Blind Shock Test Part 2: Can Dirt King Take the Lead?

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Dirt King

Dirt King

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@brenan_greene
@brenan_greene 2 ай бұрын
The effort and dedication that goes into creating something like this is incredible. It's clear that Dirt King's drive to be #1 is unmatched (clearly no other shock company has done this - why?), and it's truly inspiring to watch. Your commitment to excellence is both impressive and deeply appreciated! Keep up the amazing work!
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Well said!
@leahystate
@leahystate 2 ай бұрын
Interesting that Bilstein Scored 3.51 in part one and 3.59 in part two. I'd say that's pretty close to standardized testing. Well done.
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Thanks! It's awesome to be able to highlight the accuracy of our evaluations and ultimately come out on top. When we tune a new vehicle, we have a development team and an audit team that independently score ride quality. Between the teams their results rarely differ by more than 0.25 of a point per category, with overall scores being extremely close. This process is crucial for benchmarking other shocks and continuously improving our products.
@dannyv2335
@dannyv2335 Ай бұрын
You guys do some amazing work. Would love to do some suspension upgrades to my Frontier.
@xguntherc
@xguntherc 2 ай бұрын
We need a part 3 with DK, Bilstein, Icon, and ADS.
@tsken13
@tsken13 2 ай бұрын
Would love to see some videos like this on your 2.0 versions! I'm very tempted to pull the trigger on the 4runner I have
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
I agree, we need to make a video for the 2.0s because their performance is phenomenal. They offer amazing comfort on both streets and trails. They’re designed for moderate off-road use rather than prolonged high shaft speed conditions due to their lower oil capacity. For the price and performance of our 2.0 shocks, nothing compares!
@tsken13
@tsken13 2 ай бұрын
@dirtking any idea on the durability/life of the shocks? I know they are rebuildable, but what intervals are you seeing?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
@@tsken13 As a general rule, we recommend servicing the shocks every 30,000 miles.
@rcmcguire1981
@rcmcguire1981 Ай бұрын
Who is authorized to service these at this time?
@dirtking
@dirtking Ай бұрын
@@rcmcguire1981 current authorized companies to service our shocks are Ishock, Down South Motorsports, and Desert Ride Vehicle Dynamics.
@PortugieDan
@PortugieDan 2 ай бұрын
The close scores show an impressive standardized testing, congrats! Are there any plans to release long travel shocks for the Toyota Tacoma? Say 12" or 14" rear shocks? A niche but growing popular option for Toyota Tacoma's.
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Thanks! Yes, we plan to develop those shocks next year. The goal is to offer a complete Dirt King long travel suspension system with tuned shocks that are ready to go right out of the box.
@dandro3120
@dandro3120 2 ай бұрын
Bilstein offers great performance and durability. I would like to see how long the Dirt Kings last before needing to be rebuilt
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Can't argue with that, they make fantastic products. When it comes to Dirt King's durability, we've partnered with a manufacturer with over 20 years of experience, ensuring every component is thoroughly tested and proven. We also use a proprietary oil from Maxima that has great properties for longevity and consistent performance over the long haul.
@gsizzle45
@gsizzle45 2 ай бұрын
@@dirtking what manufacturer?🤔
@TRS717
@TRS717 2 ай бұрын
@@gsizzle45Elka.
@nostrajoshmus
@nostrajoshmus 2 ай бұрын
Was the swaybar left on or removed for testing?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
@@nostrajoshmus the sway bar was left on the vehicle.
@stevegarcia3229
@stevegarcia3229 9 күн бұрын
So moving forward any purchase of the DK 2.5 will come with the new updated tune and valve ?
@dirtking
@dirtking 7 күн бұрын
Yes that is correct.
@kamakani8084
@kamakani8084 2 ай бұрын
so does this mean all 2.5 shocks moving forward can or will be re-tuned?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
This video was filmed early in our development process, so a majority of the shocks that have left our facility already feature the updated tune shown in the video. We delayed sharing this video to prioritize meeting demand and maintaining our high-quality standards. Now that our infrastructure is in place, we’re excited to show the hard work we’ve put in.
@ronnierivas5478
@ronnierivas5478 2 ай бұрын
@@dirtkingWill there be an updated part number for shock with new tune or maybe a product date we should look out for?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
@@ronnierivas5478 No because this new tune has already been in effect.
@llamallama4927
@llamallama4927 2 ай бұрын
@@dirtkingi really appreciate your guys work ethic. Is there any way we can guarantee we don’t get an older stock from distributors?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
@@llamallama4927 Thanks for the kind words! You can always email us and we’d be happy to look into it. It’s very unlikely though, as only a small number of the original tune were shipped before we made the improvements.
