Decolonizing the Muslim Mind with Professor Joseph Lumbard

[@alib7489]

Two white convert brothers, both incredibly bright and knowledgeable and most importantly sincere, are defending the Islamic civilization. This is a minor miracle in itself. Jazakallah Khair as always Paul.

[@Aladin-r8t]

Islam came to destroy tribalism and ethnocentrism. 20% of the Arab population are Christians. .

[@DestinyAwaits19]

There is no miracle. They're both washed up old grandpas. Islam is declining. It doesn't have the strength to defeat the modern world.

[@hassanmirza2392]

Good times 😊

[@End_Zionism]

I understand this comment is in good faith and good intention BUT it is not good to continuously call people converts/reverts. These two reverted so long ago they’ve been Muslim longer than many Muslims in the comments section have even been alive. Not to mention, all the sahaba were converts, but we don’t call them converts. We just call them Muslims because that’s what they are. Furthermore, white is classically defined as: Middle East, North Africa, and Europe. Also, there are European countries that have been Muslim majorities or have had significant Muslim populations and cultural influence for several centuries: Russia, Turkey, Croatia, Bulgaria, Albania, Macedonia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Bosnia, and even Spain (although Spain’s inquisition really put a damper on things there). We need to stop dividing Muslims into “born” or “revert” and we ESPECIALLY need to stop dividing Muslims based on western conceptualization of “race” because Islam forbids it. And Allah knows best. Salam.

[@Aladin-r8t]

@@End_Zionism And Europe (a Phoenician princess) means "Arab"...

[@ieltstutor9644]

I can feel a new Muslim wave of new reverts in the western world because of Paul’s incredible choice of guests.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Respectfully, I also appreciate the "incredible choice of guests" on Blogging Theology. However it's not the "choice of guests" which will necessarily influence me to accept Islam. If Islam is Truth, then God Himself is able to open up my heart to accept this truth. I respect many of the scholars, but emphasis on knowledge alone seems to neglect the significance of the psychological and emotional factors which support our faith. That's my perspective so I could be wrong. Respectfully from Florida USA

[@hishamtomsah]

​​​@@johnbrzykcy3076 Hello Indeed psychology has an important role in deciding between truth and falasy. But again truth and falasy are what we are we talking about here. Lastly in this segment we believe that guidance, despite being towards truth, is from god. If you believe in him then i believe one shud ask him sincerely. But if not, ur -first mind then heart- is up to a great challenge. And the prove ur sincerety in front of him with sincere unbiased pursuit of truth.

[@altonsafe]

I’m one! In the west coast of the states as well. Paul truly helped me become more educated on Islam and it’s rich history.

[@DestinyAwaits19]

@@altonsafe The only thing you need to know about islam is that its prophet was a warlord.

[@TheFaro2011]

I definitely feel there's a revival of scholarship. Never forget how intelligent and resourceful Palestinian are/were and how they've been targeted willfully to ensure there would be no progress in the ummah.

[@naito90]

As a Middle Eastern I have always strongly felt what you are saying. People here have internalized colonialism, western thought and traditions though, for the most part, they aren't aware of it. Thank you for shedding light on this. I really wish more Muslims would understand this.

[@Michael-Archonaeus]

The most effective way to convince someone of something is to make them think that they came up with it themselves. That is how Western propaganda mostly works, it uses brainwashing techniques to sow little seeds in people's minds, which, provided they are consistently provided with the necessary fertilizers, will grow into fully formed ideas. It is done on a massive scale through Hollywood and the music industry!

[@zahramahde2096]

(بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم) لا قلق فان الله وعدنا ، وقال في كتابه العزيز انا له لحافظون ؟ انها غيمه وطالت بعض الوقت علينا لكن وعد الله حق . الم تقرأ يوما سوره البقره بتمعن عندما يقول سبحانه وتعالى هذا الكتاب لاريب فيه هدى للعالمين ...في اول ايه من سوره البقره لابد لليل ان ينجلي ...وكل شي بحسبان . انظر الى العالم باسره كيف التقى على ماءده الانترنيت ؟ واصبح التواصل غريب عجيب .

