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@G0ldmoon Жыл бұрын
Your initial project was amazing because it was done with tools anyone could have, craft knives and such, foam. I ask in future projects you do Both with your best tools, and with your older tools, like sponges and craft knives instead of hot cutters. making your project approachable is part of what makes it special, but also its hard to see how much is experience & skill and how much the improvement is skill. also it might be cool to have a stopwatch, and time yourself, so people can have a clue about how much time they will need if they want to approach this too. I made foam dungeon tiles myself, as well as 3d Printed, and cardboard and the crafted tiles are much quicker than the 3d printer... and maybe many people would be more interested when they realise a project like this can be done in under an hour for maybe 18 tiles.
@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Жыл бұрын
@@G0ldmoon I already made them with basic tools....
@G0ldmoon Жыл бұрын
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial I mean after all these years, or would you say, as hinted at in the video. Its not broke, so nothing to fix, and you wouldn't change a thing?
@paulvandekamp6774 Жыл бұрын
On mobile when you look at the comments, the last part of this message fall off, so it's another click to expand the comment before people can click the link. Figured it might be nice to know since people are lazy ^_^
@joshwadsworth7058 Жыл бұрын
A revisit to pillars/obelisks would be a great return to the origins!
@pez5767 Жыл бұрын
I actually really like seeing you revist a project. Too often, the information regarding craft on KZbin either focuses on total newbs or hobby-professionals without accounting for the most important parts of the hobby, which are growth and enjoyment (imo). Your last few videos have really focused on the growth aspect of the hobby, which is a joy to see. How about revisiting more hobby staples like trees or fallen log debris (scatter). The little armor stack in this video you had at the end was rad!
@DanaHowl Жыл бұрын
LMAO I can't believe we both published our "back to basics dungeon tiles" video within 24 hours of each other, must be something in the air up here in Canada! For real though, love your results! Embedding those extra bits plus the way you painted them really looks sharp!
@hobbytyrant Жыл бұрын
As a viewer of both channels I was actually wondering if it was a conspiracy or some Canadian holiday or something. "Dungeon Tile day".
@jwraper1498 Жыл бұрын
What channel? Gotta promote yourself so people like me can find you! 😊
@dustiiyork3907 Жыл бұрын
@@hobbytyrant same I thought it was a tie in Collab, but just a happy coincidence 😂
@heehoopeanut420 Жыл бұрын
Yes!!! I had to give the thumbnail a double take, I was like "I just watched Dana's video last night, how did she.... OHHHH"😂
@VAB0L0 Жыл бұрын
Legit surprised there wasn't a reference to your video, I thought this was a planned thing coming into this!
@Xenwing Жыл бұрын
Wow. I remember that video, you have came a lot way since then. Thank for that video and every one you had after that. I don't craft, play any D&D or anything like that. I just love watching you build stuff from nothing and it's amazing. Thanks again for the 3x3 videos you did for everyone.
@gutterspeak Жыл бұрын
Yeah, but those videos are on his Onlyfans xD
@brendanarmstrong7802 Жыл бұрын
8:00 - I highly recommend all of the liquitex improperly-cooked brown inks for stone builds. Raw Umber, Raw Sienna, and Burnt Sienna are fantastic in tandem for adding variety to stonework.
@Jenthura2 ай бұрын
improperly cooked lmao
@fightingcorsair7297 Жыл бұрын
Those look fantastic. I love the idea of embedding little bits of scatter into the tiles themselves.
@gregmccormack5709 Жыл бұрын
Love the revisit! I for one would love to see you do another kind of cool doorway/archway. Every time you make one it's amazing. I feel like you can never have too much variety, your metal door from way back was sooo good.
@dawnjackson5773 Жыл бұрын
I just rearranged my craft/game and was looking at all the tiles I have made and stuff... And I was like Damm these look so good still...
@denisemayer9698 Жыл бұрын
Made the original tiles for my oldest grandson... had a ball. Then saw your Underdark terrain, so made some for one of my grand-daughters. You are a total inspiration. Love your videos. Keeps my mind active and my hands and imagination on the go. Thank you.