@equalempyre2838
@equalempyre2838 2 ай бұрын
Solid series! Long travel comparison series next?!
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Thanks and that’s the plan! We’ve got a lot of work ahead, so it might be a little while though.
@weaponri_
@weaponri_ 2 ай бұрын
@@dirtkingall good, I know it’ll be worth the wait. 🤙🏼
@danohara2211
@danohara2211 2 ай бұрын
Was testing done on other platforms prior to release of shocks? I think you guys should have at least checked all nitrogen pressures, LS/HS settings on resi’s. My foxes out of box were all different. One had 80psi, others 200psi, clickers all different as well. Good job on V2. So free re valves for everyone😂
@danohara2211
@danohara2211 2 ай бұрын
Next up Chevy and Ford testing😊
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Yes, we followed a similar process for all our shocks. We chose not to adjust any settings because we wanted to showcase true out-of-the-box results, and we believe it’s the manufacturer’s responsibility to check everything, not the customer’s. This video was filmed early in development, and most shocks in the field already reflect our latest changes. We struggled keeping up with demand early on, so we held off on posting this video until we had the proper infrastructure in place to support our customers and consistently deliver high-quality products.
@jsclayton
@jsclayton 2 ай бұрын
Great video, awesome to see the iteration. Curious if/how the re-valve changes work their way into shipping shocks? My 2.0s are getting installed today and I'm tickled at the idea that internal improvements could potentially work their way down when it's time for a rebuild.
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
This video was filmed early in our development process and taught us a great deal about optimizing every aspect of our shocks’ performance. All shocks currently shipping feature the latest iteration of valving. If we make updates to the valving or other components in the future, you’ll absolutely have access to those updates during your next rebuild.
@jsclayton
@jsclayton 2 ай бұрын
@ Even better! Love seeing these sort of nerdy behind the scene details.
@Mommabink24
@Mommabink24 2 ай бұрын
Please do this test with ADS, RADFLO AND RIDE.
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
All great companies that we’ll keep in mind for future videos.
@liamcan3262
@liamcan3262 2 ай бұрын
Wheel every weekend can you sling them a set of billies that you have tweaked?
@Carlocio308
@Carlocio308 2 ай бұрын
Can you guys do another but with dirt king, KING, and ADS shocks
@drewisenhower3233
@drewisenhower3233 2 ай бұрын
King was compared in part 1
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Check out our Part 1 blind test video, where we compared Dirt King shocks to King, Fox, and Bilstein. I think ADS and a few other companies would make great contenders for future comparison videos!
@123devinzz1
@123devinzz1 2 ай бұрын
​@@dirtking add icons to that list aswell
@socalpaul487
@socalpaul487 Ай бұрын
Should add Dobinson MRA into the mix.
@cpftank09
@cpftank09 2 ай бұрын
What leaf springs were used for these tests? I may have missed that.
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
It has factory leaf springs for these tests.
@davidallancole8570
@davidallancole8570 Ай бұрын
Did you allow Bilstein to adjust their shock as well?
@dirtking
@dirtking Ай бұрын
This video highlights part of our development process, we did not optimize our shocks just for this test. If a customer orders Dirt King or Bilstein shocks today, this video accurately represents the out-of-the-box performance they can expect.
@aaronlawrence3127
@aaronlawrence3127 2 ай бұрын
you can hear the jounce cutoff in the 8112's, they don't sound like any other shock.
@sergiojourdan3891
@sergiojourdan3891 2 ай бұрын
What does the revalving of the Dirt King cost ?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Please send an email to sales@dirtking.com with details about what you're trying to achieve and we’ll be happy to assist you!
@cedricwilson1335
@cedricwilson1335 2 ай бұрын
Will you guys be making a long travel version for the tacoma and or the 12-14 shock for the relocation
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Yes we plan to have those available late next year🤘
@jase1911
@jase1911 Ай бұрын
I'm really curious why you guys didn't include icons in this test 1& 2 and also why you didn't do the adjusted version of the Kings and the fox shocks...?😢
@dirtking
@dirtking 29 күн бұрын
We included the shocks we sold most often before launching our own line. We didn’t adjust the King or Fox shocks because the goal was to show how they perform out of the box, just like a customer would experience. The second video only compared against the top shock from the first test to focus on improving our product. Video 2 highlights part of our development process, where we continuously refine our shocks to ensure the best performance possible. The level of performance shown is exactly what you can expect from our shocks today.
