PA Tint Laws and What to do if you get pulled over

[@CK_youtube]

Nice way to get the public discussion going around tint in PA and just maybe you guys can get enough momentum to get clearer more practical rules that don’t reflect outdated policies!

[@BlackoutTinting]

Agreed and Thanks for always watching 🤝

[@ClickOnMyProfileiCanHelp]

Commonwealth v. Prizzia Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania Aug 24, 2021 1897 EDA 2020 (Pa. Cmmw. Ct. Aug. 24, 2021)

[@aaronmcallister-rv7uo]

People in my neighborhood when they drive in their vehicles, they tenant windows are super dark. I don’t know how they see looking left or looking right they have blind spots and they tint the front windshield dangerous. The roads be wet at night super dark can’t see a thing the lightest tinted windows that’s the best thing to get.

[@DoctaM3]

If challenged, these usually go away. Most people just pay the fine but if cited properly, you can and will win

[@BlackoutTinting]

yes sir

[@Num542867]

Thanks for this video I really appreciate it just got my windows tinted 15% all around left the front windshield alone. Haven't gotten pulled over yet but was worried about getting tinted because of this. Fingers crossed I hope I never get pulled over cuz I kinda regret how dark I got it now.

[@BlackoutTinting]

We find that around 20% you never run into issues. You should be good at 15%

[@Num542867]

@@BlackoutTinting thanks I appreciate it!! So far so good been 2 weeks since I got my tint and I've had no problems so far.

[@BlackoutTinting]

@Num542867 💪

[@ll-fendi]

how you holding up 5 months later

[@Num542867]

@@ll-fendi still haven't gotten pulled over! I think with 15% all around except front windshield is smart because during the day the front appears lighter than the back if you leave the front windshield alone. Plus it's illegal to tint the front windshield so I'm pretty sure you wouldn't pass a state inspection if you do that.

[@NoTechHacker]

Thanks for putting this together. I’m looking forward to bringing my Golf R back in for tinting later this year. I don’t like the heat, and the super bright LED headlights are problematic for me in the rear view.

[@BlackoutTinting]

Good to hear we will be ready 💪

[@WPBJ]

I KNOW THIS IS OLD, BUT I WENT TO COURT TODAY (10/25/24) ON A WINDOW TINT TICKET AND BEAT IT THANKS TO BRUBAKER VS COMMONWEALTH OF PA. The officer was soooo sure of himself. He was surprised when I mentioned the Brubaker case to the Judge as the officer had no knowledge. The Judge went to look up the case while the officer went out to his vehicle and returned with this rather large book, and thought he was doing something by showing me that PennDot tint % checklist. He did not realize that checklist had NO weight due to the way he wrote the ticket and the code used (4524) (e) (1). Long story short there are two facets regarding window tint and the way the officer reaches his conclusion is pertinent. The judge stated if the officer had used a light meter and there was something else...but if he had used the meter I would have been guilty, but since the officer could see inside the vehicle (he didn't admit it-I actually drove the car to the hearing with the tint and the Judge came outside to check the vehicle). Sorry for the novel and thanks to your channel I won!!!!!!! RESPECT!

[@smnkm4ehfer]

I wish they had an exception for restraining orders/stalkers. Live Inna small town(same as my crazy ex) and I don't want her knowing what I drive and I see her frequently in town. Luckily she hasnt seen me in my new car.

[@DrewLukac]

So many PA laws are ridiculous and antiquated.

[@BlackoutTinting]

very true

[@ClickOnMyProfileiCanHelp]

Only real law is the law of the land which is the law of nations and the founding fathers from Madison to Hamilton agree that “ Law of Nations” is the law of the land.

