymore for silver, especially now that I've reach the point where I need to grind Sycria or Hystria to be efficient... And those are high brain power areas at my overall skill level Deer blood though... I can watch netflix and litteraly chill for an hour, do some cooking on the side, etc. It's the peak BDO experience
@Theobviousthing3 жыл бұрын
Hey Levi! So besides the fact you didn't need the gear you had for where you were killing monsters. Do you feel like pvp in this game is not fun for higher end spots? At least for you? That's the feeling I got from your vid. That you didn't stick to combat gear because of the potential pvp in the area. Thanks for the tips about the 3 month central market rythm ;)
@jeffd96583 жыл бұрын
I learned something. Those crystals in weapons changed my life bdo jesus.
@kibspoker3 жыл бұрын
There's an Ancient scroll that says: "The most Dangerous battle warriors are the ones that avoid war and seek solitude"
@Eas_the_Planeswalker3 жыл бұрын
Sandbox game, play whatever you enjoy most 🙂
@emmanuelblue13203 жыл бұрын
I swapped to Shai and I invested a good 4bill in life skill gear/tools/acc to do gathering and i am focusing on lumbering but i know that just selling the various tree logs is not the most profitable like for example meat or blood selling, couild you make a guide on how to combine gathering materials with crafting for max profit? Btw your guides are the best always!
@EvilDoUsHarm3 жыл бұрын
Literally just put a guide on imperial crafting like 2 weeks ago xD search for my trading guide.
@cookiemadoka76563 жыл бұрын
duuude . we have the same thought process. when my value pack expired. i started thinking how to make money without it, now i have farm, trade empire. 20mins gathering for imperial cooking , and most of the time i barter.
@cokefloat183 жыл бұрын
Whats the use of the value pack in making money?
@simonwarren88563 жыл бұрын
@@cokefloat18 You make more money when selling off the market when you have a VP but it doesnt mean you're not making any profit if you dont have one.
@cokefloat183 жыл бұрын
@@simonwarren8856 alright so just bulk sell like bdo jesus did i guess
@rssiya26013 жыл бұрын
what do you chop and how does chopping make money compared to elk meat or something?
@Classfied13 жыл бұрын
I barely have any combat gear to sell because of the capotia accessories and tuvula gear 😁. All silver went into lifeskilling.
@kerrywikstrom16983 жыл бұрын
So why does master help afk fishing?
@Leonardo10Inchie43 жыл бұрын
So tempted to do the same I'm grinding Life skills for money just to buy AP gear that i legit never use...
@rezacomplex53273 жыл бұрын
same tho heheh
@itsyourboisnappy3 жыл бұрын
Same. I hate grinding, somehow I spent all my Lifeskill Silver for AP/DP on my main xD
@arenkai3 жыл бұрын
Do you bother with trade items like crystalised blood ? They're the main reason I get over weight limit
@Bezayne3 жыл бұрын
What do you now keep grinding for if you don't want combat gear? Better life skill gear to grind money faster for...? Just wondering :-)
@jony2234fu3 жыл бұрын
Does it help me, not really right now BUT that's an alternate way i could go do my stuff. I think i will not play BDO that activly at all times in the future (except the daily logins) since finly getting over lvl 56 and entering the grinding spots outside of the olvia server was "kinda not a good experience". Thank god BDO for the oasis gear but damn Pearl Abbys for not making a strict NO PVP server.
@gilbyglibber3 жыл бұрын
sir but your energy is full and your workers are hungry
@chaosgyro3 жыл бұрын
You're doing God's work here. Too bad I still find this game almost impenetrable. 😁
@Bvic33 жыл бұрын
PA doesn't give you perma VP/Kama/Old Moon like many other content creators ?
@Liverpaul19903 жыл бұрын
Thought the same, but maybe he does not want to have it in order to give numbers on income for the avarage viewer. Don't know.
@Liverpaul19903 жыл бұрын
@Redeemed Not sure, but maybe you missed the point. Bvic3 was speaking about that PA gives subscribtion items like Value Pack for free to Content Creators like Evildousharm ;-)
@simonwarren88563 жыл бұрын
@Redeemed But thats what he meant lol.
@TheInfamousWolf3 жыл бұрын
Makes me wanna make the switch as well, perhaps a video demonstrating your entire step? Perhaps, only if you're willing to take this into consideration 🤘🐺🤘
@garlendthegamer3 жыл бұрын
This don't surprise me at all. When ever he streams it is just clicking trees. lol
@jonathanghee46173 жыл бұрын
You convinced me to sell mine and I don't regret it.
@lumi67213 жыл бұрын
you can go to Sycraia @ 269 kutum and 329 DP and make 130M an hour after tax. There is barely anyone there even on Arsha server, and can make 250+M an hour with a ring/red shard drop
@rcpd183 жыл бұрын
i have actually been doing the same , the only part with the cooking and imperial boxes is that it´s hard to deliver all those guru boxes spots are gone after 3 mins when imperial resets and then prof boxes for all those pickled veggies profit. For Artisan or master boxes the profit is still there but the mats for them are a bit tedious to get....
@silverboxxer3 жыл бұрын
Don't hand in crates on the main daily reset (the one that resets your daily turn-in limit). I hand them in as soon as it resets during some other part of the day and I've never had trouble with them being gone.
@YourBoiCuddlez3 жыл бұрын
Could just have an alt in another town to turn in the boxes. U are probably trying to turn in in heidel.