[@abrarhameem1000]

The case is similar in South Asia also.

[@applemacud5832]

Always praying for billions of reverts to Islam all over the world. Ameen ya rabbul alameen.

[@JeanSparrow]

What an inspiring interview! Thank you, Paul, for inviting yet another amazing guest. As a white woman raised in the Christian tradition, I feel a deep sadness that Islam has not enriched my understanding of the world. Your channel really helps me to understand the narrowness and absurd racism I have lived with for too long.

[@Mika-pd9jw]

❤❤❤🤲🏻🤲🏻🤲🏻🤲🏻

[@haseebsaadat8267]

Paul - you are doing a great service. Amazing. Love your videos!

[@BloggingTheology]

Thank you very much!

[@cabdijaamac8489]

“BLOGGING THEOLOGY” IS A WONDERFUL HIGHLY ACADEMIC PLATFORM. THANKS A LOT BROTHER PAUL YOUR PROGRAM IS SO PROFOUND AND BEYOND IMAGINATION. ALLAH BLESS YOU AND YOUR GUESTS.

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ismailshafeeu4802]

Even my English is not good enough to follow this discussion but I love what I am understanding Much love from Maldives for both of you sir

[@husniolama8283]

I am really astonished at Mr. William's way of subject-selection, scholar selection, and the presentation timing. Selecting subjects that every "deep diving" researcher knows, but never thinks about tackling them. As always, thank you BT for job well done, and thank you Prof. Lumbard for great article.

[@TheFaro2011]

I am so GLAD we're discussing the validity of western education. As someone who has gone through it, and can see the plot holes.....this was amazing

[@AbdulJabbar-cw6fc]

Incredible... a really eye opening discussion and insights. Thank you to both of you.

[@victorquebec5929]

I was literally both crying and applauding Brother Joseph for his courage and determination to put the truth as it is, and actually slap on my face and the face of so-called Muslims that lack of it. The last 10 minutes were particularly insightful and eye-opening. Thank you, Brother Paul, for inviting so missed and frank-to-the-core intellectuals who insha'Allah will re-ignite our hearts and minds to embrace our religion even more! May Allah be pleased with your endeavors!

[@usamaizm]

I used to wonder 💭 why western academia hadn’t stumbled upon the truths in Islam ☪️. But now it all makes sense.

[@liftedmarco4976]

Probably because the Quran is insanely easy to disprove as factual. Muslims used to think the Sun orbited Earth and that’s in the Quran. He placed the moon and Sun in their orbits, meaning around Earth, which they taught until Copernicus.

[@muhammadamirhamzah6477]

​​@@liftedmarco4976 nowhere did it mention the sun revolving around Earth, but we do know the sun is moving around in its own orbit around the center of our galaxy

[@Ujithekuji]

​@liftedmarco4976 smat Alec, the earth 🌎 also rotates around it's own axis to give day and night. This is in addition to rotating around the sun. That is why Quran needs to be read with reflection and not as a novel to truly understand it, and each time one reads it, they realize something new that escaped them before

[@liftedmarco4976]

@@Ujithekuji that has nothing to do with the line “He has placed the Sun and the Moon in their orbits” clearly implying around the Earth but go ahead and bury your head to defend a book written to trick people

[@DevastationMtrsports]

​@@liftedmarco4976Do did Christians. In fact Christians improsoned heretics that though of heleocentrism like Copernicus

[@BashDeCash]

MaashaaAllaah! This is a fantastic discussion that every Muslim needs to see. Thanks to you both Bro Paul and Bro Joseph. We are proud of your knowledge. May Allaah increase and reward your knowledge.

[@abdurrazzak2970]

May Allah Bless and Reward Both of You in this Life and in the Hereafter.

[@ahmaduahmed8760]

This is a very good eye opener for us. Thank you both, and may Allah bless you abundantly. You see we have problems when they say you Muslims have taken faith as the basis of all knowledge, which is not really true, knowledge is the basis of our faith. You can't have true faith without true knowledge (ilmul haqq).

