Black Faces, Black Interests | Glenn Loury & Carol M. Swain [The Glenn Show]

[@TacoKnight909]

Can we start a petition for the Glenn Show to model the Rogan Experience and do 3-hour conversations? I always feel like the conversations end too soon.

[@randomlady6899]

100% Yessssss! It always feels like his conversations end midway

[@delailama736]

I imagine Glenn would have to retire before doing this. I get the feeling Glenn is a very busy man in his role at Brown and would often love to do longer conversations. That was evident in the recent Fifth Column episode where John McWhorter and Glenn both had to leave the conversation early.

[@AnthonyAntelman]

I agree

[@thespectrum2639]

I agree 1000% percent. His mind is national treasure.

[@ajg1791]

I think it's perfect the way it is. Wouldn't want to ruin a good thing.

[@houstonjames716]

I enjoy Loury as devil's advocate...he's great at it.

[@delailama736]

The first time I ever heard Glenn was on Sam Harris' podcast and that was probably a year before I found the Glenn Show. I remember being so confused listening to Glenn on Sam's podcast because he was so good at steel manning that I couldn't work out what side he was arguing for.

[@randomlady6899]

He’s so great at it,, that I only watched a few minutes of his show the first time it came in my feed.

[@holyworrier]

He's not playing devil's advocate.

[@basillomanchenko2171]

He’s good at playing devils advocate because he has the ability to find any rationale of either side the argument

[@houstonjames716]

Basil Lomanchenko he articulates both arguments well...better than any other Intellectuals I’ve listened to...

[@ambermlively25]

I am sad that this is the first time I’ve heard of Carol Swain because she is an amazing woman! Her story needs to be shared with more people, especially young people.

[@sulaak]

What is amazing about this stupid woman, she wants more black children for political interest. What about the quality of black children? How many Jews are in the USA, yet they dominate the intellectual, economic and cultural landscape of the USA. It's not the quantity but the quality of black children that matters.

[@jonathandrake8640]

@@sulaak The Quality? Lives are not a matter of EITHER and your assertions made W/O evidence can be dismissed and a little less vitriol would be helpful also.

[@tinymcgoo1195]

@@jonathandrake8640 I am glad that you bring up evidence. I think that people like Loury and Swain and Sowell are otherwise intelligent, well read, thoughtful thinkers right up to the point of their religious views. They then toss out everything grounded in reality and switch into fantasy mode. If any of them could show any evidence of the 'truths' of their religion, I certainly would like to hear it. Until then I would rather listen to folks like McWhorter and Hughes who deny superstitious beliefs and remain constantly in reality. Swain is a case in point, her beliefs in the supernatural drive her opinion on gay people and to show any sort of inclusion of that group is to deny christians a place. Her assertion that colleges are putting the most flamboyant gay on the pedestal during orientation is no more a matter of fiction that is systemic racism. You don't get to just claim it, you have to demonstrate it. While Loury agrees with her, at least he pushed her for examples of what she was referring to which she largely danced around.

[@modo1896]

@@tinymcgoo1195 I think Loury is sympathetic to people of faith but not a believer anymore. He talks about it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/naGXl5pvhbyonq8.

[@tinymcgoo1195]

@@modo1896 Yes you are right. He has gone back and forth, currently not a believer as I understand from a video he did a couple days ago. I was basing my comment on older information.

[@SandLapper]

Glenn, I always enjoy your podcasts, but in this edition you introduced me to a very interesting, funny, and classy lady who makes a lot of sense to me. I hope you add her to your recurring guest list along with John McWhorter and Coleman Hughes. Carol, it was a pleasure to make your virtual acquaintance.

[@michawill6599]

All the more reason to have her. How. Many people her experience?

[@ret1con]

My first reaction at Dr. Swain’s praying for Jared Taylor was to think of her as a “Pollyannish” Christian - but I immediately recalled a story about a nun’s cry during an attempted attack on her by an axe wielding murderer “God, this man needs help!” Also the forgiveness of the survivors of the church shooting a few years ago. I may be agnostic leaning atheist but I have to respect someone who’s sincerely tries to be true to their faith.

[@captaincheese-beard6316]

Damn, when she said that she's been praying for Taylor because she believes that he can redeem himself I felt overwhelmed and actually shed a tear. What a beautiful soul. Well done Glenn. Keep up the good work. Warm Greetings from Brussels.

