CR6 - Lost Media Mysteries | blameitonjorge

[@blameitonjorge]

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[@inserthahafunniusername9656]

Hi jorge ♡♡

[@SobbleWobble13]

Jorge!

[@rockothewallaby1]

love your content

[@A_Toaster]

YOOOOOO REAL

[@SobbleWobble13]

Keep it up blameitonjorge! Can't wait to see more from you soon!

[@cowbearrie]

>barges into discord server >"i worked on cr6" >refuses to elaborate further >leaves

[@Lallint]

:gigachad:

[@scottpeltier3977]

Just walked in, caused a frenzy of questions then walked out, legend

[@rainman2222]

Imagine faking your death then 20 years later some internet detectives figure it out and you’re back on the hook for all that money you owe.

[@pantycakes6666]

Plus interest. Yikes.

[@tanner791]

He’s gotta be dead by now, eben if he frankes it initially? Idk

[@joey_youtube]

15 years*

[@TheDanemite]

@@tanner791 If he eventually died, his death certificate would come up, no? Or maybe he goes by another name in Chile Idk.

[@grubadubdub]

He died in Chile, there's no mystery here.

[@leroymanzo7505]

Imagine faking your death for about 15 years, and suddenly a KZbinr and a Discord server come out of nowhere speculating that you might still be alive while gathering info about your old web show.

[@Chris-tn9bf]

ok but imagine dying in chile and *.*

[@saltysumo7991]

and all because bob odenkirk had a heart attack

[@MassiveDestructionSP]

And all because someone got distracted and decided to check a random actor on Wikipedia.

[@Tonybaloney6969]

@@saltysumo7991 thank god for Bob odenkirk

[@InsanityPlusOne]

@@saltysumo7991 and some guy who probably took a few too many edibles decided to get very invested

[@k1j1j1j]

damn the hunt started because of some guys giga adhd making him go through the edit history of an actor for a side character in a better call saul episode

[@judge_dreddpool7593]

If you wanna go even deeper, the fact that Bob Odenkirk had that heart attack was what kickstarted this journey. ... damn it, we got played by Slippin' Jimmy!

[@jamesrosewell9081]

The power of hyperfocusing

[@rlundy45]

So if Bob Odenkirk didn't have his heart attack, we wouldn't even be going down this rabbit hole.

[@User-es3em]

Slippin Jimmy at it again!

[@User-lg1vl]

The butterfly effect

[@braidena1633]

People explore rabbit holes all the time. This guy that looks at rando wiki edits. Jesus

[@toast1672]

@@braidena1633 Lighten up, unclench your jaw, breathe some fresh air my friend. It's a joke. On the internet.

[@RodrickMarsMoon]

What a weirdly awesome butterfly effect...!

[@chumismetabolicfuel6200]

That last message Chris wrote read like a creepypasta holy crap

[@LokiPii]

It's sooooo cringe.

[@MrHonwe]

@@bellaamber5559 did you have a stroke

[@shubhuman]

@@LokiPii yeah kinda cringe

[@Gabriel87100]

it's written somewhat differently than his earlier posts, which makes me believe it was just a troll creating an account with his name

[@Lopnawe]

@@livanbard he still fucking died.

[@ectozoologist9573]

This whole video feels like it’s leading up to a reveal that he uploaded his consciousness into and AI that runs on floppy disks and is now trapped in his 1990’s computer for all eternity.

[@lucy4666]

That reminds me of the weird virus thing in captain america 2

[@Bruh-zx2mc]

GLaDOS

[@biggestastiest]

he got cabinet man'd

[@popshoppacks]

Isn't that an scp?

[@oats9755]

Lain

[@SunyCartoons]

This is such a weird mystery to come from an internet soap opera that probably sucked

[@ips2124]

and it was uncovered because Bob Odenkirk had a heart attack

[@BrenBertozzi]

I thought it was really good, almost as good as ze frank

[@Morphoidism]

There's almost certainly going to be a sequel vid in the future in which the show was found and stuff gets crazier. I can't wait till then.

[@StageCraftBeast]

And Chris Mckinstry rises from the shadows.

[@lizzychrome7630]

I love your name and avatar already, but that avatar absolutely completes your comment here. XDD

[@frenchprincessofbellpepper1987]

@Edward Scissorhands yeah it's so weird because it's obviously not one. Or it is? It's one of the wildest lost media story I've heard. Albeit I'm new to this scene. But this one tops a day with sponge Bob in my mind.

[@tylertheguy3160]

@@frenchprincessofbellpepper1987 The thing about A Day With Spongebob is that it's confirmed to not have been real. This on the other hand certainly existed, and it is infinitely intriguing how something so expensive and so unique could just seemingly vanish from existance and leave barely anything behind.

[@laurahenriksen19]

Let's hope so...

[@PadChennington]

new blameitonjorge = a good day

[@peepnox7747]

👁👅👁

[@milktea6676]

👁👄👁

[@zombieslayer1317]

I agree

[@SobbleWobble13]

You know it!

[@AliciaInNevada]

Yes

[@infinitelemniscata]

I'm Chilean. We don't have any hospital in Chile called "General Hospital". Neither remember this case being in the news ever. Very weird...but many people who "die" in this country are later found very alive. And well.

[@ThereAreThoseWhoCallMeTim]

Here’s a piece of advice for everyone: If someone is probing you for information about something that you’d rather not be made public, do NOT say “I’ve said too much” and then leave. That just makes people want to seek out info and find the truth more than ever. The best way to keep something secret is to be COMPLETELY silent about it, period.

[@stupidmango4036]

You shouldn't be giving people advice how to get away with something, that could be horrific, if someone was smart enough to stfu

[@sunnydargonnel]

What puzzles me is the secrecy about it. "I've said too much", that's a wild statement to do about a silly photoshow from 30 years ago. Sounds like a living and breathing creepypasta, but with actual leads to it being real. What happened? What *REALLY* happened for those people to be so reluctant to speak out? Is this guy even dead? The lack of a public death certificate is really suspicious (dunno about the rest of the world but here in Argentina, those are indeed public records)... What if Chris McKinstry was just a pen/screen name?

[@angelsinger4574]

My first thought was: “they signed NDAs.” My second thought was: “If the rights to the show really did end up in the hands of the actors, they might be worried that the creditors will come after them now.” But who knows?

[@the4tierbridge]

I mean, Chris wasn't a citizen of Chile. Maybe that's why he didn't have a death certificate or autopsy? Plus, all evidence points to him being a real person.

[@aegis_9690]

@@the4tierbridge Also, hi im from Chile, usually death certificates are not given publicly, just the family, hospital and police

[@the4tierbridge]

@@aegis_9690 Oh! Then, why is there all this fuss about it not being available online? Why did no one ever think to consult someone from Chile?

[@aegis_9690]

@@the4tierbridge at that point i only watched when jorge said that he was dead but with the proof i guess he is totally alive, but as i stated what i said is true, no actual report is given to the public

[@grawlixTV]

It doesn't sound like this show will ever be fully "found" considering the way it's structured, each episode not being a video but a collosal tree of links makes it seem difficult if not fully impossible to get back every last detail.

[@shaggyaxe]

Scrolled down to find someone mentioning this. Yes, it sounds like the "show" was just a set of clickable images. No real "video" of it ever existed.

[@jenngaudio497]

There were the two photos of the girl getting a massage whatever, one as a sort of promo and the other *seemed* like a still frame from a video of the scene. But eh idk

[@BlindTigerfl]

In the video he mentioned that the episodes were like that “at first” which led me to believe there was actual video at a certain point.