[@MrJoel125]

California is worse​@@BlackoutTinting

[@nrs_207]

I also just looked into this as I plan to get 35% tint on my new car. Brubaker works if they charge you with violating the statute that Brubaker got charged with violating (75 Pa CS 4524 I believe). However, if they charge you with violating another statute, 75 Pa. C.S. 4107(b)(2), it’s a crime to operate a vehicle not “equipped as required under department regulations.” So that PennDOT sheet that is quite frankly absurd is still the law, they just have to pick the right statute to charge you with violating. It’s obviously a lot easier to beat the statute Brubaker got charged with violating. They could always amend the complaint against you or refile charges to get you if they realize they made a mistake. Those percentages are in the Pa Code, which contains regulations made by agencies like PennDOT, made enforceable by statutes from the legislature. Similar to how Congress gives agencies like the FCC, SEC, IRS, etc. the ability to promulgate rules you can get in trouble for violating. 75 Pa CS 4107 makes those percentages in the Pa Code enforceable law. I get not wanting to allow truly dark tint for safety, but 35% is totally reasonable. 70% is absolutely unbelievable to me.

[@HorsePowerObsessed]

Really good info here. I didn't know a lot of this stuff. I've never been pulled over for tint *knock on wood* but now I know if I am, I'm citing some Brubaker stuff!

[@litledevel15]

What percent do you use ?

[@Chris-of6xm]

A non-primary offense will be something like seat belts used to be up until they change the laws and talking on your cell phone. New Jersey was a primary offense now Pennsylvania is too. Window tints been a primary offense for as long as I can remember just like a covering over your license plate, inspection, exhaust they say it's aftermarket , a window decal below the OEM tint line and a bunch of other stupid things I can't think of right now

[@isaiahs6942]

I live about 10/15 minutes from your Latrobe shop. I have 30 on my windshield and 5 percent all the way around. I’ve been pulled over atleast 3 times in the last year and got all warnings for tint. But every single cop or state trooper has said a different percentage that’s permitted. I think it just depends on the officer and what they feel is legal or not lol.

[@BlackoutTinting]

We can’t argue with that 😂

[@reissb]

I really like what you said! Spot on 🙌

[@BlackoutTinting]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@amber_lynn08]

I may or may not remember that time Josh was pulled over on our road trip!! Lol 😂🤣

[@FlatglassMan]

Oh no They're turning around.

[@BlackoutTinting]

@FlatglassMan 😅😅😅😅😅💀

[@Pens724]

Had a cop on Toll 66 (Amos K. Bypass) pull me over, and threaten to pull me over every time he was on duty and seen my car on that road if I didn't remove my 35% tint. That was after I was compliant with his requests to see in the car. I think the largest issue the majority of us have with the law, is that we all either know a law enforcement office, either state or local, that has a completely blacked out personal car that if we were caught in would be illegal to police.

[@Chris-of6xm]

I've got over 20 tint tickets. State troopers tell me anything other than stock is illegal. Local cops tell you 70% light transmission. State troopers tell you that's not true, anything over stock pretty much altered whatsoever is illegal. Same with exhaust

[@JaredPaideia]

In PA? Or in other states?

[@Chris-of6xm]

@@JaredPaideia in pa. Around the philly suburbs. Just got my work truck done in 5%. Haven't been pulled over yet. Slap The Thin Blue Line sticker on the bumper the bullshit thing is that probably has something to do with not being pulled over yet. Yet when I was in my Honda I would always get pulled over

[@JaredPaideia]

@@Chris-of6xm Did any of those tickets ever mean fuckall except $? No points? No insurance? Just pay and go?

[@Chris-of6xm]

@JaredPaideia just pay and go. I was never into drugs or anything like that but the cops use it for also a way to pull you over late at night or something like that or if they think you're suspicious or something, that way they get to take a look in your vehicle as well. As long as you're not up to no good or riding dirty or anything, it's just a simple ticket and go, sometimes they wouldn't even give you a ticket. Other times it would be a ticket that if you take the tint off of they it away if you showed them within10 days but I would just pay the ticket cuz I always wanted it cuz it made the car look good but I got expensive and as a young guy that really sucked. Good luck to you bro sounds like you're debating whether to get it or not LOL get it, just don't go 5%, go like 20 or 35% so they can at least see your silhouette in there and you're less likely to get pulled over. It's also a bitch to try to see at night with really dark tint it's definitely a problem. Don't go too dark

[@Angiolelli_1]

Thank you for the information. I was ticketed for my tint a couple years ago. I just paid the fine. I didnt know it was possible to fight this one.

