Black Sails 4x9 - XXXVII - Group Reaction

We're on Skull Island in the penultimate series episode!!! And lots is going down with Flint, Silver, Rackham, and Woodes in Season 4 Episode 9! The Normies discussion and review follows the reaction!
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[@leahmarie112]

Watching Silver burn the world around him to save Maddie, and then watching Maddie calmly refuse to save him over her cause was brilliant story telling.

[@theblackwheelbarrow1562]

This show is criminally under discussed, it's amazing.

[@blueskybelyr]

I've always compared this show to a novel, because the first season really doesn't take any shortcuts in terms of developing characters in a realistic, careful way. The first season was slow, but Chris is right, when you revisit the show as a whole SO many of the most devastating moments are dependent on elements established in season 1. Everything from the environment to Silver & Flint's relationship, the impact of Vane on the collective pirate mentality, Eleanor's priorities, etc. This show is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else on television in terms of being a cohesive, compact, incredible story, and I'm mad it doesn't get the amount of exposure it deserves, but at the same time I feel like the lack of outside influences allowed the writers to tell the story they wanted to tell. (Social media really messed with how Game of Thrones, Westworld and more turned out.) Oh MAN I LOVE BLACK SAILS. I remember watching the finale 3 years ago and losing my freaking MIND, it was such a fantastic ending for everything they've set up! You guys are going to love it!

[@Phizzo4real]

@@gemelwalters2942 yeah, Got got away from dialogue-centric to Epic-centric because the writers felt they needed the epic to meet the moment.

[@adonisendymion2480]

The last two episodes of this show are pure buried treasure. Some of the best dialogue, character arc conclusions, acting, music, cinematography. Everything.

[@shivpatel1002]

This is easily one of the best episodes of television ever.

[@masamune2984]

You are completely, 100% NOT wrong.

[@sealofapproval637]

Anyone else notice that Flint’s story to Miranda in season 2 about his alias’ name sake Mr Flint also applies to Silver? “it was as if the sea conjured that man up out of nothing...”

[@corndog4848]

That’s such a great observation. And it adds the Flint’s inherent fear of Silver’s lack of motivation from his past.

[@DrippyIska]

every single scene in this episode is just perfect, the dialogue, fight scenes and the visuals. The scene between Madi and Rogers is probably my favorite scene in this, I love Madi so much

[@Triskaan]

Yeah.... I know it's a vain pipe dream but I still hope this show will reach the success it deserves over time and people will eventually list it among the greatest masterpieces of TV of the 2010s.

[@OhioOwns]

Breaking Bad, Vikings(during Ragnar times, at least) and this are 3 of the best tv series ever produced imo

[@Triskaan]

@@OhioOwns Add The Expanse to the list. :) And Mr Robot !

[@OhioOwns]

@@Triskaan word up. would say Game Of Thrones too, but the ending was the very epitome of 'gayness.' ruined the whole damn thing.

[@grippingrope9937]

@@OhioOwns Unpopular opinion but Game of Thrones was mostly trash after Season 4, however the first 4 seasons were easily some of the best, if not the best, television ever made. Sadly the second half of the show lets it down too much for it to be in the masterpiece category

[@BhBc8f8]

@@grippingrope9937omg I see this comments all the time. Just because it wasn't as good doesn't make it "mostly trashy". Words begin to lose it's meaning when people overuse it. It was still phenomenal TV with okay storytelling. S8 however was the obvious exception.

[@dwnkaomwn3953]

The actor behind the Samurai pirate had the easiest roles on the show. He didn't have to say nothing.

[@corybay993]

I love when The Normies and Blindwave acknowledge their existance, it is like Flintstones and Jetsons crossovers

[@theodoram7998]

It's crazy to me how even though Flint and Gates knew each other from the beginning Flint didn't hesitate to kill him when he tried to stand in his way. On the other hand he's known Silver for less than a year, Silver is actively trying to sabotage his cause, undo everything he's been fighting towards for the past 10 years and still he couldn't kill him. He literally shot his only ally on the island to save Silver's life, even after the betrayal.

[@Avocado11]

29:29 Madi was backing Black Lives Matter while John was going for Black Wives Matter.

[@Syndor12]

As if anyone needed anymore convincing that Flint was a certified badass... Pretty much single handedly defeated some of the best fighters in the show, one by one.

[@BhBc8f8]

Not blackbeard

[@Syndor12]

@@BhBc8f8 because he was severely malnourished and in a weakened state. Even so, I was talking about episode 9 in particular.

[@jobhabraken445]

This episode was one of the best episodes I have ever seen of any tv show. Just the constant tension! The cinematography, music and dialoge is amazing! It's really good to see you enjoy the show so much!