[@ps-dh8ef]

@@BlindTigerfl i think the “at first” was more like a “so far”, as in it may adapt down the road

[@BlindTigerfl]

@@ps-dh8ef could be, but it’s hard to tell

[@Zwarlie]

incredibly interesting that, if it’s really him, Chris seemed to be incredibly angry about being forgotten. and he was. his entire internet footprint is gone. everything about him is dubious. it’s creepy to think that if he is alive he’s definitely watching this

[@lucy4666]

he's definitely reading our comments

[@Komajju]

I won’t try to make excuses for the wiki changes but no way on earth the “last message” is real.

[@nothingislogical]

"I think he's dead because he's had no internet presence for the last 15 years." If someone is faking their death and they don't want anyone to find them, going off the grid like that would be the best way to ensure no one finds him.

[@Blakbox92]

You don't even need to "go off the grid" really, you just don't post under your real name, ditch your "usual online hangouts" for good, or for a long time, take on a pseudonym if you ever want to take part in online communities.

[@mani_icon3135]

Fun fact: In Chile we often say that “El Mercurio miente” which means El Mercurio lies. Just a fun fact.

[@ale_islost]

Seeing as how far the proofs go, I guessed it would turn out that way. So it gives more backup to the Chris being alive theory

[@TheClassyZombie]

I was wondering if that was a trustworthy source. It seems like they need to actually talk to people from Chile because right now they have to act on a lot of assumptions. I'm also wondering how through record keeping is for these types of things

@@TheClassyZombie El Mercurio is like the biggest news source in Chile, and the most expensive newspaper. But is also inclined to pander to right-wingers. On a side note, I never heard of this case before. Then again, I was 5 when it happened.

[@jadenyuki3138]

Ala de chao

[@armadillowastaken]

what’s the reputation of las últimas noticias there, out of curiosity?

[@LuisCG11]

Hi! A Chilean here. In Santiago there's not an hospital called "General Hospital", and the bodies related to suicides and cold cases are deposited on the Servicio Médico Legal (SML) since 1960... So...

[@proptosis2682]

Prove it

[@alejandromaturana6628]

@@proptosis2682 he's right, the mames of the hospitals are, San José wich is close to the general cementery In independencia/recoleta and Roberto del Río wich is in puente alto

[@alejandromaturana6628]

But Also he was using the IP of the universidad Adolfo Ibáñez wich is in Peñalolén wich could give You a better lead, we could search for someone working in an egineering department at the time tho

[@proptosis2682]

@@alejandromaturana6628 seems fake

[@adamangeles9570]

@@proptosis2682 something that McKinstry would say hmmm

[@Artemis101full]

Listen. One thing I know about Latin America is that they do keep good records on certificates of birth and death for Americans, Canadians, and Europeans. They don’t want that type of trouble with those first world countries. I’m hispanic-american and lived in Ecuador for 2 years. Once I flashed my passport, it got me places. If this dude died and they saw where he was from, theyd have no problem sending a certificate and body to where it was needed and asked for…. So why does Chile not have the certificate?

[@eradict]

"flashed my passport" 😏

[@Alice-burrice]

latina here who had family who worked with death certificates. Latin america tends to deal with certificates of death EXTREMELY carefully for gringos. There's a type of adoration culture (especially in Brazil where I live) around foreign people, so not only do we not want trouble with countries who have far more power than us, as you mentioned, we also hold them in extremely high regard. Also as somebody else mentioned around in the comments, there is no "general hospital" in chile, all "suspicious" deaths are dealt with by the SML (servicio médico legal), including most suicides

[@robin2666]

And at least here in Brazil, most certificates are public, ESPECIALLY death certificates, idk about Chile but if it is the same there, you can search a person's name at geneology websites, such as family search.

[@user-zp9nf5qo8j]

It got you places? Like what?

[@machomanalexyt5736]

@@user-zp9nf5qo8j prosperous countries

[@frenchprincessofbellpepper1987]

It's another great exemple of a Streisand effect. If they weren't so secretive "I've said too much" and just said their piece I'm pretty sure less people would care about a bad internet show from the 90's.

[@Vampyra-]

Here is my big brain conspiracy, everyone is involved. This is finally his lifelong planned web series by making everyone search for him.

[@ZeroX7649]

He did say talk about for decades...

[@jaydee3392]

Bruh

[@aymuhspunj]

Longest con possible for an ARG.

[@dirksnellen7142]

faking your own death for an ARG? sounds pretty stupid.

[@lordfluffyboots6480]

"I'm the gas you can't pass" is now going in my verbal dictionary

[@ernestolombardo5811]

@cesar b Should have been "I'm the cause of your erectile dysfunction"

[@RatOfTheWoods]

This dude sounded like the adult ver of Dark Wing Duck lmaooo

[@Romeo-le2ez]

@cesar b that sounds like something cr1tikal would say

[@jfkadkahjsjdkak9123]

Hello. I'm from Santiago, Chile. Taking in account the history of my country and the amount of corruption we have, it's not hard for me to imagine that he did in fact fake his death. To this day it is very easy to buy a cop and much easier to have an article written about your death (that also speaks highly of you). And if it's easy today, then it was even easier back then, considering the conversion of CAD to CLP that might have given him some sort of financial security here.

[@reecefielding6043]

Not only is Chris alive, but you've actually spoken to him numerous times throughout this video.

[@JohnnyCake6759]

What’s the evidence there?

[@AhDollar]

@@JohnnyCake6759 OP died after posting his comment rip Reece Fielding ???? - 2022

[@saltycomet]

Definitely a possibility that they just write off

[@diegomo1413]

When he was detailing how he started down this rabbit on Wikipedia, clicking on a random actor on Better Call Saul and randomly going into the edit history, I started getting that feeling I get like when someone is trying to BS me.

[@sandeater0214]

@@diegomo1413 you think he's Chris?? lol

[@tenno3828]

It's amazing how entire pieces of media that would otherwise end up lost to time end up simply dormant in the corner of a past Wikipedia article. That is a testament not only to the fact that whatever is posted on the internet stays there forever, but also a testament to the sheer size of it. Finding lost media isn't a matter of if, it's simply when.

[@cactuslietuva]

Depends. A lot of stuff is lost only small portions remain

[@Willowposting]

I wish that were the case for mediums outside of the internet. A lot of lost films are gone forever thanks to a fire.

[@ohnoitschris]

Speaking of which, just how much lost media of value is just sitting around to this day on random VHS tapes? Those are so much harder to go through, and I doubt any new players are being manufactured

[@emptytomb4967]

@@ohnoitschris and they degrade after time, so they're no longer viewable.

[@MrJest2]

Yes and no - we are *losing* more "media" in terms of computerized data than ever before; vast reaches of the web (to say nothing of the actual internet) have long since vanished forever. It is entirely possible that this project is literally gone; especially considering it's photo-and-web page format. Maybe someone has the original photograph negatives laying around, but the web page code itself is probably long gone, along with whatever old IDE hard drives they were stored on from nearly two decades ago, as well as the servers they ran on. Melted for scrap or buried in a landfill somewhere outside of Toronto, the odds of ever finding an intact "episode" of CR6 is likely nil.

[@ohsoedgy6888]

>New BlameitonJorge >50+ minutes long LETS GO!

[@L0rdOfThePies]

YEEES BEEN WAITING

[@MikeWazOcka]

it felt like only 15 minutes, such great content

[@L0rdOfThePies]

@@bellaamber5559 are comment bots self aware now?

[@SisterDogmata]

Long Jorge's are best Jorge's. Okay, that sounded weird..

[@jenngaudio497]

Uh... I watched it, finished, was minding my own business thinking I sat here for 20 minutes. Until I read your comment.

[@SwankyKitteh82]

I'm not convinced this guy is dead. With all due respect to the family, it honestly looks like there's actually more evidence that he's alive than not.

