Black Myth: Wukong should've won

[@jiangjet946]

Perhaps this is Wukong's destiny, whether in the game or in reality. TGA vividly portrays the rules of the Heavenly Court in Black Myth: Wukong.

[@creedly197]

true

[@bryandong]

You're right. 😅

[@stevenutuber8347]

Now I define this "lost in TGA GOTY" is a better thing. Because we will watch how Wukong destory this TGA heaven Court in the future.

[@einsteinalexander7187]

Yeah he fucked up celestial court badly.

[@samjackson1635]

A good reminder that innovation struggles within the confines of established systems, both in mythological and modern contexts.

[@IanLiew87]

As a Malaysian Chinese, growing up watching "Journey to the West" was a profound experience. This game is more than a game, it embodies the essence of our entire Chinese culture, from the Shaanxi tunes and the poetry accompanying every monster to the intentional use of original names (eg, Ba Jie) instead of English translations and the intricate details of every single weapon/equipment. Wukong goes beyond just being a game, its a cultural output and a bold statement to the Chinese government - which often overlooks the gaming industry. GOTY or not, I'm glad if any gamer around the world enjoys it in any sense. That's the only thing that matters.

[@jmjt3709]

As a Singaporean Chinese, fully agree.

[@yezih2694]

As a mainland Chinese, the Chinese government is doing fine on upbringing this massive country, it is not perfect, but it’s performance outshine any so-called democracy government of the west. So let’s leave Chinese government out of the game discussion.

[@yezih2694]

As a mainland Chinese, the Chinese government is doing fine on upbringing this massive country, it is not perfect, but it’s performance outshine any so-called democracy government of the west. So let’s leave Chinese government out of the game discussion.

[@yezih2694]

As a mainland Chinese, the Chinese government is doing fine on upbringing this massive country, it is not perfect, but it’s performance outshine any so-called democracy government of the west. So let’s leave Chinese government out of the game discussion.

[@yezih2694]

As a mainland Chinese, the Chinese government is doing fine on upbringing this massive country, it is not perfect, but it’s performance outshine any so-called democracy government of the west. So let’s leave Chinese government out of the game discussion.

[@umsurebobby8053]

Black myth wukong is probably one of the best mythology games ever made that is actually on top with god of war. Can't wait to see you do a mythology video about black myth wukong.

[@Arcticanine]

I would personally still stand with GoW being better, because Santa Monica Studios have 4 more games on Game Science and GoW was an effing journey. I'm sure if Game Science continue their rhythm, they can easily come on even terms with it on the basis of Mythological games.

[@shensahib]

@@Arcticaninethe entire gow franchise is tainted by ragnarok trashy endgame battle and confusing incomplete storylines. that is current status of Sony studios - highly expensive aaa investments, strong mature technical capabilities but mediocre storytelling - no ghost in the shell

[@GilbertTheGilbertGuy]

​@@Arcticaninegow fell off massively when it got turned into a 3rd person walking simulator

[@umsurebobby8053]

@Arcticanine I agree that god of war is still on top, but I think that Black Myth wukong would probably be my 2nd favourite mythology game franchise, just hoping that the developers cook for the dlc theyre making for an expansion for wukong.

[@Arcticanine]

@@GilbertTheGilbertGuy What...the...hell are these takes I'm hearing? Are you seriously suggesting that GoW 4 is a worse game compared to GoW 3 or its predecessors? Fair enough if you sincerely believe that, but I'm having a hard time comprehending and even extracting any meaningful content out of that. My apologies, I do NOT understand you. Thats all

[@Bonney-nz3qv]

It's good wu kong didn't win, it is so ironical, it perfectly matches with the theme, core ideal and message that the game wants to convey, not winning game of the year only showed it's worth I think.

[@chenchen9404]

you get it

[@Bonney-nz3qv]

@chenchen9404 is your profile Pic really you, if it is your really cute.

[@NighCraw00]

​@@Bonney-nz3qv smh lol

[@ammaranuar2544]

Its really not that deep bro

[@Bonney-nz3qv]

@ammaranuar2544 it is

[@ArthurJason-Constantine]

Wukong doesn‘t need any awards to prove himself.

[@hnrynova]

@@ArthurJason-Constantine all the money it made is proof

[@abrokeengineer967]

In journey to the west, Wukong was fooled by an invitation to the heavens, thinking that he has earned recognition and respect for his abilities, but the heavens just gave him a post of raising horses. Despite overwhelming praise and support from the people, Black Myth didn't get GOTY from the critics. Its like poetry it rhymes.

[@dylanchua5197]

At least it is the people's champion but yeah its the Bimawen situation again.

[@kennethlui2268]

Wu Kong won game of the year at Golden Joystick Award

[@khalidamajoud4114]

Voted by the likes of you, bots. Let's see the other valid videogames awards...

[@sorais8130]

@khalidamajoud4114 Astro bot do not deserve game of the year. Not against games like black Myth Wukong or final fantasy 7

[@XBOXisWeakAF]

[@clivir8809]

​@@sorais8130 cope

[@Zerfallen7890]

​@@khalidamajoud4114that's funny considering Astro Bot was also voted by the likes of people :/

[@ZayveeZaragoza]

Even the heavenly court exists in real life.

[@JasonZhang666]

GTA: I finally won,BMW BMW:This is only the first chapter of Journey to the West.

[@runningthemeta5570]

I know this basically will mean nothing in the end, but the game awards does not necessarily determine what your game of the year is. Black Myth Wukong can be your game of the year if you so desire it to be, your game of the year can even be a game that already came out and you only just got around to playing it. In the end, you shouldn't let something like the game awards determine how you feel about something.