@calebredfield Жыл бұрын
Around 4:05, it might help to put a quick mark on the bottom side of the foam (that glues to the mdf) so you don't accidentally put the tough side down.
@sergiomasciocchi1284 Жыл бұрын
I saw your original video and decided to crete some for my homebrew. I was super nervous because it was the first time the game was going to be played but to have the tiles to convey the atmosphere of the game helped me a lot that night. Excellent content, compadre!
@CronosVids Жыл бұрын
You’re such a great guy with a genuine personality. Doing things that you like to do and taking us along for the ride. You are an inspiration.
@NorthToSouthChannel Жыл бұрын
These exact tiles are what got me inspired to create my D&D terrain pieces!!! I ended up giving them away to a friend who is much more invested in his campaign, but that also gives me the excuse to make them again... and just in time for the new tutorial!
@alinds1 Жыл бұрын
It's been several years, but your original dungeon tiles videos were what got me into terrain building. PERIOD. Thanks for that, and for the fun revisit!
@rollednatural20 Жыл бұрын
I LOVE that you are doing these re-visit videos. We all learn new stuff and think "I would do 'X' differently" and now you can show us the wisdom of that learning. Thanks for sharing! Looking forward to more.
@xzakt7775 Жыл бұрын
I dont even play table top games, and you got me into crafting stuff for them. Love the content.
@danmclean7375 Жыл бұрын
Dollarama, coffee can full of stones, a rock, and hotglue - ❤timeless. 😄👍Loved the idea of mashing bits into the foam - very clever.
@PatGilliland Жыл бұрын
Scratchbuilders Mecca
@Philippegach Жыл бұрын
Your first tiles were the thing that sent me into the rabbit hole of crafting my own pieces. Awesome as always !
@thomaswilliams5005 Жыл бұрын
Amazing as always. I would love to see any old projects redone. We’ve all grown as crafters watching you learn
@TheRiddle874 ай бұрын
Good video. Probably the most usefull craft you can make as a DM. I use fairly similar tiles. I've a bunch of different sizes. from 3x3 to 6x6 for larger rooms. I've build in a different way. Different foam (a thin foam sheet thats way more elastic for strenght), with the tile pattern 'molten in' instead of seperate bricks. The elastic foam allows the tiles to be way thinner! I'm a traveling DM, and have to bring all my dungeon-stuff with me. And a thin tile allows me to carry twice as much. Secondly, the opposite side got covered in a 'plank' pattern. made from wooden coffee stirrers. This allows me to use them 'upside down' as a different interior of a building. Best craft i made!
@matsolsen3901 Жыл бұрын
Relicblade Catacombs of Kural JUST shipped. This video is great for showing how to make the required home made dungeon tiles 🤩
@GoobertownHobbies Жыл бұрын
right??? mine came in the mail on saturday :-)
@matsolsen3901 Жыл бұрын
@@GoobertownHobbies show us your catacombs please!
@kathycaulfield694 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Жыл бұрын
awe, thank you!
@gregmccormack5709 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the content! You never disappoint Sir.
@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thank you man! Very much appreciated 🙏
@SammyBubbles Жыл бұрын
I love how they turned out, and I love it when hobby channels return to old concepts and revisit them either with a new angle or with newfound perspective. It's a great way to show people what could be improved upon with the initial concept, or what new techniques/approaches to crafting you have learned since then. I hope you do more of these!
@Catsmeow659 Жыл бұрын
I feel so old watching this! we use to use - way back in the good old days - pieces of "cardboard" for our playing area. Basically it was the board you find in the cover of a 3 ring binder (my dad worked for a book bindery at the time). We had various pieces cut and marked out and each square was equivalent to 1'x1'. Our models were all the cast metal. All were hand painted (and it was very obvious they had been). oh the good old days.... What you do is - ummmm - amazing! incredible! fantastic! Everytime I watch one of your videos, I'm tempted to break out the old Monster Manual and DM guide!
@artistpoet5253 Жыл бұрын
It's so much fun revisiting older projects, especially the ones that set the tone and definition of the studio.
@geektome4781 Жыл бұрын
I attach self-adhesive vinyl floor tile (sticky-side up) cut to size on the bottom of my tiles. It gives them heft and the vinyl, designed to prevent slips, prevents the tiles from sliding around my tabletop.