[@saltycomet]

💯 Quite possibly talked to him or someone who is talking to him during the discord chats

[@jacobw6697]

Found a short synopsis for cr6 from the 90s in a newspaper " 6 friends meet at the funeral of a dead man none of them remember"

[@FritzMonorail]

do you have a picture of the article by any chance?

[@anomitas]

Sus synopsis

[@solongdreamworld]

The "I've said too much" Screams to me of NDAs. It might be less they don't want to talk about so much as they CANNOT talk about it without legal repercussions. That'd explain why everyone who has talked has stayed anonymous or declined to give more information. It'd be worth asking the next person they can contact whether there's an NDA.

[@retrocysper3709]

But they were anonymous and the uploader censors out their names. So they can get away with it.

[@anthonyruggiero1988]

And if Chris was the director and he's passed on, wouldn't that pretty much all but nullify the repercussions of violating the NDA?

[@drowningin]

NDAs don't last that long. And if he wasn't alive who would come after him? I've had top secret information from my time in the military that didn't last 20 years past the date

[@davidstuckey9289]

As others have pointed out, an NDA is conditional on time and other factors. For example, an NDA filed by a company that no longer exists, unless a codicil states that it is specific to a patent or an IP, or even to a person, will eventually expire and "the truth comes out" as they say. Even if this was part of a massive court case (For financial or . . . Yes, let's say it, other crimes committed in the making of the show, if it existed), the statute of limitations and/or NDAs would still be a limited length in time. Never heard of anything blocked in perpetuity, and even so, there could well be leaks.

[@TheRecallBerserk]

This it not how NDAs work

[@imshiki23]

Chris McKinstry's wikipedia page now reads: "In 2021 KZbinr blameitonjorge, uploaded a video talking about McKinstry's life and the search for the aforementioned CR6. The video mentions some theories that Chris is still alive, which has led “internet sleuths” to believe that Chris is not dead, while most evidence proves the alternative." Strange! EDIT: Seems already edited out. This mention is no longer there!

[@lifeguardpanda]

Sorry, that was me. I was in the discord for the search and we saw that the Wikipedia was changed to make it seem like he faked his death and didn’t feel like that was right so I changed it to that

[@AhDollar]

@@lifeguardpanda lol chris probably changed it back by now

[@UntarLaManteca]

Now it's changed

[@Lunarxiri]

It isn't there anymore tho

[@retrocysper3709]

@@AhDollar Chris is probably alive and 24/7 checking his wikipedia page. LMAO XD

[@purplecat4977]

I know this is kinda late and might be pointed out elsewhere in the comments, but that phrase in Spanish doesn't mean 'there's no death certificate'. It means 'you haven't given us proof that you should be allowed access to this certificate'. The way it's written very much implies that the certificate exists. They're just not gonna hand it out to randos from the internet.

[@tastycheddar1113]

I am from Winnipeg, and was a student at the University of Manitoba in the mid to late 90's when all of this was going on. Was big into tech at the time but had never heard of this at all! Fascinating! That being said, the Winnipeg Free Press does have an online archive of all their old newspapers, their article shown at 21:22 is available at the site, along with a dozen or so articles mentioning CR6 as well. Don't know if it will help, thought I'd mention it just in case.

[@fau3058]

what is the website?

[@russellst.martin4255]

After knowing there's ambiguity behind Chris' death, taking a second listen to the very public manner in which he broadcasted his "suicide" comes off suspiciously deliberate. I feel like cast/crew of the show know this too, as something so trivial as a 20 year old failed web series isn't something multiple people would tell you to stop looking into. He seems exactly like the type of guy who could slip a few bucks to the right person to type up a death notice in the paper.

[@emiach]

I wonder if he somehow got people some of the money he owed them, and that is why they are so ridiculously defensive and quiet about it.

[@nick0tripp312]

@Caleb OKAY usually debts go away after so many years

[@toast1672]

@@nick0tripp312 Legal debts, yes. Who knows what kind of money he could have been sourcing for AI technology. I mean I'm clearly just following the thread here, in my opinion that's a bit fantastical but stranger things have happened in this world. Any government could have been involved, AI has been a huge thing for militaries for decades now even though its barely been around. Just some interesting thoughts, I don't necessarily believe them. (fbi guy pls dont suicide me i love u)

[@FailFries]

Maybe he was planning on faking his death with a supposed drug overdose but then someone found him and murdered him staging it as a gas related suicide?

[@mrradio4586]

@@FailFries that.. doesnt make sense

[@QuietM4n]

This is beyond intriguing. It's weird that the person who responded to Chris’s note said something about the 7th dimension, and then the after death Chris’s post also says something about the 7th dimension. That's not a turn of phrase I'm familiar with, and to hear it twice made it stand out. Also, if you did get conned into doing work for no money, wouldn't that be an incentive to help bring that project to light.

[@gladitsnotme]

I'm slow, I've never even heard of the 4th, 5th, or 6th dimensions lol

[@trentonamori-medley9223]

I think that the person who wrote the 2006 chris message was referencing the first person who responded to his suicide note that said something like "have fun in the 7th dimension."

[@QuietM4n]

@@trentonamori-medley9223 that's certainly a possibility. It's just highly suspect. Just saying it wouldn't be that weird if it was found out that he was talking to himself in that group. It's happened before

[@mascotwithadinosaur9353]

Idk if this has anything to do with it, but where I'm from, when we want to give a ridiculous number we usually go for 7 or a number containing 7. I know 7 has some cultural, spiritual meaning of some kind, but Idk what the meaning is. Some examples could be: "Well you live like 7 miles away!" (not a literal 7 miles); "You're not buying 7 of those, are you?" (again, not literally 7); "I swear this is the 7th time I changed schools!" (kid prob changed them 3-4 times). The person who first said "See you in the 7th dimension" or something clearly intended to mock Chris, so they exaggerated. It's possible that they were also from a country that has a similar association with 7, so to make it clear that they are mocking Chris, they used the number 7 to indicate that this is an exaggeration. The second post containing the phrase could just be mocking the original reply back. Again, Idk if what I'm saying is actually helpful, I just wanted to clarify that 7 has certain meanings and uses in some cultures.

[@dannyg.4421]

good catch! it might be plausible for it to be a reference to something, maybe to RC6 soap opera or it could be a troll like a running joke. its not a common phrase i have heard either.

[@alarimbaud3155]

It almost seems to me that *this* is the show: a cast and crew who seem to repeat the same lines, be ambiguous about the same things, a creator who said he thinks this could go on for decades, old cast and crew who leave what are ultimately breadcrumbs, for a show that's... just photos? All it would take is someone to have the foresight for what the internet would become, or might become. Honestly, jokes about this stuff weren't uncommon; "we should _____, maybe someone will find it in 20/200 years", pondering what future internet archeology might be like. There's probably lots of stuff stoned people did offhand with that idea in their heads. The possibility of *this* being something like that isn't absolutely unfathomable. Perhaps everyone forgot about it, and now that people are interested, they're just playing their roles and saying their lines. It is oddly defined as a soap opera with mystical elements (death, rebirth, ambiguous states in between) projected to last for decades, right? Sounds like the narratives coming out are ripe for that.

[@danielhaddock91]

I literally watch this video every few months and just wait for an update.

[@vault_tec_404_4]

He is still alive I wouldn’t be surprised if he started the search himself. He seems that egotistical.

[@TheModernGafa]

The whole "I was looking through 15 year old edits of a Wikipedia page for an actor who was on Better Call Saul," bit was.... weird. Jorge never even mentions that actor again?

[@HarmonAtcher]

@@TheModernGafa Doesn't seem that weird to me. I find myself going through pages and pages of Wikipedia articles after just trying to find one thing, especially with actors and their connected works. I find unexpected stuff that people worked on a lot, although never to this degree. And it sounds like this is a regular thing for this guy too. It just happened to lead to this weird case this one time.