[@需要為你哦]

True

[@ThomasMoore-qv4og]

it won players voice. People don’t care as much about GoTY because it’s a jury who decides, not the players

[@Arcticanine]

True, but I guess we sorta sway along the current when something completely unexpected happens from time to time. You can't always keep a mature attitude about something after all :P

[@johnathandoe6034]

​@ThomasMoore-qv4ogplayers choice is just a popularity contest... Always has been

[@ThreeKingdomsHighlights]

That's true. Wukong is my Game of the Year no matter what. Just felt bad for Game Science that they didn't get it despite so much love and passion poured into this wonderful game.

[@keshita2527]

In fact, Black Myth: Wukong has been suppressed and smeared by many media since its release. The media regarded this Chinese game as heresy because it refused to pay SweetBaby for the political correctness of the game. If Wukong truly wins GOTY, there will be a huge humiliation during these arrogant media. The award was originally prepared for Concord, so they find another game to celebrate Sony's anniversary.

[@unclekaz3153]

This is probably the most hilarious comment I have read on KZbin lmfao actual schizo stuff

[@keshita2527]

​@@unclekaz3153 You know nothing about ideology because your empty brain. Like a frog at the bottom of a well, thinking that the sky it sees is the whole world.

[@Qdrake]

@@unclekaz3153but it’s true, wukong was even accused of of mistreating there female workers with no proof but that lead to the game receiving bad press for a minute. It’s not a schizo rant if it’s true that the media was unfair to the game, I don’t know about the concord thing but if it’s true it absolutely should be reason to criticize the game awards, especially when the masses as a whole are critical and upset with the decision made.

[@unclekaz3153]

@@Qdrake if it was true, wukong would've walked away with nothing, but it walked away with 2 not-insignificant awards. This entire thing is manufactured fake outrage.

[@Qdrake]

@ by your logic trump shoudlve lost the election, someone or something can be in controversy without it completely stopping progress. How is it manufactured if there outrage comes from a logic place and they aren’t making things up, if anything the popularity it received is in spite of the bad press. I mean Malcom x and Martin Luther king weren’t both liked by the media till years later, does that mean the anger and hate people and themselves felt was manufactured.

[@hyperblox77]

Astro bot was a good game but it wasn’t on wukong’s level this game was so phenomenal and was sadly robbed of goty it deserved that award

[@qiyi8624]

Totally agree, I don't doubt Astro Bot as a super fun game. But for those who are seeking for a deeper cultural experience ,Black Myth Wukong is no way to be defeated 🙉

[@fc1TyPat]

I was literally on my knees with my hands on my head completely in distraught when I heard "Astrobot." Shoutout to the orchestra though, the music hit so hard when Black Myth Wukongs part came up. Goosebumps definitely.

[@babiliar9110]

That’s Chinese dev, hate by media…. What you expect…

[@johnathandoe6034]

Literally no body is hating china, quit making up shit

[@elvenalonly]

one thing I dislike about western media talking about anything China, is that they label EVERYTHING as CCP. There's no correlation between Game Science and the Chinese government, just like, say, between Bethesda and USA or Fromsoftware and Japan.

[@babiliar9110]

@@elvenalonly yup, they always talking about stereotype is bad but they just do that in front of us, publicly. As a media they can fabricate something cruel just becuz you’re in the land of CCP. 100% hate and discrimination

[@einsteinalexander7187]

@@elvenalonly true.

[@ArrivalheRe]

@@elvenalonly The real CPC is not what you think it is. It is so different from any other CPs in the world. One day you really learn about it, maybe you'll like it

[@Gunnar-Peterson]

Black Myth Wukong deserved to win GOTY

[@GilbertTheGilbertGuy]

Goty doesnt deserve to be given to Black Myth Wukong

[@Arcticanine]

I'd say so, not that Astro Bot is a bad game. As far as I see, both games were easily deserving of being a GOTY nominee but I think Wukong takes the cake here just because its so much better.

[@juanclaudio1103]

Not really. Astrobot is clearly the best game of the year. 94 metacritic vs Wukong's what, 80? Wukong was only nominated because it sold so much.

[@jmangames5562]

@@juanclaudio1103metacritic score means nothing. Only players scores and votes matter! Media is biased, all of them!!!

[@juanclaudio1103]

@@jmangames5562 media is biased? What about the Chinese players who all voted for the Chinese game? You are probably one of those fools who believe Sony paid for the GOTY award. Oh, and they also paid every single media outlet that gave Astrobot a high score which is.. literally every media outlet worldwide.

[@easonzhang1326]

game science just posted that they wouldn't have come to TGA if they knew the result would be like this lol, 100% on your side man

[@alfredokusuma9511]

Where's they says that??!

[@easonzhang1326]

@@alfredokusuma9511 i can't send the address, but it's on weibo, by the acount called "Yocar-冯骥", the founder of game science

[@easonzhang1326]

@@alfredokusuma9511 On weibo by the name of "Yocar-冯骥", the founder of game science

[@rockyshi9609]