[@MillhouseSpeaks]

Should be a fascinating and insightful listen

[@iqbalkh313]

Mashallah wonderful...there is no doub in my mind Islam revival is coming back soon ..the chains of colonialism of Muslim mind are on the way to be shattered ...truly what Allah and his prophet has said is true.

[@DestinyAwaits19]

The Islamic revival already happened. It happened in the secular Middle East in the 1970s. The 2nd revival is taking place in the modern Western pro LGBTQ society we live in. But try as you may, you will not defeat and overcome the West. The opposite will happen. Throughout history whenever the old and the modern clashed the modern always won out.

[@salamatunnafiah9033]

Thank you very much, Paul..... I am Indonesian who has been brought up with the "Islamic traditionalist paradigm", and has had the opportunity to learn at a UK university where I learned about the source of knowledge of the Western intellectual tradition. I had that dilemma when I started doubting my own research because I was not in fact confident in the method and had lost its meaning. I've read the works of Nasr and it really inspired me to re-learn about Islam in a traditional way. this discussion really articulates my previous concern perfectly. I also feel that many Indonesian Islamic universities mostly follow Western paradigms, which makes me think that traditional schools should be saved at all costs!

[@okfine_33]

Muslims are not at all thinking out of the box ...which is the main reason we feel inferior

[@Rasyad95]

Mba, izin tanya. Boleh dikasih tau contohnya research "in a traditional way" itu seperti apa? Thanks in advance

[@salamatunnafiah9033]

@@Rasyad95 mungkin yg bagian re-learn Islam in a traditional way ya? Soalnya aku ngga nyebut research in a traditional way.... maksudnya utk belajar Islam dg cara klasik sama guru/syaikh, yg gurunya bukan cuma academically expert, tapi juga sebagai practitioner... kaya di pesantren atau majlis2 gitu, katanya di Al Azhar masih nerapin.... sebagai kebalikan dari paradigma Barat yg mempelajari Islam hanya sebagai pengetahuan budaya, gaya orientalis gitu...

[@Rasyad95]

@@salamatunnafiah9033 oh ya betul, saya salah nangkep di sana. Syukran sharingnya

[@desweetaaldhiana7729]

permisi mbak, "works of nasr" yang mbak maksud itu apa ya? buku atau jurnal? bisa tolong share judulnya? terima kasih.

[@drmansourmalik9909]

Excellent discussion about a very important subject .Thank you Paul for your great positive work. Thanks for Prof Dr Joseph to bring up this topic

[@pindigheb100]

Dr Lumbard , has raised a very serious issue , albeit true, of how western thought has penetrated the cultures of muslim nations. The term “coloniality” aptly describes the malaise afflicting muslim thought processes today.

[@jelumbard]

Thank you Paul for excellent questions and picking the salient passages from the article to discuss. Jazākallāh khayran.

[@IbnThabitVerlag]

This is one of the most mind-blowing talks I've ever seen! What brother Joseph said about putting death dates behind certain thinker's names at 9:05 was just... WOW! Really proves the point how language shapes reality subhanAllah and it reminds me so much of the book "Babel"...

[@Checkmate025]

This topic is very much needed by the ummah and the youth specially. Many thanks for you Sir and for your esteemed guest.

[@ninamimi1381]

amazing guest!!! thank you

[@mrsphinx1981]

Asalam alaykom and thank you brothers for this enlightening and hugely important conversation. This is a critical topic to understand today for modern Muslims. I would stongly recommend reading Islam and Secularism by Syed Muhammad Naquib Al-Attas, it is readily available online in pdf format if one struggles to get their hands on a hard copy. He covers the history of this topic in rich detail but in a chapter of this book he words it as "The Dewesternisation of Knowledge". Jazakom Allah khayran

[@jelumbard]

That book is cited in the paper being discussed

[@noparley9256]

Another absolute gem of a video. May Allah accept this good deed from you two and may he enter you among the righteous.

[@abdulkaderalsalhi557]

A very interesting discussion about a very important issue. The human-Mind is very susceptible for "delusion" and "colonization". Well done Dr. Lumbard, and well done BT.

