Blatant Sexism With A Hint of Derangement

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[@Fryethusiast]

Please know that I don't hold any ill will towards Meghan or even dislike her. In fact, she made a well put together video. I just think it's important to bring light to this as misandry is severely overshadowed compared to misogyny. It's only fair to call it out when it's present to prevent the normalization of it. I could've articulated myself better but please do not harass her or attack her. She's not a bigoted person, just a very braindead take

[@torinbrown7299]

Thank you for respecting her by not encouraging any so-called "witch hunting". Regardless of what people say I know several people are probably already on there way to do so, but those people often are just 12 year olds who are just "following the leader". It's good to see that even when someone is committing some of the most BLATANT misandry, people don't feed into that side of themselves and respect the other person, especially nowadays.

[@AddyMeo]

2:10 “So she doesn't want male idols because that would bring in more male players” No. She did not say she wants to exclude players on the basis of their sex…She said she wants to retain a female led fandom. If more male players were to join the game, the fandom could still largely be ‘run’ by women. Not everyone who engages in media participates in fandom afterall. Even if there was an influx of male players, her hopes were that they would still have their focus on female characters. 2:35 Your hypothetical is a reality for many female players. Your fake “nasty female players” is very much real for the women who get harassed and excluded while being gamers. Meghan did not once call any players names in her video. I wonder why you did. 4:05 She was not arguing about fanfiction. She was pointing out the bias that fandom goers have for male characters even in a story that is ‘meant’ or largely centers women. There may not be fewer lesbian ships but there would absolutely be an increase in gay ships when there is a new male character. 4:50 If that isn't true then why do fandom goers purposely seek and create content of male characters more than females, even if there are few of them or even in backgrounds? She shows the outright proof of Splatoon’s fandom...can you prove that it's “very not true at all” that males aren’t favored? 6:30 Men have in fact asked invasive questions towards creators in order to push a specific response. It’s actually very weird to give money to the people you think aren’t representing you enough. 7:27 Well…yes! No need to say it like that. Again “plenty” of games is not more or equal to the number of games that center male characters for a male audience. Having a female lead also does not automatically make something good, especially if she’s so overtly sexualized or brutalized for the sake of ‘plot’ a point she makes. 10:45 You can't call her well-articulated video “ranting and waffling” when you just have a gameplay in the background and repeating yourself over and over…And to say she’s one of the people who “hate” the other side aka men is an overkill and just straight up lying. You seem adamant that this is ‘sexism’ and ‘misandry’ neither of which is possible. You need to rewatch the video since you’re very confused…more than the ones who are trolling in her comment section…

[@Enderi4n]

Splatoon is clearly designed to be a fun game in which all ages, genders, and sexualities can play

[@greengreenanimations]

Exactly! Its just a silly paintball game

[@DJOpaltavio]

Exactly it's rated E for everyone for a REASONNNNN

[@torinbrown7299]

Splatoon the funni woomy ink go brrr and at the same time it’s the game that makes you deeply question what it means to be human.

[@KyleoftheViridianForest]

She's acting like having one male idol will completely erase every other female character in the series, sis what?

[@Your-favorite-splatoon-player]

Word

[@DJOpaltavio]

Ikr

[@kamiladiaz1465]

The girl doesn't want her "lesbian shippps" to be tarnished by male idols. That's it. Specially in a game with too many female leads (smth good, don't get me wrong), as if male idols would erase the lesbo ships the fandom already have and love!

[@Rin-u2n-b8b]

fr we already got big man and he wasn’t a problem at all…no idols were exactly the problem.

[@machupichu18]

"Squid Sisters are the only ones who fit into the traditional definition of Japanese idols." The Squid Sisters were literally stated by the dev team to be based off of Western Pop Music and female pop musicans over here in the West. Already 5 seconds in and I don't trust this video like I swear this is one of the most common pieces of Splatoon Trivia lol

[@mysryuza]

I understand ramble videos but sometimes you gotta need a script

[@Luna-lynn]

BRO IS COOKING DELICIOUS MEAL

[@torinbrown7299]

@@bobbymamand9876 no their not talking about this video, their talking about Meghan's video. You might've misread.

[@AddyMeo]

She actually said “idol is used to represent a character of the game's main musical group. All of the members of the Now or Never Seven are idols. Even though the Squid Sisters are the only ones who fit into the traditional definition of Japanese idols.” She’s right. Considering the sisters are *also* Japanese coded by their design and the word idol is used to refer to Asian pop singers in real life.

[@SnoFitzroy]

@@AddyMeo Also just. Everything about Marie? Are we just gonna ignore Marie's tradJP style of dance and song when she's solo? Her outfit in S2? Her manner of speech? She's clearly an explicit representation of traditional Japanese culture, while Callie is a little more ambiguous as even BRB straight up sounds like western pop if you ignore the whole "splatoon music is entirely made up of Japanese syllables" thing

[@saladude]

She literally says that she doesnt want the female characters to only be seen as love interests, but it sounds like she is so obsessed with fanfiction and the characters having lesbian ships that she is also objectifying the female characters and only seeing them as love interests.

[@greengreenanimations]

Theyre kids bruh 😭

[@icebearlikestrains6238]

​@@greengreenanimations all of the idols are adults

[@ArendAlphaEagle]

Specifically, she doesn't want these female characters to be seen as love interests _for men._ She doesn't want _men_ to be involved in ships, wants to keep them girls-only. Them being seen as love interests for other women is fine apparently. So no, I don't think that line makes her a hypocrite, but rather a misandrist.

[@greengreenanimations]

@@icebearlikestrains6238 oh

[@enderwolf1496]

oh no, a straight relationship, how evil, we cant let the kids see straight people in their media

[@saintlugia]

I think they should add male idols to broaden the types of relationship dynamics, you can have a brother suster pairing like the vocaloid twins or have a gay couple be idols and or see what splatoon's take on a boy band could be. I think that adding new things to the sploon universe will help keep it fresh.

[@DJOpaltavio]

Vocaloid mentioned !!! I think you're talking about Kagamine Rin and Len.

[@IamTheWatcher1]

Len and Rin are genderbends of each other but i see your point

[@0everest0]

"have a gay couple be idols" pearlina is canon and I don't accept opposing viewpoints (edit: I know we're talking about Achillean relationships here, don't worry)

[@saintlugia]

@@0everest0 I meant gay m/m not lesbian

[@Random0king-tw5pn]

Chaos gremlin that mains a shower head looking weapon and a surfer dude who mains a hair dryer looking weapon.