@iEdwinT Жыл бұрын
I really wish more manufactures would recognize that 1" grids are too small. they really need to have an option for 28mm or even 30mm grid products. Luckily I use a TV for my games so I can make the grid any size I want.
@MedievalMary Жыл бұрын
This was actually a really cool upgrade. I am all for a revist series. My favorite builds have been the tiles, viking boat and hags hut.
@kgchrome Жыл бұрын
if you have existing tiles that you want to weight down, self adhesive, flat floor tiling cut to match your tile size (or slightly undersized) stuck to the bottom works great. makes the tile a little taller, though. if your tiles are double sided, cut them in half and stick tile to each.
@combatsurvivalofalabama1835 Жыл бұрын
Such an iconic craft that started it for many of us. Thank you for all you have given this hobby. Cant wait to try making the new tiles!
@EricsHobbyWorkshop Жыл бұрын
personally i would like to see you revisit the cool hat from episode 61
@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Жыл бұрын
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@Onkelcuno Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid! ran my first d&d session with magnetic dungeon tiles inspired by you and other folks literally yesterday. I HEAVILY used several balls of tinfoil to texture MUCH more than any youtuber i've seen, mostly because i didn't know what i was doing. like really made sure there wasnt a smooth surface at all, just dents. then i coated them black, followed by dark grey. then i drybrushed heavily in a slightly lighter grey, followed by a super light drybrush of almost white grey on just some spots of each tile, mostly in lines creating light lines. all drybrushing was done one-directional. the result? it looks like marble. i've seen a bunch of "painting marble" tutorials but believe me, my tiles look more like marble than any of those. my group was ecstatic when they saw!
@solomonkane8273 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding work! I'm glad you went back to your roots! I'm going to be doing this for sure! Thanks so much!
@grimmtales503 Жыл бұрын
I wish you would give us a list of your Top Ten Favourite Old Projects ( '& Why You Want To Revisit... Maybe?' ). You could even do that as a throwaway video. Take clips of you and edit them in and add yourself doing clips in the midst between each - explain each of the ten projects briefly, brief chunk of Old Vid, brief sum-up what you might revisit. Boom. Video, mostly for your fan base. Loved this vid, couldn't stop watching. Yes, the new tiles have the essence but are FAR better. That's fantastic. Learned lots, it was fun. Keep up this great work.
@bassie90 Жыл бұрын
Came back to this amazing channel after a while. Amazing to see how amazingly enthusiastic you are about your craft!
@WylochsArmory Жыл бұрын
YES. BTB so refreshing. Do crags next!
@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Жыл бұрын
Only if you redo steampunk tiles.
@WylochsArmory Жыл бұрын
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Sir. .....sir. You pick that gauntlet right back up sir.
@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Жыл бұрын
Yea, it's too early in the week for that. Apologies good sir.
@WylochsArmory Жыл бұрын
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Actually though I think I'mma make some new tiles in the BMC style. #weekendsecured
@user-ht5ce2it3z Жыл бұрын
This was the first thing I made except I did double sided with wood planks on the other side. Thanks to you I enjoyed 2020 way more than I should have by foam crafting.
@DnDOldGuard Жыл бұрын
And now I need to update my tiles. A sincere and real THANK YOU for making this hobby so much better! Much love!
@xavierengels2420 Жыл бұрын
Love the idea of revisiting an old project with new skills and tools!
@EddyPassmore Жыл бұрын
Oddly enough I was looking at your old tile video literally yesterday for a project I'm planning. Great to see how far you've come, but also how accessible and informative your old stuff still is. I've learned so much from you over the years. I'll be using this new tile technique to make a cathedral carry case for my Sisters of Battle, you've already inspired my build!
@SkywalkerOne1977 Жыл бұрын
This was super fun to see! Never thought to put random bits in the tiles. I love that!
@felipehonoriobs Жыл бұрын
the original tiles video was what brought me to your channel, and seeing this revision years later is so satisfying. great video.