[@KyleS3m3noff]

It's been great watching you get completely engrossed in the show despite your early reservations (and appreciate your acknowledgement of everyone's advice to stick with it because the slow build WILL pay off). It will probably never gain the mass audience it deserves for the same reasons no one was watching ti while it aired, but there's no denying it's one of the greatest TV shows ever produced - damn near perfect by any conceivable metric you care to measure it by. As for what comes next? I think it would be really cool to maintain a theme and dedicate this slot in your schedule to one of the top-tier genre entries of the past decade or so that may have been unfairly overlooked (much like this was due to GoT being on at the same time). There are so, so many absolutely amazing high-end productions in the genre area that AREN'T sci-fi, have smaller runs of 3-4 seasons and never got the audience they deserved for whatever reasons. In most recent years there has been Banshee, Strike Back, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, Warrior, and so many more. Go back a few years and you've got Spartacus (another example where you have to get through a truly awful pilot and a couple of episodes of set-up, but if you aren't fully onboard by the mid-way point of season 1, there's something very wrong), Justified etc . . . and then if you go back a little further you have Deadwood, Rome, The Wire, etc. So yeah, that's my vote - keep the slot genre, keep it under-appreciated, keep it prestige production values. Please?

[@sandyemile1001]

Banshee is a great show!

[@blueskybelyr]

I would lose my mind if they did Spartacus, oh my god, what a fantastic show. Another case of Starz coming through with an unexpected hit.

[@KyleS3m3noff]

@@blueskybelyr Spartacus was *amazing*. Another example of a perfect final episode. And considering the turmoil and tragedy the show went through, it's a minor miracle they achieved what they did.

[@KyleS3m3noff]

@@sandyemile1001 it really was something special. Between this and Outrageous Fortune (a very popular NZ show where he played twin brothers), Antony Starr was my choice for Moon Knight whenever Marvel eventually got to him. Now he's on The Boys (and showing everyone exactly why he was my choice for MK, I might add), it'll never happen. But a boy can dream.

[@ATC43]

Ugh I would kill for them to finally watch The Wire.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

yea Black Sails is really hard to get into early on and that is why it's not more popular, I think people give up early. But when you stick by it, it's just one of the best shows of all time. Easily in my Top 10 favorites. It's just fantastic and contrary to other shows, it gets better and better as it advances and they manage to stick the landing almost as well as Breaking Bad.

[@chasecarmichael8572]

16:06 lol that’s funny coming from Pat considering we could say the same about him

[@JS-ct3kr]

The show as a whole is amazing but these last two episodes in particular are the finest hours of television I've ever watched.

[@An3wutube]

Look at the map of Treasure Island. Now pause the picture of Skull Island. Turn your head upside down to be surprised.

[@tkeez]

I don't get the silver hate. Flint shooting Dooley is both a show of what Silver means to Flint but also of how disposable he sees his men. Dooley was loyal and risked it all for him and he killed him no question. Which is what Silver was just saying. He both proved Silver was his true friend and proved Silver's point. It's beautiful writing. Neither is right. Neither is wrong.

[@kalandkarazor-el3088]

Incredible television right here folks No matter how many times I see this episode it's still amazing. The music, cinematography, dialogue, and action are all on point

[@TheGeorgeGraves]

Oooooooo shit, next episode’s speech tho? Fantastic reaction as per usual from the crew at Normies 👏🏾

[@xderyck41]

19:15 How it is this emotional? GREAT writing, it is also the most representative show I've ever seen, bunch of LGBT and really powerful women and they just are, they just exist and stay true to themselves, that's one of the reasons I f'ing loved this show, it is PERFECT

[@eskayh7734]

Silver has seeded parts of his past throughout the series. Y'all might wanna do a rewatch on your own time studying his character in particular. I find him severely misunderstood in the fandom partly because of a vaguely referenced backstory and also because he went against Flint who is very much beloved.

[@williamjharrisfilm]

Easily one of the best shows in recent years! I binged it all a couple years ago but still find myself thinking about it & the world it created.

[@surajeshwar649]

This episode is the most finest hour of television...

[@madrazz8888]

I can't believe none of these people understood what Eleanor represented during the Woodes and Madi conversation. Woodes' hatred was completely unleashed after her speech. I thought that was obvious.

[@sarahcoleman9912]

Flint and Silver’s friendship is beautiful. And Billy was so afraid of what Flint was doing that Billy ended up being the cause of so much death. And on the 😂 side, “Hold nothing back Flint he has one leg.” Has me dead

[@simiankleurde1544]

Did you know that the Attack on Titan dub is actually pretty good? Oh yeah, and Black was filmed in Cape Town, South Africa.