[@ChicaGaming_Z]

Also what she's saying is just insane??? And wouldn't adding a male idol just attract more female players instead of male players??? I'm just telling you that the app Love and Deepspace is one of the most popular mobile apps ever and it features male characters you can get with your female self insert. Are the majority of male players are interested in that? Probably not, and its popularity is because of its female players, lmao And tbh I belive its also the same with having more good looking female characters would also attract more male players, but that doesn't mean people can't be attracted to characters of the same gender as them (queer or not)

[@242bfullofme]

“Is it really selfish to want… this one thing for myself??” YES😭that’s what selfish means.

[@LyraKat_]

It may be selfish by definition, but the argument boils down to being afraid of the fandom changing. It's an understandable human reaction, even if it probably shouldn't be taken as a real suggestion for the series to go towards. 🤷‍♂️

[@nuke_raider]

I remember watching this video a few weeks back, and my biggest issue with it is that out of context, you would think she is talking about a fully, or at least majority male led cast from now on, but shes literally talking about any man any at all being a main idol.

[@S4pplebees]

So I KIND OF understand where she’s coming from I guess because splatoon is one of the few more diverse e-sports with a lot more afab people in it and I think if the demographic of men was much higher than women, there probably wouldn’t be as much diversity and it would be much harder to get in as an afab person. But as a transman? I really want to see myself in the idols too. I want to see a male idol who’s sassy, smart, and confident. I don’t think adding one or even adding an all male idol group would upset the balance in the splatoon fandom. I also think it’s ridiculous that she’s talking about the fanfiction side of the fandom. Adding an all male idol group will not magically make every fic on wattpad or ao3 mlm instead of wlw and I don’t think this is important as keeping the competitive scene safe for women and nb people. Men deserve representation too and I think she’s just scared of the fandom changing.

[@InsertQuarterPlz]

I'm gonna shout in text. Just want you to know before i type this. THE FANDOM ALREADY IS CHANGING🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣📣📣📣📣📣📣 OUR SHIFT FROM SPLATOON 2 AND 3 IS LIKE A AVERAGE HOME TO BURNING TRASH! You cannot tell me that you look at Splatoon 3 and say: "Man. I'm proud of this community." People always want this and that. It influences not only the devs (Evidence:Side Order) but the boundaries of who can play with who during special events! (Evidence:More Regional Splatfests) Heck, YOU CAN'T EVEN SAY WHAT RELIGION YOU'RE IN! (Evidence:Plaza Posts, people saying they're loving AntiChrist) "Lets just go to twitter." GUESS WHAT! (Evidence:Splatoon Twitter livid over losing Splatfests) Honestly I barley go to the community anymore and focus on gameplay. Because i can't say confidently, "Splatoon is my favorite fandom." But here i am. Watching people who tells the truth. I just needed to get that out of me for a moment. Sorry.

[@torinbrown7299]

@InsertQuarterPlz Real quick, what do you mean when you use Side Order as an example? Sure, gameplay-wise, it's just copy/paste Hades, but it's DECENTLY good (and as a Roguelike connoisseur, it's probably one of the worst, but it's also a dlc so I'll give it a pass). Unless you're talking about Pearlina being canon, in which case, yeah, it influenced the devs, and not necessarily in the best way sometimes. As for the plaza posts, yeah, you're right, but not for the reason you think. Yes, there are some people who don't get that "Jesus loves you" is supposed to be taken positively (mostly because of their own past experiences), but the "Satan loves you" thing is more of a joke. A bad one, anyway. As for Twitter, I'm impressed that you considered that as an option, considering it's a hell of its own. Finally, you say that you focus on gameplay because the community is so bad. Nothing wrong with this point, just surprised anyone has the mental patience to consistently play the game, considering that most of Nintendo's tactics to get people to play games require FOMO, which I don't have all that often. In summary: bro is completely based.

[@Goldiethesalmon]

Sexism is a complicated topic It goes both ways which many don't realize Like yes women have to deal with it way more sadly But at least people are trying to fight against it Whenever I hear of a guy experiencing sexism The only reaction to that I hear of is just no reaction at all Either that or just a suck it up reaction

[@DJOpaltavio]

✅ We need to stop Sexism and inequality.

[@Goldiethesalmon]

@DJOpaltavio you're naive Those things will never happen As sad as it is

[@DJOpaltavio]

@@Goldiethesalmon Unfortunately. The Earth and all it's inhabitants (us) are doomed.

[@Goldiethesalmon]

@DJOpaltavio indeed We will all d*e

[@seaberrysvideodump9602]

misandry does exist but it's rare due to the opression thing ad most women having the smarts to not just swap the script. but whe it does happen it sticks out compared to lighthearted "lol ha ha men dumbass"

[@garrytheplatipus1712]

i think she’s overthinking about it, splatoon 4 would be more fresh with a male idol or male protagonist.

[@birdflox1337]

Disagree

[@JouMaxu]

agreed

[@Artificer_]

to be fair the protagonist can be any gender you want because they’re literally you

[@daim64_]

get it? fresh? because it's a double entend-

[@IamTheWatcher1]

​@@birdflox1337self liker LMAOOO

[@JARG-u4z]

the splatoon community is so weird...

[@JARG-u4z]

i might quit splatoon tbh i dont wanna be known as the person who likes a game with these types of people

[@everynameiwantistaken]

You can say that again. And the weirdness is both good and also hillariously bad

[@antusFireNova]

​@@JARG-u4z you shouldn't avoid playing something you like just because some people are weird

[@bobbymamand9876]

Shouldn't stop doing what you like out of fear of judgement of others. Social anxiety for ya

[@torinbrown7299]

@@JARG-u4z Trust me, Splatoon is worth playing. I know I might sound a bit like a nostalgic, but the older games, in particular S2, were so, SO much better done than S3, back when the community was as good as gold and the gameplay was fresh, exciting, and had an actually COMPETENT STORY MODE THAT ADDED TO THE LORE WITHOUT BREAKING THE ENTIRE FABRIC OF WHAT SPLATOON STORY MODES ARE AIMING TO DO FROM A STORY PERSPECTIVE RATHER THAN A BUNCH OF FANTASY STUFF THAT MAKES NO SENSE IN ANY WAY TO THE FRANCHISE AS A WHOLE AND THAT'S NOT EVEN MENTIONING (goes on for several hours like this) In conclusion just keep hope that S4 is good. Not forcing you to do anything though.

[@MaddyRaddy9]

The way she says: "Is it really so greedy to want one thing?" Girl. You do understand that adding one male idol to the next game is also wanting to have just one thing, right? The only difference is that the Splatoon community will still continue to be very diverse and accepting of people of all genders if we were to get a male Inkfish idol. If we don't get one, it's honestly just going to be disappointing. I love having a female-lead series like this, and I doubt that that will ever change, because the world is becoming a more accepting place every day. There really is no downside to having one male idol, in fact, it'll probably being a lot of upsides!

