Decolonizing the Muslim Mind with Professor Joseph Lumbard

Islam and the Challenge of Epistemic Sovereignty: www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/15/4/4...
Decolonizing Qurʾanic Studies: www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/13/2/176

[@alib7489]

Two white convert brothers, both incredibly bright and knowledgeable and most importantly sincere, are defending the Islamic civilization. This is a minor miracle in itself. Jazakallah Khair as always Paul.

[@user-qg5md3pe9v]

Islam came to destroy tribalism and ethnocentrism. 20% of the Arab population are Christians. .

[@segagenysis6918]

There is no miracle. They're both washed up old grandpas. Islam is declining. It doesn't have the strength to defeat the modern world.

[@hassanmirza2392]

Good times 😊

[@End_Zionism]

I understand this comment is in good faith and good intention BUT it is not good to continuously call people converts/reverts. These two reverted so long ago they’ve been Muslim longer than many Muslims in the comments section have even been alive. Not to mention, all the sahaba were converts, but we don’t call them converts. We just call them Muslims because that’s what they are. Furthermore, white is classically defined as: Middle East, North Africa, and Europe. Also, there are European countries that have been Muslim majorities or have had significant Muslim populations and cultural influence for several centuries: Russia, Turkey, Croatia, Bulgaria, Albania, Macedonia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Bosnia, and even Spain (although Spain’s inquisition really put a damper on things there). We need to stop dividing Muslims into “born” or “revert” and we ESPECIALLY need to stop dividing Muslims based on western conceptualization of “race” because Islam forbids it. And Allah knows best. Salam.

[@user-qg5md3pe9v]

@@End_Zionism And Europe (a Phoenician princess) means "Arab"...

[@ieltstutor9644]

I can feel a new Muslim wave of new reverts in the western world because of Paul’s incredible choice of guests.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Respectfully, I also appreciate the "incredible choice of guests" on Blogging Theology. However it's not the "choice of guests" which will necessarily influence me to accept Islam. If Islam is Truth, then God Himself is able to open up my heart to accept this truth. I respect many of the scholars, but emphasis on knowledge alone seems to neglect the significance of the psychological and emotional factors which support our faith. That's my perspective so I could be wrong. Respectfully from Florida USA

[@hishamtomsah]

​​​@@johnbrzykcy3076 Hello Indeed psychology has an important role in deciding between truth and falasy. But again truth and falasy are what we are we talking about here. Lastly in this segment we believe that guidance, despite being towards truth, is from god. If you believe in him then i believe one shud ask him sincerely. But if not, ur -first mind then heart- is up to a great challenge. And the prove ur sincerety in front of him with sincere unbiased pursuit of truth.

[@altonsafe]

I’m one! In the west coast of the states as well. Paul truly helped me become more educated on Islam and it’s rich history.

[@segagenysis6918]

@@altonsafe The only thing you need to know about islam is that its prophet was a warlord.

[@TheFaro2011]

I definitely feel there's a revival of scholarship. Never forget how intelligent and resourceful Palestinian are/were and how they've been targeted willfully to ensure there would be no progress in the ummah.

[@usamaizm]

I used to wonder 💭 why western academia hadn’t stumbled upon the truths in Islam ☪️. But now it all makes sense.

[@liftedmarco4976]

Probably because the Quran is insanely easy to disprove as factual. Muslims used to think the Sun orbited Earth and that’s in the Quran. He placed the moon and Sun in their orbits, meaning around Earth, which they taught until Copernicus.

[@naito90]

As a Middle Eastern I have always strongly felt what you are saying. People here have internalized colonialism, western thought and traditions though, for the most part, they aren't aware of it. Thank you for shedding light on this. I really wish more Muslims would understand this.

[@Michael-Archonaeus]

The most effective way to convince someone of something is to make them think that they came up with it themselves. That is how Western propaganda mostly works, it uses brainwashing techniques to sow little seeds in people's minds, which, provided they are consistently provided with the necessary fertilizers, will grow into fully formed ideas. It is done on a massive scale through Hollywood and the music industry!