@@alfredokusuma9511 weibo, the Chinese version of X. The core point is that he didn't understand the TGA selection criteria, and he felt that he came for nothing. The following is the original Chinese text, you can use translation software to read it TGA颁奖已经过去了一天，错峰出来说几句心里话，想着也许对某些朋友有用，毕竟昨天没机会上台说。 1 这次的颁奖典礼，恰逢我们发布了一个还算大的更新。对我个人而言，这个花了七年的项目，至此算是正式告一段落。 《黑神话：悟空》的四个奖项提名（最佳动作游戏，最佳艺术指导，最佳游戏指导，年度游戏）都是中国首次。最终拿到了最佳动作与玩家之声，尤其摘得玩家之声，让人欣慰。 但必须承认，有失落，有遗憾，更多的则是放下幻想。 今年入围的游戏都很出色，可我真没搞明白这次年度游戏的评选标准是啥，我特么白来了！ 2 从昨天到现在，我也从很多玩家的言论中看到了强烈的不满情绪，看到了不甘与不爽--大多用了幽默与解构的方式表达，笑死。 我完全能理解这些不甘，同感这些不爽，因为我知道这些情绪的背后，不是痛苦与恶意，而是自尊与自信。 如此自信却没得到他人的认可，有点脾气，很正常。 我其实……比你们更自信（参考我在知乎的第一个回答），年度游戏登台的演讲词两年前就写好了，居然没用上。 在这款游戏的研发过程中，很多同事没有我这么乐观。他们可能因为玩过了太多的中间版本，难免觉得这个游戏还有太多的瑕疵，也不大可能按时上线。 我在公司的一个主要工作，就是不断安慰他们我们已经做得很好了，产品一直在进步。 是的，你不能只在已经赢的时候才自信。 那不是自信，是对结果的复读。 今天输了，明天还可能会输，可那又如何？ 影响结果的因子太复杂，所以结果必然是不确定的。我们唯一能确定的是选择自己在做什么-- 做具体的事，做困难的事，做相信的事。 在做这些，当然应该自信。 3 有人说，一个从没做过单机的团队，做的第一款单机游戏取得如此的成绩，是一个小概率的偶然事件，未来也很难复制。 我想说这不是什么偶然，这是一个中国的文化，中国的人才，中国的营商环境，中国的游戏产业，与全世界的广大玩家一起碰撞出的必然结果。 如果没有早早就看到这个“必然”，我们不会如此坚定做出这个选择。这不是赌，是顺势而为。 游戏科学有幸参与并见证了这个“势”的开始，我相信未来一定会有更多的同行，给全世界带来更优质、更有趣、更自信的中国故事。 4 有一句几乎人人皆知，但很多人不知道来自《西游记》里的话-- 世上无难事，只怕有心人。 在我的理解里，这句话并不是说，只要愿意，任何困难都可以征服。而是说有了迎难而上的心态，那么困难与失败就没那么可怕，它们不会轻易打倒你。能与无法避免的难事从容周旋的人生，也会过得更加踏实。 因为难，才好玩。 5 为什么叫游戏科学？ 当我们决定用数学、物理，以及由此衍生出的基础科学与工程学去分析与解决具体问题，不搞玄学，不搞神化，不倒果为因，才能真正平视这个复杂的世界，看清那些遥遥领先的对手，究竟厉害在哪里。 如果有人不提具体问题，不讲论据与逻辑，却断言一件事情很难水很深，你也许应该考考他偏微分。 科学不是真理，科学是以实事求是的态度追求真理。 6 事实上，能做游戏，能玩游戏，已经是非常幸运的一群人。 这个世界还有很多根本没有机会玩所谓3A游戏的人，有很多没有使用过主机与电脑的人，有很多对现状感到彷徨、痛苦乃至绝望的人，有很多正在遭受苦难与不公的人。 我想，越是这样，我们越要去创造更好的游戏，创造让更多人感受到真、善、美的内容。 我一直相信，好游戏的最大价值，是让这个世界幸福感的分布更公平了。 路还很长，风还很邪，妖王还很狂妄，但我们一直在变强。 7 最后，希望黑神话的这个故事，能够给到某些还在迷茫中的人一点勇气，让更多在还在黑暗中摸索的人看到了一点光亮，然后以平常心继续前行。 希望大家都能继续怀着自信与雄心，保持勇敢、诚实与善良，踏实做好每一件具体的小事，坦然接受不确定的结果，一直走在取经的路上，直到生命的最后一刻。 就像海明威说的那样：这个世界很美好，值得为之战斗。

[@大雄超人]

@@alfredokusuma9511 weibo I saw it

[@whitecheeze_rf]

I mean looking at the juries who responsible for picking which game won from the nominations, not Surprised Wukong not winning, like IGN was the one that pushing about Wukong devs was "sexist" because they thought Wukong lacks of diversities and women cast, but in reality they just don't play far enough

[@JoelGarcia-lu3tw]

Does Astro Bot have female characters? Lmao be serious

[@digital_nex2247]

Or maybe it lost because the nominations were all good games?

[@whitecheeze_rf]

@@digital_nex2247 nah, now i'm sure of it, look at IGN video about 2024 best games, they even only put Black Myth Wukong only in the Honorable Mentions list, their biased view is real

[@璃月百姓]

Well, TGA giving Players' Choice to BMW is like they are saying: We fully notice you guys' choice, but it means SH*T nothing to us...(evil smile)

[@shijersey8336]

Ten years from now, I believe many players will still remember Black Myth: Wukong and might even call for a remastered version. However, that little robot mini-game will likely be forgotten, buried in the annals of gaming history without mention.

[@ChaDDonkey]

Unfair and Salty. Both can be good and both will likely be remembered.

[@SanuramSanu]

Hahaha no kidding

[@hayber6386]

It's reverse actually

[@Kashi-qo8ik]

Holy salt lmao

[@entertaingame]

Let's do a poll: would you be excited for BMW sequel or Astrobot sequel?

[@wackko300]

Didn't Black Myth Wukong won GOTY at the Golden Joystick Awards?

[@derekosgood3230]

It did.

[@wackko300]

@@derekosgood3230 At least it won some awards. Some of my favorite games didn't get nominated or won any awards.

[@derekosgood3230]

@@wackko300 Yeah I forgot it won players choice. That's a more important award to me.