[@widnmbodken]

Definitely one of the best BT videos of all time. such interesting ideas. I really liked the bart erhman example you brought and dr.lumbard's enthusiastic response to the closing question

[@aminaahmad8328]

Here’s my experience with the Bart Erman response: When I was a non-traditional student in college in the US, my English professor took issue with my definition of “jihad” while resorting to adopting the usual western approach. When I explained in-depth in writing what jihad really means, he said simply that was not his understanding of it. When I pursued him to “understand it” he retorted that Muslims want to “impose upon US in the west” their ideas - something we refuse to do or to acknowledge. End of discussion.

[@ahmedsafdar1226]

Thanks to both of you............... Very informative....... Much needed for all Muslims to understand......... Even people born in Muslim countries and living in Muslim countries don't have understanding of this as a problem...... Thanks again to Mr Professor...... keep it up Paul

[@buypalmerchandise1683]

I truely love the part where Joseph starts to discuss about the point ‘using the Quran to understand the current monetary system, economics’. One thing I believe, that the Quran explains itself. It does not need other source to understand it. Profound, I appreciate this podcast

[@RosewiththornsRWT]

Mash'Allah, a thought-provoking conversation with my fellow Muslim-American, Joseph Lumbard 👍

[@BedouinTravels]

I wish these interviews had Arabic subtitles. Wealth of information.

[@hush7514]

As a Pakistani, I love these brothers. I’ve been watching Paul host these interviews for a little while now and he is so humble and has such an angelic vibe. Very proud of our European brothers.

[@islaminhistory]

Thank you for presenting Professor Joseph Lumbard. The explanations are very enlightening. You two are amazing. May God bless you both

[@tariqyousaf9542]

Mashallah, professor Joseph is so spot on with education system in Muslim countries.

[@salmasaeed8998]

Mashallah

[@makemeup_nihel]

An excellent title choice 👌🏻May our umma wakes up & unifies again 🤲🏻

[@هلا-ز1ل]

امين ونصيحه لك ان تغيري صورتك

[@ChristineLi]

This has opened so many doors and cleared up so many perplexities (also in my own field) for me. Thank you! Please continue this conversation some time. I could listen for many more hours to these humble and cultivated gentlemen.

[@marmes868]

SubhanAllah,may Allah open our hearts to Islam.

[@budidayaberuk6144]

Indonesian here. What this discussion describes is truly felt here. Especially in educational institutions.

[@adielkamalie5252]

Salaam wa ragmatullah all Thank You gentleman.May Allah reward you eternally and give True Islam in practice to all humans who seek it sincerely.

[@sairalakho8029]

Maashallah amazing brother Paul A very enlightening discussion Since the destruction of our caring guardian and shield the khilafah we have been defenseless orphans for more than 100 years. Muslims were global leaders in the diverse fields of politics, military, economy and education. Without our guardian,we were weakened through division into more than 50 states and their rulers are loyal to the cprrupt colonialist world order and systems. It is the time fr bringing bak islam and its ruling system The second khaleefa Umar(may Allah be pleased with him) said "We were a humiliated people but Allah honored us with Islam.No matter how much we sought honor in other than islam,Allah would humiliate us" So the last of the Ummah will not be reformed except by what the first of it was reformed with inshaAllah

[@aniadz1]

Most muslims from post colonial countries have been beaten down and subjugated for many decades to bow down to Western culture and white supremacy. Thanks to you Paul and your wonderful guests For bringing up important issues like these. . Thank you for your wonderful uplifting work.

[@Jareers-ef8hp]

It’s not white supremacy bro, it’s Jewish supremacy always has been

[@arios5533]

Its such an important topic brothers thank you for this . May allah bless both of you

[@jelumbard]

May Allāh bless you as well.

[@Raeeskhan-ik1vd]

Just fabulous subject matter, highly relevant to the current ..Muslim society....