[@zahramahde2096]

(بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم) لا قلق فان الله وعدنا ، وقال في كتابه العزيز انا له لحافظون ؟ انها غيمه وطالت بعض الوقت علينا لكن وعد الله حق . الم تقرأ يوما سوره البقره بتمعن عندما يقول سبحانه وتعالى هذا الكتاب لاريب فيه هدى للعالمين ...في اول ايه من سوره البقره لابد لليل ان ينجلي ...وكل شي بحسبان . انظر الى العالم باسره كيف التقى على ماءده الانترنيت ؟ واصبح التواصل غريب عجيب .

[@abrarhameem1000]

The case is similar in South Asia also.

[@applemacud5832]

Always praying for billions of reverts to Islam all over the world. Ameen ya rabbul alameen.

[@iqbalkh313]

Mashallah wonderful...there is no doub in my mind Islam revival is coming back soon ..the chains of colonialism of Muslim mind are on the way to be shattered ...truly what Allah and his prophet has said is true.

[@segagenysis6918]

The Islamic revival already happened. It happened in the secular Middle East in the 1970s. The 2nd revival is taking place in the modern Western pro LGBTQ society we live in. But try as you may, you will not defeat and overcome the West. The opposite will happen. Throughout history whenever the old and the modern clashed the modern always won out.

[@JeanSparrow]

What an inspiring interview! Thank you, Paul, for inviting yet another amazing guest. As a white woman raised in the Christian tradition, I feel a deep sadness that Islam has not enriched my understanding of the world. Your channel really helps me to understand the narrowness and absurd racism I have lived with for too long.

[@Mika-pd9jw]

❤❤❤🤲🏻🤲🏻🤲🏻🤲🏻

[@pindigheb100]

Dr Lumbard , has raised a very serious issue , albeit true, of how western thought has penetrated the cultures of muslim nations. The term “coloniality” aptly describes the malaise afflicting muslim thought processes today.

[@drmansourmalik9909]

Excellent discussion about a very important subject .Thank you Paul for your great positive work. Thanks for Prof Dr Joseph to bring up this topic

[@MillhouseSpeaks]

Should be a fascinating and insightful listen

[@patience600]

As-salamu alaykoum Brother Paul. The main challenge on the way to the 'decolonisation' of the Muslim mind nowadays is the deliberalisation of the Muslims who think being liberal equals being pro-LGBT, while in fact the vocabulary of even the so-called anti-liberal Muslims is full of liberal concepts. For example, the Prophet ﷺ never complained that non-Muslims are islamophobes who don't like us, while such rhetoric is accepted by the majority of contemporary Muslims. Another example is the numerous Muslims who talk about the on-going conflict in leftist anti-imperialist terms, rather than in Islamic eschatological ones. There are also Muslims who appeal to international law and international community, as if there is a source which guides Muslims to put their trust on the liberal world order. And the list goes on and on. As-salamu alaykoum.

[@segagenysis6918]

The liberal world order is here to stay. Let's get that straight. Islam is not going to replace modernity. The Modern world will crush islam into the grave. I don't agree with LGBTQ ideology either. But I like beautiful women, a cold beer and good music. You're not going to take that away from us.

[@lchig0]

Could you elaborate on viewing the current conflict in Islamic eschatological terms? As in, one may see modern day state of Israel as a sign of the end of times? If so, does this mean the only hope for the Palestinians is the arrival of the Mahdi?

[@fatinathirahshuhaimi5617]

@@lchig0 I wasn't a student of Islamic eschatological view until Oct 7 happened. My brain was wrecked until I found an explanation from Syeikh Imran Hosein. Not a lot of people could reach such spiritual height to be able to dismantle such ominous world movement. However to simply wait Mahdi arrival and not resisting is not how Muslim should act. Resistance still has to keep going.. in any way possible. Boycott, denormalization of Isnreal ties etc. To explain the whole eschatology here would only invite the misunderstanding. So I'd suggest you to go either listen to Syeikh Imran's lectures or read his main book, Jerusalem in Quran.