[@simiankleurde1544]

Yeah, I changed it up.

[@BhBc8f8]

Good is a strong word. Erwin and Levi's VA are phenomenal. I can't stand the rest

[@pcgaming4944]

probably my favourite episode

[@SpeedyCat19]

Joji :'(

[@Thenormies]

Pour one out for Joji

[@apeflight5553]

One of the, if not the best, character with no dialogue in a TV-show.

[@Ari33sa]

Chris put it nicely: He was.... so cool!

[@KaregoAt]

Oh fuck, I was frantically searching for the final reaction and then it occurred to me to check the upload date :'D ya'll you aren't ready for it, this show is so good!!!!!

[@Mortismors]

Black Sails is one of my favorite shows of all time! Normies should be watching Misfits another of my favorite shows.

[@KyleS3m3noff]

Talk about tonal whiplash going from one to the other! 😂

[@efancording6363]

Misfits takes a nose dive after Nathan leaves, and an even bigger nose dive when Simon leaves

[@hannestoewe9699]

Loved watching your reaction to Black Sails, this is one of the best TV shows. Maybe you guys should have a look at Babylon Berlin as a new show to start.

[@Jukettaja]

Love your reactions. Such a varied group makes for fun moments and discussion. One of my favourite episodes as well. I would have employed some audio balancing in this video. I don't understand how your editor does not lose their hearing at the beginning or anytime Pat yells into the microphone. Having to turn down the volume constantly during the video makes for a tough viewing experience and audio is the most important part of any video.

[@bushidoblvck_]

Here’s what Jonathan Steinberg (co-creator of Black Sails) had to say about John Silver’s past: “It’s been a conversation since the beginning; we’ve always defined him as someone from nowhere. That is the counterpoint between Flint and Silver - where Flint is so thoroughly defined by a backstory, he was going to be attracted to and be undone by someone who comes from the opposite place. It was not credible that he didn’t have a story. There’s a hint that wherever he comes from is pretty dark. It felt right to not put words to it. It was so awful, it was something he couldn’t speak about. That that’s all you need to know. It meant more in relation to him and Flint. In a subtle but powerful way, they see the world and themselves very differently.”

[@guardian35]

So...can you like...do the Finale already? ...because I Can Not....WAIT!!! OMG! I know I'm gonna Cry again. These last 2 episodes are Television Perfection and the kind of story telling other shows could only Hope for.

[@CounterBoredom]

This show is a real masterpiece and I'm sad that they not do also all the Treasure Island part

[@jaimebergner]

Thank you for reacting to this underappreciated show? It's been a pleasure.

[@Jukettaja]

In the scene with Woodes Rodgers and Madi, Eleanor represents Woodes Rodgers' restraint. As long as she is present, he is listening to her by offering Madi and the slaves the treaty one last time. As soon as Madi refuses Eleanor disappears and Woodes Rodgers' anger is let loose.

[@alicethompson1385]

Iam really happy that you guys are really getting into black sails, it's the best tv series ever & your rite season one was slow, but I'm glad you guys stuck with it! I really can't wait for your reactions for the last episode it will blow your frickin minds!😂😉😱🤔👍

[@jiminsjimjams9477]

The creators of the show have said that Flint and Silver also had feelings for each other (at least that's how they were telling the story). The network wouldn't let them do as much or be as explicit as they wanted with it though.

[@moomoopuppy508]

In "The Pacific", it was sad the one Greek/Aussie girl didn't want to "BOO-UP" with that one soldier because she thought he might die in the war. I thought it was Flint too.

[@aurorauplinks]

wow what a start... you know what... that would be a fascinating sci fi show, about space pirates, and call it "we are black", refering to thier pirate status and black flags and blacklisted on most space navies lists for their ships profile and name... and make it like this intensely wild show and give them each good personalities and just have two different styles of episodes, the ones for youtube, and then the occasional episodes between the more intimate relationships amongst the crew for... well you know... *cough* ... amazon... yea thats the one i was thinking of

[@JustTechGuyThings]

Speaking of Bear McRary.... Battlestar Galactica.

[@kristopherspence8053]

When you were talking about Bojack you mean BoJack Horseman the show because I wanna look up that quote?

[@jeremyparry3175]

Talking of the Wild West, I would love it if you did Deadwood , although you've probably seen it already. How about Hell on Wheels or Godless? Both great shows imo.

[@tevinhouse2764]

Ive said it before and ill say it again. Flint Is That DUDE.