[@RT-vw6yw]

"I didn't want to be a black something, I just wanted to be me."

[@human.imagination]

I'm 38 years old. Every time I listen to you, Carol Swain, Thomas Sowell, etc. I find myself wondering if I should go back to school and continue your work in conservative thinking and intellectualism. Not sure if this worth my time or money.

[@thegreenhenryshow8809]

There should be more Conservative thought in the academic sphere.

[@randomlady6899]

Both academia and the black community really need more conservative voices. But it will entail a lot of sacrifices from you especially in terms of hostility from your own community.

[@classiqueliberal8576]

I don't know if a white conservative could last, but a black conservative might be able to.

[@human.imagination]

The Green Henry Show - what carol swain said about not wanting to be in any black organization has been MO since middle school. I swear my whole life has been trying to be seen as just Jerry. I have never bought into the “Carlton” stereotype. And I truly thought I had shed the stigma of being seen as a black guy. But here it is again. But this time I feel that what these folks are saying resonates with me so deep that I can’t hide it... maybe conservative is to harsh but I’ll definitely claim classical liberal.

[@thegreenhenryshow8809]

@@human.imagination I feel I can relate to you on some level. My family is Native American and they have tried to get me to identify as that in the past.

[@lindyscores]

wow. this is a DELICIOUS conversation. speaking authentically and honestly- keep it comin' epic humans.

[@cowabungadude7408]

The story she told of going to that little inner city black church was really moving. I hope that she will be a returning guest.

[@betbuk]

She brings a tear to my eye.... the Truth has a way of doing that to me! Thank you Lord!

[@begshallots]

Sorry: rough time-stamp? I might have missed that part.

[@billwilson5341]

@@begshallots 12:55 it begins. It's a great story. Please (re)listen.

[@ret1con]

I can always count on Glenn’s conversations to shock me out of my comfort zone. Mind blown

[@igelkott255]

Carol Swain is awesome. Thank you for having her on your show.

[@lbarnes8207]

keep speaking truth, carol swain. keep shining your light. may God bless you and protect you and your family. this country needs your common sense insights.

[@fraa888grindr7]

Glenn Loury's #1 guest - Carol Swain brought tears to my eyes as she stated painful truths.

[@julieredmond5192]

I love this conversation so much! I am so thrilled to have heard this! I love you Carol! And you too, Glenn. I am a regular listener. Thank you!!

[@oj-2258]

I'm not a college graduate, I never even attended college but I love listening to these discussions with Glen and his guests. These are the people who should be representing the black community not people like LeBron James and TI!

[@rogerward6383]

Our voice should only come from JESUS not unrighteous people nor should it come from left or right ideology wich neither can save you. Peace Brother

[@jennytr5056]

Carol Swain is a treasure! Thank you so much for interviewing her, Glenn. She is so genuine, and her story and convictions are wonderful. So glad this remarkable woman is working for the good of our nation. Also, her accent reminds me so much of my grandmother. I look forward to reading her books.

[@guywalsh3283]

We need Glenn on Joe Rogan Experience!

[@xkerchx]

100%. Who’s starting the petition?

[@human.imagination]

xkerchx how would one go about starting a petition?

[@renroca]

and Carol Swain

[@streglof]

together with John McWhorter

[@stylezNsmilez]

@@human.imagination I think you could just contact the JRE. I have mentioned it in the comments section on some videos but I doubt it will get noticed, perhaps as a top comment with 1k upvotes. Although, it would be a challenge due to the fact many people are unaware of Glenn and John.

[@deniseneukircher1383]

I’ve been familiar with Carol for a couple years. She’s amazing. And I hope her voice can be heard in the broader context. Her story matters. To all of us.

[@johnowen271]

" All of working together can only bring good to this nation" Amen!

[@hodge_feather]

Loved this interview! I can't believe I've never heard of Carol M. Swain before, she is so inspirational! "I love Donald Trump" (1:00:00) God bless her

[@carlscott4180]

She's a treasure. Only read one of her books, the early 2000s The New White Nationalism in America, and it isn't perfect, but her decency, charm, and unique intelligence comes through on every page. CS

[@Heart_filled_bot]

She is amazing. She seems like a genuinely good person!! Smart and patient. Hope I hear from her and strength. Another good interview. Thank you Glenn.