[@EXtreme0209]

are they afraid of the stereotypical buff dudes going to splatoon if they have male idols? Bc they will probably not play splatoon bc one of the main characters a guy Most males that play splatoon won't be there bc one of the idols is a guy.

[@momob4276]

LOL her take is hilarious because the female idols are there to sell merch and appeal to the male gaze. It's not the kind of female representation she thinks it is. That being said as a female Splatoon player I WANT some cute male idols to appeal to the female players kind of like Kpop boy bands. The guys gets get cute girl idols, give us ladies (or gay guys) some cute boy idols. It'll never happen though. Guys drop more stupid money on buying merch of their waifus (look at gatcha games like Genshin) than women do buying merch of their husbandos. It's just catering to the markets to make money and people should not look into at any other angle. Hard disagree with her.

[@almost_raymond]

i don't think she meant that she wants less male players? there are already plenty of male splatoon fans that are very popular in the community, such as jaymoji, prochara, etc. i think she meant that the fandom would become obsessed with the male idol if they exist and have them overshadow the female characters, in which case i get where she's coming from because fandoms tend to prioritize men most of the time which is a legit problem that's worth discussing, but i don't agree with her that there shouldn't be male idols in splatoon because of that, because i honestly don't think the splatoon fandom would be too bad about this since the fandom is generally a lot better about this than most other fandoms which she even said in the video, and there are already male and non-female characters in splatoon that people ship and write fanfic about (the male agents, cuttletavio to name a few) but they don't overshadow the female representation. i think male inkfish idols are worth having, and i don't see an issue with that, even if some people obsess over a male idol i don't feel like it's inherently going to overshadow the women

[@thegoldenblob69]

for the love of christ, learn punctuation

[@almost_raymond]

@@thegoldenblob69 yeah, i wasn't thinking very much about my grammar when i posted the comment so it's probably annoying to read, sorry

[@loganmiller7827]

"I don't want male characters because fanfiction" is definitely one of the most bizarre takes I've ever seen

[@PheonixCantSpell]

Wouldn’t having a male idol bring more female players since boy bands are primarily made for a female audience? Either way you look at it, her argument is fundamentally flawed.

[@ArendAlphaEagle]

...I think I may have been watching too much Sir Musty... I see "fundamentally flawed" and I immediately think of him.

[@apolload5105]

Right? There are many games where you manage groups of male idols and the playerbase is usually mostly made of women! Besides... knowing the Internet, if we do end up having one or more male idols in splatoon, there are high chances people will headcannon them as a couple/ship them with other guys

[@S0BA_2007]

Pearlina will always be the biggest ship in splatoon💀 I like the ship, but adding more male characters wouldn’t change that😅👍

[@Tetodash]

Yes! If we get a single male inkling/octoling idol it doesn’t mean suddenly people will stop shipping Pearlina.

[@otomeroid]

Fr like Pearl and Marina ain't going nowhere, both are here to stay. ❤

[@krisd2518]

I did comment on her video too, but as a fellow lesbian, I can somewhat see where she's coming from with this-- the overshadowing of women, queer women in particular, in fandom does happen quite a bit, but usually in fandoms where said female characters are already treated pretty poorly by the source material, and at least from my perspective, it hasn't been as egregious recently, but then again, I don't read as much fanfiction as I used to, so I can't say for sure. But I honestly cannot see anything like that happening with Splatoon at all, no matter how many male idols they may add in the future, because the game's creators go out of their way to make sure its female characters are treated with just as much depth and respect as they have other Nintendo characters, hell, most of Splatoon's cast is more fleshed out than many of Nintendo's own male protagonists. And again, I don't think male players feeling so underrepresented is something that should be so easily overlooked, either. Especially considering a lot of Splatoon's fanbase is queer, gay and trans men should be able to see themselves represented in this game just as much as queer women are. Like, the only main male characters in the series are an evil bear CEO, a manta ray, and two divorced war criminals. I was super stoked to see that Acht was confirmed to be nonbinary, and I think the men in this fandom deserve to have that kind of feeling as well. (And, yes, I think it should go without saying that this does apply for straight and cis men too, but I'm focusing on queer men in this regard because they're often underrepresented elsewhere, too) She mentions how good it feels to see a fandom so openly loving of characters like her, but why does that only have to apply to her? As I said in my other comment, more diversity in this series can only be a good thing, given it's already one of the most diverse video games I've seen. Her fear seems to be extremely overblown, but I can tell it's one that comes from experience. That doesn't mean she's at all right about this, but again, I can see where she's coming from even though I disagree.

[@diseasedwombat5611]

I want female idols because women are hot I want male idols because men are hot. In conclusion: let Splatoon do what they do. The game’s still going to be fun as hell.

[@LyraKat_]

Waow whoever could you be

[@diseasedwombat5611]

@ what the heck

[@marlonhoek-po7gw]

ultimate Bi answer. (I'm Bisexual too)

[@cosme_fulanit0]

The real problem with Big Man is that he is underdeveloped, he literally adds almost anything to Deep Cut as a whole. The real deal would be to have a well-developed male idol and not just a goofball that just stands there

[@stephenrichter8940]

As a guy, that's a half decent characterization though lol. It could also quickly lead to issues with splatfests being more about wanting certain idols to win, like the shiver stans but a whole lot more toxic

[@ArendAlphaEagle]

Eh, I thought Big Man is fine. To be fair though, the writers have to juggle around THREE characters this time around, so it makes sense one ends up a little less developed.

[@bobbymamand9876]

​@stephenrichter8940 this was debunked a long time ago. MOST people don't vote based on idols.

[@NyahKatt]

all of deep cut is under developed though, not just big man! the whole idol group basically got kicked out of their own game 😭😭 like how they got zero presence in side order and how they were only minor antagonists with barely any lore in alterna

[@DuskNeko]

you'd think because the Splatoon fandom is supposedly female dominated according to that vid adding a male idol group would make more sense

[@Azzi107]

I can’t wait for Paul from SashiMori to be added as the splatoon 4 idol and completely overshadow the 3 way more popular groups from the first 3 games that basically every player likes, whether it’s just one of them or all 3.

[@DJOpaltavio]

Ngl Paul and his band becoming popular enough to broadcast Anarchy Splatcast/Inkopolis news would be really cool

[@prashanthstallworth9853]

But isn't splatoon already a male dominant player base anyway. Yeah female idol but that's not the same as player base.