[@lchig0]

@@fatinathirahshuhaimi5617 Imran Hosein is known to espouse extremely controversial views. Dr Shadee El Masry did an entire podcast on how he mixes Hadiths and modern geopolitics as a problematic methodology not taken by majority of scholars. However, I don’t see anything unique in the eschatological sense about October 7, especially in comparison to the past century. I’d much rather prefer listening to Sami Hamdi’s political analysis where the events are part of a broader picture of Israel fast normalising ties with surrounding Arab countries to the detriment of the Palestinians.

[@lchig0]

@@fatinathirahshuhaimi5617 kzbin.info5XM_uOpcre0?si=1XSCkV4V39Sp0L9v

[@salamatunnafiah9033]

Thank you very much, Paul..... I am Indonesian who has been brought up with the "Islamic traditionalist paradigm", and has had the opportunity to learn at a UK university where I learned about the source of knowledge of the Western intellectual tradition. I had that dilemma when I started doubting my own research because I was not in fact confident in the method and had lost its meaning. I've read the works of Nasr and it really inspired me to re-learn about Islam in a traditional way. this discussion really articulates my previous concern perfectly. I also feel that many Indonesian Islamic universities mostly follow Western paradigms, which makes me think that traditional schools should be saved at all costs!

[@okfine_33]

Muslims are not at all thinking out of the box ...which is the main reason we feel inferior

[@tariqyousaf9542]

Mashallah, professor Joseph is so spot on with education system in Muslim countries.

[@salmasaeed8998]

Mashallah

[@buypalmerchandise1683]

I truely love the part where Joseph starts to discuss about the point ‘using the Quran to understand the current monetary system, economics’. One thing I believe, that the Quran explains itself. It does not need other source to understand it. Profound, I appreciate this podcast

[@abed7922]

Jazaakallah kheiran both of you brother Paul and Dr Lambert. One Ummah One vision.

[@jelumbard]

Allah ya'tik al-khayr

[@husniolama8283]

I am really astonished at Mr. William's way of subject-selection, scholar selection, and the presentation timing. Selecting subjects that every "deep diving" researcher knows, but never thinks about tackling them. As always, thank you BT for job well done, and thank you Prof. Lumbard for great article.

[@victorquebec5929]

I was literally both crying and applauding Brother Joseph for his courage and determination to put the truth as it is, and actually slap on my face and the face of so-called Muslims that lack of it. The last 10 minutes were particularly insightful and eye-opening. Thank you, Brother Paul, for inviting so missed and frank-to-the-core intellectuals who insha'Allah will re-ignite our hearts and minds to embrace our religion even more! May Allah be pleased with your endeavors!

[@shamim1587]

Highly recommend; Way of Muhammad

[@segagenysis6918]

The way of Muhammad is marrying 6 year old children and assasinating people in their beds. That is no man of God.

[@ismailshafeeu4802]

Even my English is not good enough to follow this discussion but I love what I am understanding Much love from Maldives for both of you sir

[@ahmaduahmed8760]

This is a very good eye opener for us. Thank you both, and may Allah bless you abundantly. You see we have problems when they say you Muslims have taken faith as the basis of all knowledge, which is not really true, knowledge is the basis of our faith. You can't have true faith without true knowledge (ilmul haqq).

[@haseebsaadat8267]

Paul - you are doing a great service. Amazing. Love your videos!

[@BloggingTheology]

Thank you very much!

[@BedouinTravels]

I wish these interviews had Arabic subtitles. Wealth of information.

[@abdulkaderalsalhi557]

A very interesting discussion about a very important issue. The human-Mind is very susceptible for "delusion" and "colonization". Well done Dr. Lumbard, and well done BT.