[@timffoster]

Carol - how refreshing it is to hear your testimony, your insights, and your wisdom.

[@tango400016]

Beautiful ending to the show too. Thanks for letting her have the last word

[@barrowmeoct04]

Although I'm from a different country, most of my life has been spent in the UK and a number of years as a young boy in Guyana, THESE are the kind of people I remember looking up to, stoic, thoughtful, authoritative. Of course, I didn't understand logic and, in contrast to it, emotionalism, but when I watched in the last few years, people of my own race preferring to exhibit the latter, I was pretty disappointed. Some people might call that self-hate, because it would appear that I am demanding higher standards of behaviour from my own race and giving other races a pass. But, in my brief experience of the schools in Guyana, and the general attitude of older adults in the neighbourhood, and from older relatives that were here in the UK when we arrived, we were held to very high standards, so to me it seemed natural that, generally, others would hold the same standards.

[@johnnymarshall5828]

I'm old now, but when I was young I got girls pregnant and let them have abortions,I regret that so much now, children are the reason we're here,nothing will give you more of a moral compass,And men need to stick around

[@CCinWheaton]

I love love love Carol Swain! I've been following her for years, so glad you had her on!

[@stevenmoore871]

I love Dr. Swain. Her witness! Her intellect. Her points of view. Her oratory. I love your accent! Thank you so much for your educated opinions and your participation with PragerU! Thank you for your steadfast faith in the face of stiff professional resistance!

[@AvenEngineer]

This is the first time I've seen an interview with Carol. What an inspiration! Thank you for sharing this conversation. Please have her on more.

[@LionKimbro]

“God removed my shyness.” I disagree with her too about a lot of things, but I really feel her dedication to God, human beings, and meaningful civil discussion.

[@freeindeed8416]

What do you disagree about? I’m interested in your perspective

[@ANM1836]

I’d love to hear Prof. Loury and a guest discuss the book “White Fragility”

[@Leadeshipcoach]

Me too! I am getting ready to read it. I want a better understanding of the author’s perspective. I have heard her on interviews....and boy!

[@kingkarl865]

I would love to hear that too. I’ve heard very few people of color actually give their honest opinion of DiAngelo’s ideas because it’s a book aimed at nervous white liberals. (People like me basically)

[@gg_rider]

Current episode: The Unraveling. Glenn and John discuss Robin Di Angelo's book, briefly.

[@freeindeed8416]

@@kingkarl865 Don’t be nervous and don’t listen to those who shame you for you race. Treat people fairly ✊🏾

[@robertwheeless3436]

Absolutely!

[@rashinn2012]

You (Glenn & Carol) are WINNING - because you are really helping me (white, 72 yo) to better understand and care about all of us Americans better. And giving me faith in our country - not perfect yet, but improving slowly.

[@spiderqueen601]

Forgiving and respecting Jared Taylor! That is one big heart, and broad perspective.

[@royclaire1]

There are these superior souls out there that take your doubting, troubled mind to something you hope exists. You wonder why you feel so touched and you realize it’s her unshakable faith. I couldn’t help but say my prayers tonight and I haven’t done that in a very long time. Feels wonderful too.

[@kamala80]

Dr. Swain's testimony touched me. Praise God!

[@donniebargo964]

Carol Swain I met you in Nashville a few years ago I was the dirty mechanic that held the door for you at the gas station I was thoroughly impressed with how you spoke to the young people that came in there with you I was always impressed with your books I did not know that's who you were at that time or I would have spoke to you

[@lavernegray4606]

I really don't care for any of her political views, but I appreciate her personal narrative of 'becoming.'

[@TheWatchmen001]

Oh my God, this is the second day in a row that I have watched a vid with ppl who are definitely smart enough to be lifted to such offices as prez. These two ppl are some of the greatest thinkers of modern times...

[@katiemichaelson5821]

Professor Swain, I'm honored to hear your words.

[@thecornypen]

She's got my vote for any office!

[@elan1071]

Great conversation! Thoroughly enjoyed the discussion! Thanks for bringing Carol Swain to your show. First time to actually hear her in an hour long interview. She is such a wonderful great person! Wish you had her longer, would love to hear more of her, with you asking the right questions.

[@ianburns6218]

All of working together, can only bring good to this nation.