[@prashanthstallworth9853]

Like when I was with my ex and she absolutely despised splatoon had no interest whatsoever

[@PikAdame]

It's so weird that she act like that I know so many games and videos games icons that are women. An easy example:Bayonetta And the fact that she literally say that she is afraid of having more men in the fandom is wild

[@BigPro1123]

Does she know that peach has her own game series? Peach definitely isn’t just a damsel in distress. She can kick ass just like Mario can.

[@Fryethusiast]

@@BigPro1123 Especially with the movie having her take on a more confident/assertive role

[@saintlugia]

To be fair if you don't count multiplayer games and spin offs the amount of peach centric games plummet.

[@ArgentuTA164-2]

@@Fryethusiast Not to mention more recent mainline games have given her a much more active role in the plot. In _Super Mario 3D Land,_ she attempts to fight back and escape (with my memory of Mario's reaction to those postcards giving me a "god I love that woman" feel), even if she does fail. (Nintendo please rerelease this game so I can play it without hand cramps.) In _Super Mario Odyssey,_ while she doesn't try to escape (even though it would be super easy), she does try her absolute hardest to not accept the marriage and even turns down Mario and Bowser when they get pushy. In _Super Mario Bros. Wonder,_ she's just straight-up a playable character. In _Super Mario 3D World,_ it was actually HER who kicked off the team's rescue mission in the Sprixie Kingdom by jumping into the pipe first, with the boys following after.

[@DJOpaltavio]

And that one 2DS/3DS game "Super Princess Peach"

[@stephenrichter8940]

​@@saintlugiaif it wasn't a spin off or multiplayer game, it would still be a Mario game

[@TheGoloro]

She only uses example to prove her point. That’s called a confirmation bias.

[@saintlugia]

Im going to say a lot of things so read to the end before commenting, please. It's true that there aren't a lot of female and lgbt spaces in gaming, splatoon is a rarity. It's also true that what she's doing is a form of gatekeeping. It's also true that the reason men typically haven't need these spaces is because most areas especially in gaming are male dominant. It's also true that nowadays men are more lonely and need to make friendships and have spaces to come together. Honestly, I think the solution is to be accepting of others and be welcoming no matter age, sex, gender, or race, because everyone should feel welcome.

[@Noob-Dj-2020]

Why is she dragging Project Sekai into it as well? Is this person ok?

[@DJOpaltavio]

Yeah, leave that beautiful game away from your Sexism !

[@foocha]

pjsk is poop stains ngl

[@otomeroid]

TLDR: Ms. Queen couldn't stay on topic which is the reason she brought it up.

[@blackcap2910]

Just a general trend ive noticed about the splatoon community. A lot of people who seem talk a lot about inclusivity tend to be some of the most biggoted people as ironic as it sounds. Like how the plaza posts talk a lot about lgbtq inclusivity and as soon as christians post stuff like jesus loves you all of a sudden their not allowed. And ive also seen a ton of people say this community should accept women but then say stuff like missandry isnt a real thing. Its inclusivity and diversity but only for the people that they approve of. Its so dumb

[@MxShadow8]

I’m a transmasc splatoon fan, and I really want more boy characters. I want good short octoling hairstyles, I want male idols. I watched that video around the time it released and I thought she was actually going to make good points, but I was very wrong.

[@ArgentuTA164-2]

I think it would be good to share the comment I left on that video when it was still new. "You may not intend to gatekeep, but that's how it's coming off. Don't get me wrong, I love the female-dominated cast, but as a masc-presenting enby, I want to be able to see myself in important characters in one of my favorite series, and I just... can't, and shouldn't want that? Because some random people on the Internet said so? I hear you, I see you, I understand you, and I feel almost punched because of it. Adding one humanoid idol isn't going to cause the issues you think it will. People will get excited because we finally have a male inkfish idol (similar to how they did with Big Man), and then it'll probably go back to normal. Plus, Pearlina will prevent the shippers from getting too out of hand with shipping him with another male character." I stand by it to this day. Having more fanbases heavy in one specific gender is just going to enlarge the already massive gender divide in gaming (and to a much lesser extent, society in general). We need to be more connected and understanding of each other and it's not going to help anything if we gatekeep games from each other.

[@missmccloud]

As a woman, I love that Splatoon is a female led series which is super rare for shooter games especially, but I wouldn't mind seeing a little more variety in its lead characters. I wouldn't say that Splatoon 4 absolutely NEEDS male idols, but I am starting to get a little bored of the idols almost always being humanoid woman for three games. I'd love to see a humanoid male idol or even non-humanoid female idols! I personally do not think that having one or two humanoid male idols would stop Splatoon from being a female led series or prevent the fandom from being enjoyed by women. If anything, I think having a humanoid male idol or two could make even more women want to join in the fandom! One thing to keep in mind that a lot of people who enjoy male characters and are making fanfics of those characters are women. Fanfic is known to be a very women-dominated hobby among writers and readers, so it makes sense for a lot of them to want to read and write about cute male characters. (Not all women are into men of course, but a lot of them are.) Now, if Splatoon were to completely shift focus from its female leads to only its male leads, that would be concerning as Splatoon was designed from the ground up to be female led, but I don't think having just one or two inkfish boys is going to hurt anyone. Then again, if Splatoon were to continue going on with having mostly humanoid female idols, that wouldn't hurt anyone either. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and in the end, it's Nintendo's choice when it comes to how the Splatoon canon is handled.

[@limezazzy2813]

I like how she used fanfics and ship fanworks of games purely dominated by a women demographic when BL/ Yaoi is more popular with, what do you know! WOMEN! And the fandoms she’s listed are popular with women.

[@jamesonsmoogle7407]

Red flag when she started talking about what Twitter thinks

[@MaddyRaddy9]

This is so shitty! One of the things that I like the least about Deep Cut is that they kinda took the cheap way out with adding a male idol to the mix. Instead of being an Inkfish like all of the past idols, they made him completely different. And then they also made him the silly and goofy one, so he's really just the stereotypical big soft guy. I really hope that we can get a male Inkfish idol in the next game, because as much as I love Big Man, they were very clearly trying not to make him feel like any of the other idols, and it makes me just a little mad. EDIT: typo

[@kamiladiaz1465]

6:33 actually, girls have done that before... and people listened to them! Remember when in the 80/90's videogames were considered an "only male" hobby? Well, things have changed! And that's because we SPOKE, we shared our love for videogames and after so long of sharing our passion, we're now part of this hobby! Hell, now there's specific genres of game made FOR girls! I mean, even in animated series mostly for girls there's a bunch of guys being fans! So I don't understand that girl, she's just being selfish and childish.

[@mushroomdude123]

I honestly hate that we aren’t allowed to have any male characters that aren’t Inklings/Octolings, unless they’re weird looking like Cuttlefish or not humanoid like Octavio. Like we can’t even get ONE.