[@digital_nex2247]

@@derekosgood3230ah yes the popularity award. i love wukong, but the only reason it won Players choice is because it’s a chinese game. same way why gacha games like genshin beat elden ring in 2020 at the players choice.

[@derekosgood3230]

@@digital_nex2247 Are chinese people not allowed to vote? What point are you making that the game is Chinese? Because I don't know any chinese gamers. Every gamer that I know who said Wukong should have won are American. It got the votes. It won. That's the bottom line.

[@UmbraMilla]

Whoever you think should have one (BMW for its amazing atmosphere and storyline, Astro Bot for its ease of accessibility and introducing a new generation of gamers to older IPs), we can all agree that a good chunk of the community would’ve lost our shit if Shadow of the Erdtree won. That’s all I have to say about that.

[@5AMACE]

Still deserved it more than astrobot

[@Arcticanine]

The way I see it, DLC should've had it's own award section as a dlc rather than GOTY. The DLC is easily the best game in the nominees, but it didn't win because its a DLC and the main game already got its glory.

[@justLoki356]

I haven’t played either of the games yet bc I don’t own a ps5 but I’ve watched the full gameplay of both and from what I saw I think BMW is PEAK ESPECIALLY THE SONG IN CHAPTER 2

[@AegisKHAOS]

Astrobot winning GOTY was not the worst thing ever. The game came out of nowhere and it was an unexpected hit, so I wasn't upset or disappointed. That said, I definitely feel Black Myth Wukong should've won GOTY over Astrobot. The game did more for the industry and the culture as a whole than Astrobot did, on top of being a fun game to play. The fact it came from a company that never made a triple A level action game and managed to pull something off that actual triple A studios somehow failed to do adds even more weight to this.

[@roastpork5437]

Black Myth Wukong got 7 nominations for BAFTA 2025 including Best Game category. So there's another award coming up.

[@air23zsl]

I hear you man. Black Myth Wukong is one of the best game in the whole game history. It is a combination of game play, character design, music, art, Philosophy, and sooo much more. Most importantly, it makes you happy, sad, and think about the world. This is the best game.

[@yiwang246]

Since there is already a "players' voice"... Does "Giving TGOY to something else" mean that "we decide to ignore players voice"?

[@bryandong]

You got it.

[@Arcticanine]

I guess so?

[@richaomai5436]

“we hear your voice,but it is unimportant”

[@einsteinalexander7187]

That's what TGA thought.

[@ThreeKingdomsHighlights]

Apparently for Game of the Year award, gamers' votes only count for 10%. The rest of the 90% came from the game journalists.

[@GreenVengeance73]

hey, at least the DLC didn’t win

[@skeletonking1]

True

[@LeaderOfTheLostSouls]

Nah I rather the DLC did win, people give it shit for being dlc but it’s a while game’s worth of content and work, and it’s amazing. But I wanted Black Myth Wukong to win, Elden Ring second tho

[@TheMythologyGuy1]

@@LeaderOfTheLostSoulsIt is indeed amazing but Elden Ring already had its deserved win

[@LeaderOfTheLostSouls]

@@TheMythologyGuy1 Yeah I know and I think Black Myth Wukong deserved to win, don’t worry I agree with ya lol but I think the next best choice is Elden Ring imo I didn’t play all the games tho so maybe they are amazing too and maybe I’ll check out Astro Bot too.

[@michaelgarner4423]

@@TheMythologyGuy1fax my guy

[@theDCDawn]

This just motivates me to continue to want to play more games, and replay black myth wukong until I platinum of course.

[@explosion5022]

I'm not an avid gamer, I have a friend who is that likes to show me game trailers. Black Myth: Wukong is the first game that speaks to me from the trailer alone when no other game has. I had high hopes, and they delivered, the game was crazy good and I especially loved the artistic expression. It didn't win but for me it's GOTY.

[@lilyzhao8977]

I agree with one of the comments that Wukong - the game did reflect the reality world which added more legend to this game.

[@AdenaKaiba]

"Truer words were never spoken" 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@CliveRosfield.16]

Great opinion piece video. I agree with you 100%. I hate the fact that they added Elden Ring DLC to some of the categories instead of a making a stand alone DLC categories! It’s disrespectful of other games that deserved to be nominated!! Grrrr

[@hero-1o894]

I would say the amount of effort put in a game like blackmyth wukong should be enough to give it game of the year in terms of art when it comes to everything from gameplay, cutscenes, hand drawn animations, esthetic, boss interactions, it raised the artistic pursuit for gaming especially the souls games, that i think edlen ring nightbringer or the watever its called looked like an entire new game, and now anyone who wants to achieve such feets cant slack off, but now they reward games (in my opinion) that are less, which is unfair for me, i know companies can make an astro boy, but not anyone can make a wukong game.

[@唐诗文-n6p]

最讽刺的是，最佳美术指导都没有颁给黑神话悟空

[@hero-1o894]

Yup, tru for that, too.

[@nathanial8587]

I honestly knew that either Black Myth Wukong or Astro Bot would win, so while it maybe been unfortunate that Black Myth wasn't able to get it, I think was a fair win and I think that's a good thing (Sidenote those two Muppets were great at the Game Awards, their humor is on point)

[@ETGamer-yl6dm]

BMW would not have won regardless, the game was going against the likes of FF7 rebirth and Metaphor. I personally prefer BMW over both of them, but undeniably it would have lost to those games, if Astro bot did not take the award.