[@angiesewtherapy6628]

Awesome interview with Carol Swain. She is so smart and I love to hear her speak. And her gentle kind nature speaks volumes.

[@markwoodson2020]

Ultimately we must hold fast to a universal moral truth.

[@leftybelle7022]

Wow. To me the coolest thing about this discussion is that though it was apparent that at points it appeared that each of you was somewhat uncomfortable, you pursued the larger goal, which was to communicate with each other. Having not gone to Princeton, Vanderbilt or Brown, it’s a privilege to get to listen to you both! Thank you.

[@seanwelch9421]

I had to pause it just to say Mrs Swain is a BOSS!

[@maxwellianmindfuzz3640]

This is the first time I have come across this woman and let me say how impressed I was with her. An intellectual with warmth and a way of speaking that is so down to earth. I feel like anyone would be hard pressed to not see their mother, or grandmother (no offense meant). A beautiful person with a great message. Stop identifying by race and find common ground. Well put I'm going to buy anything I can find of her!

[@garnettsean]

Love this woman's intellect and personality.

[@Charles-iw8lx]

I first saw Dr Swain on Mark Levin, I find her voice amazing. Please continue you message this was a beautiful listen.

[@chunkwobbler2544]

Both of these individuals are true gems, regardless of their disagreements. May we all be blessed with more people like them. That being said, when the truth comes out about what's really been going on with "the resistance", Glenn's brain will be spinning for DAYS. I look forward to hearing his take on it once the smoke clears.

[@markbrown1622]

This was an important and thoughtful conversation. Civil discourse should be our aim instead of the rising trend towards cancel culture, and eliminating other points of view. Thank you for injecting a desperately needed dose of common sense back into the world. Professor Loury, I am a new fan and thus also a new student. It was a joy hearing this refreshing and inspiring interview with Professor Swain. I have followed her work for some time, but was not familiar with her life story till today.

[@nancycrayton2738]

I love what you had to say about Stacy Abrams. I vote for people based on their values rather than their party. If they are Marxist in ideology, they will never get my vote.

[@leftybelle7022]

Nancy Crayton yes, They both made interesting points about Abrams.

[@MsGardener77]

She is awesome!

[@evehbuchanan-cates2519]

Dr. Carol Swain, you are fantastic, as always! I've read all your books and I love your interviews. Prof. Glenn Loury, fabulous interview/conversation, as always! Priceless thoughts.

[@Oldmaster51]

I believe that Christianity has been a detriment to black and brown people. Luckily the numbers show that more and more black people are leaving religion. As a black man people assume that I’m a Christian because of my background. I actually grew up near Roanoke College . Now I live in a predominantly black and brown neighborhood and I know that I’ve been treated differently because I’m an open atheist. I wish that one day humans will be able to separate from religions and trust in themselves.

[@martenscs]

There is no such thing as a human without religion. People will make a new one as we are seeing the the new 'Woke' religion. It is a part of being a human at this point

[@darrylburnette6887]

Chris Martens with all due respect my fellow human. You’re making statements that move the burden of proof on you. I can assure you that I have no religion. I was shocked to hear Glenn and his guest make several statements as though their statements are the “gospel”. I’m a very good example to refute that all humans have some sort of religion, not me. I also wouldn’t fall into the woke classification. Just a human who tries to think critically. While listening to Glenn I’ve heard several assumptions. For example the professor said that she was sure that she was treated differently because of her beliefs, but I’ve also heard Glenn say that one shouldn’t just assume racism because they experienced something. I didn’t finish the video, but from what I did hear. I didn’t hear him say anything about not making the religion discrimination assumption. Like I mentioned before as a open black atheist living in a predominantly black area. I’ve been treated differently because of my lack of religion.

[@fabbeyonddadancer]

I highly disagree in fact Judeo Christianity is more so needed within the black communities.

[@darrylburnette6887]

Fabbeyond Jefe good morning hope all is well, could you prove good reasoning to support your stance? Saying that you disagree without providing reasons why you maybe right is nothing than making a statement.

[@VernonTube]

She is a treasure.

[@kipcrew6163]

Love this. She’s got an amazing amount of guts.