[@fastee]

i have the solution: male idol but make it queer

[@S0BA_2007]

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[@Midnightlunar10]

Splatoon already feels so queer-coded that you didn’t need to say it. Just look at the octolings!

[@smolmuffin]

If nintendo manages to slip in a transmasc idol into Splatoon 4 I would melt in joy. Odds are low given that Japan is more conservative on queer matters but given that we already (technically) have Pearl and Marina as a canon ship (seems we have proof that it can be read romantically or even queer platonically but no beef towards those who read them as purely platonic) and the fact that Splatoon does seem to be Nintendo's "queer" franchise its not quite as impossible as some would imagine. It would mean a LOT to people. Especially now where trans folk as a whole are being abandoned and more and more attacked by those in power... if Nintendo risks it all to give that representation (even if its sorta hidden and between the lines) it would earn my complete respect.

[@fidovinnie]

She is jealous because Big Man keeps winning the Special Seasonal Splatfests

[@DJOpaltavio]

FINALLY, THIS NEEDS MORE AWARENESS ARRGHHH GOOD VIDEO FRYETHUSIAST GENDER DOESN'T MATTER! I don't care if the new idol is female or male, they'll be awesome no matter what!

[@hybriddinosaur4956]

Damn thats a massive issue … And you know what else is massive?

[@Luxius_8]

My mom!

[@indiumsandwich]

LOW TAPER FAAAAAAAAAAADE

[@Mima-sama]

It's so stupid because BL/yaoi/MtM, whtever you call tham, is a type of story made by and for woman (there is almost none men gay or not who like this type of story). But FtF is literraly made for man and a part of woman (lesbian or not) so if you don't want men in your fandom just have only yaoi in it. Also fanfic are way more popular with woman than men. I'm sure she rages every time she see a fic Male 3/8 or Cuttlefish/Octavio or whatever 4, big man and neo 3 ship are. I have a exemple of a other serie very very female centric even more than splatoon, Touhou project. And in touhou project, a male humanoid character was introduce, Rinnosuke, and he have a close relationship with Marisa (one of the two main charactere of the game). But I don't see a lot F/M in this fandom (or M/M if you count charactere with no name and... a turtle). Oh and touhou have more men than women fan and is made by one men. 5:27 It's a lie woman have way more fanart etc than men because men and woman do both fanart. At least if you count in term of charactere importance in the story or fan favorite. Woman tend to by more appealing than men to draw. But fanfic are way more popular with woman so we got more M/M also in her exemple (not in the video) she talk about game with 4 male so yeah least option mean more fanfic in the option we have. And it's stupid because if splatoon have a lot of men and women player, it's not because of the idol, no, it's because we don't have toxic vocal in the game. 7:59 a ton of filter hu Marina/pearl done and same for every other ship. I search fanfic I have like 2 or 3 (your fandom count as a filter) and I seach very specific thing because I don't like cheesy romances with no story to make them interesting like hurt/comfort fic. And if you want more fanfic in your favorite subject do it yourself. 8:56 You know, men are also objectified by women too... just look at chissy romance, visual novel, no just go in webtoon one seconde... double standard.

[@giganticmoon]

i find it crazy how people in the fandom and shit tell the outside that it’s friendly and welcoming, but when you get into it, they’re mostly just sensitive weirdos.

[@mysryuza]

People do that shit about iterally any family-friendly Fandom and adult fandoms hijacked by minors. It's so annoying! The art community is a huge offender of this

[@Nova_Yt12]

I still can't believe she brought up ships on AO3 and admitted to being a gooner

[@TheGoloro]

Damm that’s really sexist and even comes across as homophobic at some points

[@Fryethusiast]

Homophobic how? I'm curious

[@TheGoloro]

@ I think it’s probably my bad from how I interpreted the part talking about shipping and stuff

[@torinbrown7299]

btw someone else actually HAS, in fact, already covered this: vAqueii, only 4 days ago from when I'm righting this.

[@Fryethusiast]

I watched his video but forgot to mention his video

[@Izzyhardcorelover]

THANK YOU FOR CALLING THIS OUT As a female veteran splatoon player, I've often seen (especially on twitter) blatant sexism, racism, and anti-Christian rhetoric that isn't called out enough in our community. It always hurts to see misandry be brushed off or ignored.

[@birdflox1337]

"Anti-christian rhetoric" lol

[@The0fficialGigabyte]

as i always say some people REALY like putting on a good circus for us to watch and laugh at every now and then

[@antusFireNova]

She's just so out of touch Like these would be talking points people would make a decade ago while being ignorant to the gaming landscape

[@annelise1412]

there are also so many videogames where yes, the protagonist is male but female characters get great histories and depth, the first ones that come into my mind are Zelda and Ellie (in the first tlou)

[@gatekeeperofdreams]

Nintendo makes games for everyone. Plus I don't think any game is specifically made for a certain group (even if there are games where graphics or story-wise it could appeal more to one group or another). I personally believe that having male idols may actually bring more girls to Splatoon than there already are given how much girls love male groups irl. Plus I don't think it'll necessarily take away from the LGBTQ aspects of the fandom either since it can even potentially lead to more BL ships and heck if Nintendo wanted to we could get more masc-leaning NB characters. And then just because you happen to have a cast that happens to be about 50-50 masc and fem doesn't mean anyone has to be paired up especially in a boy and girl way. Platonic relationships between a girl and a boy can happen

[@DevinY1]

I've seen this discourse floating around and all I could think is WTF. I wanted boy band idols but apparently that's wrong smh.

[@enderwolf1496]

since when could the rainmaker fire tri shots!!!?

[@SALTYTOAD00]

It's a Challenge ruleset called "Modded Rainmaker Test-Fire"

[@shutupfam4237]

Im a girl but i was always annoyed by the lack of male characters in this game. I really want an equal representation on both boys and girls in the next game.

[@mera450]

8:31 never really got this sentiment because Splatoon is the only game I really play that has actual characters with personality and Big Man is the only male character I can relate to? No sorry, I don't relate to the old man thats slowly dying. Girl, people other than you play Splatoon, doesn't mean you think they should gatekeep varied experiences from everyone. Splatoon is built around the idea of diversity and creativity and you're literally doing the OPPOSITE.

[@daim64_]

This video makes a great point about sexism People always say the men supress the women, which does happen but It also happens the other way around and people tend to fail to see that And also there's the entire fucking "male personality" and "female personality" thing It's always expected that us men are "tough" and we need to "suck it up" And you know fuck gender norms I don't see gender and others should too People are people, characters are characters - A small rant / message by me, Daim, signing off ;3 Stay fresh!