[@TheFaro2011]

I am so GLAD we're discussing the validity of western education. As someone who has gone through it, and can see the plot holes.....this was amazing

[@abdurrazzak2970]

May Allah Bless and Reward Both of You in this Life and in the Hereafter.

[@IbnThabitVerlag]

This is one of the most mind-blowing talks I've ever seen! What brother Joseph said about putting death dates behind certain thinker's names at 9:05 was just... WOW! Really proves the point how language shapes reality subhanAllah and it reminds me so much of the book "Babel"...

[@RosewiththornsRWT]

Mash'Allah, a thought-provoking conversation with my fellow Muslim-American, Joseph Lumbard 👍

[@makemeup_nihel]

An excellent title choice 👌🏻May our umma wakes up & unifies again 🤲🏻

[@user-kx1tf4vx1i]

امين ونصيحه لك ان تغيري صورتك

[@FiveRivers.]

One of the best videos on blogging theology!

[@jelumbard]

Jazaakallah kheiran

[@cabdijaamac8489]

“BLOGGING THEOLOGY” IS A WONDERFUL HIGHLY ACADEMIC PLATFORM. THANKS A LOT BROTHER PAUL YOUR PROGRAM IS SO PROFOUND AND BEYOND IMAGINATION. ALLAH BLESS YOU AND YOUR GUESTS.

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@hush7514]

As a Pakistani, I love these brothers. I’ve been watching Paul host these interviews for a little while now and he is so humble and has such an angelic vibe. Very proud of our European brothers.

[@AbdulJabbar-cw6fc]

Incredible... a really eye opening discussion and insights. Thank you to both of you.

[@zak992]

Blown away by these two amazing western muslims, with people like this Islam is in safe hands and has an amazing future inshallah

[@BashDeCash]

MaashaaAllaah! This is a fantastic discussion that every Muslim needs to see. Thanks to you both Bro Paul and Bro Joseph. We are proud of your knowledge. May Allaah increase and reward your knowledge.

[@Raeeskhan-ik1vd]

Just fabulous subject matter, highly relevant to the current ..Muslim society....

[@-Imran-Ali]

Thank you both. We are in an epistemic war - we didn't seek it, nor are many of us even aware of it. Keep learning, knowledge is our artillery, check out Nelson Maldonado-Torres on Coloniality, referenced at 14:30, Allahu akbar

[@simplyhuman2213]

I love these 2

[@Checkmate025]

This topic is very much needed by the ummah and the youth specially. Many thanks for you Sir and for your esteemed guest.

[@mahastikia9676]

A real mind opening talk. Thank you!

[@noparley9256]

Another absolute gem of a video. May Allah accept this good deed from you two and may he enter you among the righteous.

[@jelumbard]

Thank you Paul for excellent questions and picking the salient passages from the article to discuss. Jazākallāh khayran.

[@kb4432]

Mashallah A great discussion. We as muslims need to lose this inferiority complex.

[@khalilahmadrahimi4171]

I am really happy to see such scholars researching, speaking and spreading knowledge, peace and truth. Brother Paul, brother Joseph I thank you heartily and wish you all the best.

[@asmatahir9950]

Revert muslims are an asset.. their contribution to islam is much appreciated

[@widnmbodken]

Definitely one of the best BT videos of all time. such interesting ideas. I really liked the bart erhman example you brought and dr.lumbard's enthusiastic response to the closing question

[@farieddebruyns338]

Shukran Prof Lombard and Prof Paul. May Allah perpetuate you.

[@jelumbard]

May Allah perpetuate you as well!

[@sagalahmed8370]

Very eye-opening interview. Jazakallahu kheir. I really pray that the rabid fox in heat becomes a noble lion that can defend itself from its enemies.

[@magentaorchids]

God is great Among His signs are well read scholars and reverts like these two gentlemen SubhanAllah

[@fidamohammad4708]

Excellent discussion!

[@arios5533]

Its such an important topic brothers thank you for this . May allah bless both of you

[@jelumbard]

May Allāh bless you as well.