[@Arcticanine]

@@ETGamer-yl6dm I can agree that too! Being a Metaphor fan, I knew it was not winning unless some effing miracle happened lmao

[@BadEnd98]

It's a pity, but remember in the chapter 1 animation: don't obsesse with that Kasaya, BMWK don't need it to prove something. It's the most profitable singleplayer AAA game in a VERY long time, which can guarantee the next one and hopefully inspire the industry to do more passionate projects like this, it's just oozed with love and passion with attention to details from the developers, it's absolutely fanservice because it's faithfulness with sourcr materials too

[@lxjilyfe]

as a Chinese i think it's ok it didnt win the TGA GOTY. ppl have their own loves.What i really love about Wukong is not its gameplay or graphics, is its background story. what they add new plots to the original story and it makes perfect sense the same time amazed me. the storys are just so good. anyways i really appreciate that you love our culture and spent time to try to enjoy it,thank you.

[@yzhang9265]

About TGA 2024, basically just WTF? You can gave GOTY to other candidates, it won't be that obvious that 'money talks'. It's so hilarious

[@MrBestard]

Choices A: FF B: BMW C: A and B Yes, Astro Bot

[@michaelgarner4423]

The actual choices A: Black Myth: Wukong B: Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth C: AstroBot D: Metaphor E: anything other than dlc Be thankful they didn’t give goty to dlc

[@秋分-d8i]

Astro Bot is a good game, I like it.

[@bahamut1169]

Black myth wukong is the GOTY in China tho

[@shensahib]

and latin america

[@qiqichen-zt8ig]

There are also Thailand and Golden Joystick

[@jovyrivera7055]

High amount of player votes and number of players shouldn't really be the basis of the GOTY. Astrobot deserved it lol. Also Wukong was the lowest metacritic score EVER to be nominated on a GOTY. Also if we argue wukong should win for specific reasons, well... Elden Ring did win but that was way back. So no for people saying it's rigged it is not. Also Baldur's Gate 3? it's also not combat heavy and it's not an action game. That said Wukong maybe good, but I think it is not better than astrobot. I mean Balatro, a freaking mobile game is there nominated. I actually love the TGA for doing that, they actually see games fairly.

[@helenfeng7263]

Wu Kong is a Monkey of Merit. Wu Kong response, "You can take your merits".

[@enjinium_024]

It was a shame that Black Myth: Wukong didn't GOTY, but I find it unsurprising considering how much controversy the game caused.

[@Gogeta1-eu5vt]

Video summary: "I like this (shows Astro boy), but this is better (presents the magazine)."

[@antagonist7]

For real he just keep repeating it for 15minutes

[@C3PO_]

You mentioned western players trying to find out more about the original _Journey to the West_ story after playing _Wukong_ . I saw some game reviews, e.g., IGN, criticised the game for not setting the scene properly for players who are not familiar with the story. I think Game Science did a good job with the little intro at the start of the game. What do you think?

[@alberthollow1786]

Should be expected from a journalist bum.I am surprised people still take their reviews seriously

[@Raven-The-Dead-guy]

2:29 and there's also two endings if I'm not mistaken

[@YSL8704]

Ngl, I think a game in the Black Myth: Wukong style with either Heracles or Thor would be fire.

[@nobody-yk2hu]

Personally I think a BMW style Egyptian game would be fire or any lesser known mythologies because of how many adaptations of Heracles and Thor

[@YSL8704]

@nobody-yk2hu I agree, but there really ain't that many game adaptions, or at least ones I know about, of either.

[@tonywyli]

Come on! They won't let a Chinese game to win game of the year award. It's not politically correct!

[@mortek1379]

Swen Vincke's speech simply becomes more precise with the GOTY result.

[@chatter4427]

I wish wukong won,but it made sense why astro bot won especially when you look at how the vote is done. It’s mostly gaming/news media analysts in their 30s or 40s from the west that loves old school platforms and enjoy casual games. A tribute to their childhood and a play style that’s more friendly to them is going to win over a game that’s a love letter to Chinese players and mythology fans. The problem I have is not rlly who won but the issue of representing of different backgrounds in the jury, Chinese media got 4 votes in total when the US and UK has over 40 votes by themselves. I shouldn’t have to tell you how much more gamers there are in China than the US or UK. And the players choice being only 10% was also not great imo

[@daniellymanmoore7517]

And the fact that Astro Bot wasn't even Top 5 Ultimate GOTY at The Golden Joystick Awards which was 100% based on a popular vote.

[@antagonist7]

Players choice should be 0% to be honest.. its going to be a popularity contest which is bad thats why the nominees for players choice are 3 gacha games eww

[@cece4358]

⁠@@antagonist7Then what percent should PLAYERS choice be?

[@antagonist7]

@@cece4358 0% unless all gamers play all the games that come out.. thats the difference between gamers and journalists, the journalist play all the high profile games that come out and rank them accordingly, gamers play only whats popular and stick to that and ignore all the other games.. so 0%

[@cece4358]

@@antagonist7You actually trust the opinion of game journalists? Have you seen IGN? The name "Players Choice" means it should be the players' choice. It takes away from the name if you don’t give players the full choice, you know?

[@kenjimiao967]

Look, BMW got the player's voice award, that means, The Game Award is nothing to do with player's choice

[@vcprovost]

Idk man players choice awards had a lot of Chinese games as the nominees... I'm not saying that china set up a bunch of bots and/or people to vote for game by them but... I'm not ruling It out.