[@trevorwallace7934]

I had no window tint at all. Summertime is here with the heat waves, and every time me, my son and girlfriend get in the car It's like an oven. I just got 20% Ceramic to block out the sun and heat. I already noticed a huge difference, and my a/c doesn't have to work as hard to cool the inside down. If law enforcement pulls you over, the best thing to do is put down all your windows, turn on all your interior lights, and put your hands on the top of the steering wheel so the cop knows you aren't a threat.

[@KylaZwawa]

How much is the fine typically in PA? Just recently got pulled over for my tint. My tint is 35% but he said it was 13%?

[@tsims73]

So the Brubaker case changed nothing?

[@nrs_207]

No because there are 2 statutes you can be charged with violating. The one in Brubaker is more vague and easier to get away with defending. The one they’d normally charge you with is just violating a PennDOT regulation, with that regulation being the percentages he mentions in the beginning of the video.

[@grooove2]

I have been pulled over 3 times for my tinted windows. 😢 I also have an appointment today to get my new car tinted 😂

[@BlackoutTinting]

Yikes… 5%

[@ClickOnMyProfileiCanHelp]

I can help you with that if your in PA she was even arrested for DUI and the whole thing got thrown out because these stops are illegal : Commonwealth v. Prizzia Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania Aug 24, 2021 1897 EDA 2020 (Pa. Cmmw. Ct. Aug. 24, 2021)

[@jeazy6615]

@@ClickOnMyProfileiCanHelpI have 5% tint . Is it possible to get it thrown out ??

[@officerdailey]

​@@ClickOnMyProfileiCanHelp You must be thinking of another case or something. Commonwealth v. Prizzia found the argument that the stop was illegal to be meritless and affirmed the judgement. They very much went to prison.

[@nickbonee]

5% all the way around baby

[@kylesonney131]

2.5% on my single cab truck.

[@BlackoutTinting]

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[@BlackoutTinting]

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[@wearesolarfarmers]

What if the peraon has a medical condition like an allergy to the sun? And thwy have medical certification, but the officer saya its fake?

[@BlackoutTinting]

why would the officer say it's fake

[@pgold1382]

@SummitLife lobbied to update the Utah regulations for Tint last year I believe. might be a resource for a pathway to change.

[@BlackoutTinting]

I mean we kinda like it the way it is tbh, vague.

[@wantsanewvehicle]

I had a car tinted by you guys a couple years ago. I was pulled over on my birthday and given a ticket for it, two days later my mother was pulled over..on her birthday, and given a ticket for the tint. When she was pulled over, I was behind her in her car with the same tint as was on my car- no issues with her tint though. At that time they obviously pulled my car over just to be dicks. I've had issues one other time with tint, it's always been the state police. Never any issues with local cops & tint. I only do 20%, which isn't that dark and any time I've ever been pulled over I drop all windows. I could *maybe* understand if it was 5% or 2.5% or something. Really sucks..

[@BlackoutTinting]

You'd think we'd hear about people getting pulled over more often considering how much tinting we do but we don't.

[@robertelder5444]

Crack your window enough to pass documents. When officer request you roll your window down so he can test the window tint. DO NOT COMPLY!!! PLEAD YOUR 5TH AMENDMENT RIGHT!! You can not self-incriminate yourself.

[@AllenReinecke]

How is this going to be if the bill that's been proposed, to add tint to the annual inspection, goes through. What a PA mess!

[@thepodboss1]

Nice video did you think you can do an updated video for Philadelphia new tint law that even the parking authority can give you a ticket now. Thanks 🙏

[@fjsantana12]

At this point. I'll be looking for a tint that goes from light to dark or if I can I'll get my top half legal tint and my bottom tint as dark as I can.