[@sairalakho8029]

Maashallah amazing brother Paul A very enlightening discussion Since the destruction of our caring guardian and shield the khilafah we have been defenseless orphans for more than 100 years. Muslims were global leaders in the diverse fields of politics, military, economy and education. Without our guardian,we were weakened through division into more than 50 states and their rulers are loyal to the cprrupt colonialist world order and systems. It is the time fr bringing bak islam and its ruling system The second khaleefa Umar(may Allah be pleased with him) said "We were a humiliated people but Allah honored us with Islam.No matter how much we sought honor in other than islam,Allah would humiliate us" So the last of the Ummah will not be reformed except by what the first of it was reformed with inshaAllah

[@russB0B]

Very Very interesting watch and on a topic ive never even thought of before. Great talk.

[@mrsphinx1981]

Asalam alaykom and thank you brothers for this enlightening and hugely important conversation. This is a critical topic to understand today for modern Muslims. I would stongly recommend reading Islam and Secularism by Syed Muhammad Naquib Al-Attas, it is readily available online in pdf format if one struggles to get their hands on a hard copy. He covers the history of this topic in rich detail but in a chapter of this book he words it as "The Dewesternisation of Knowledge". Jazakom Allah khayran

[@jelumbard]

That book is cited in the paper being discussed

[@hassanmirza2392]

Very nice Paul. Prof. Joseph Lumbard is amazing 🎉

[@zarahm43]

Good to see Professor Lambard after so long

[@housseinemin8941]

Thanks you BT ❤

[@islaminhistory]

Thank you for presenting Professor Joseph Lumbard. The explanations are very enlightening. You two are amazing. May God bless you both

[@facts.explained.]

Salam/Peace to Professor Lumbard. As well as you Ustad Paul.

[@jelumbard]

Salaam to you!

[@BloggingTheology]

wa alaikum assalam

[@NONNON-yp4zr]

Bless you both

[@shaimaadoma]

This conversation is such an eye-opener! Thank you so much for sharing these concepts with us and raising our awareness. 🙏

[@SabahatQuadri]

Insightful show, and a topic that I'm really interested in right now. Thank you for the links to Mr Lumbard's article!

[@Sartezgamer]

All Muslims are brother and sisters,,,and this brotherhood is stronger than everything,,Love for every Muslim,,And pray for non Muslims..

[@Days6281]

This was a particularly fascinating and interesting conversation. I really loved it. Thank you Paul. I hope you can host Prof. Lumbard again in the future.

[@adielkamalie5252]

Salaam wa ragmatullah all Thank You gentleman.May Allah reward you eternally and give True Islam in practice to all humans who seek it sincerely.

[@naturegirl4803]

Mashallah. Very insightful discussion.