[@saliver5909]

Lot of people are saying people's choice doesn't mean anything because of Chinese players, so we have nominees like mobile games. To that I say it is still better than a judgment system that's 90% journalists that supports Concord. Chinese players certainly are biased but the jury is much worse. Stellar Blade not nominated for anything is a proof to this. If Stellar Blade is goty nominee it has a good chance to win. Now I also believe player's choice can be improved. Mobile games should have their own category because they work differently. They have better communities and reward system that gives premium currency when they get awards so people tend to vote more. In my opinion it's not a Chinese player thing it's a mobile game industry thing. It's not fair to compare AAA games with mobile games and I agree to that, but it's not Chinese gamers' fault. Then the bot problem. To me it's more like a conspiracy because there's no evidence. Unless we have actual proof that it is going on and the culprit gets found out, I don't think this is a good reason to defame Player's Choice. With that said, I think the better solution is setting up a voting system that eliminate bots. That should be doable.

[@ChandlerBaze]

I was surprised but not disappointed with the result. I didn't play either game, but I think it is nice that a game as casual and lighthearted as Astrobot won, but I also think it would have been great if Wukong won. I'm just glad that FF VII or Erdtree didn't win, mostly because I don't want a precident of remakes or DLCs winning GOTY.

[@shensahib]

ff7 is a completely different game. only the storyline is kept, everything else is new. it’s unfair to treat it like regular remakes. not all remakes are the same.

[@弄内小新]

It won like a Tik Tok skit won an Oscar😂

[@michaelgarner4423]

I understand why Wukong would have been better, in fact I also wanted it to win But look at it this way 1. No DLC won 2. A game like Astrobot winning will tell greedy CEOs ( Sony) that we don’t want live service games but games like Astrobot and Wukong 3. Wukong won players voice which is basically goty but 100% player voted 4. Wukong won best action game so it did win some awards, I call that a W imo 5. The Golden Joystick awards gave their goty to Wukong but that was because it was also player voted too 6. There’s more award ceremonies coming that might also award Wukong goty

[@sammyboi8938]

Then that means we'll settle for mediocrity which is what Astro Bot is; MID

[@michaelgarner4423]

@@sammyboi8938 that might a only you and 3 other people opinion there buddy Also better than a dlc winning

[@sammyboi8938]

@@michaelgarner4423 Dude, the awards were rigged. Only the Player's Choice is legit. The impact BMW made is monumental and would've been the reason they've won had it not been the smear campaign and journos being, well, journos. But yes, DLC not winning is good (still am confused why it's nominated for GOTY)

[@michaelgarner4423]

@@sammyboi8938 there’s no argument on the batshit insane impact Wukong left (which is great) And yes journos definitely didn’t like it because of its “ lack of diversity” and whatever other bs they were trying to do with it, and anything else they tried to pull out of their asses But to call Astrobot mid ( which it clearly isn’t) is definitely a stretch and a very hot take But also remember that they could have not give Wukong any award, but the fact they did give Wukong awards tells you that they are not entirely rigged What was more rigged than that was bg3 winning best community support again, Hellblade 2 winning 2 awards, 1 that Astrobot clearly should have won, and another that she already won in 2017 (which imo Aloy should have won) and she won it again?

[@limchingcheang9062]

Black myth wukong create such a huge impact which is phenomenal. In terms of gameplay, music, graphic, and the message behind the story, no way astrobot can meet its height. Goty supposed to be given to something huge. Not just a ordinary fun game.

[@bigraga9-m6w]

now were on the topic of games such as thi id be fully up for it if the studio behind black myth wukong did a story based on more mythology characters like heraclues based off popularity and or magni or modi would be nice to go off it doesent need to have that same look or gameplay but idk mabey some aztec or eygptian game from that studio would be cool

[@thomasmorato5098]

1. Fully utilized the Dual Sense control that no other game did in the nominees. 2. Easy to pick-up for majority of players genre-wise. So it isn't limited to hard core gamers. Casuals can pick this up compared to Wukong or Elden Ring. 3. It isn't a DLC. 4. The game is properly paced and don't have sloggish mini games like FF7. 5. It appeared during the time Concord failed. It has shown what game is supposed to be. FUN. None of the games that are nominated is (while they are all fun) is closer to the term as Astrobot when you hear the word in 2024. 6. It has evoked the most nostalgia out of all the games here because while yes Astrobot is also an AD, it is full of heart and paid homage to many games. Especially Legacy of Kain, so happy they acknowledged that series. 7. Having more is not always better. It is how you utilize what they have. Astrobot doesnt waste your time. That's why I believe it won.

[@darcidious99]

I mean the reason it lost is cause journos bashed and smear campaigns the developers on false sexism allegations. The jury that comprises 90% of the goty decider is journos and corpos. Its why wukong won the player choice award, it means that it got the actual vote of gamers.

[@michaelgarner4423]

I’m don’t understand why it didn’t win best audio design because of that, but I guess it winning best game direction made up for it?

[@Ben-xg3tj]

Good comprehensive list about why Astro Bot won 👍🏼

[@czczfunfun]

“Fully utilized the Dual Sense control that no other game did in the nominees.” Is it supposed to be a joke for a reason for the game of the year?

[@thomasmorato5098]

@@czczfunfun its not a joke because it made it the most immersive out of all the nominees. Again, Astro bot did it best here.

[@mysryuza]

Wukong doesn't deserve GOTY, it deserves *better* than that. It deserved its fans and love, which is more than TGA can provide.

[@okog-jx3yp]

Nahhh wukong deserve game of the year

[@GilbertTheGilbertGuy]

The only reason i even watched the game awards was for the game trailers lol

[@coconut2.0]

This is exactly what yellowbrow was talking about.

[@wolfcryerke]

At the risk of angering a whole bunch of people, I get why Astrobot won. That doesn't mean I didn't want Wukong to win, because it definitely would have deserved too. My personal pick was Metaphor to be fair. The thing is that Astrobot is so much more accessible and connects a whole bunch of people even over generations. Easy and fun gameplay for the kids and heaps of nostalgia for the parents. I sometimes get the feeling my generation (30-40 y/o) still thinks games are primarily made for them. This was true for a big part when we were in our teens, but by now all generations are playing games, so it makes sense a great game that is pleasing to a bigger public will win over an outstanding niche game. This is why I have long since abandoned hope that any JRPG will ever win game of the year. That doesn't mean it can't happen, just that the odds are not good for it to happen.