[@burleybater]

That bit about how they don't want her success in life from low beginnings - to be a positive example; it doesn't follow the victim narrative at all. Carol destroys the victim narrative. Their outrage, and justifiably from their point of view, is that someone like her threatens the Victim industrial complex. A lot of money and a lot of jobs are at stake. Victim-panderers are the overlords who need victims to process. Without them, they have nothing to do. And what appears to get lost in all of this swamp-think - is the very idea that anyone anywhere who actually is or has been oppressed, can rise above this and become an autonomous individual. By being exposed to strong leadership and the inspiration of accomplishment.

[@billhollis3697]

Carol l love your transparency and convictions. You are an example for of us, thank you for being an advocate for American unity and fighting divisions!

[@cmcwoodard]

Oh my gosh she’s amazing. Wow I really learned a lot from her...I love the Glenn show... he’s also amazing

[@cypheir]

Thank you Glenn, for pumping out this incredibly important information at such regular intervals.

[@Samantha-pn4zk]

I like that her attitude has always been to actively pursue challenges. She was told her professor was “racist,” and signed right up for his class. Then she found out he actually just had high expectations of his students and she still kicked ass. It speaks very highly to her character and to her belief in her abilities.

[@et1016]

She is truly an amazing human being.

[@excellentlistner5925]

Thank you for having Carol Swain on your show. She is inspirational!

[@Leadeshipcoach]

Absolutely wonderful interview thank you Dr Loury and Dr Swain!

[@marycullinan5150]

A wonderful interview. I never knew about Carol Swain before but she is a wonderful insightful woman. She speaks truthfully, a rare virtue these days! I hope she gets more opportunities to tell her story and share her thoughts with others!

[@AbottNCostello]

Carol M Swain, thank you for sharing your experiences and what you have learned. I loved this podcast. God bless you and Pray you can open up the eyes of more blacks, and whites, and others to the negative affects of progressive liberalism on society and especially in educational institutions. God bless you Carol!

[@StillWatchInvestigations]

I like what she said about you can never know the whole story by listening to the media. We agree, We have proof of the media bias.

[@AbottNCostello]

And thank you Glenn. God bless.

[@coutureleotards]

Oh I wish I could have caught this live, two of my favorite people. Thank you both for all the knowledge you have shared. ❤

[@wayNAY87]

I am looking up her books. Nice to see a Christian attorney on here. Wouldn’t expect that in this forum.

[@markwoodson2020]

Right is right and wrong is wrong. No matter your race gender or faith, tolerance respect of freedom as well as agency as INDIVIDUALS.

[@davidowen74]

What a brilliant and resilient woman.

[@laughter95]

Her closing words were gold!

[@cassiecaradoc2070]

Hey, I really want to thank both of you for standing up to be counted and being a light in the darkness. I recently started reading Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States", and following along with "Debunking Howard Zinn: Exposing the Fake History That Turned a Generation Against America" by Mary Grabar, and I am amazed not as much at the historical malpractice of "People's History", but at the level of reach it has gained in academia despite the depth and breadth of inaccuracies in the work. How do we fix academia in the face of such willful rationalization to believe lies in the face of freely available truth?

[@LionKimbro]

26:10 You know- I think she actually COULD interview white nationalists. Daryl Davis (a black man) does it, and, while maintaining a respectful distance, he found that they were eager to talk and explain their thinking.

[@dr.vonslifeinvesting6485]

Daryl Davis is an interesting individual

[@patriciakohlhepp5258]

Nice to see two people have intelligent conversation.

[@TytonidaeBingo]

I love you both! A patriotic Muslim American is praying for both of you and our beautiful country. I think the Taylor vs. Loury debate would be incredibly useful.

[@hansvanniekerk768]

BRAVO ! Thanks for speaking with the adorable Carol M. Swain. And, Yes, it is impossible not to cringe a bit with her enthusiasm for Donald Trump. Still, she's a sincere soul. Come on, Glenn, invite JARED TAYLOR ! Make it difficult for him to answer your questions.

[@beatrix2803]

Thank you for talking to Carol Swain. I admire you both greatly!!!

[@GeoffBolen]

She made me tear up at the end.

[@TheManWhoTypes]

I love your accent. The sweet drawl of a southern bell. Thank you for speaking your mind.

[@therocinante3443]

What an excellent conversation!

[@bric6454]

So nice to hear them talk about God

[@AaronVriesman]

Thank you Glenn Loury for introducing me to Carol Swain. I will be looking up her books now.