[@ronank2432]

@@TheModernGafa guy has ocd probably and makes sense its because of distraction

[@RadioheadPleaseDropAlbumTen]

He most likely didn't start the search. The person who started it is the guy being inter viewed throughout the video. He is probably not Chris.

[@henriquejambu]

@@TheModernGafa not really, I think a lot of us get lost in those Wikipedia rabbit holes after a while

[@1231heyo]

Something that stood out to me was how in Chris's suicide note he says he took pills to shut down his liver, but the Chile article says he died by using a plastic bag to suffocate on gas fumes. That does not add up at all. Why would he go through the extra effort to gas himself when he was already drugged up? And why didn't the Chile article mention the drugs in his system??

[@retrocysper3709]

Hmmm both of these seems a lie.

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

If he legitimately wanted to commit suicide it is not strange to assume he combined two methods as both drug OD (especially orally) and exit bag can be very unreliable. Exit bags often fail due to leaks and stuff, it takes quite a bit of preparation. He probably OD‘d on some drugs and then gas himself.

[@retrocysper3709]

@@youtubecommentsguy9805 Fastest Way Out.

[@beesindisguise5375]

It’s pretty hard to OD. Most of the time people who try to wind up failing, so it’s not too far fetched to think that he tried a backup plan

[@pimposki6232]

i tried to od and hang myself once. i failed on both counts but you can understand why somebody would want to cover all eventualities

[@TonyDSaint]

For anyone curious, that phrase at 50:16 roughly translates to “ Dear User, the dates/information imputed doesn’t/don’t complete/match the requirements to emit this certificate” It’s not perfect; I am not Chilean, but Mexican, so some words have different or double meaning. My two cents: this is all weird; like the certificate may not exist, or it may have been transferred into the Canadian system, or for some reason cannot be access by average citizens.

[@trekker105]

Maybe it's as simple as two characters in the death date being transposed in the digitization process even.

[@rlinders9972]

I've seen this show. The best episode was when Chris McKinstry said "It's CR-6ing time!" and CR-6ed everyone. I was amazed. Truly one of the web series of all time.

[@crashbandicoot5636]

*"It will hold people for decades"* Jeez I kinda felt a chill run down my spine.

[@andrearosario8512]

whoah.u got me thinking ...forget 'worlds first internet show'. maybe this ''worlds first ARG'.

[@sunnydargonnel]

@@andrearosario8512 An ARG 30 years in the making makes me seriously invested tbh

[@the4tierbridge]

@Edward Scissorhands But the man had extensive previous history. Many of his projects were both influential and somewhat famous.

[@the4tierbridge]

@Edward Scissorhands Ok? And! You are not did I specify his WORK, and not him, you only one person, you spam conspiracy theories in replies to comments. I’ve heard or MindPixel.

[@the4tierbridge]

@Edward Scissorhands So the Earth is flat, Kurt Cobain isn’t dead, and the moon is made out of cheese?

[@epsilon9669]

this is the closest thing the world has ever produced to a phoenix wright finale case. Right down to the letter-letter-number code for an incident in the past.

[@raspberry1440kb]

SR388

[@epsilon9669]

@@raspberry1440kb I see someone else bought metroid dread last night lol

[@raspberry1440kb]

@@epsilon9669 indeed; it is a wonderful game

[@sambradley9091]

oh god you're right

[@swagathan5]

DL-6 incident, CR-6 incident, coincidence? I think not! (ok, it is a coincidence, but it sounded cool)

[@scruffymakaveli6870]

There is another person who is also connected to Chris, his name is Push Singh. He was an AI pioneer but also legit committed suicide. He was more credible than Chris. I find it weird that two AI pioneers committed suicide who knew each other. Something seems off...I really hope Jorge dives more into the death of Chris Mckinstry. I know it will move away from finding CR6...but it really seems so intriguing.

[@robosexxxual]

forgive my bluntness, but, i find the response to chris’ suicide note incredibly fascinating as an early example of online reaction towards these types of things, considering it’s a very similar situation to what happened with etika

[@ethanhawksley9097]

Ironic that Bob Odenkirk, who plays Jimmy on Better Call Saul, having a heart attack lead to the uncovering of a conman.

[@cjm-bf6rv]

egg from mind craft gods paradise??????????

[@ethanhawksley9097]

@@cjm-bf6rv who is this

[@judge_dreddpool7593]

Slippin' Jimmy pulling a fast one on us. 🤣

[@ethanhawksley9097]

@@cjm-bf6rv who is this?

[@sensifacient]

That posthumous post reads like a joke by him that was probably queued to post an amount of days after his death. I planned a similar (but nicer) email right around that era, like a dead man's switch, that would be sent to my internet friends if I didn't log in for a set amount of days. So if I were to go through with suicide, they would know I had died.

[@listajones8042]

This is a very good one and possible with gmail, at least currently. Would it have been possible inside Google Groups at the time, or with a custom script?

[@sensifacient]

@@listajones8042 I would think it could be scripted. I was able to find an example of someone in 2008 describing a plugin they were working on for blog software (which would allow someone to update and access multiple accounts) that would look at whether a queued post was posted, then compare its date to the current date and post it if the date matched and the post was inactive. I recall similar things existing when I was planning to die. That is anecdotal, however, and it was a long time ago, so I apologize for not having evidence of it.

[@four-en-tee]

@@listajones8042 He is a programmer after all. I suppose that isnt out of the question...

[@tacothedank]

Thanks for sticking around :)

[@veilenedream5825]

yeah i thoight of that too! but doesn't explain the wikipedia edits

[@TheOneGuy1111]

One thing that stood out to me was the guy saying he didn't want to people bullying Chris like before. While it could be a matter of protecting Chris's image, it sounded like he didn't want people harassing a very much alive person.

[@InitialAA]

so..... Better Call Saul and Bob's heart attack is the reason why CR6 resurfaced? Better Call Saul wasn't limited to just good writing and pleasing people in its scope of doing good, but also all this I guess.

[@BlindProsopagnosic]

Even if Chris is truly dead, this is still the most suspicious and perfect mess of evidence that just happens to all be there and alive saying otherwise.

[@revetwrot]

Yeah, I’m thinking that he did fake his death, but between then and now, he did die.

[@evansmith667]

@Quantum Passport "Also $60,000 really doesn’t last 15 years. " I don't really know what to think but $60k can easily last a very long time, even in America (granted, probably rural America, but still) But Canadian/American currencies are INCREDIBLY strong in South American countries, specifically Chile. If you want to get conspiratorial about it you can also say that he may have even considered this factor when choosing where to go. Besides, he doesn't even need that money to last 15 years if he's willing to find a job that'll pay him under the table.

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

He seemed to have had a very obscure subculture following back in the days that kinda seems similar to Chris Chan trolls (less extreme probably), so I wouldn‘t doubt at all that people played with his identity after his death.

[@BNK2442]

@@youtubecommentsguy9805 It is weird seeing CC being compared with a guy who wrote an article called: "Mind as Space: Toward the Automatic Discovery of a Universal Human Sematic-affective Hyperspace - A Possible Subcognitive Foudation of a Computer Program Able to Pass the Turing Test."

[@youtubecommentsguy9805]

@@BNK2442 quantum buzzwords like them bogdanoffs, perhaps..

[@kas7145]

Another odd thing: a body is repatriated, not extradited. Someone who's actually done this - which you'd assume the person correcting the article would have intimate knowledge of - would know that. There's a ton of paperwork that has to be done and it will all say repatriation, not extradition.

[@the.whitest.violin9289]

Im sorry, but whats the difference?