[@BlackoutTinting]

there's an idea...

[@susannell544]

The tint should be at the tops of all car windows,like glasses,gradients. Alot of drivers get skin cancers ....basil cell carcinomas. Governments fault......

[@DavidA20200]

But this is exactly why so many people can’t stand police because they make a big deal out of nothing! The law is only a law if it’s enforced! Really just need to F off on the little stuff! Giving somebody a citation for window tint alone is just BS. It’s another thing if they slap it on as an additional thing if you’re committing an actual crime!

[@fredgasburger5969]

I’ve never been pulled over and I’ve had 5% all the way around on a black car.

[@reissb]

Someone been working out 💪🏼

[@BlackoutTinting]

Thanks for noticing 💪 😁

[@jaydubs6354]

I’ve had 5% on my truck and 20% tint in my Range Rover for over 10 years now. Been pulled over 2x for minor speeding and still never got any ticket for my tint. IMO I’m cool running the risk. One thing I’m not sure about, I know this state issues fix it tickets where you can dodge the fine if you get it removed and signed off at a state inspection facility. But… if the fine is $110, if I just say fuck it and pay the fine and keep my tint because I’ve gone a decade so far without any enforcement action against me for these vehicle code infractions, I’ll just pay this fine and see how long I can go till I get another etc. I feel like that is a pretty reasonable solution lol. My tint cost me $600 per vehicle, if I have to pay $110 every 5-10 years as a no points violation then hell that’s not bad lol. Rather pay that fee than remove the tint and pay another $600 to re tint it

[@jts9101]

The rules / law make zero sense which is classic for PA. I wonder if everyone could petition Harrisburg to clarify the law and allow for any tint… 😏

[@QP154]

Hi there! Great info you put out! This does not constitute legal advice. Some jurisdictions make different provisions, but generally secondary offenses are as you explained. In Philadelphia, secondary offenses include things hanging from a mirror, minor cosmetic damage, unfastened but still visible license plates, etc. Your assessment of Com. v. Brubaker was correct, but the most important part of that opinion is that "the terms of 67 Pa. Code § 175.67(d)(4) cannot be utilized to sustain the conviction for § 4524(e)(1)." All that means is that the PA code doesn't give enough teeth to make it really enforceable beyond "seeing into the vehicle". My opinion is to not go darker than when you can see into a vehicle on a sunny day with no adverse weather conditions. "See into" is not specific, especially for enforcement, but with that I would assume that provided you can make out the shape of the center console with the window up, you should be good to go in court*. This doesn't mean the officer can't write you a ticket, it just means the officer will have to go to court and testify that he couldn't see into the vehicle. If you want to take it to court if/when you receive a citation or "fix it" ticket, you have the case law to substantiate that with Com. v. Brubaker.

[@DogAlpha]

Where is this “Pennsylvania Tint Law”. PENNDOT does not create laws. So where are these laws written? Who created the actual law?

[@Reusw]

Title 75 , 67 Table IX, it is a law, not just PennDOT.

[@Reusw]

It is 70%. It just under title 67, not many people know this chapter, I am a Leo so I know it.

[@zackjacoby7599]

That's safety glazing which is what was set for manufactures when they started adding a film for shatter resistance. That has nothing to do with tint which is a sun screening device. If you got my info please post the link to the table your talking about. ​@@Reusw

[@Reusw]

@@zackjacoby7599 175.263. Sun screening location. (a) Windshields, side windows and side wings. A person may not operate, on a highway, a motor vehicle with a front windshield, side window or side wing that has been equipped with a “sun screening device or other material” which does not permit a person to see or view the inside of the vehicle. It clearly states “ any material” so it doesn’t matter what is for, if it does not permit to look inside the section applies to it also. Trust me I’ve been to court for this many times before, I was actually educated by an attorney and he was the one who showed me this table.

[@Reusw]

Table X under that section.

[@zackjacoby7599]

​@@Reuswagain safety glassing is not a shield screening device. The previous title calls tint a sun screen.

[@nvembrace]

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