[@patrickdonovan5507]

Your show has become my daily appointment video! All the best always!

[@edcroteau3237]

Thanks, Dr. Loury... another great discussion.

[@philipfraser604]

Carol M. Swain . You are wonderful and strong! You are fighting the good fight. We need to get away from this very destructive identity politics and I think Glenn Loury seems to like identity politics. Very sad if he cannot see what enormous harm that is doing.

[@randomlady6899]

What a dazzling spirit

[@r.c.7762]

Ms Swain is awesome, what a mind. Thank you for the interview.

[@gg_rider]

Glenn probably will never see this comment, nor Carol, but just to clarify, Jared Taylor's *main* focus isn't on relative intelligence (statistical, not individual or "all"), but on different peoples NOT getting along harmoniously, overall, generally, with exceptions of course, some very famous. On the intelligence question, he would argue that OF COURSE there are brilliant Black people, like Glenn, like Carol, many others. And that there's plenty of overlap in the middle. But it's not exactly equal overlap. These types even have a word for that, Talented Tenth. One other professional intellectual White racists who are a bit stronger than Taylor, wrote "get a Black friend". He said, one, for enjoyment of friendship and commonalities, two for basically cover. I would add that a BIGGER overall social factor than intelligence is the disdain for and hostility towards schooling. Whites had a similar anti-nerd viewpoint, but for Black people learning means submission to "white education" and especially "white teachers", even when most teachers in a school system are Black.

[@victorbrown3570]

Probably one of Glenn's videos that I most enjoyed. I do not agree with a lot of things I've heard Glenn say or that I heard Ms. Swain say. That said, I listened to the whole video. and I'm a regular Glenn watcher. One thing, there are others, I like about Glenn is that he is good at playing devil's advocate. But, I feel that from what I've seen he mostly interviews like minded people. I'd like to see more interviews of him with people who really are not, and who are not 'playing' devil's advocate to see what happens when he gets real push back to his ideas by people who are as passionate about their thoughts as Glenn is about his. I don't see why people get so upset when people like or dislike certain groups, people, food, music, places, etc other than what they like because of various reasons. It's like Coleman Hughes said in a previous interview with Glenn which was that he does not think there will ever be 100% equality. I just think that when you consider mankind totally agreeing, everyone falling in lock step on everything all the time this is just not going to happen. I was very happy to see lots of analysis of white people in this video as so many times I find Glenn and McWhorter, Glenn and Huges, etc do in depth analysis of blacks but superficial analysis of whites. Finally, Ms. Swain may be an expert, well, is an expert on white nationalism as she proudly stated, but she is not the only expert on the subject or maybe I'm missing something. Looking forward to the next interview. I might even watch this one again. A final word in reference to my mention of Coleman Hughes and equality. Ok, it may never happen, but I don't see why all things being equal, 2 people doing the exact same job, with the same qualifications, work conditions, experience, etc that one should be getting paid much more than the other- pay gap.

[@victorbrown3570]

@@richardbicker640 Facts are in little use these days but I'm old fashioned, yes, facts are facts. That said, no one person has all the facts, arguments , intellectual honesty, etc. Don't forget without emotion or with a lot of emotion a fact is still a fact. Finally, I agree with your comment and I would hope that Glenn would discuss issues with contrary thinkers who would not want to turn the interview into a Jerry Springer show. Appreciate the comment.

[@ladyesther]

Interesting conversation. I really enjoyed listening. It was really interesting when Carol talked about being shy. I can really relate to that as that has been me all my life. Shyness and fear can really dominate ones life. I am glad God helped her become and do what she was meant to do. And I hope I can say that also someday! :)

[@sshelver]

Awesome!!! So glad you had her as a guest on your show.

[@manonfc]

wow what a great interview!!! I love Dr. Swain

[@lawrencerobinson2350]

Yeah that would be nice. Professor Wilfred Reilly debated Jared Taylor at Kentucky St a few years ago. It's on KZbin as well. I really like Professor Wilfred Reilly and his work and the debate was somewhat entertaining. The Q and A after not so much

[@gloriamitchell3518]

Fascinating conversation . My mind is blown. So happy to have found your channel. Challenging content for me to absorb from Carol M. Swain; Almost unbelievable but I am intrigued to read her books.

[@ericanderson9012]

Glenn: "I'm not endorsing everything you're saying. I'm not countering everything you're saying..." Yes. This. The exchange of ideas - thank GOD while that freedom lasts!