@FattBoiSteven
@FattBoiSteven 2 ай бұрын
I was very interested in buying the dirt kings for a 5th gen 4Runner. But what rear spring do you guys recommend to run with these?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
For optimal performance we recommend using the OEM rear coils because our tuning is designed around them. If you’re looking for increased ride height or additional carrying capacity, OME or Eibach coils are great options.
@jro6497
@jro6497 2 ай бұрын
So only the dirt kinds for reworked? Will this now be the out of the box setting for future Tacomas?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
This video was filmed early on, so this tune has been in effect. All Tacoma shocks that we ship today offer this same level of performance. The Bilsteins were left unaltered to ensure an unbiased, out-of-the-box comparison.
@TheArthrighteous
@TheArthrighteous 2 ай бұрын
So did you also allow Bilstein to opportunity to retune? Kind of makes me question what if this was truly blind and all retune where would they all land?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Any shock manufacturer has the potential to rank at the top, it all depends on the experience, time, and effort invested in the product. We’ve spent weeks perfecting this application to deliver this level of performance, reflecting the dedication behind our development process. What you see in this video is exactly what our customers receive. If every manufacturer commits to this level of effort, the bar will be raised and ultimately the customer wins.
@TheArthrighteous
@TheArthrighteous 2 ай бұрын
@ True. Appreciate the hardwork!
@harrisongough6663
@harrisongough6663 2 ай бұрын
Do you guys plan on making a long travel coil over? Something over the ~5” stroke oem replacement coil overs? Thanks
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Yes, and we can't wait to get that project started! These shocks will be developed specifically for our long travel kits. At the moment we do not plan to make universal standard-length shocks, there's already several manufacturers doing a great job in that space. If we're going to do something we want to be the best at it, which is why we’ve chosen this direction.
@cyrusortiz-luis291
@cyrusortiz-luis291 2 ай бұрын
This is cool but how will this translate to a different vehicle? Will it need to be tested and then revalved to get the results you achieved?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Our 2.5 DCA shocks can be installed on a Tacoma and will deliver the same level of performance as shown here, with no additional tuning required.
@GilBo10
@GilBo10 2 ай бұрын
Will you say this test is qualify for tundra shocks comparison as well ?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Our standards and development process is the same across all models, so I feel confident that our Tundra shocks would rank among the best for that vehicle as well. I’ve seen several comments about other manufacturers that would be great to feature in future videos.
@drewsapp8985
@drewsapp8985 2 ай бұрын
Was the Bilstein not revalved as well?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
No we did not modify the Bilstein shocks. The purpose of this blind test was to develop best-in-class shocks. Once we achieved that goal, the updated tune became the standard for Dirt King 2.5 shocks for the Tacoma. Since this video was filmed early in our development process most shocks that have already left our facility feature this updated tune. We delayed posting the video until we had the proper infrastructure in place to meet demand and continue providing excellent customer support.
@drewsapp8985
@drewsapp8985 2 ай бұрын
@@dirtkingunderstood. Thanks for the clarification. Awesome job!
@forestbourland6870
@forestbourland6870 2 ай бұрын
Will y’all make 12” and 14” smooth body shocks for Tacoma rear
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Yes we plan to R&D those in 2025!
@smac.
@smac. Ай бұрын
what was tire size and wheel offsets for the truck in the test? 265/75R16?
@dirtking
@dirtking Ай бұрын
285/70/17 on a 17x8.5 0 offset wheel.
@smac.
@smac. Ай бұрын
@@dirtking thank you!
@Mikephx528
@Mikephx528 2 ай бұрын
Are the 2.0 and 2.5 shocks adjustable while installed on the truck?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Yes preload is adjustable on the vehicle, although using a spring compressor is ideal. When adjusting on the vehicle ensure when the adding preload that the coil nut is spinning and not the top cap or the shock will leak. Also ensure there’s slight tension on the set screw to prevent the coil nut from loosening too much during adjustment and skipping threads.
@Mikephx528
@Mikephx528 2 ай бұрын
@ thanks so much for the reply
@justinhoman1593
@justinhoman1593 2 ай бұрын
These videos make me want to choose you guys when the time comes to lift my 4g taco!
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
We’re excited to get our 4 gen Tacoma shocks on the market. Our setup makes the truck look great and perform even better!
@justinhoman1593
@justinhoman1593 2 ай бұрын
@@dirtkingi cant wait to se em! If yall need another development/test truck give me a hollar
@walt3r88
@walt3r88 2 ай бұрын
Will this become standard valving?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Yes, this has already become our standard valving. This video was filmed early in development so these changes have been in effect for awhile.