[@秋分-d8i]

I agree with that Astro bot is good game for kids.

[@kururu5502]

In terms of games suitable for all ages, Nintendo has done a better job. They can choose the Super Mario Odyssey. Unfortunately, this time TGA Nintendo didn't even touch the edge.

[@赤心赤面]

Based on your logic, the award should have been given to Nintendo, not to some robot. However, in reality, Nintendo received nothing.

[@iBeatBoxz8]

Dig the Shang Chi jacket😂

[@xingw9358]

TGA: We game journalist does not care you palyer games!

[@DeathKorpOfKriegSoldier]

In my honest opinion, I think wukong should have won it im fine with astro bot, THO IM DEEPLY UPSET THAT FALLOUT WON OVER ARCANE

[@michaelgarner4423]

Arcane won 2022’s best adaptation Fallout was goated

[@DeathKorpOfKriegSoldier]

@michaelgarner4423 did not know that, I should do more research 😅 fallout was good, don't get me wrong, just not as good as arcane, you know?

[@Ben-xg3tj]

​@@DeathKorpOfKriegSoldierI feel like they recognized/saw how many people were upset with the Elden Ring DLC being nominated, and thought "Welp, if they don't want Elden Ring to win again then they probably don't want Arcane to win again." (Also to be fair, while I agree that Arcane is a better show. I feel like Fallout TV was a better adaptation)

[@gristlyknave831]

Haven’t played Black Myth Wukong yet as I was waiting for a physical copy before I bought it. But I’m glad to see a platformer win game of the year as I hope we’ll get more in this genre that aren’t just from Nintendo or indie games. I wouldn’t have been mad is Wukong won though it looks fun, interesting and well made. Other because of how the journalists and media have treated it made it root for it a bit. As long as Astro Bot or Wukong won I was happy

[@insanemakaioshin]

6:09 - It’s not accurate to the sequels. The proper sequel, allegedly written by the same author, Journey to the South, says that he is on good terms with the court and even help find the new thief of immortal peaches, with his daughter. Fun fact: They also wrote 2 other stories about someone else called Journey to the North and Journey to the East. The other sequel that came out over a century later, The Later Journey to the West, has Wukong stop his non biological descendant, Sun Luzhen, from wrecking heaven and sending him on a Journey with Bajie’s son, Sandy’s apprentice and the historical monk Dadian. In Buddhism, Spiritual descendant is someone who is neither a blood descendant nor a reincarnation but will inherit characteristics & destiny of their ancestor. Luzhen was born from a rock, became Monkey King, gained Xian immortality, worked for the court of heaven, ate the heavenly peaches, drank the heavenly wine, ate the Daoist pills, etc. The Jade emperor called Sun Wukong the same way he called the Buddha previously.

[@TheMythologyGuy1]

Is there anything you don’t know my guy?

[@insanemakaioshin]

@@TheMythologyGuy1 Not sure if my old comment was deleted or not, because KZbin hates links. I don’t know a lot of things. I just google things too much and watch KZbin. Kaptain Kuba did a theory video about Sun Luzhen being the protagonist of Black Myth before it came out. Google Sun Luzhen & you’ll eventually find a page listing all of Wukong’s children.

[@shensahib]

@@TheMythologyGuy1no he is wrong. none of the other 3 “journey to the” books were written by same author of JTTW. There is no such thing as “proper” sequel to JTTW. Even JTTW itself is a compilation and rework of folklore and mythology tales passed down for ~1000 years.

[@Arcticanine]

I mean, not that THAT matters much...the game being very close to myths is like one of the last priorities you should have. No game on Myths can or should be 100% accurate, because that will make the game significantly less fun to play. It's close enough, that it got people into it and I think thats good enough personally. Do appreciate the extra facts you added though!

[@bryandong]

I'm a Chinese... What are you talking about?! No~ No such things!!! 😵

[@saliver5909]

The TGA certainly is very successful, I mean successful in splitting the fan base. The pro DEI jury obviously doesn't want Wukong or any JRPG with pretty girls to win so they pick a game that is decent enough for fans to defend them. Instead of gamers all blasting the woke jury we are split, arguing among ourselves like Astro VS Wukong, or which deserves the goty more. Those fans supporting Astro Bot forget that the jury is made of woke media that supports games like Concord. I really want to suggest Astro goty defenders to buy all the woke games to support the DEI journalists.

[@Brohun-ik3yo]

I just got this game 2 days ago and it's got me really wishing the next God of War is in Chinese mythology

[@spencer7404]

Welcome to China someday, my friend.🤟

[@l.ignasio7326]

Both wukong/game doesn't need recognized from any god/journalist, he just wanna be a legendary/game everyone will remember.

[@thegromitmug137]

Celestial Symphony is one of my favourite peaces of music

[@Mrgokujr2012]

And now we wait for the Astro Bot GOTY Edition, with new outfits and extra levels.

[@nswlite9899]

I've played the free ps5 controller manual Astrobot game. and the VR Astrobot game, but not the one came out this year. And I've also play BMW. I think BMW definitely deserves the win

[@Floki_lucifer]

I totally agree, also what is your opinion on Okami finally getting a real sequel?

[@TheP2WGuy]

Agreed. Astrobot is a good game. But no where near Wukong

[@digital_nex2247]

quite the opposite astro is on par with the best 3d platformer games.