[@nawafdreams]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:03 *🤖 Introduction to Professor Joseph Lumbard and his work* - Professor Joseph Lumbard is introduced, highlighting his background in Islamic studies, Sufism, and Quranic studies. - His current research focuses on the development of epistemologies in Islam. 01:11 *🧠 The central argument of Lumbard's article "Islam and the Challenge of Epistemic Sovereignty"* - The article provides a profound analysis of the intellectual state of the Muslim world, which Lumbard believes has been largely taken over by epistemologies hostile to the classical Islamic tradition. - Lumbard argues that many Muslims have surrendered the grounds of intellectuality to the secular humanist and scientistic worldview, leading to an epistemic inferiority. - This epistemic inferiority prevents Muslims from defining themselves in accordance with classical Islamic principles, and instead they try to define their traditions in ways that fit the modern epistemology. 02:30 *🛡️ The concept of "epistemic inferiority" and its implications* - Lumbard explains that the central argument of his article is that many discussions among Muslims today come from a position of "epistemic inferiority," where they do not define themselves in accordance with classical Islamic principles. - Instead, there is a tendency to try to define Islamic traditions in ways that fit the modern epistemology, which comes from a position of "hermeneutical Gloom or hermeneutical inferiority." - This disservice not only to Islam but to the world, as the Prophet was sent as a mercy to all the worlds, and it is the duty of the Muslim ummah to help develop societies where Islamic principles can bring a better life for all of humanity. 04:30 *💀 The concept of "epistemicide" and its meaning* - Lumbard explains the term "epistemicide," which he borrows from Boaventura de Sousa Santos, referring to the elimination of entire ways of knowing and entire cultures of knowing. - This not only refers to the principles of knowledge, but also the manner in which that knowledge is put into action, which is being removed and redefined. - Lumbard argues that in Islam, we have a deeply-based textual tradition and an emphasis on the preservation of those traditions, which allows us to potentially recover that entire ecosystem of knowledge from the pre-modern era. 07:57 *🌍 The framing of Muslim voices within Western discourse* - Lumbard discusses how Western discourse often allows Muslim voices to articulate themselves, but it is very much framed within a humanist universe, where the Muslim view becomes an artifact in a Western museum. - This denies the Muslim's own universe of meaning, metaphysics, and ontology, effectively committing an "epistemic murder" by taking away the whole universe of meaning. - The reality is that many of the voices in the Islamic tradition, such as Al-Ghazali and Rumi, are still living and treasured in the Muslim world, rather than being relegated to the status of historical artifacts. 10:38 *🌐 The concepts of colonialism and coloniality* - Lumbard explains the difference between colonialism and coloniality, with colonialism referring to the physical control and domination of a territory, and coloniality referring to the ongoing mechanisms that keep the hierarchy of the departing colonial power in place. - Coloniality is often maintained through the control of knowledge production, where the mechanisms of knowledge production are used to define culture, labor, and the hierarchy of knowledge itself. - This is evident in the establishment of Western universities and satellite campuses in the Muslim world, which often push Western cultural agendas and deny the legitimacy of Islamic epistemologies. 16:59 *🆚 The requirement for Muslims to adhere to the Western epistemic paradigm* - Lumbard quotes his own article, stating that Muslims, especially those in the "vaunted halls of Academia," must adhere to the system that recognizes the epistemic sovereignty of the secular, Euro-American paradigm if they are to gain recognition or even be heard within it. - He provides examples of how this plays out in academia, where Muslim scholars working in fields like Quranic studies are often required to cite Western authors and downplay or even deny the relevance of the classical Islamic intellectual tradition. - This reflects the entrenched assumption of Western epistemic hegemony, where non-Western epistemologies are seen as fit only for investigation and analysis, but not as valid frameworks for understanding the world or critiquing the dominant Eurocentric epistemologies. 24:46 *💼 Debates within Islamic intellectual traditions* - Lumbard discusses the ongoing debate between Asharis and Maturidis on the role of reason and revelation. - He argues that the idea of philosophy being "killed" or "severely curtailed" by al-Ghazali is a misconception, as there were thinkers who criticized al-Ghazali for being too rationalist. - Lumbard provides examples of how various Islamic thinkers, like Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, embraced rationalism within an Islamic framework. 28:10 *🌍 The paradox of scholars condemning colonialism while being epistemologically committed to it* - Lumbard explains how some scholars in the Euro-American academy remain epistemologically committed to the structures of colonialism and imperialism that they condemn morally and politically. - This manifests in the ways they approach and frame the study of non-Western traditions, such as Islam, often from a position that denies the validity of the tradition's own self-understanding. - The establishment of the Euro-American academy was meant to define the "Rest" in terms that worked for the West and contain them, which has been more difficult with the robustness of Islamic intellectual traditions. 35:14 *🔍 A specific example of the epistemological framing of the Quran* - Lumbard discusses a recent tweet by Professor Bart Ehrman, a biblical scholar, in which he claims the Quran's authors had no independent information about Jesus and simply learned from earlier Christian sources. - Lumbard argues that Ehrman's statement denies the Quran's own ontological claims about itself as divine revelation, ignoring the Muslim understanding and the Quran's own self-description. - This reflects the default secular, historical-critical methodology that dominates the Western academy, which Lumbard sees as a form of epistemic hegemony that brushes aside the Quran's metaphysical and epistemological uniqueness. 40:01 *🧠 Challenging the secular assumptions underlying Western academic approaches* - Lumbard argues that the secular tradition will challenge the "unsubstantiated hypotheses" of those outside its frame, while not examining its own underlying assumptions and hypotheses, which are taken as postulates. - He suggests that the entire secular frame can be challenged, as the postulates it adopts are based on a post-Enlightenment philosophical worldview that needs to be fundamentally questioned. - Lumbard criticizes the "metaphysics of no metaphysics" that claims neutrality while actually operating with its own unexamined metaphysical assumptions and hierarchies of knowledge. 45:38 *🔍 Practical ways to counter epistemic colonization* - Lumbard suggests that Muslims need to stop subjugating themselves and bowing down to the idol of Western supremacy, both within Muslim-majority countries and in the West. - He criticizes the establishment of Western-style institutions of higher learning in the Muslim world, which are designed to create a ruling class that adopts Western paradigms. - Lumbard argues that Muslims have been strategically inept in how they engage with the West, often attacking each other's projects rather than supporting them in a more coordinated, strategic manner. 49:02 *💰 Funding chairs of Islamic studies at Western universities* - Lumbard criticizes the practice of wealthy Muslims funding chairs of Islamic studies at Western universities without proper conditions. - He provides an example of a university that tried to hire a professor of Quranic studies who didn't even know Arabic, until the donor intervened. 50:37 *🏫 The need for Muslim-led institutions of higher learning* - Lumbard notes the lack of a major body that funds scholarships for Muslims to pursue projects within Islamic studies, as opposed to Western-led foundations. - He argues that Muslim-majority places like Doha have the resources and expertise to establish their own institutions of higher learning to advance Islamic epistemologies. 52:11 *🔮 The potential for a positive future* - Lumbard concludes on a positive note, stating that there is nothing really stopping Muslims from making the necessary steps to decolonize the Muslim mind. - He suggests that the ingredients for success are already there, in terms of resources, expertise, and administrative experience within the Muslim world. 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[@Zeee530]