[@Tako258]

I'm not against male idols, but having an all-male idol group probably won't end well. Maybe some time down the line it could be possible, but for now I think it's best if they slowly add male idols kinda like what they did with Bigman, but fewer mascot and more actual idols. (Also to be clear my personal opinion is that they should turn one of the already existing bands into the idol group for the next game and would love to see something like Hightide Era, Ink Theory or even Sashimori take the stage. I just don't think most of the splatoon fanbase would be happy with that.)

[@keeganmcfarland7507]

I saw that like a year and a couple of months ago, and that's bullshit that Mahimeghan thinks having one male idol for Splatoon 4 will force female idol to go downhill!🤦‍♂️ Good thing I made a shitload of predictions for Splatoon 4, and one of those predictions that I made for Splatoon 4 is why not have a male idol and a female idol (aka, boy and girl band), that would be awesome if Splatoon 4 has a male and female idol falling in love each other.

[@pennycat6317]

I saw this vid pop up in my feed once I just ignored it

[@legoboy7107]

She seems to have this false assumption that a mostly male game cast means mostly male players and female game cast female players. So like, people largely just play games where characters have the same sex as themselves. Well...as a guy who originally got into Splatoon solely because I thought the inkling girls were cute as heck and I only ever played the girl as a result (I was a hormonal 14 year old boy, don't blame me lol), uh...what?? Also, I'm positive almost all the male-character-centric fanfics and ships she's complaining about are written by women lol, not men, so that's ironic. The reason she keeps thinking that male characters have way more potency is because SHE'S SOLELY HANGING AROUND SITES THAT ARE DOMINATED BY WOMEN, and guess what, the majority of women are straight and therefore like fictional hot male characters more so of course that's all she's seeing LOL. Go to some more male-dominated online areas and you'll find plenty of men absolutely simping over cute anime girls instead of male characters lol.

[@mysryuza]

I bet she was Team Future because she was focusing on the future too much. 😭 She's concerned about more men coming to the fandom when most streamers and content creators in the community are male already?? I remember commenting on that vid. We dont need idol characters but its always nice because it gives the devs and artists something to project their work and music through, male or not.

[@BoogaDeFlare]

i also saw this video and commented lol hi guys

[@TheYosh-3210]

Tbh I would rather have female idols in sploon 4 rather than males, BUT I would have no problem with them having male idols

[@squee-g]

I’m sorry but aren’t they just repeating history itself by not wanting male idols in the game? Like I don’t understand how adding one male idol or only male idols is gonna affect the series. I am with female empowerment but also believe in equality for everyone

[@otomeroid]

One time on twitter I saw a bunch of people of the Splatoon community talking about how they really wanted to see male idols in the next intallment and LMAO someone had whole panic attack about it and went as far as to say that people who want to see male idols "hate women" like what???? 😀

[@Super_Café]

THANK YOU FOR MAKING A VIDEO ABOUT THIS

[@Octo_Rain]

I feel personally attacked

[@landensplatoon]

I’m still looking for their accomplishing by making that video 😂

[@jazzerjaw]

I disagree with the whole "this guy paid to get into a shareholder meeting" point because that's not a thing ANYONE should be doing to begin with, regardless of gender. It amazingly reeks of immaturity. Like bro you could've spent that money on anything else, not ranting to Nintendo about male representation LOL

[@H3LVETIAN]

That is one of the most dumbfounding takes I have ever heard in my life.

[@ArendAlphaEagle]

For the record, I ALWAYS saw Splatoon as a franchise that appealed to BOTH genders, and NOT a girls-only club like she claims (I mean, else we wouldn't have Inkling Boys to play as in the first place). In fact, I wasn't even aware that Splatoon's fandom was mostly females in the first place (and I don't even know whether or not it's even true). So I don't know if more male idols means more men will be added to the fandom... in fact, I'm pretty certain this will introduce _more women_ to the fandom, because "pretty boy" characters bring added will definitely up the "(character) x reader" types of fanfics, and will also add more yaoi fanfics too. Apparently, girls love to write yaoi fanfics and (character) x reader fanfics, especially if they involve pretty boys. Also, I think it's extremely selfish and shallow of her to not want more male idols because she doesn't wanna sift through a bunch of non-female fanfics nor apply filters, and just get her female and yuri-centric fanfics by only clicking the main tag. Reeks of privileged. I actually wouldn't mind a bit of variety. If you don't want that, filters exist for a reason, and if you don't want to use filters, well that's too bad because you'll have to use them someday anyway. (Also, women that are full fledged, fully fleshed out characters and that aren't thought of as lesser or as accessories or love interests to men exist in way more fandoms than just that of Splatoon). She asks if it's so greedy for her to want this franchise to be for women/herself? Yes, actually. Again, I saw this franchise as appealing to both genders, NOT just women; just because it has more female characters doesn't mean it's a girls-only club, and desiring a franchise to be as much of a girls-only club even when it never was, is EXTREMELY selfish and reeks of gatekeeping. Splatoon is NOT only "your" franchise, lady, you gotta learn to share.

[@samuelturner6076]

2:05 The fandom is female lead??? I only know 2/3 girls who play Splatoon (1 is a relative who I kinda got into the series) but everyone else (7 others) is male or enby. I only know of one or two female content creators, again everyone else is male. Despite Splatoon heavily targeting a female audience I wouldn’t be surprised if a majority of the playerbase is male. Even then her fear is unjustified a) nothings killing the ff ships considering OTH are the favourite of the fandom and definitely here to stay, b) the worst that would happen is that we would get bl/mm ships in the case of two male idols, because the fandom is super gay (affectionate). I agree that there’s a double standard and I agree that the takes you showed are kinda wild, however I also do get where she’s coming from (although it’s definitely misplaced) even though it’s gatekeeping.

[@DJOpaltavio]

I have a good balance of female and male friends that play the game.

[@samuelturner6076]

@ I’m not saying there isn’t a balance or that Splatoon doesn’t have a larger female proportion of players compared to other franchises. However I do feel like categorising the fandom as female led is inaccurate.

[@DJOpaltavio]

@ Yeah I know 👍🏿

[@Frye-n6k]

The issue wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't like EVERY FANDOM being male dominated

[@phillippentzeriv8512]

Splatoon 4

[@phillippentzeriv8512]

How about the squid sisters for new idols

[@JouMaxu]

This is so stupid. The fact that we even have to discuss about this is super stupid. A characters gender should not have anything to play a role in making an idol. Splatoon is a game for children and children come in girls and boys. I would maybe get it if the game is "female lead" but as I said its literally kids game so like bruh.