[@MinhTuHa-ry4fe]

I don't even know what is astro bot when watching the game award

[@unclekaz3153]

It's should've been neither imo, it shouldve been either balatro or metaphor refantazio

[@Evilnikki]

Cute jacket, it really suits you. Anyway I REALLY DESPERATELY NEED YOU to do a review on "Jentry Chau vs. The Underworld". The only things I have known about chinese mythologi is thanks to you so I really would enjoy your take on the show. I *loved* it and I hope it gets another season.

[@gerrelsmith0321]

Bro black myth has so many glitches and bugs and it doesn’t run smooth compared to Astro bot

[@williamtian566]

I agree with you , the black myth wukong give me too much in every aspects : Music , Scenes , Monsters , Architecture , Voice over , Story telling , Animations between each chapter . it's really a masterpiece .

[@BrettCaton]

I don't even like the game and i think it should have won. It's not something that appeals to me - I don't have much interest in any fighting games like that. But I can recognise quality. The fact is, even clips of game play are very popular on youtube. I really appreciate that the ending is not the real ending - not the best ending, at least. You have to go away and think about it before you realise you were tricked. It's also weirdly subversive. Monkey just wants to be free. The State demands that he kneel before it, or be destroyed. For something coming out of China to say "I WILL NOT" is surprising.

[@徐贤哲-b9i]

Then you should watch more videos to learn about China. What I can tell you is that the "China" promoted by European and American media is not the same thing as the China I see.

[@theOneRedDawn]

Blackk Myth Wu Kong had too many positive points to not win GOTY. The gameplay was Brilliant. And we had marvellous weave of stories... Wu Kong, the OX king, the rats, the Spiders... even Ba jie's story was superb. Aaaand... we got to fight in his stomach, not to mention the peak and disrespectful final Boss. Lots of gamers felt it outclasses the other nominees by a mile. I cannot fathom why it didnt win.

[@FANG3D]

While I was personally rooting for Wukong, I understand why Astrobot won. Wukong is more of a niche game in most parts of the world besides China especially since it was a souls like game. Astro bot reviewed more higher than other games, especially Wukong which was one of the lowest reviewed nominations. Also I don’t really consider popular vote too much since there is no real verification so that’s why you look at Wukong and its competitors you see a lot of the “popular” cashgrab games like genshin and zenless zero If popularity was what determined a a game’s quality then Call of Duty would win every year as well as other live service games.

[@huqiao]

Black Myth Wu Kong doesn't need that Kāṣāya. 😆😆

[@anshide]

This is such an irony, in wukong’s original story, it basically says wukong deserves so much more but “west” only give him the bear minimum 😅

[@萧奋洪]

In the Chinese classic novel "Journey to the West", the Monkey King was once appointed as the Protector of the Heavenly Horses by the Jade Emperor

[@ToQ_Ichigo]

As someone who voted for Wukong and 100% the game three times, I still don’t know which should’ve won. Astro Bot is probably going to be one of the last games like these depending on how Sony is going with its market. I’m really happy that lots of Wukong fans are chill about Astro Bot winning.

[@Seigfried_sigil]

I wanted black myth to win i hope they make games based of mythologies and if they do cultivation/cultivor novels like the chinese novels i read online like martial god asura not the manga verson actual novel i see this company having its own staple in gaming

[@richaomai5436]

Losing only adds to the legend of this story.

[@imtrash2812]

to me if wukong really win it's a slap to western games, that's why they try that hard to play down during the release date of wukong

[@Iskander67]

Very weak argument. The 2024 game awards finalists : Wukong (Chinese game) FF7 Rebirth (Japanese game) Astro Bot (Japanese game) Elden Ring (Japanese Game) Metaphor (Japanese game) Balatro (Canada). Barely 1 Western game. Anything else to say ?

[@hunshuiAlex]

@@Iskander67 🤪

[@derekosgood3230]

You make a great point. It did win win players choice. I completely forgot about that and that's actually more important to me lol

[@sidneylu7294]

It was funny that a Chinese Magazine on his hand, and his hair

[@user-tj3qy8ml1v]

it was a robbery. plain and simple

[@ngevacorp]

Your review deserves justice and ROTY

[@frasmonk]

sony was definitely involved in the ranking.

[@hayabusa09]

Rebirth was my GOTY. Not worried about the VGA.

[@pokegunaslan1642]

I LOVE YOUR VIDEO!!! I also voted for Black Myth: Wukong but I think I understand why Astro Bot won 1. It was a message to playstation & other big companies, that games don't need to triple AAA big-budget games to win game of the year. You can make a wonderful platformer 2. Even though Wukong sold more, I think more people could play Astro Bot. Like if this was a child's first game I think that's something precious 3. Astro Bot got a higher score on journalist site like Metacritic so yeah.. I will still stand with Wukong till the very end but GGs to Astro Bot

[@potassiumming04]

Because wukong will be forever against the heavens 😂

[@krokodil5131]

We all know damn well why it wouldn't win GOTY since the beginning. Heck, I'm surprised they even got nominated.

[@bigyoshi5170]

Yeah but Astro Bot had like Bloodborne stuff in it, the power of desperate FromSoft fanboys willed that game to win because of British Dark Souls.

[@hnrynova]

😂😂

[@hodgindaylon]

it's actually because Sony bought its spot

[@michaelgarner4423]

@@hodgindaylonthat’s a dumb take honestly If that’s the case then how did Xbox get awards then?

[@hnrynova]

@@michaelgarner4423 thought the other guy had bad but this just bad Sony bought the spot if they have more ps winners

[@darcidious99]

Wukong is more like darksouls gameplay wise, do you have braindamage???