@BionicPerry1970 Жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff! I was very curious as to how "different" you were going to go, and you did not disappoint. Definitely the "advanced" version of the basic foam dungeon tiles. They looked great. I loved that you used all of the "upgraded" tools in your arsenal (mdf, air brush, oil wash). Definitely not everyone will be able to mimic these like the OG foam tiles, but that wasn't the point of this video. Super fun. Also, I recognize those coffins, lol! (they are excellent).
@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Жыл бұрын
If nothing else this shows how similar a build can be using basic tools and techniques vs more advanced ones. Ones better for sure, but not THAT much better.
@GoobertownHobbies Жыл бұрын
Past Jeremy got wrekt! This was a sweet upgrade, definitely revisit some other classics :-)
@stevenholmes2667 Жыл бұрын
You were the first crafting youtuber I came across when I first got into dnd, you're the only youtuber I've seen every upload, great work man keep it up, it's been awesome seeing my own skills and yours develop over the years
@Karrde25 Жыл бұрын
This is GREAT!! I was JUST about to make my own set of Dungeon Tiles for the first time (I'm a beginner here), and this technique will REALLY help me! I'd also really love to see you make some Doorways and Pillars now with modern techniques. Thanks so much for all the great content, BMC!!!
@TheCobraReport Жыл бұрын
great video, love seeing things that were done by makers years ago and how they would do them now with all the new knowledge they have gained.
@AJsWargaming Жыл бұрын
Sheet magnet on the bottom. I recycle 'refrigerator' magnets. Once my co-workers learned I recycled them, they started bringing me tons of them. Free magnet sheet! Garages and Sports teams often do annual calendars which are large enough to do a whole tile.
@TheLaensman Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed watching this version of the tiles getting made. It’s like the delux 2.0, without being overly complicated. Would love to see some projects continuing to build upon these, like dungeon scatter terrain, doorways, stairs, special “objective marker” tiles etc
@adamlt1981 Жыл бұрын
Yay, you're crafting again!
@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Жыл бұрын
I never stopped.
@adamlt1981 Жыл бұрын
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial I rewatch your build videos every time I get stuck on my projects and I always find some technique I missed the last time. I'd like to see you revisit your chapel build soon, that remains my favorite.
@nordicson2835 Жыл бұрын
Mine are still 100% after 2 years. Thank you . It was the first craft that my daughter and l made as a family crafting project.
@-.__DailyyAffirmationss__.- Жыл бұрын
Great video! Long time viewer, first time caller here! When I made my dungeons tiles following your original video a few months ago, I went to Home Depot and got a bunch of stone tile samples. They come in a great size for dungeons tiles and are heavy with a layer of rubber on them that prevents them from moving! Thanks for all you do especially for a novice DM and hobby crafter like me!🤘🏼
@gungagalunga7761 Жыл бұрын
Dude! Love seeing the original Dungeon Master guides in your background. A flood of fond memories hit me while watching your tutorial. Thanks for casting a "Memory-Recall Spell" on me!
@lonestar2001ad Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you do a 3 tier or more boat build where u can break it down and play on each level and have rooms, walls, and scatter terrain. Make removable sails so they don't get in the way when u play on the top level.
@Woods-qt5oo Жыл бұрын
So I started watching ur videos a 3 or 4 years ago. I've enjoyed watching ur channel as well as ur creative talent grow each and every video. This video was a great throwback and an outstanding result. I would love to see u go back and create some buildings again. The primitive huts, midevil houses & churches, etc.. were some of my favorite builds back then.
@josephskiles Жыл бұрын
I watched a really awesome video on another channel recently where a guy was using children's magnetic tiles for terrain after doing some quick painting with a rattle can and gluing bits of sprue on them. I had to check ebay on the prices and it was pretty common to find 300 piece sets for like $40 or $50 if not better deals on buying lots of used ones. I had no idea these were even a thing since I don't have kids, but for very very minor work a person can get enough terrain pieces to make a battle board and plenty of pieces to make structures or even hallways if you want to go by the latest boarding scenarios that GW is doing now, and since it's already magnetic storage, set-up, and traveling with them seem like it couldn't get any easier for the fraction of the price of normal terrain or the time put into building a bunch of dungeon tiles.