[@elite_rock_god2292]

"hello! We are black!" 😂😂😂 love it haha. For real tho, do anyone know that samurais name? Dont think we ever hear it in The series. He was fucking dope with the sword tho.

[@mattbergy8363]

He's called Joji, his name is actually mentionned in season 2. And yes, he's pretty badass.

[@elite_rock_god2292]

@@mattbergy8363 ah man thx! Never new ypu could be so imvested into a character that never even says a Word 😂

[@wolflordgio6320]

Flint And Silver = Ragnar And Athelstan

[@aimeeck]

omg... I love you for this comparison, oh stranger on the internet.

[@BhBc8f8]

Gon and Killua? 😜

[@youhavemyaxe]

Another show with great dialogue is Justified, check it out.

[@els6052]

After you end this, you should watch The Last Kingdom, is sooooo gooooood!!

[@aurorauplinks]

.... the black flags? oh walruses... fine.... although you should consider calling yourselfs the "black banners" for a future group watch of some pirate show or if thiers ever a black guy playing the incredible hulk... or his son... bruce banner could have a son.... now there is a movie idea

[@krystala6300]

Rana's cat is so cute!

[@wisewolftony]

Their isn't really a single character I consider good or bad in this show. As all of them made the most rational choices to them. Like Woods Rodgers. Sure you can say him bringing the Spanish killed her. But he had a plan and he would have never had to go ro them if it wasn't for the pirates. And right his only options are to get the treasure. Or be fucking screwed even if he survives he will be thrown in Jail for the rest of his life. And yet he's still trying to find a solution that isn't terrible when he doesn't have to.

[@efancording6363]

I'd say Jack is the most morally pure character? Not saying he's a saint or anything, but he's pure compared to what most of the other characters have done.

[@Lfeodorovna]

seasonfour really is the best!it's still crazy how every season's better than the last i swear that monologue from queenmadiscott is the best of the series y3ni hearing it again right now really has me feeling some type of way i've always really liked pat i agree with him when he's pissing off all the other fans some of the time but him going madi die woodesrogers was not the only one responsible for the island getting razed or her death eleanorguthrie felt entitled to everything and that she could have everything jamesflint and her made this awful lastminute deal and she just expected everybody to go along with it

[@noranow9531]

What happened to money heist?

[@tommorgan7599]

Crazy idea, why not watch the show instead of your phone?

[@FullMetalB]

When does this show get good? Like, into season 4 does the writing, the dialouge, acting, any of it get better??

[@alexc119]

halfway through season 1

[@FullMetalB]

@@alexc119 oh....yiiikes.

[@ms_scribbles]

These reactions are improved greatly when you mute Pat every time he opens his mouth. (Sometimes Marketa, too, but only when she won't let shit go. Otherwise, she's alright.)

[@itzham1101]

Where's Letterkenny?

[@chktkart8540]

Replace it with OUTLANDER.

[@luisortega5346]

Shale, porque no vi esto antes :c llegué demasiado tarde

[@allbies]

Was Silvers reasoning part of what this episode showed us though? He wouldn't let Flint in on the specifics of his past, and maybe that's what swayed his decision making emotionally and had him acting stupid the last couple of episodes

[@wisewolftony]

Maybe I always thought that maybe in his past he had someone he loved but some decision he made lead to him losing her or choosing something over her and that he swore to himself if he ever had to make a choice again that he would go with the women he loved. Which if that was the case it would make sense as to why he didn't want to tell Flint. Because could Flint truly trust someone who would put something else before the War. Sure Flint knew he loved Madi. But not sure he thought he loved her deeply enough to chose the her over the War and the treasure.

[@kind12TheAnewz1]

the big reason Silver went to fight Flint at the end is because with Flint killing Dooley, it's yet another ill-fated partner Flint has killed to further his own agenda. Maybe Silver would've thought a bit longer if it wasn't the one man Flint used to betray the crew, but with that, Silver just sees his reasoning fully justified.

[@dodapictures2141]

NO ONE IS ON TEAM FLINT ANYMORE YOU FOOL BROWN PAT

[@juanitajones6900]

I think you guys are full of shit. Surely you understand what it means to be in love. Most people in Silver's position would make the same or similar position. It's possible that Madi didn’t love Silver the same way he did her. Or would have been willing to sacrifice or betray for the life of a loved one. She is too political. Silver loves Madi more than anything. He was never political on the same level as Madi or Flint. And the latter had started this war because of the losses of 2 people he loved. Sliver loved Madi more than anything. Flint understands this, but has no real compassion for Silver's feelings. And either you guys don't understand or you don't want to understand for the sake of the story.

[@jully1456]

soo... the 100 please