[@kas7145]

@@the.whitest.violin9289 just legal jargon. A live person is extradited - usually for legal reasons. A dead person is repatriated. My point is it would likely be a family member or someone very close who would be monitoring the Wikipedia. If they were close enough to know the details, they likely would have heard the word repatriation. The average person assumes extradition is the blanket word because it's what's in TV and movies.

[@ridhosamudro2199]

So anyone tried to rewrite the article into that yet?

[@retrocysper3709]

@@ridhosamudro2199 if they did it'll just get back.

[@user-uk6lf1qp4c]

Well, the article was translated into English Does it say the same thing I. The native language?

[@Lundmunchkins2000TV]

Bro went from watching Better Call Saul to finding a real life Gene Takavic

[@crisbleisut7010]

Just did a quick search and found a famous chilean forum were people claimed back in 2006 that they saw the news of his death on television too Also, the message about the death certificate only says that I couldn't been found in the database with the info provided, on a forum saw someone found the "RUT" (chilean ID number), that would help a lot to research That's my contribution as a chilean watching this Very interesting video ✌

[@foxyfoxington2651]

This is bizarre... The whole dropping tidbits, saying "I've said too much" and then ghosting seems... Like, either deliberately leading or deliberately messing with people. Lots of folks have been involved with projects that were bad, but are still willing to acknowledge that they exist (there was a book and a movie made about the Room). People doing work they didn't get paid for is also not a new thing, though they usually end up in court cases (which ultimately become a matter of public record). Maybe if there was a settlement, they'd be forbidden from speaking about the terms... But since nobody ever got paid, I'm assuming that's not the case. The cloak-and-dagger "THIS WAS AWFUL AND NOBODY MUST EVER SPEAK OF IT EVER AGAIN" line is just too strange. It's also bizarre that there's no death certificate. No death certificate means that legally he's not dead and his creditors would still out there looking for him. Faking your death without a headstone or a death certificate, even a forged one, seems really half-assed... I don't think a hard-core debt collection outfit it going to call it a day just based on an article in a newspaper. So I dunno what to think. My gut says he's still out there somewhere, he's just been more diligent about covering his tracks.

[@PoptartParasol]

The suicide in the letter doesnt match the cause of death listen in the news article either

[@enkidorado4187]

The random discord users coming and and dropping images and bits of info make me think this HAS to be an ARG somehow. This all feels way too manufactured to be real.

[@foxyfoxington2651]

​@@enkidorado4187 Yeah, I didn't want to straight up call it out as an ARG... But the leading nature of the people they've interacted with so far makes it feel a lot like one. It reminds me a lot of the "Begotten"/Geometric Lullaby music mystery. Less like a straight-up ARG and more like someone trying to tell a story.

[@rebelliousreptile7336]

@@enkidorado4187 Being honest, parts of your idea seems to sound right but it seems a bit insane just to cover up a man's whole life for an ARG.

[@PalitoSelvatico]

The text in the end just says the certificate can't be issued because the data entry isnt the one requested. Its not the same as "non-existent" I don't know why they said that...

[@torakageoftheleaf]

The internet: there's a possibility that Chris faked his death Jorge: the evidence is there and worth mentioning but let's not assume anything so soon Me, sleep deprived at 1AM with a tinfoil hat: he "died" back in '06 but uploaded his consciousness into the internet which is how he's still editing those wiki articles

[@juancametalero1]

but... he was an A.I. prodigy right? just... what if he actually did?

[@TreeckoDX64]

_Serial Experiments Chris_

[@dejazO0]

tinfoilchef

[@softlycinematic]

that (obviously outlandish) idea popped into my head. there’s probably a movie out there with that plot (and there are many that are quite similar)

[@TreeckoDX64]

@@softlycinematic this is a common fiction trope, many types of media did this same plot

[@senacht]

There’s always the possibility that almost all the online contacts that have been made are Chris himself since there’s no voice contact, just text. That would be rather meta - using actual reality as a sort of “clickable reality” with all the researchers and investigators - and those following this story - effectively serving as its cast members. Maybe we should think of this as CR7?

[@zZzZUPER]

hi chris..

[@saltycomet]

Or someone who is in contact with him ATM. Both possibilities are likely why they would use the phrase "I've said too much"

[@crispywithinthemeat]

Very funny how this rabbit hole about the early work of an authority escaping con man was started because of Better Call Saul, which is abt the early work of an authority escaping con man.

[@stevesteves945]

I find it difficult to believe that a pioneer in AI doesn't use a VPN or a proxy server to at least cover his tracks.

[@LightzUp]

@Edward Scissorhands If you read the "El mercurio" article about his suicide you'll know that it's impossible to be fake, the article it's from 2006 from the most popular chilean news paper. As I chilean I checked the archive myself and it's legit.

[@LightzUp]

@Edward Scissorhands It doesn't matter, you said it was an ARG, again, this is archived from 2006 lol. They can lie, sure, but it's not an ARG.

[@frazzleface753]

@@LightzUp Are you sure it's impossible to fake that page? How did you search for the page? Through the El Mercurio or Emol website itself or on an archiving service like wayback machine? I searched on Emol and turned up nothing. My theory is that the page was faked by Chris and inserted into an internet archive sometime after his 'death'. I don't know if it's possible to fake a url link that makes it look like emol or elmercurio, but this guy had a large amount of tech knowledge and it seems plausible. Either way, El Mercurio should be able to confirm what was and was not published. This really is the key because it's the only independent evidence that exists of his death., or that a deceased person was found in his apartment.

[@codemiesterbeats]

@@LightzUp I just read a comment by a "Isabel Ruiz" that says: "Im from Chile and does not know about this (even liking this kind of content) some things I can say are: El mercurio (the news paper) have lied a lot of times in advantage of people with money or politic power, there's even a very well know documentary called "el mercurio miente" who translates to el mercurio lies In the other hand, I dont know... those kind of things happened to be very common in here so I dont think is too farfetch to thing of corruption involving the case. Maybe if we search his involment with universidad adolfo ibañes where the edit was done? it should be checkable in their data, but if he planed to do this it will be very difficult to obtain info.

[@LightzUp]

@@codemiesterbeats It's possible, I've never said that he is alive or not. I was discussing if this was an ARG or not, it's not.

[@erasmotamayo1937]

This is by far the most creepiest rabbit hole that has actually gave me chills especially that last minute update.

[@dtho6231]

Not really that creepy some guy owed tons of taxes, debts, and probably committed some type of fraud. So he ran off staged his death to get out of paying, it really isn't that uncommon people do it.

[@skyrimn00b98]

I hope CR6 gets an update.

[@PunkExMachina]

Chile is particularly good at keeping records of birth and death certificates. Death records are public and anyone can access them. I find it odd that there’s nothing there about the guy. I think he’s dead but I don’t think he died at that time in Chile. If he did go through the trouble of faking his death I think the logical thing to do next would be to move somewhere else (prob in Latin America) and change his name as soon as his ‘death’ in Chile was known to the public. I still think he’s dead but if he’s still alive he would have changed his name already.

[@musicmakelightning]

There is a not-so-subtle inconsistency in Chris's suicide story. His on-line suicide "note" suggests he's taken enough dangerous drugs to "destroy his liver," and then implies he's losing his ability to focus to continue the messaging. Strange that he would comment on liver damage, which would hint at longer term effects, than, say, an opioid OD. And the newspaper article suggests he was found having gassed himself to death and mentions nothing about drugs, but a strange blood stain. Maybe they don't bother with autopsies in Chile.

[@--.._]

It's also strange as well. But even if he did use fast-acting drugs/meds, it probably didn't work as expected, so he resorted to inhaling gas. Suicide via overdose is much more difficult than most people think; there's many room for complication. The most probable thing that will happen is that the survivor will sustain damage and be hospitalized instead of dying.