[@PogChamp_Max]

using fanfics as a reason doesnt even make any sense in my eyes, prohibiting anything from appearing in the game so they dont have to put in search filters and content created that only they like sounds like a joke

[@glitchingeclipse9850]

I'm copying this comment from my original one under the video by meghan, as I want more people to see this. (This disclaimer is just so I can say that I'm not referring to Fryethusiast when I say "you" in this). I'm going to go on record before saying my disagreements with your opinion, but I don't think that you are Misandrist or selfish. I don't believe you're a bad person for voicing this. I do, however, believe that this video treats male representation in and the existence of mlm as a negative to a fandom, and that if it were added to Splatoon would cause female representation and wlw to disappear almost immediately, when this just isn't the case. I do also believe that there are more reasons to why inkfish male idols could be added that are more objective to how the game has treated male characters, which I will go over first before going over the fandom reasons you mentioned. Splatoon has always been female focused since the beginning on the Wii, and this is a great thing! Most games don't usually end up being as successful, much less being able to pull this three times in almost a decade. With the focus being on female leads for this long, however, it's made the male representation much more lacking in the series. Most of the important male roles, excluding the player agents (since it's a thing you can choose), male characters have only really made up the main villains of the story (Octavio, Mr. Grizz and Tartar) and comedic characters (Cap'n Cuttlefish & Big Man) for ones even relevant to the story that barely show up much throughout for the most part (aside from OE). Even with Big Man being the first male idol, and despite how much I like him, he's still played off as a joke character for the most part (from his name being a pun on him just being a big manta ray to his involvement in groups being him mostly as a joke or as the butt of the joke in the case of Big Betrayal). Because of this, I think that this would be a good reason to have male idol representation, as I believe that it would be great to have deeper male characters with more to them for people to relate to, even if that character ends up being a different species than inkfish. It would allow for a nice break from the norm this series has done with male characters narrative wise, and it would allow them to go into different types of character depth that might've not been as well done if it was with a female character. Aside from being used for mainly comedic roles, however, male characters also tend to have the weirder body types / are generally more closer to sea animal than human, if not almost entirely just being THAT sea animal but being able to walk and talk. Most of the male shopkeepers are just sea animals. Even the more human of them are still on the weirder side, such as Spike and Murch, or are generally a more basic looking type of weird (where most of the male band characters end up tbh). In contrast, most of the female characters tend to be humanoid and generally inkfish, with barely any ever looking more like sea animals. Even with non inkfish characters, they tend to be humanoid still, such as Harmony, Annie, and Flow. The only female character that really differs from this trend are the Goldfish staff, and that's mostly really just because they're meant to be older lunch lady characters. For the most part, male characters tend to be used for the weirder designs, usually ending up on a more ugly side, while female characters are more standard and humanoid, ending up being the more appealing designs for the most part. As much as the guy who spent that much to get a sharehold to complain about male characters not having a lot, he does have a point for how little the male characters have in comparison to the female characters when it comes to their body customization. Because of this, I also think that this would be a good reason to do an inkfish idol, as it would allow the devs to break from the norm they've put for male characters and experiment more. I would definitely love to see more pretty looking male characters that have more fleshed out designs for clothing and hair compared to the standard that's been set for male non player characters. Going away from the reasonings I have that are more directed towards how Splatoon has objectively treated male characters design wise and story wise, I will now be going towards the fandom side of it, where I'm going to criticize your video more. I don't think adding a male idol group that's more gay representative with an mlm ship will overshadow the lesbian representation of wlw ships in the fandom. There's nearly nothing for mlm ships in Splatoon at all. Ignoring the player agent ships (as there's always going to be a wlw and mlm ship variant of those ships), there are only really two notable mlm ships, being Cuttlefish x Octavio (characters who borderline hate each other) and Mr. Grizz x Tartar (characters who have NEVER MET BEFORE). Meanwhile with wlw ships, there's Pearlina, Shiver x Frye, Shiver X Marie, Frye X Callie and likely other variants on that with the other female idols. It'd take an active effort from the devs of end on end male idol groups to even make a DENT against the more popular wlw ships of Splatoon, and by then people would definitely notice this happening. The popularity of the wlw ships aren't as fragile as you treat them in the video, even if you don't seem to realize that you treat them that way, and adding a male idol group with mlm representation likely wouldn't even make much of a difference to the popularity of Pearlina. The way you treat mlm ships in comparison to wlw in the video also comes off as gatekeeping and sexist as many people pointed out, but I think many people are only dropping comments and leaving them at that without explaining why it comes off as that. Most of the people I see pushing for male inkfish idols tend to be gay, transmasculine, or even other girls who like men. I myself, even if I'm bi, would absolutely like to see more representation of males for the other minority groups in the LGBTQ+ that the majority of Splatoon's fanbase aligns with. The way you word your question about selfishness in the video makes it seem like you believe that male ships existing would actively harm Splatoon and would make the series worse, as well as implying that those who want mlm ships are selfish and that you have a disdain for mlm existing for the most part. While I don't believe you're sexist at all, I also believe that you don't have to be sexist to say something that is sexist, and this is pretty sexist. At best, it's a poorly worded part of the rant that you didn't mean to make you sound that way, but at worst it's actively hostile gatekeeping to gay members of the splatoon community who would like more representation. While I don't think it's selfish of you to want wlw to be in splatoon still, does that make the inverse selfish at all? Would it be selfish for gay and transmasculine members of the community to want better representation of themselves in the game? Would it not feel horrible to be told that your hope for a potentially gay character ship from male representation would ruin the game if it was added? I want to conclude this by reiterating, again, that I don't believe you are sexist. I've been doing my best to keep level headed and explaining my position more on why I disagree with you rather than immediately calling you a misandrist. I think that inkfish male idols in the game would help break the mold of how male characters have been treated story wise and design wise by the devs, and I do think that, for the most part, you have overexaggerated the impact having more mlm ships in the game would have to the majority of wlw and lesbian representation the game has had for over a decade, and that this has made you come off as gatekeeping and sexist to most people. I think that you should apologize to people for how you came off as in this video, or at the very least, explain better your position on this in a clearer manner that doesn't come off as potentially hateful to others. I believe that all people are good deep down, and (as stupid as this may sound to some people) I don't believe that this should define you or your channel. Equality isn't reached by blaming the other side on both sides. I said this before replying to my own comment and I will say this again, while I don't know if meghan will see the comment I made, I hope more people see this returning to the video and while looking at this video and will be more calm when discussing this. I feel like most people have immediately been going to calling her sexist and gatekeeping without actually explaining her faults and why what she said was sexist.