@silverboxxer3 жыл бұрын
@@YourBoiCuddlez cooking mastery gives you more money for each crate, so maybe it's not worth it
@rcpd183 жыл бұрын
@@silverboxxer actually that´s the time where i´m able to give the most if i´m not sleeping the rest of the day is almost impossible
@rcpd183 жыл бұрын
@@YourBoiCuddlez yeah i do heidel since it´s my main residence and where i get most stuff from workers and my storage space is big enough , but i will try to send all my prof meals to Valencia maybe?
@seanattazilla27023 жыл бұрын
realizing Musa is OP for hunting and gathering
@VietDudez9 ай бұрын
thanks for your guides, start playing BDO for a month and watched most of your vids. Just see this now, I don't really agree with selling gears. Were you starve in money? Most players want money to buy gears and progress. TOo late of a comment but keep up the great work.
@AussieVet3 жыл бұрын
Im going the same way it's your fault EDUH, I started watching your vids lol.............
@godemperor71663 жыл бұрын
I honestly think the progression path for lifeskilling is worse than grinding progression. my progression from 1250 mastery to 1300 mastery by gear didnt feel as rewarding as grinding a new spot with +2 AP. Also you need to gather a shit ton of herbs to level up since meat/trees dont give as much EXP even though I dont want to gather herbs...
@beyasal3 жыл бұрын
you don't need to gather herbs to level up gathering if you don't want to, if it feels frustrating spending hours gathering and not having any decent income generated to show for it then don't do it, otherwise you'll just end up burning your self out and maybe even just giving up altogether.
@NinhoMemes3 жыл бұрын
Been thinking about doing the same too. I have about 50bil just sitting in my inv waiting for me to start grinding again
@ideasonscribe2 жыл бұрын
I see plenty of BDO videos on HOW people make loads of money in this game. I'm just waiting to find a video explaining what exactly it is that people are trying to spend such large amounts of money on.
@juandefs3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, i'm familiar with this tactic. Buy high sell low.
@m_dig38873 жыл бұрын
Stonks
@maverickf67873 жыл бұрын
When manos came out i wanted to sell everything and go full lifeskill never did and i slowlly build a lifeskill build with full tet manos cloths and tools and tri manos acc and recently i sold it all just to buy a tet deboreka and now im slowlly buying it again why is it so hard to sell pvp/pve gear
@OLBarbok3 жыл бұрын
The true endgame
@Josh-993 жыл бұрын
With Oasis gear available, the decision makes sense.
@therspage Жыл бұрын
Thank you So much man
@DanielRTX3 жыл бұрын
I tried to get into life skills but never really dive into. I see the potential and silver making, but don't see much fun in it. Too bad
@nashobligacion67563 жыл бұрын
Can u make some vids about how to make tier 1 horse to tier 2 into dream
@stellasvartur45473 жыл бұрын
I don't quite understand. As the main reasoning behind those decisions is to maximize the amount of money you make, I wonder what that money is for, otherwise, where is the point?
@ksore54283 жыл бұрын
I see that red blinking paw, feed your pets you monster!!
@taekyung19973 жыл бұрын
Hey there evildousharm, how much silver do you make average per day?
@brianr.63763 жыл бұрын
Couple months back he said 200M with 2 hour playing per day
@blanknblank13 жыл бұрын
My friend, if you like life skilling this much, OSRS is THE GAME for you.
@MrJaxon6203 жыл бұрын
Bdo is a lifeskilling game,plain and simple
@joestats76123 жыл бұрын
Umm wrong
@drshepherd65673 жыл бұрын
im sick of doing all the Combat Grind with AP limitations, where places that give good gold/hour are way too high for me even though regarding all guides I should easily manage to beat those. But I dont want to be tryhard when gaming and rather chill and have a relaxing time. So I am thinking of selling mit 590 AP+DP gear too and get me some Manos instead. I could get arround 25 Billion with everything I have. Hmmmmm
@ahmedruyyashi19653 жыл бұрын
Wat is ur class bro?
@emzeeDD3 жыл бұрын
Got 1800 mastery in gathering, 602 Energy and 654 GS Combat.. and my way for perfect Account will be far away ;( And i have about 2 to 3 HRS a day for active gaming
@srybra38683 жыл бұрын
This world is beyond saving I'm gonna just become rich
@JohnDoe-gc3bj3 жыл бұрын
You may not be teaching me, but I'm still learning anyway.
@bogdanh23833 жыл бұрын
Do you still play genshin impact?
@Pughhead5 ай бұрын
Get this man a runescape account
@damienlebreton9003 жыл бұрын
okay, auto generated subtitles is really wrote by evil himself
@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски3 жыл бұрын
For some reason when I pressed C it said "Subtitles (Vietnamese)". Why it thinks OP's talking in Vietnamese, I've got no idea. Mysteries of the Internet.
@NxKSH3 жыл бұрын
Selling your combat gear would do more evil and harm than good to you. 🤪 In all seriousness..... is life skilling really the way to make money? Especially for someone who can only play 2~3 hrs on weekday?
@floppyears7883 жыл бұрын
And what is your objective with the game, I mean, why are u doing lifeskill and getting gold for?
@Liamzy3 жыл бұрын
Do you ever plan on making videos on more of the books? Eg Deves encyclopedia, Pacino's log. As a new player stuff like Deves encyclopedia is pretty scary 😅
@hanhh69143 жыл бұрын
it's only scary if you don't do research
@ChristhoperJoel19073 жыл бұрын
can i ask u guys how to get time worn black stone please ?
@eipebpeax3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to farmville bdo.
@carlblemming3 жыл бұрын
Do you put lifeskill gear on multiple characters? Like having a second/third character for gathering, farming alt, etc?
@YourBoiCuddlez3 жыл бұрын
Most people make shais and just have those to milk cows and have 1 main/alt that has all the gear for gathering . Farming doesnt really need much apart from artisan 1.