[@ITSMRFOXY]

Chile absolutely does autopsies, my grandpa got one after he died.

[@musicmakelightning]

@@--.._ Excellent point. Thanks for that.

[@NoNoseProduction]

You forget he already damaged his organs from previous ODs. No telling if he was a drug abuser intermittently as well. Also, he could just be being hyperbolic or dramatic..no telling how if it was some emotional or personality issue that caused this. But I know that suicidal ideation from overwhelming emotions can make you, as said above, hyperbolic. The drugs failing and him trying to gas himself is common. Suicide attempts, especially those that have failed will learn from their mistakes. His was drugs plus suffocation. Although....now here is my skeptic brain, it sounds like this could also be a fabricated soap opera story as well...we were supposed to think foul play but his Spanish sucked so it just looked like suicide.

[@peek-a-boos]

They found blood next to his body, allegedly. This was likely from damage to internal organs, but I don't know the timeframe between the suicide note and date of death. Liver damage is definitely slow.

[@pyramidschema8668]

I love the review they decided to feature on their site is "quite watchable"

[@suedenim]

Pretty high praise for internet video content at that time!

[@danielx555]

Okay, if I understand this, a powerful cabal of swanky Canadian soap opera actors and crew members are treating the existence of this show like some kind of Illuminati secret? That's so awesome that I kind of actually am impressed. Like, just imagine them, with long flowing hair and silky outfits, the women wearing shoulder pads as they drink champagne from long flutes, driving sports cars, laughing too loudly at jokes. The fact that they probably all get together every year and yell at each other, threatening each other with total destruction if anybody ever breaks the bond of silence and allows CR6 to be viewed. This is incredible. It makes me think that I live in a much more exciting universe than the one I thought I lived in.

[@cymaratechoverdragon]

I'm 100% convinced he's still alive. Easiest way to tell would be to contact the morgue he lists in his 'afterlife' post and check for any records of him. And also contact the journalist who wrote the story of his death in the paper. Back in 2006 Chile was still relatively poor and new to technology, corruption was rampant as it was across most of south America, it would have been fairly easy to pay off a journalist to write a fake story of your death. Third way to do it is to simply edit his Wikipedia again and see if it goes back. Did anyone ever find any statements or contact from his family? Seems weird that your son's death made the news and yet there's no record of any sort of confirmation or even comment from you as his parents, they probably know he's still alive too. @blameitonjorge can we get a follow up on this?

[@WeebaLu]

This is definitely the best lost media video I've seen so far. I've never seen such a crazy search in my life! I do think Chris is definitely dead, but maybe he had a spouse or family member living with him in Chile that was adamant about preserving a more positive look at his legacy and trying to keep Chris' weird illusions alive for whatever reason. Though I do think it's super weird that all of this hatred and secrecy comes solely because Chris didn't pay anyone and was a conman. I'm thinking there's a little more, maybe everyone signed an NDA so they can't talk about it. Considering Chris and articles mention it was a very serious soap-opera then maybe there were very serious topics that were written and photographed that were humiliating for the actors involved, especially knowing they would never get paid for this.

[@SushiLord89]

Depending on the NDA. Most last 5 to 15 years I believe.

[@MashaRistova]

If they signed NDAs, he’s dead now… so who would even sue them if they breached it. I doubt NDAs are the reason.

[@Chiwowza]

Was it ever said who Jessie McKinstry was? That was the second name on Chris's Google account

[@tanner201x8]

Genuinely don’t know how y’all can think he’s dead. Y’all hear “conspiracy” and immediately dismiss it even when there’s evidence, smh

[@bloandon]

@@tanner201x8 maybe because of the point made that the fact that he hasn't left a digital footprint in over 15 years leads them to believe that he is now dead, but faked his initial death.

[@xoxtoddxox]

Has everyone stopped using local libraries for microfiche and digitized microfiche? Those old newspapers still exist as they hold a wealth of research gold. Not everything in online or archived in the wayback machine. Ask the librarian for help. They will open a whole new world of possibilities. They have connections to libraries and archives that have not yet uploaded their collections online.

[@mamagjewgj3970]

That was my thought too, that would be the first thing i'd do. I believe he is dead, and that the records aren't available on the internet. I bet a family member will come forward and confirm his death soon. :(

[@user84074]

As soon as he mentioned the newspaper articles, that's where my mind went: microfiche.

[@doomtext]

I had always seen that in movies and never known what it was called. I am stoked to finally know!

[@lightyagami3492]

That's what i thought as well. I learned how to search microfiche when i started working on my family tree so searching newspapers for information like this would be nothing new to me.

[@languid-4535]

@@user84074 same I’ve never even done that honestly have only seen it in movies and stuff but know what it is still

[@marienbad2]

I don't know if anyone knows this, but the name Heavy Early is from the old sitcom WKRP in Cincinnati. In a season 1 episode, DJ Johnny Fever uses it when he is working the night shift DJing. What is interesting here is that the title of the episode is "Johnny Comes Back" and is about Dr Fever returning to WKRP after leaving and getting fired from his new job.

[@CloverCutieASMR]

This guy who is heading this mystery's research is awesome. He's super invested and really good at investigating this. Props to him!

[@ZenizhivGreen]

You know, if the people that have a grudge on Chris, just gave the footage outright, we all just happy with it and move on. This is probably the only time where delaying the search cause an interesting outcome. Heck, I personally more interested on whole Chris death situation thing than anything else

[@illwillblessedthebeat]

Unless they accidentally filmed something they shouldn’t have filmed. That’s the only reason I could see why these people want to stay anonymous, seems to me if they wanted they money they could benefit from how public this story has gotten, unless it’s hella incriminating for whoever is involved.

[@Modern_Robot]

"Everyone looks great...quite watchable." That bad, huh?

[@ethansloan]

Yeah, if that was the quote they wanted people to see, just imagine all the reviews they hid.

[@kanna-san.]

"This show is a constructed fictional narrative"

[@nickjaquez1713]

That’s like saying a song is “listenable”

[@brandonfoster5892]

I think it’s honestly so ironic that when describing CR6 in the promo vid mckinistry says “our story is deep, it’s very deep. Its mystic. It’ll hold people for decades” compared to other soap opera. His prediction definitely did come true just not how he described😂😂😂 it’s like he was describing exactly the search for the show would go down decades later

[@pinkpools]

You just know Chris would be bragging about his correct prediction if he were still alive.

[@juanjosevasquez4760]

I'm Chilean and this is the first time hearing about this case. If there's source you would like to see I'd be glad to translate or search them

[@TheSonicfanx1]

"Look man, I'm literally just trying to find a 90s internet show." "But what about the production lore...?"

[@tgcg8088]

I’m fascinated by lost media, but this is one of the first times I distinctly recognize parts of the subject. My dad was really into tech in the 90s, and we had dial up as far back as 1995. I didn’t recognize the name, but Anna’s character and the website text/promotional stuff specifically recalled memories

[@reraoriharhoaifbkoasfbfef]

Damn, you know about this already?

[@tgcg8088]

@@reraoriharhoaifbkoasfbfef keep in mind this was over 20 years ago and I was a kid. Memories fail over time, but the more I saw of this the more I recognized. I didn’t even come here to watch about this specific show, I just like lost media content 😅

[@TheSheepWielder]

Why not ask your dad what he can remember?

[@bigbird7748]

Can you ask your dad? Is he still around?

[@tgcg8088]

@@bigbird7748 he’s been dead since 2001, unfortunately the only thing I have left in terms of tech is a CD carrier of software

[@bogshark]

If he did fake his death and intervene in the investigation, it’s so ironic that they only wanted to find information on the shows existence and not about Chris’ life and death, and he inadvertently led them to that by being so shady

[@atreeorsomething3129]

The blood mentioned in the beginning of the video and the whole “I’ve said too much” attitude definitely makes think it’s possible it wasn’t a suicide if he is in fact dead.