[@jonismiff]

As dumb as I might find the premise of the original video to be, this video is far more reactionary and bad faith. In its face. I saw this video and started watching, then when you said the classic “if it was the other way around” and I immediately had to pause and watch the original. Her take (though I disagree with its conclusions and rationalizations) she at the very least spoke reasonably and tried to back up her arguments with evidence from her point of view. You just kicked and screamed about how she is sexist and misandrist without even addressing her arguments? You just jump to the conclusion “she is wrong and sexist” instead of trying to honestly understand why she is saying what she was saying and why it’s misguided. I haven’t seen any of her other content, I could be wrong, but based on that video she is not some insane bigot. She has an honest and defensible opinion that you just whined about her having that take for 13 mins. I don’t think you’re a bigot or sexist or whatever, but I think you show no real effort to honestly understand her perspective and portray it honestly. Instead you jump to being angry and reactionary.

[@Fryethusiast]

Have you even watched the full video? I addressed her points at multiple times throughout the video. Sure I may be a bit hyper and somewhat aggressive in my responses, but I don't jusy throw out baseless claims. Not wanting male idols because it would bring in more men and overshadow lesbian ships is just misandrist. I'm not saying she's a bigot but she did say some sexist things that I thought needed to be called out. Would you comment the same way about a guy not wanting female characters for the same reasons? I mentioned at the end that I don't think she's a bad person, just had a bad take. I don't think anything I said was slanderous or untrue. Sure it was reactionary but that doesn't necessarily negate what I said

[@jonismiff]

@Fryethusiast oh wow you actually responded lmfao. 1. Yea, of course I watch the video lmfao. And no, you didn’t actually criticize or break down why her reasoning doesn’t work, you just called her take sexist and insane. 2. No. Not wanting male idols is not inherently misandrist. The reasoning for wanting something matters. Her rational was that she feels that introducing male leads into a female led series generally shifts the fandom towards focusing more on the men than on the women at the lead. She is not saying “male led series should not exist or be given attention, nor that it is bad for male leads to be introduced into female led series generally. It isn’t “just misandrist or sexist” people are allowed to have preferences without these loaded terms being plopped onto them. 3. Yes, I would comment the exact same thing to a guy going “I don’t want female lead characters introduced into my male led series.” That’s just a preference that is fair to be had. Do I think there would be some pretty big differences in now you would defend that take? Yeah, because men are far more represented in videogames than women and men are generally fixated on more in fandom than women, so a lot of the arguments she made wouldn’t apply the same way to a gender swapped version of this conversation. That being said, I don’t think guys wanting a mainly guy led series to focus mostly on men is an inherently misogynistic take. 4. Yes, you did say you “didn’t think she was a bad person,” but that is the lowest bar in the world to cross after making a video calling he insane and her takes misandrist. When you do that combo it strongly implies that she is both insane and misandrist. Anyways, arguing about this in a KZbin comment section will suck ass so if you want to talk about this further and actually have a conversation it should be over voice cha or something like that. Thanks for at least reading and responding.

[@LyraKat_]

Wow, this comment is almost one to one with what I was thinking! :'D

[@Luna-lynn]

This girl basically thinks women only like women, even though the popular male ships she mentioned are literally made by females lmao. That’s just shows she either doesn’t know that yaoi attracts straight women the most or she just simply mistreats straight women just like she does with men.

[@willoesd2449]

I’m so glad she’s getting clowned

[@rog4532]

I get her point that the idols are kind of a staple but jeez

[@Star_Bunni]

Plot twist: new idols have no gender (maybe their not even inkfish either all of them are just reminiscent of big man)

[@Rin-u2n-b8b]

i don’t mind if the idol is gonna be a female male non binary or some other genders. just aslong nintendo and the fandom won’t ruin them then that would be okay.

[@MaddyRaddy9]

As much as I disagree with her for why she thinks that we should avoid male idols in the future, I don't exactly agree with you either. Fryethusiast, you don't exactly go about this the right way. It seems like one of your reasons for not liking her argument is "female empowerment", which is actually a very important thing. I'm not sure why you might think that a woman wanting her female characters to be empowered is a point against this argument, but it's not a great look.

[@Fryethusiast]

I'm not saying I'm against female empowerment. I'm saying not wanting male characters in fear that it'll diminish that empowerment is just delusional. The female characters will still be the strong characters they are even with male idols. I don't have an issue with female empowerment but it's been so diluted these days. Feminism is not what it started as anymore

[@LyraKat_]

Hard agree. I feel like this video misrepresented her points a bit-- even if her arguments were flawed; but opinions are flawed by default anyways.

[@NyahKatt]

@@Fryethusiast sorry wdym by ''feminism is not what it started as anymore'' 😭😭 thats an interesting statement to make anyways, i dont personally think an extra male idol would ruin the game, but she is right in the fact that a big part of splatoon is having female leading characters!! i genuinely cant see why anyone would call that delusional

[@Fryethusiast]

@NyahKatt I'm saying that feminism started out by wanting equality between men and women. Now it's just devolved into wanting women to be superior to men and hating men. I'm not saying that's what she's doing but having male idols isn't going to overshadow the female idols like she fears

[@Trxe.bxggyz]

i said this in a different video and i’ll say it again, i’m glad to see people talking about this cause i genuinely think this is one of the worst splatoon related videos ever made

[@kintri27]

Buddy is literally penguin0 splatoon version, I'm here for it and Also she is trying to make it as if she isn't being sexist, But the video she made is overall selfish and quite rude.

[@weebiiluu]

Splatoon is female led in it's characters and adding a male idol or male idol group is NOT going to change that what is she talking about??

[@4owZem]

lol I saw the exact same video wondering why would they even post something that sexist😭🙏

[@Luxius_8]

Blud copied zV's homework and changed it so we wouldn't notice 💀

[@Fryethusiast]

Learned from the best🙏🏽

[@SilverCastyt]

8:25 Yes Yes And Yes

[@epitomicmess]

Life is strange mentioned 👀

[@JARG-u4z]

This video HAS to be a joke right? RIGHT?!?!

[@epitomicmess]

She's tripping wtf

[@GOTTA_RUN]

This woman needs actual help

[@miakmiaksuper]

why do we have this much drama about a kids game vro

[@Moo-a-gains]

I feel like they have it backwards. You are a great example that more female characters are likely to also attract male players. The reason they seems to be okay with Big Man is that his less human-like form is not as relatable to the male players. More male idols would bring in females as much as it would bring in males. They mention that they like being able to find other females in the fandom which leads me to believe their issue is that, perhaps being attracted to those of the same gender, they imagine males will be inherently attracted to the game by the addition of male idols.

[@birdflox1337]

Nah splatoon 4 should continue having female idols. The Splatoon franchise is super unique for having almost all significant characters be female, nothing sexist about it.