[@elshazlio]

Very enlightening discussion with a well-read guest

[@nawafdreams]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:03 *🤖 Introduction to Professor Joseph Lumbard and his work* - Professor Joseph Lumbard is introduced, highlighting his background in Islamic studies, Sufism, and Quranic studies. - His current research focuses on the development of epistemologies in Islam. 01:11 *🧠 The central argument of Lumbard's article "Islam and the Challenge of Epistemic Sovereignty"* - The article provides a profound analysis of the intellectual state of the Muslim world, which Lumbard believes has been largely taken over by epistemologies hostile to the classical Islamic tradition. - Lumbard argues that many Muslims have surrendered the grounds of intellectuality to the secular humanist and scientistic worldview, leading to an epistemic inferiority. - This epistemic inferiority prevents Muslims from defining themselves in accordance with classical Islamic principles, and instead they try to define their traditions in ways that fit the modern epistemology. 02:30 *🛡️ The concept of "epistemic inferiority" and its implications* - Lumbard explains that the central argument of his article is that many discussions among Muslims today come from a position of "epistemic inferiority," where they do not define themselves in accordance with classical Islamic principles. - Instead, there is a tendency to try to define Islamic traditions in ways that fit the modern epistemology, which comes from a position of "hermeneutical Gloom or hermeneutical inferiority." - This disservice not only to Islam but to the world, as the Prophet was sent as a mercy to all the worlds, and it is the duty of the Muslim ummah to help develop societies where Islamic principles can bring a better life for all of humanity. 04:30 *💀 The concept of "epistemicide" and its meaning* - Lumbard explains the term "epistemicide," which he borrows from Boaventura de Sousa Santos, referring to the elimination of entire ways of knowing and entire cultures of knowing. - This not only refers to the principles of knowledge, but also the manner in which that knowledge is put into action, which is being removed and redefined. - Lumbard argues that in Islam, we have a deeply-based textual tradition and an emphasis on the preservation of those traditions, which allows us to potentially recover that entire ecosystem of knowledge from the pre-modern era. 07:57 *🌍 The framing of Muslim voices within Western discourse* - Lumbard discusses how Western discourse often allows Muslim voices to articulate themselves, but it is very much framed within a humanist universe, where the Muslim view becomes an artifact in a Western museum. - This denies the Muslim's own universe of meaning, metaphysics, and ontology, effectively committing an "epistemic murder" by taking away the whole universe of meaning. - The reality is that many of the voices in the Islamic tradition, such as Al-Ghazali and Rumi, are still living and treasured in the Muslim world, rather than being relegated to the status of historical artifacts. 10:38 *🌐 The concepts of colonialism and coloniality* - Lumbard explains the difference between colonialism and coloniality, with colonialism referring to the physical control and domination of a territory, and coloniality referring to the ongoing mechanisms that keep the hierarchy of the departing colonial power in place. - Coloniality is often maintained through the control of knowledge production, where the mechanisms of knowledge production are used to define culture, labor, and the hierarchy of knowledge itself. - This is evident in the establishment of Western universities and satellite campuses in the Muslim world, which often push Western cultural agendas and deny the legitimacy of Islamic epistemologies. 16:59 *🆚 The requirement for Muslims to adhere to the Western epistemic paradigm* - Lumbard quotes his own article, stating that Muslims, especially those in the "vaunted halls of Academia," must adhere to the system that recognizes the epistemic sovereignty of the secular, Euro-American paradigm if they are to gain recognition or even be heard within it. - He provides examples of how this plays out in academia, where Muslim scholars working in fields like Quranic studies are often required to cite Western authors and downplay or even deny the relevance of the classical Islamic intellectual tradition. - This reflects the entrenched assumption of Western epistemic hegemony, where non-Western epistemologies are seen as fit only for investigation and analysis, but not as valid frameworks for understanding the world or critiquing the dominant Eurocentric epistemologies. 