Excellent, this is now one of my favorite BT episodes, fantastic guest and analysis.

[@nabilabou9078]

may ALLAH bless you and protect you , we can't thank you enough for sharing your interviews , may ALLAH reward you in Dounya and Akhira & Djazakom ALLAH koul kheir 🤲

[@ChristineLi]

This has opened so many doors and cleared up so many perplexities (also in my own field) for me. Thank you! Please continue this conversation some time. I could listen for many more hours to these humble and cultivated gentlemen.

[@grantspillman365]

May Allah bless you akhi. I’m going through some terrible times and dhulm and listening to this in the background at work helped me to not ruminate on my sadness.

[@noblemann4898]

The ultimate sign of being defeated by the colonial mindset? Canadian and aborigines fought for their conquerors in WW1 and WW2 and were denied citizenship in their own ancestral land.

[@hamidh9637]

Prof Lambard is amazing. Please bring him more often. I would also love to hear his thoughts about the discussion and level of discussion on this topic among the theological thinkers in Iran. The revolution does seem to be decades and decades ahead of other Muslim countries in thinking.

[@vmoses1979]

Honestly this comment is completely divorced from the (complete lack of) practice of Shia Islam in Iran. 😮

[@Fisherman447]

​@vmoses1979 brother you are not clear! What are you trying to say?

[@Fisherman447]

Modern iranian intellectuals are most polluted by western centered ideologies. Just look at the discussions in important universities in iran such as TEHRAN UNV, ... They are all based on secular, post modernity and western philosophy philosophy

[@snakejuce]

This was too short!!! Here's hoping there will be follow-ups or a part 2 at least iA. These are necessary conversations. Thank you to both. I like the example you mentioned of Ehrman. I didn't realize he was going down that route, that'll be a fun ride!