@sce22dg
@sce22dg Ай бұрын
Do you offer this for a 2019 f150 4wd??
@dirtking
@dirtking Ай бұрын
Sorry, no we don't currently offer shocks for the F-150s
@sce22dg
@sce22dg Ай бұрын
@dirtking is it in the works? Hard to believe you would miss out marketing for the most sold truck in America
@dirtking
@dirtking Ай бұрын
@@sce22dg as of right now no, our F-150 products rank towards the bottom for our suspension popularity so we're focusing on models that are more popular for us.
@jro6497
@jro6497 2 ай бұрын
Also when is a super duty coilover coming out??????
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately no time soon. Our focus is on half ton trucks at the moment.
@juniorafrica8756
@juniorafrica8756 2 ай бұрын
Surprising results. If no changes were made to the Bilstein you’d think the results with that damper would be the same as rest 1 but it went from “this is the bench mark damper” to its “not bad” 🤔
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
If you look at the overall ratings, they’re very consistent. Bilstein scored 3.51 in blind test part one and 3.59 in part two. In part one we went in confident that we had the best shocks, only to find Bilstein set the benchmark. The same applies here, expectations change when directly compared to something better.
@juniorafrica8756
@juniorafrica8756 2 ай бұрын
@@dirtkingit is not the “score” I am referring too but more the commentary… Commentary was quite a bit different from part 1 to part 2 on the Bilstein product. Super impressed on video 1 but video 2 just seemed predictable IMO…
@thatoneguysixtynine
@thatoneguysixtynine 2 ай бұрын
Commentary is irrelevant and quite honestly doesn't mean shit considering that's not the determining factor here as they have a score that rated them better than the first video. What are you complain about? Seems like you're just reaching bud. What they say for 2 seconds is trivial, look at the numbers.
@juniorafrica8756
@juniorafrica8756 2 ай бұрын
@ commentary is a lot when your verbal review of something differs greatly on a product that received no changes! Hard to believe a review when it clearly turned biased. No change in one big changes in another and the verbal review goes from “bench mark damper” to “it’s not bad” You seem to be upset about my option yet have a strong one of your own? Don’t like what I say you know what you can do 🫡
@thatoneguysixtynine
@thatoneguysixtynine 2 ай бұрын
@@juniorafrica8756 Commentary isn't a lot in this case what are you saying? That's not the determining factor as to how the shocks are rated, do you need that spelled out? lol They could say anything about them, it does not change the NUMBERS that RATE them...what are you not understanding about that? The numbers are literally better than the previous video and you're taking 2 seconds of commentary and using that to justify whatever god knows you're trying to complain about. You make no sense in context to how these shocks are actually being rated. Do you lack common sense or do you just like to complain? Because why aren't you complaining about the numbers being higher than the previous video as that is the determining factor here? Genuinely ask yourself that why is a 2 second section of commentary your go to rather than their score increasing?...you're bothered by a 2 second statement change that has no accountable impact on scoring rather than the actual score going up for them. If it clearly "turned bias" why did their score increase? Taking those simple facts into consideration you just sound like a winy kid looking for any reason to complain on social media lol I don't have a strong opinion, I'm stating facts there's a complete difference, your ignorance is hindering you from seeing that, dude. Stating facts doesn't mean someone's upset, any grown adult knows that.
@sheephead3
@sheephead3 2 ай бұрын
Turn up the high speed compression knob on the bilstein to get rid of the unwanted “movement” off-road. Easy fix
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
The great thing about both of these shocks is their ability to be adjusted to suit your preferences. We didn’t dive into adjustments in this video because demonstrating how each adjustment improves one area while impacting another would have made the video hours long!
@123devinzz1
@123devinzz1 2 ай бұрын
​@dirtking i was kind of hoping you guys would of taken advantage of those adjustments tbh. especially with the adjustable bottom and top out control on the bilstein. ride could have been greatly improved. id gladly sit down for an hour long video getting the best performance with these coilovers without revalving
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
​@@123devinzz1 The goal of this test was to provide an unbiased, out-of-the-box comparison of each shock’s baseline performance. Making adjustments during testing could have compromised the blind aspect because evaluators might recognize the brands, potentially introducing bias. Additionally it would have been difficult to fairly represent each brand’s adjustments within the time constraints of the Part 1 and Part 2 blind comparison videos. That said, we understand the value of demonstrating how adjustments can improve performance and are considering dedicating a future video to that topic.
@123devinzz1
@123devinzz1 2 ай бұрын
@dirtking yea i understood that much to test them outa the box. but for a part 3 it would of been neat to see whats possible to achieve with their adjustments while technically still being an out of the box shock.