24:46 *💼 Debates within Islamic intellectual traditions* - Lumbard discusses the ongoing debate between Asharis and Maturidis on the role of reason and revelation. - He argues that the idea of philosophy being "killed" or "severely curtailed" by al-Ghazali is a misconception, as there were thinkers who criticized al-Ghazali for being too rationalist. - Lumbard provides examples of how various Islamic thinkers, like Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, embraced rationalism within an Islamic framework. 28:10 *🌍 The paradox of scholars condemning colonialism while being epistemologically committed to it* - Lumbard explains how some scholars in the Euro-American academy remain epistemologically committed to the structures of colonialism and imperialism that they condemn morally and politically. - This manifests in the ways they approach and frame the study of non-Western traditions, such as Islam, often from a position that denies the validity of the tradition's own self-understanding. - The establishment of the Euro-American academy was meant to define the "Rest" in terms that worked for the West and contain them, which has been more difficult with the robustness of Islamic intellectual traditions. 35:14 *🔍 A specific example of the epistemological framing of the Quran* - Lumbard discusses a recent tweet by Professor Bart Ehrman, a biblical scholar, in which he claims the Quran's authors had no independent information about Jesus and simply learned from earlier Christian sources. - Lumbard argues that Ehrman's statement denies the Quran's own ontological claims about itself as divine revelation, ignoring the Muslim understanding and the Quran's own self-description. - This reflects the default secular, historical-critical methodology that dominates the Western academy, which Lumbard sees as a form of epistemic hegemony that brushes aside the Quran's metaphysical and epistemological uniqueness. 40:01 *🧠 Challenging the secular assumptions underlying Western academic approaches* - Lumbard argues that the secular tradition will challenge the "unsubstantiated hypotheses" of those outside its frame, while not examining its own underlying assumptions and hypotheses, which are taken as postulates. - He suggests that the entire secular frame can be challenged, as the postulates it adopts are based on a post-Enlightenment philosophical worldview that needs to be fundamentally questioned. - Lumbard criticizes the "metaphysics of no metaphysics" that claims neutrality while actually operating with its own unexamined metaphysical assumptions and hierarchies of knowledge. 45:38 *🔍 Practical ways to counter epistemic colonization* - Lumbard suggests that Muslims need to stop subjugating themselves and bowing down to the idol of Western supremacy, both within Muslim-majority countries and in the West. - He criticizes the establishment of Western-style institutions of higher learning in the Muslim world, which are designed to create a ruling class that adopts Western paradigms. - Lumbard argues that Muslims have been strategically inept in how they engage with the West, often attacking each other's projects rather than supporting them in a more coordinated, strategic manner. 49:02 *💰 Funding chairs of Islamic studies at Western universities* - Lumbard criticizes the practice of wealthy Muslims funding chairs of Islamic studies at Western universities without proper conditions. - He provides an example of a university that tried to hire a professor of Quranic studies who didn't even know Arabic, until the donor intervened. 50:37 *🏫 The need for Muslim-led institutions of higher learning* - Lumbard notes the lack of a major body that funds scholarships for Muslims to pursue projects within Islamic studies, as opposed to Western-led foundations. - He argues that Muslim-majority places like Doha have the resources and expertise to establish their own institutions of higher learning to advance Islamic epistemologies. 52:11 *🔮 The potential for a positive future* - Lumbard concludes on a positive note, stating that there is nothing really stopping Muslims from making the necessary steps to decolonize the Muslim mind. - He suggests that the ingredients for success are already there, in terms of resources, expertise, and administrative experience within the Muslim world. 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[@khairulazmykamaluddin8222]