[@ous_537]

This kind of discussions one of the most important things to do Thanks, really thank you Mr

[@ahmedsafdar1226]

Thanks to both of you............... Very informative....... Much needed for all Muslims to understand......... Even people born in Muslim countries and living in Muslim countries don't have understanding of this as a problem...... Thanks again to Mr Professor...... keep it up Paul

[@sheikhhashimi5082]

Interesting and indispensable content. Thanks

[@66hats]

Mashallah some of the best and most original content, love it!

[@aniadz1]

Amazing conversation. Great respect to you both.

[@digitalboy4415]

Great to see the new guest.

[@jessicabellaanthony7440]

Nice episode, thank you ❤

[@tariq3587]

Thank you Br. Paul. Fascinating hour, every sec was worth a million Alhmadullilah.

[@Vabeeotchay]

It’s a shame that there are only 1.5k likes on this video. This entire discussion is very enlightening and important to say the least, and i have the upmost respect for you two sirs. Thank you for a wonderful podcast and i look foreward to hearing more from Professor Joseph Lumbard!

[@theextraordinaryworldofzei5851]

Islam is the complete religion without a doubt alhamdolilah

[@fatemahaque5834]

Masallah may Allah give us knowledge which we need most aamin

[@khalilahmadrahimi4171]

Thanks for preparing the program

[@basilrashad1029]

V impressive. More like these gentlemen are needed to restore the status of the glorious Islam. White Brown, Black, Yellow, East, or West should not be an issue.

[@RR-ms2mt]

Amazing 👏 true intellectual discussion, loved it...

[@ellasprihatini7148]

I checked the links and saved the papers immediately to my Paperpile collections. Thank you so much for making the video and talking about Prof Lumbard papers. Planning to read them ASAP.

[@jelumbard]

Thank you for you interest and support.

[@SyyedMuneeb]

Amazing to listen salam from Afghanistan🇦🇫

[@khadaraxmed]

Fascinating and very educational indeed may Allah reward you both Brother Paul and Brother Professor Joseph for your contributions. Brother professor Joseph wonderfully answered that last question in regards of tackling the mental or the epistemic colonisation. And I would like to add that when Muslim intellectual like brother Prof Joseph have brilliant Islamic project they must go head regardless of the objections coming from those in the Muslim community who unfortunately always opposes and calls such projects as Haram or Kufr and what not. Go ahead and Inshaa Allah it will be fruitful for the ummah. Jazaakallaah to you both 🌙❤️🌙

[@haythemlutfi]

Wa Alaykom Alsalam both of you

[@shamim1587]

I agree with most of your opinions ; as a young student in the 90’s teachings of Shaykh Abdul Qadir As-Sufi I became liberated from this sense of not belonging and inferiority complex living in the West . The Sufi practices were liberating

[@misriya4147]

Great discussion!

[@Gabrielbattou]

Great topic!

[@mosapasha2014]

As a student in a Western university i see muslims being apologetic about their religious beliefs and knowledge channels and usually avoid conversations about it, that widen this gap of muslim input, and their defensive stance makes Western philosophy " the only answer ". Jazak Allah Paul for this precious input to this gap of knowledge.❤

[@AndrewStevens-po7dp]

Why wouldn't you be apologetic about believing in obvious nonsense? Anyone with any critical thinking capacity could realise that Muhammad was just making it all up for opportunistic purposes.

[@circlePulse]

at ~26 minutes, I think the word you guys are blanking on is the "Mihnah" Also, would absolutely love to see Dr. Lumbard more on the channel!

[@alberxenos]

السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ

[@asifalikhan8677]

Mashallah.... May Allah reward you both in here and hereafter for your efforts....

[@ikman3410]

I ask the Christians (yes, all in the West), show us one educated Muslim to Christian convert. Show us just one. All you do is to take advantage of the poverty of poor people and convert them with money. Here we give you two very knowledgeable and highly educated Christian converts.

[@mirowestmaas4566]

Very great talk, thanks