[@ericanderson9012]

I ordered all of the books that were mentioned in this episode. Most likely, I will order more mentioned in previous episodes.

[@jonhepworth1674]

My book shelf is completely full. Books move over and make room for Swain.

[@pauljarski7590]

This made me incredibly uncomfortable. Thank you both!

[@freeindeed8416]

Can you expound? I’d love to hear your thoughts

[@pauljarski7590]

@@freeindeed8416 I’m flattered, but I don’t know how interesting my thoughts are. Dr. Swain strikes me as earnest and extremely intelligent, not like so many right wing grifters (i.e. Rave Dubin). I definitely disagree with her strongly on many things, but I’m glad to hear an intelligent person try to justify those positions. I think the obsession with left wing hypocrisy/excesses is out of proportion. No ideology has a monopoly on crazy lol. Dr. Swain isn’t crazy though. The part where my eyebrows really went up was when she declared her respect for Jared Taylor. Maybe I should hear him out as well as a matter of principle, but I’m definitely not there yet. I am totally unpersuaded by that worldview, and life is too short. Let’s mingle with those who think/look/act differently from us, not cordon ourselves off. What do you think?

[@freeindeed8416]

@@pauljarski7590 I generally agree with her. I think that her message would be particularly beneficial if put into practice, especially for the black community. Being black myself I really get offended by the identity politics espoused by many on the left, especially when they ignore the individual. I think that her approach might weigh a little heavy towards the logical for some. Many times people tend to examine things emotionally. As far as Jared Taylor, I’m certain that I disagree with him but I’m going to check him out all the same. There are some arguments that he presented via Dr. Swain that seem to have merit. I do feel that there are double standards in this country that should be addressed if we want to deal with things honestly

[@pauljarski7590]

@@freeindeed8416 I definitely can respect and share your distaste for identity politics. It can be quite offensive. However, I hope you realize that the adherents of this new religion, whatever it’s called, are a diverse group as well. I think most of them are well-intentioned, misguided people who don’t want to infantilise or demonize anyone. Their problem is that their worldview makes them see demons even where none exist, so from their perspective they’re being rational. Let’s not make the same mistake by treating such people as a monolith. I’m sure you know all this, but I think it’s easy to lose sight of, especially when people behave really badly. I’m curious which of Jared Taylor’s arguments, conveyed by Dr. Swain, you find meritorious. Coleman Hughes remarked during his first conversation with Sam Harris that Taylor makes the mistake of racial essentialism, same as the so-called woke left, but after that initial mistake his reasoning is sound. It seems to me that if you construct proper arguments based on false premises, you really haven’t put forth proper arguments. And some of Taylor’s conclusions are quite frankly repugnant.

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@@pauljarski7590 Thank you for the reply. I don’t intend to lump them all together. I think the difference between those woke extremists on the left vs those on the right is the fact that many of the things the left say are actually put into practice in some form. Things like changing high school names, or the Coca Cola be less white deal or the Dr. Seuss ban in Loudoun County, Virginia. These are extreme ideas. In reference to Mr. Taylor I’d have to disagree. I think that a argument bases in false premise can still have some validity. For example, the black people being shot by police argument. I think that Dr. Swain mentioned something about double standards. For instance a white person does something to a black person it’s a big deal. A black person does something to a white person and it’s hardly a story. I don’t agree with him genetically but societally he has some points.

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Glen, I would love to see you in conversation with Jared Taylor. Despite any personal disagreements with the man he does as your guest here says have some very intillectual and cogent points and it would be very useful in this ongoing conversation to hear someone of your equal intellect but differing in opinion trade thoughts and ideas. I believe he is endorsed by the hateful but he may be something altogether different again as your guest stated. Great talk again... Love your work

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I think they would agree on a lot of stuff. He's the least hateful person you could imagine. I happened upon him a few years ago and he completely dispelled the myth of the 'white supremacist' but rather exemplified someone who values tradition and community in much the same way Loury (and many others) does. Clearly we have a media who poisons the well for many thinkers that keeps people from listening to them.I've never heard Jared utter anything remotely rude, unkind or spiteful. Same goes for hiding people like Sowell, Williams etc. These are all well hidden gems by an establishment that seems to want only one perspective on everything.