Fascinating stuff from Paul and Dr Lumbard. InsyaAllah things shall be changing for the better in this world for the Ummah. Alhamdullilah

[@settingstransfer1249]

quite eye opening really. great contribution, thank you both for this wake up call

[@SabahatQuadri]

Insightful show, and a topic that I'm really interested in right now. Thank you for the links to Mr Lumbard's article!

[@FiveRivers.]

One of the best videos on blogging theology!

[@jelumbard]

Jazaakallah kheiran

[@khalilahmadrahimi4171]

I am really happy to see such scholars researching, speaking and spreading knowledge, peace and truth. Brother Paul, brother Joseph I thank you heartily and wish you all the best.

[@shaimaadoma]

This conversation is such an eye-opener! Thank you so much for sharing these concepts with us and raising our awareness. 🙏

[@zak992]

Blown away by these two amazing western muslims, with people like this Islam is in safe hands and has an amazing future inshallah

[@mahastikia9676]

A real mind opening talk. Thank you!

[@ChildofSaid299]

Very eye-opening interview. Jazakallahu kheir. I really pray that the rabid fox in heat becomes a noble lion that can defend itself from its enemies.

[@digitalboy4415]

Great to see the new guest.

[@harbisulub]

Brother Paul May Allah give you long and good healthy life. I really enjoy your videos Thanks so much. May Allah grant you jana

[@Zeee530]

Excellent, this is now one of my favorite BT episodes, fantastic guest and analysis.

[@naturegirl4803]

Mashallah. Very insightful discussion.

[@abed7922]

Jazaakallah kheiran both of you brother Paul and Dr Lambert. One Ummah One vision.

[@jelumbard]

Allah ya'tik al-khayr

[@russB0B]

Very Very interesting watch and on a topic ive never even thought of before. Great talk.

[@ellasprihatini7148]

I checked the links and saved the papers immediately to my Paperpile collections. Thank you so much for making the video and talking about Prof Lumbard papers. Planning to read them ASAP.

[@jelumbard]

Thank you for you interest and support.

[@SyyedMuneeb]

Amazing to listen salam from Afghanistan🇦🇫

[@user-zc3tn2we1g]

15:23 "one of the chief ways coloniality survives colonialism is by controlling the mechanisms of knowledge production - then you actually control how a particular people see themselves."

[@ous_537]

This kind of discussions one of the most important things to do Thanks, really thank you Mr

[@snakejuce]

This was too short!!! Here's hoping there will be follow-ups or a part 2 at least iA. These are necessary conversations. Thank you to both. I like the example you mentioned of Ehrman. I didn't realize he was going down that route, that'll be a fun ride!

[@Vabeeotchay]

It’s a shame that there are only 1.5k likes on this video. This entire discussion is very enlightening and important to say the least, and i have the upmost respect for you two sirs. Thank you for a wonderful podcast and i look foreward to hearing more from Professor Joseph Lumbard!

[@tariq3587]

Thank you Br. Paul. Fascinating hour, every sec was worth a million Alhmadullilah.

[@babayoadam]

Thanks both of you for this wonderful development My Allah rewode

[@NaIm204]

This discussion has fed a hunger Ive had for a while. I in particular enjoyed learning about coloniality as well as the question raised by Prof. Joseph Lumbard about what the Quran say about the current world economy? Thank you for the discussion and for increasing me in knowledge. May Allah bring great benefit from this and reward you both amply. Ameen

[@nabilabou9078]

may ALLAH bless you and protect you , we can't thank you enough for sharing your interviews , may ALLAH reward you in Dounya and Akhira & Djazakom ALLAH koul kheir 🤲

[@-Imran-Ali]

Thank you both. We are in an epistemic war - we didn't seek it, nor are many of us even aware of it. Keep learning, knowledge is our artillery, check out Nelson Maldonado-Torres on Coloniality, referenced at 14:30, Allahu akbar

[@hassanmirza2392]

Very nice Paul. Prof. Joseph Lumbard is amazing 🎉

[@haythemlutfi]

This was an extremely important topic. Couldn’t we bring in more knowledgeable people together to agree on teaching and spreading awareness and developing young students to do the same?

[@johndrake1979]

At 43:30 begins the crux of a super important rebuttal of western intellectual critique. Brilliant.

[@khadaraxmed]

Fascinating and very educational indeed may Allah reward you both Brother Paul and Brother Professor Joseph for your contributions. Brother professor Joseph wonderfully answered that last question in regards of tackling the mental or the epistemic colonisation. And I would like to add that when Muslim intellectual like brother Prof Joseph have brilliant Islamic project they must go head regardless of the objections coming from those in the Muslim community who unfortunately always opposes and calls such projects as Haram or Kufr and what not. Go ahead and Inshaa Allah it will be fruitful for the ummah. Jazaakallaah to you both 🌙❤️🌙

[@kb4432]

Mashallah A great discussion. We as muslims need to lose this inferiority complex.

[@facts.explained.]

Salam/Peace to Professor Lumbard. As well as you Ustad Paul.

[@jelumbard]

Salaam to you!