@ProneToRome
@ProneToRome 2 ай бұрын
@@dirtking I’m with these guys. I’ve bought 4 pairs of high end shocks, two being FOX and every single one of them was adjusted differently. I’d love to see all these shocks adjusted to their best performance and then re-valve them and compare. While you make a great product, feels a little biased when re-valving your own brand and not even touching the adjustments available. Have a knowledge shock tuner (3rd party) set them and then you drive them. Theres gotta be a fair way to squeeze all the performance out of them to compare.
@mikeleggiero2524
@mikeleggiero2524 2 ай бұрын
need some bronco stuff
@brodoze5500
@brodoze5500 2 ай бұрын
I noticed you guys aren’t offering 700 pounds springs for the front which is a huge miss. I looked into see what pricing was and no options listed for this. Also you guys should toss icon in the test since I feel it’s the most hated company yet when they are blind tested they always finish in the top three. Also accu tunes ride rs would be great since they are never included in any test I have seen yet
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Our Tacoma shocks come standard with 700lb springs, though I see your point because our website doesn’t specify that detail. While Icon and Accutune's Ride Shocks weren’t featured in our blind test videos, we’ve tested both on our course. They would exceed customer expectations by our standards but fall short of the Bilsteins. Accutune offered excellent compliance on small to medium inputs but lacked body control. Similar to King in blind test part one, the front end bottomed out at the dip, which is unusual since it’s typically the rear that struggles in that area. However, this wasn’t a direct comparison, as the test vehicle had RXT rear leafs and aftermarket rear bump stops. Icon performed very well overall but struggled with rear bottom-out control.
@brodoze5500
@brodoze5500 2 ай бұрын
@ that’s awesome you guys tested them as well. Thanks for giving an actual useful response and I hope to see more tests in the future
@JPM788212
@JPM788212 26 күн бұрын
That’s great and all but seeking out your shocks for my F-150 is nonexistent. You guys stopped making stuff for them in 2020. Even if you had 2023 stuff it would have fit my 2025 CC FX4 Powerboost. I think you guys need to work on catching up making stuff for the newer Ford trucks. Which leaves me to going with Bilstein 8112s and some Elevate upper control arms. Would have been nice to of given your shocks and struts a shot, but I need a product to use first. Great video and review for the Yota guys though.
@dirtking
@dirtking 26 күн бұрын
I completely agree. This has been a major focus internally as we set our priorities for this year. We’re dedicating a lot of resources to improving our product development process and addressing the growing pains that come with expansion. Our goal is to ensure a solid foundation and keep our growing team aligned so we can continue delivering quality performance products while covering more of the newer vehicles.
@ericcontreras4030
@ericcontreras4030 2 ай бұрын
But would dirt king revalve a customers shock?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
If it’s our shock and you’re requesting an updated tune, then absolutely. However, that’s the extent of the tuning services we offer due to the complexity of the process. Developing a tune typically takes about two weeks and involves a minimum of five team members throughout the process.
@ericcontreras4030
@ericcontreras4030 2 ай бұрын
@ awesome thanks for the reply. I can’t wait to run your guys shocks on my fourth gen Tacoma.
@generalmayhem4614
@generalmayhem4614 11 күн бұрын
Did you know when the rear didnt sit right in the dirt that you were on the Bilsteins? Shopping for your DK shocks for my F150 right now.
@dirtking
@dirtking 6 күн бұрын
They did not know until the end which shocks they were driving. As for the F150s unfortunately we have not developed shocks for that application yet.
@Marco_diaz928
@Marco_diaz928 2 ай бұрын
Yoooooo
@Rozay_300
@Rozay_300 2 ай бұрын
who makes the dirt king shocks ?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
They're designed by Dirt King in California and manufactured by Elka in Canada.
@jro6497
@jro6497 2 ай бұрын
So only the dirt kinds for reworked? Will this now be the out of the box setting for future Tacomas?
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
Yes, only the Dirt King shocks were reworked for this test as part of our ongoing development process. The updated tune shown in the video is now the standard out-of-the-box tune for all our 2.5 shocks for Tacomas. This video was filmed early in the development process, so most shocks already in the field feature this updated tune.
@jro6497
@jro6497 2 ай бұрын
@ that’s awesome. I love dirt king. My best friend has a very nice 2015 Tacoma with a DK long travel and Innov8s he bothers y’all all the time lol. Logan
@dirtking
@dirtking 2 ай бұрын
​@@jro6497 We appreciate the support! That truck is rad. Haha he's not bothering us, we're always happy to talk with customers and fellow enthusiasts.
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