@thecityofakqvwsvlogs4212 Жыл бұрын
A boat or a lava tile remake? I love these videos because it's helping me learn from the masters of the craft!
@undeadamerican1107 Жыл бұрын
I love that your going back to update your old videos. So many good lessons and a wealth of experience to leverage to make them better! Next do how to pour water resin ;)
@charlesvanneste2834 Жыл бұрын
I got hooked when you did the boat build. Would be fun seeing that in your new skill set. Awesome tiles!
@sebastianlindberg2976 Жыл бұрын
Great video, love the classics! I would love to see an updated version of cave terrain!
@nmills87 Жыл бұрын
I loved seeing you revisit a project! Always great to see growth as a hobbyist. Great job
@Nosferatuklown Жыл бұрын
Awesome to see you going back to the old school videos, two videos I fondly remember (and still want to attempt myself) was your skull and blood fountain alter, and your diy gaming table if you ever feel like making a new table one day :)
@RM-vw3ov Жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your videos! Please do some small buildings again, would love to see the abandoned barn revisited, it was my favourite video of a building from your catalogue!
@DJ_Blaker Жыл бұрын
Great video! Love the re visit!! Simple but elegant upgrade from original!
@LdHrothgar Жыл бұрын
Man, that shelf of old school AD&D hardbacks has me NOSTALGIC... I started with the box sets (they came with crayons to color in the dice numbers with!) but most of my early days of play are all wrapped up in that one shelf.
@gklecker Жыл бұрын
Like the simple and concise description and explanation. Just subscribed.
@christophermitchell8351 Жыл бұрын
I've recently discovered magnet tape which has been a game changer for me. It comes in a roll like scotch tape. I slap it onto the bottom of everything I make now and I can use it on a whiteboard. It's great!
@ashleydawn2600 Жыл бұрын
I always enjoy seeing your tips and tricks. I think revisiting projects helps. Thank you for being you.
@ashtonbecher1818 Жыл бұрын
I just finished my own version of your Ultimate Dungeon Tile board, but I want to combine that with these. Excited to see you revisiting this build!🤘
@Saber9933 Жыл бұрын
I haven't done work with foam in a few years since getting a 3d printer but this vid has me thinking it's time to go back to basics again!
@xavierdoesntmatter Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of the larger tiles. It allows you to place walls on the edges if you really wanted to, they would just need to be thin.
@TheVikingDaddy Жыл бұрын
I haven't watched this video but I immediately love it, it was this project that got me into the hobby.
@kandygarcia4461 Жыл бұрын
I just started and I made my tiles with your original versions. They work like a charm, looking forward to making more in the future with your videos. Thanks!
@chrisfox961 Жыл бұрын
The tip about which side of the foam takes the details the best is great! Thank you.
@hmgirlpopuri5819 Жыл бұрын
Really cool to see you come back and revisit some of your earlier foundational stuff. These came out great! With the whole magnet things, you should hit up Table & Craft's 'magboard' for an interesting take on it. He's got like a piece of foamcore he sets his tiles on with a magnets laid out in a grid so that pieces can just be clipped on top, and blank 'spacer tiles' with a magnet and a screw he can use to add elevation. You two both do very cool stuff and it'd be wild to see what some kind of collab/crossover of ideas might produce!
@jonashenriksson2182 Жыл бұрын
Nice! Building a modular dungeon is on my list of fun projects to do with my kids, and this seems like a great way to crank out a large nice dungeon fast. Idea for a v3: Spraying the tiles before gluing them would make it easy to introduce some additional colour variations, mixing in a few green tiles among the brown ones. Same effect you of course be achieved my washing some tiles in a different colour.
@VHangout Жыл бұрын
I am getting back into D&D while simultaneously starting miniatures...thank you for this! I am inspired. The tiles look amazing.
@stephaniegrehan9084 Жыл бұрын
It's great that your new and improved tiles are still pretty easy to make. They look so much cooler whilst still being essentially the same.
@Daggerleep Жыл бұрын
What a cool throwback video. Ive been following since you were still a carpenter and can honestly say your easy entry tutorials got me into terrain building. Thanks.
@AndrevwZA Жыл бұрын
They look incredible. The tumbler is brilliant.