[@BloggingTheology]

wa alaikum assalam

[@sadmed]

Wonderful and deep insights, as Algerian i am very sensible to colinialism issues, and through you Paul and Dr Lumbard and instead of my awareness of Colonialist questions i've been more conscious of scientific and thincking perpétuation of ideological western imperialism throught science, the most durable and low cost way, i really hope that as humanistic community will work "في سبيل الله" against this false supremacy by the political and enlighting way! Great joy and intellectual hapiness to discover you, and pure honey is your debate and ideas

[@cryptogenie01]

Absolutely amazing

[@sheikhhashimi5082]

Interesting and indispensable content. Thanks

[@hamidh9637]

Prof Lambard is amazing. Please bring him more often. I would also love to hear his thoughts about the discussion and level of discussion on this topic among the theological thinkers in Iran. The revolution does seem to be decades and decades ahead of other Muslim countries in thinking.

[@vmoses1979]

Honestly this comment is completely divorced from the (complete lack of) practice of Shia Islam in Iran. 😮

[@MuslimReverthelp]

​@vmoses1979 brother you are not clear! What are you trying to say?

[@MuslimReverthelp]

Modern iranian intellectuals are most polluted by western centered ideologies. Just look at the discussions in important universities in iran such as TEHRAN UNV, ... They are all based on secular, post modernity and western philosophy philosophy

[@fidamohammad4708]

Excellent discussion!

[@magentaorchids]

God is great Among His signs are well read scholars and reverts like these two gentlemen SubhanAllah

[@Ibnagartha]

May Allah bless you akhi. I’m going through some terrible times and dhulm and listening to this in the background at work helped me to not ruminate on my sadness.

[@bu66946]

The same applies to the misteaching of History in general and especially US history in US high schools and universities. In American high school and I am a secondary school teacher, they can’t even admit nor teach the Native indigenous genocide, slavery and the vicious legacy of white supremacy! The result is not only historical amnesia and mythology passing along as historical knowledge, but the neo-fascist trumpist reality and the interregnum and supremacy of ethno- white nationalism officially law in 24 American states where books and ideas are banned…. It’s not happening in North Korea…it’s happening now in the USA! It’s getting far worse with the genocide in occupied Palestine and the war on truth, freedom of assembly and free speech and the First Amendment. We in America are also in dire need of decolonizing all curriculums and facing history now.

[@shamim1587]

Highly recommend; Way of Muhammad

[@DestinyAwaits19]

The way of Muhammad is marrying 6 year old children and assasinating people in their beds. That is no man of God.

[@zarahm43]

Good to see Professor Lambard after so long

[@sumirahjack4917]

Masha Allah subhanallah it's another a beautiful Topic, thank you so much for sharing brother Paul ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@fatemahaque5834]

Masallah may Allah give us knowledge which we need most aamin

[@Yatagurusu]

When spain became muslim, we got a wealth of new scholars from spain. When persia was taken we got a wealth of persian scholarship. Same for india and west africa. Inshallah Paul, you are linking together western reverts who will produce scholarship that we have never considered before.

[@mosapasha2014]

As a student in a Western university i see muslims being apologetic about their religious beliefs and knowledge channels and usually avoid conversations about it, that widen this gap of muslim input, and their defensive stance makes Western philosophy " the only answer ". Jazak Allah Paul for this precious input to this gap of knowledge.❤

[@simplyhuman2213]

I love these 2

[@shamim1587]

I agree with most of your opinions ; as a young student in the 90’s teachings of Shaykh Abdul Qadir As-Sufi I became liberated from this sense of not belonging and inferiority complex living in the West . The Sufi practices were liberating

[@Sartezgamer]

All Muslims are brother and sisters,,,and this brotherhood is stronger than everything,,Love for every Muslim,,And pray for non Muslims..

[@theextraordinaryworldofzei5851]

Islam is the complete religion without a doubt alhamdolilah

[@haythemlutfi]

Wa Alaykom Alsalam both of you

[@RR-ms2mt]

Amazing 👏 true intellectual discussion, loved it...

[@farieddebruyns338]

Shukran Prof Lombard and Prof Paul. May Allah perpetuate you.

[@jelumbard]

May Allah perpetuate you as well!