[@SenhorKoringa]

Bob Odenkirk heart attack, to BCS, to the Wikipedia for a random episode, to Fehr who played a random side character, to the oldest possible edit of his article, to this obscure web show, to the dude who created it, to the theory that he likely faked his death. Glad I’m not the only person who goes on mental tangents like this.

[@cinnamonboy4584]

"they tried contacting Chilean authorities but it proved uselsess" aa a Chilean citizen all i can say is: Yup, it do be like that

[@southerncaterpillar4443]

Even emol says this site can't be reached. So yeah

[@punchingbag1940]

Tú como ciudadano me podrías decir si el periódico donde publicaron el articulo ese es confiable mínimo?

[@whtwnd]

@@punchingbag1940 ya te respondieron, pero de todas formas también agregaré info. el mercurio es, probablemente, el diario mas reputado del país (diario con versión web y revistas adicionales de múltiples temas). todo tipo de información "oficial" pasa por ahí, especialmente en casos importantes. sin embargo, tiene un sesgo político notorio (es de derecha), por lo que se sabe que gran parte de la información relegada pasa por mil coladores (si la información no es del todo positiva para dicho sector político-social).

[@calmao666]

@@punchingbag1940 en corta, no , tienen un historial de manufacturar noticias y no me extrañaria que se diera el caso aqui tambien

[@Giluville]

acabcito?

[@manuelc5786]

*All possible signs of Chris being alive* Jorge: mm i don’t know 💅

[@nocturnalme3685]

“I wouldn’t be caught dead in an Olive Garden” Fair enough.

[@herbcraven7146]

Just a couple of bread crumbs for you to follow regarding one of the Discord ghosts: Heavy Early makes reference to a 2 part episode of WKRP in Cincinnatti. In part one, Johnny takes a job in Los Angeles and leaves the station. In part two, he comes back to find his morning slot taken, so he takes a job on the overnight shift, dubbing himself Heavy Early, perhaps not wanting to admit to the listeners that he failed in his new job. Don't know what it means in the scheme of things, but there you go.

[@joshmay2944]

Wow, now that’s an obscure reference!

[@Kae6502]

I recognized the reference to WKRP. Loved that show!

[@lasarousi]

A change name to avoid a past blunder, that sounds exactly like Chris changing his name and face to avoid past debt and being recognized. So, HE IS really heavy. Well if he actually ever listened to that show.

[@yoredeerleader]

In the pilot episode of WKRP Johnny Fever comes back to DJ the morning show on WKRP after WKRP switches format to a rock AOR radio format and after Johnny had been fired for saying the word “booger” on air. The show starred Loni Anderson as the “dumb blonde” receptionist who actually made most of the decisions for the boss. It’s episodes always featured thematically a struggle between the more progressive on air talent and the conservative business end of the station and portrayed conservatives as obvious idiots and bigots. Like the time when conservative weatherman Les Nessman decides to give out free turkeys at thanksgiving by dropping them from a helicopter into a mall parking lot not realising turkeys can’t fly. Causing them to plummet a thousand feet like bombs and blow up on contact. In another episode, a religious organization tries to get WKRP shut down for playing John Lennon’s Imagine, because it contained the lyric “imagine there’s no heaven, it’s easy if you try.” Luckily, America got over its religion problem because of that episode and the religious right was never a problem again in history ever again. The end. The show was one of the best written sitcoms of its time. It should really get more recognition.

[@charlesswenson259]

@@yoredeerleader hmmm. R u chris?

[@paolaluftnagle7099]

Damn this was insane. How have I never even heard this story before? This would make a great internet soap opera-

[@antifagoat6591]

Hmmmmmm...!

[@mrsuns10]

He’s still conning us

[@SamSmithsamek15]

#longcon ?

[@YEETUSDAFEETUS]

CR7

[@fluffcake]

No matter the outcome, the search and the reasons on how the series got so obscure will always be interesting.

[@enderdragonvil]

jesus this was 2 years ago?? i was here when it came out holy crap

[@tadhalpin1595]

Same man, time flies like crazy

[@krathar]

39:10 "..the only source for CR6 online comes from Chris' own mouth." 28:43 heavyearly69 posts a picture of a newspaper ad for CR6 not available anywhere else online Wait a minute.

[@a_platypus]

I just don’t get why heavyearly69 even posted the picture in the first place if they were so against CR6 being investigated. Was it purely to gain credibility as someone who worked on the show? Why did they keep the newspaper ad for all that time? Why go to the effort of finding a scrap of newspaper and take an incomplete photo of it, only to say not to investigate any further? Why wait 6 hours?

[@Ammanthiel]

This sounds kind of extreme and probably silly, but the whole "I've said too much" thing those two people said, makes me wonder if somebody was badly hurt during the production of the show and it's been covered up. Although, the creative team suing him or something else money related makes way more sense. If there was an active investigation or lawsuit it would explain why nobody's saying anything. At least, to me. I don't honestly know if you can really sue somebody in another country for something related to money, so there's that. However, if he really is deceased, those previous theories make zero sense. I should also mention that I'm not very smart so if this is complete nonsense I'm sorry.

[@c.j.4180]

If this dude was as big as conman and as bad with money as everyone seems to be saying/implying he was, I wouldn't be surprised if he got into some debts with some shady individuals as well. Could also explain why people don't want to say too much.

[@Ammanthiel]

@@c.j.4180 very true. I agree

[@zeirekqc6244]

i also wonder if they try to cover something maybe is only they think the show is bad or somthing more sinister or ilegal

[@foxyfoxington2651]

You're onto something with the court case theory... If there was some sort of ongoing legal action, though, there should be some sort of record of it. Also, just because you can't comment on the case doesn't mean that you can't acknowledge that there is one. You'd think they could at least say "This is a part of an ongoing court case and I can't discuss it any further at this time". It kind of comes off as trying to be deliberately mysterious or enticing.

[@shelbybrenn5125]

It sounds more like there might be a non-disclosure agreement than a cover-up. It could have been part of the terms of selling the rights to the show, or it could have been part of a private settlement agreement over no one being paid, etc. I know a century of movies and television has trained our brains to link "I've said too much" to "CONSPIRACY!!!" but it's usually a lot more mundane and boring than that in real life.

[@MsHojat]

*There's a whole documentary about Chis that was made in 2010.* It's odd that this wasn't brought up in the video. At the time of writing it can be viewed in full on KZbin (just search for *"The Man Behind the Curtain"* ). Although it's probably no coincidence that the video (at least that one) was uploaded to KZbin just 2 days after this video was published, but maybe it is? Anyway, the biggest thing one can get from that documentary with regards to statements/implications in this video is that he certainly _did not_ go to Chile to fake his death or commit suicide. He had an interest in space, and did an interview to work as a telescope operator. That's not the kind of action someone planning on faking their death would generally do. What's more is he even recorded himself on video, talking before and after the job interview, and more. He clearly cared about it quite a lot. He was also extremely troubled and suicidal (if that wasn't already obvious from this video), so it makes sense that it was just a spontaneous suicide.

[@aestrobloome]

scariest part was when the guy said "ten years ago, so like 2011"

[@TheDigitalApple]

Always remember, after this video is uploaded, this piece of lost media will most likely be uploaded knowing Jorge’s track record!

[@blameitonjorge]

I'd be damned

[@nostalgiamostalgia0319]

@@blameitonjorge U know it

[@chumismetabolicfuel6200]

Demon Commercial moment

[@keynanmartinez]

@@blameitonjorge The mystery will be found.