@lewiekong Жыл бұрын
I literally thought at the start of the video "Ooooh Jeremy always looks so stylish" and well that sponsorship sounds great!
@PERECil Жыл бұрын
I loved it. Honestly, I find that, lately, the content does not fit the reason why I suscribed (a long time ago) to this channel, but seeing videos like this is awesome.
@MarcinEstkowski Жыл бұрын
Tiles are useful. I made cardboard one. Dark color cardboard, black sharpie drawing plus some white drawing pencil highlights. Works like a charm. But... I feel envy - yours are great!
@DawnMontgomeryAuthor Жыл бұрын
LOVE this. I love seeing other options on older projects.
@TheGallagor Жыл бұрын
Amazing revisit! It is a great idea to revisit some of your older content with your experience. I love this new way of doing it, it actually seem even a bit faster than the original given you use an airbrush. Great work once again! thanks for keeping us inspired!
@HacksawsHobbyBunker Жыл бұрын
Great stuff. A bit of an upgrade without being some unattainable standard for the beginner. This is why we love you. Cheers!
@mikedanielson4898 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you revisit the tavern tiles you did. I have made both the dungeon tiles and tavern tiles you made and have always wondered if there was a better way to accomplish them. Love that you came back to this project with your improved skill set! You have definitely come a long way! Cheers!
@rocketforthree4479 Жыл бұрын
man, You did great job with these, I love them! Could you post a close-up/zoom-in of the dungeon tiles? Like at 9:36, but with the new ones in front, I kinda have a small monitor so it makes it hard for me to see how smaller details, like the weapons turned out. Again, i really love this revamp of the old classic. I'm looking forward to your next build!
@kristoff7049 Жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff! Loved it the first time and love it this time around!
@jillfriedmann7641 Жыл бұрын
I’ll echo everyone and say yeah. Your revisiting projects is awesome!
@stianthijsen4784 Жыл бұрын
this almost exactly the way that I did my 1st dungeon-tile-set. MDF-Plates are awesome and with some foam on top this feels realy good. On the Backside I would suggest making some wooden boards look... maybe with a small driller into the MDF-Plate
@amiyrachel Жыл бұрын
Love my dungeon tiles I made after watching your old videos, they have seen **so** much use over the years!
@speedhump231 Жыл бұрын
I make mdf hills for historical and fantasy games. The hills all get felt on the bottom. They slip less and look good. I think the felt would be good on your tiles.
@kgoblin5084 Жыл бұрын
So, my variant of dungeon tiles was layered cardboard + mod-podge primer. Ends up being super-durable, & obviously doesn't have the material availability headaches you can get with XPS... but the big drawback is the tiles are very, very flat so forget trying to stack them to emulate stairs/platforms/etc. Bonus benefit though is the cardboard technique is super useful for creating custom terrain & mini bases... & I was also able to repurpose it to make coasters for my mom 1 Christmas :).
@sklinger Жыл бұрын
From the very beginning I based all my pieces on a 1-1/4" grid. Visually I liked the extra space. But the main reason was that it was a true architectural scale. Both for drawing and modeling. Also it's equates a model railroad "O scale". So there was another resource to purchase items MADE for that scale.
@simontemplar3359 Жыл бұрын
These tutorials are amazing! Thank you so much for doing them! It brings the game to life and it gives players the ability to make their gaming world exactly what they would like for it to be!
@jacobmcdonald8750 Жыл бұрын
Those are great. I liked the color before the wash but they still look great! Thanx
@sworddemonboggle1491 Жыл бұрын
Well rewatching this video finally cinched it for me and I bought your list of essential tools after deliberating how many and what exactly I needed. Now I just need to get the area set up I’m going to be crafting in and get the foam material and then I’m going to use your old dungeon tile video as my first project. I’m really hoping to get into the hobby to the point I can sell the pieces at my local game shop but I’d be happy just to make something I’m proud to show off at my D&D sessions
@LordWiseWolf Жыл бұрын
This is really cool and helpful. I've been having an issue with minis and tiles because I recently got into resin 3D printing minis. With different scales and models, and sculpts, sometimes an inch square is perfect. Sometimes it's not. Gonna try this 28mm