[@AhDollar]

Heck, at this point, the last thing on my mind is CR6. Nice as it would be to see the dang thing resurface, I just want to know if Chris is alive or not, where he is if he is alive, what the Canadian tax authorities will try to do to him after someone gets fed up and sends all the information we have to them (including the Chilean IP address) just to get right down to it and settle this whole p1ssing competition one and for all, and how he inevitably escapes their custody and disappears again from existence.

[@meatwad42069]

i can’t be the only one somewhat convinced that heavyearly69 is chris if he faked his death

[@ronank2432]

probably not, the discord guy seems complaining about chris being cult of personality, but anyway the 69 correlating with the 69k debt is sus

[@criminallyautistic8372]

I think it was the same chick who declined joining Discord and that "assistant" something tells me its the same person

[@criminallyautistic8372]

@@ronank2432 Ohh yeah. Good catch bro. That is totally suspicious indeed.

[@mrsuns10]

Yeah what if all these people are the same person

[@flashpone7910]

so some genius millionaire dude fakes his death 20 years ago, and is petty enough to join an obscure discord group to chime in? sounds really out there.

[@crabohato4954]

Y'know what's so weird tho? Despite how the actors and Chris himself described CR6, no one virtually remembers it. I haven't seen one single person coming out and saying "oh I remember that website dude". Even though they went on CBS, NO ONE has come out and said they were something like a fan

[@lmbrjcksn]

Jesus, I think I remember visiting the CR6 website back in the day.

[@JohnnyCake6759]

Do you have any memories of your thoughts about it from back in the day?

[@lmbrjcksn]

@@JohnnyCake6759 I didn't even realize I had been to the site until the wayback machine called up the webpage and I recognized it. Honestly, I thought it was kind of stupid at the time and only read through a few bios before I gave up. Blame that on slow modems and youth. I couldn't be bothered to wait on things to load or read through anything back then.

[@chrisw6164]

It sounds like he raised a million bucks, all told, to create the show. That’s not a huge amount of money, even in 1996. Any collection agency could have sued him at any point prior to his death ten years later, whether he was out of the country or not (they could at least file it, anyway). And it sounds like Brown was only one creditor, so that means he owed Brown significantly less than $1m. So weird.

[@dormiebasne3578]

It may have been that he had creditors/victims of cons from before and after, for larger sums of money, in addition to some possibly more unsavory things happening around him, given the reluctance of everyone to discuss any details of their involvement with him. It's not unheard of for people to fake their death for seemingly trifling reasons, and I think this also should take into account the seeming megalomania/borderline personality tendencies this guy had. I, myself, strongly suspect he didn't actually die, he conned El mercurio somehow into running the story and that he is currently dead from suicide which occurred after his supposed death, given his mental state.

[@dm44444]

If he did fake his death to escape debt, he almost certainly had much more debt unrelated to CR6. If he really did sell that software and become a millionaire when young, it's very probable he let it go to his head (sounds like it), overspent, and then spent the rest of his life spending as if he were a millionaire even though he'd already lost it all. That's pretty standard for people who make a single, unexpected windfall. I imagine he owed way more.

[@dormiebasne3578]

@@dm44444 I think he mostly was wealthy, relatively speaking, from over hyping tech stuff during the era of the dotcom boom when people were less critical, conning them. He overstated his wealth often, seems to be the impression. I think taking his own death was another element of his delusions of grandeur. I believe that seemingly posthumous post is absolutely keeping in character with who this man was.

[@IamAJoe]

7:51 "He told U he wuz hardcore" *Star Wars Kid* Now that is a reference to another drug induced suicide I didn't think I would hear about again. If anyone is interested its a reference to the death of Brandon Vedas aka ripper on IRC who had said "i got a grip of drugs". So other people in the video chat session challenged his claim and he took 320mg methadone, 24mg klonopin, 120mg resotril, 1.5 grams KB, 4 grams mersh,130mg inderol and drank some 151. He may have also taken 400mcg LSD, 2g Mescaline, and 100mg 5Meo DMT but people don't fully know. One of his final words in the chat was "I told u I was hardcore" and he had died. Early internet history for you kids.

[@superturret]

I remember seeing that phrase and getting linked to ripper quite often on encyclopedia dramatica lol

[@Rippertear]

yikes. I feel bad for choosing this name now...

[@bjorntheviking6039]

Cool story, grandpa.

[@chirara1071]

Omg ty. That’s a good one dude. Wish someone would make a video about this!

[@PeterGriffin11]

What does that have to do with Star Wars???

[@gisanh]

McKinstry worked at Entel which is a mobile service here in Chile, I might be able to ask around, this thing got me curious asf

[@liengandriod55]

How did it go?

[@dejankulusexy4472]

update?

[@DeadFieldofFlowers]

The “I’ve said too much” thing just opens endless possibilities to what could’ve possibly happened that made everyone who worked in or on this show stay in complete secrecy after all these years

[@Kurt0v]

My feeling is that a lot of the people involved with Chris and the show's production, were hypnotised by Chris ("it was a cult of personality around Chris"). They were young actors and staff that Chris took advantage of, and they bought his line. I think that was what "Diane" meant by "you had to be there", because the production period was probably, at the time, a magical time for a lot of the people involved, but very distressing for others ("he pitted people against each other and succeeded"). But after it became clear they were all conned and scammed, it's deeply embarrassing, and since a lot of them are also successful now, they don't want a record of it or even to talk about it. It's probably also a sensitive subject for them because they were emotionally manipulated/abused. All speculation but I think that is the most plausible reason that people are secretive of revealing details. None of the people involved stand to gain anything from it.

[@1TakoyakiStore]

I had wondered about this resembling a cult but usually with cults once the leader is dead they come out against it. But no... it's more like an abuse victim or mob ties. Everyone's afraid to say much of anything.

[@_swesters_]

@@1TakoyakiStore a cult of personality isn't really the same as a traditional religious cult. I think he most likely manipulated these people and was a fairly charismatic person who could make people believe this project was going to change their lives. I wonder if a lot of the actors and actresses are embarrassed to talk about something where they were lied to, or if they simply don't want to bring attention to such a controversial project that must've caused a lot of pain.

[@1TakoyakiStore]

@@_swesters_ I am aware that a cult of personality isn't the same as a religious cult although there is overlap. It still doesn't reflect the people's behavior to me. The majority of people who were involved are not saying that this guy was a terrible person or that he was a great person. No I'd rather you people not talk about this. Not even a I'm not allowed to talk about this. Just that they've said too much, which implies that something important is still on the line for them. What could that possibly be?

[@trentonamori-medley9223]

Maybe the Diane person was referring to Chris's time in Google Groups, and not necessarily her remembering the production of the show? I could be totally wrong

[@Truthisscarierthanfiction]

I agree, the way people are extremely hesitant about talking about it makes me think some production stuff went down we don't know about

[@joshkorte9020]

You have some lost media cases that are just 'oh this obscure show isn't archived on the internet, so let's contact the creator. The creator or holder of the media happily hands it over because people are interested in it.' Then you have cases like this. The 'I've said too much' case. It seems like there is some agreed upon pact here. Either verbalized or understood by the former participants that CR6 and Chris should stay buried. Whether he's alive or not, they don't want him to be seen. Maybe the IP and chat message was Chris, maybe it was someone who got a hold of his computer. This definitely feels like something worse than not being paid happened. Something that needs to be hidden. Something that could drive a man to commit suicide or fake it. I know as much as everyone else, but I'm very very suspicious of anyone and everyone involved.

[@davidgamboa1928]

Spanish here. the message translates to "Esteemed user, the data you have entered does not fulfill the requirements to emit this certificate", which it does not mean that there is no death certificate, but rather, that maybe is it protected by admin privileges? still, it just adds to the mistery.