Bloke's 1MADL Entry: Did He One Em Oh Eh This Day?

Mike (Bloke) 's entry to the 1 MOA All Day Long challenge, with:
- .223 BMS CAM: • BMS CAM Rifle: ATturnb...
- .223 Schmeisser SP-15: • Schmeisser SP-15 Strai...
What's the challenge all about? Well, it's a thang we're doing with @PolenarTactical and is looking at the Fuddlore of basic rifles being able to shoot 1 MOA: • Enter The 1 MOA All Da...
Even if you don't make 1 MOA, or your rifle doesn't comply, please send us your results anyway!
TL;DR Rules:
- Rifle under 10.5lb / 4.76 kg (cf. "Benchrest Sporter") EDIT: but see below...
- 50 yds / 45.7 m or more (don't care as long as it's known)
- 1 attempt of 1 group of 10 shots. No mulligans, do-overs etc.
- Film it, measure the group in MOA with an app such as Ballistic-X, send a link to the video, a screenshot of your measurement app and certain details (see the full rules)to us by 31 August 2024 by e-mail 1MADL [at] gmx.ch
- Hit the tipjar at buymeacoffee.com/blokeontherange
- Up to 3 entries with 3 different rifles
- BotR and PT will decide on prizes, so hit that tipjar hard!
UPDATE: we welcome entries from non-compliant rifles too, for interest but not prizes (probably).
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[@joaoie]

Next year should be 1MOA All Day Long: After Dark 1MADL:AD

[@petercollingwood522]

As I commented on you announcement vid. This looks interesting enough that, if I can organise it logistically, I'd like to enter my two 1943's. Kar98k and No4 Mk1. Not to have a hope of achieving 1MOA - even if they could I'm sure I cannot - but to see how badly each fails in comparrison to each other.

[@Zefferum]

With the shoulder thing that goes up! 🤣 absolutely got me.

[@petesheppard1709]

Great, common-sense challenge of basic marksmanship! I want to see Henry Chan's take; he can't throw out the tenth shot! This will be a good personal challenge, even if just for personal practice.

[@Platos_Rave]

My son and I will be submitting once school is out for the summer. We've both picked two we think would give us a chance & a bonus 3rd that's definitely not going to come close. Can't wait to see everyone's results!

[@zoiders]

The beard is hardcore C of E Vicar.

[@stickfighter1038]

This contest is a cool challenge. A light weight 300 Win Mag bolt action with factory loads and a 556 AR with handloads would be an interesting entry.

[@emoryzakin2576]

Glad you went first! Looking forward to submitting! Fantastic idea and can't wait to see the level of involvement and maybe a cool compilation video.

[@sw_tower8530]

Just saw this! I will be submitting my M28-76 (7.62x54r) and Vanguard S2 (.223) ! Here is hoping!

[@karood-dog3584]

One of the few outdoor ranges available to me requires a 100M 1MOA group to shoot on their 300M range (Keeps the yahoos away). It took me nearly 2 hours to achieve this with a rather run of the mill Remington 700 PSS in a AI chassis it isn't easy as it first appears.

[@Guysm1l3y]

My god a shoulder thing that goes up?? How many clipazines per second does that beast fire?

[@ShootAUT]

At least 30, _if_ you can lift it. After all, it's as heavy as ten boxes when you're moving.

[@elesjuan]

"30 round, magazine clip, in one half second."

[@khaaaaaaaaaannn]

So happy to see a Spaced reference! Best sitcom ever made ❤

[@jamesbromstead4949]

I need to wait for the weather to clear, but I think I might give this a go. Thanks Bloke.

[@Soupishome]

Nice! Gonna try to make time this coming week for a go.

[@somebrains5431]

No one from Remington decided to put up three alpha 1's in .223, 22-250, and .243 with the most gucci off the shelf ammo possible. Oh well, would have been a nice PR win.

[@saccaed]

Might be a bit but I will have to record my next outing with a finn mosin shooting hand loads. When I first dialed in a hand load shooting 8 sets of 10 rounds of different powder loads, one of the sets came in just under 1 moa at 100 yards. Would be interesting to see if that's still the case.

[@slovencleta]

Tried this today. CZ457 Lux with a 5-25 Vortex Venom, SK Standard Plus ammunition, cheap bipod and rear bag, at 50m. 90% was 0.8 MOA, but the full 10 round group was 1.3 and I'm not sure if it was me or the ammo. Nearly did it :D

[@BlokeontheRange]

Please submit it anyway!

[@CAPNMAC82]

I'm hoping we see entries by Matt & the Ratt (the latter being a fair decent shot)

[@life_of_riley88]

As long as they use a factory Krink.

[@mandowarrior123]

If enough people try someone'll do it with something silly.

[@ShootAUT]

I'm definitely not the only one hoping for it. 😁

[@BlokeontheRange]

Do it! :D

[@Emu0181]

Chap with a lebel or famas?

[@falseprofit9801]

@@Emu0181 do Sharps or no balls ;)

[@snugglezbrah5558]

I think for the weight you shouldn’t count the weight of bipods. You can use a bag which isn’t counted.

[@AdamPerkinsPhD]

Great challenge. I had a go at this today at 200yds Short Siberia with my elderly BSA Hunter in .222 with 50gr VMAX bullets. It's trickier than it seems: I got a ten shot group of 1.1MOA as measured by Short Siberia's tablet-based electronic scoring system. Got a photo of the tablet screen that I could enter for interest only but no video.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Please do!

[@Blood_Eagel]

I really got to try this! Actually I think the shooter is the biggest problem in my case. Tikka t3 ctr and sweet hand loads😁

[@elesjuan]

was big happy to submit my failed results for this test.. until realized not only was I an awful rifleman, but rifle has an awful cold bore flier, and that I literally wasn't even compliant despite thinking I knew the rules. Big sadge, man.

[@mandowarrior123]

I think the opposite, you know to warm your barrel with a couple shots first, and know your rifle and capabilities better. Tell me you aren't already better just from trying.

[@PolenarTactical]

@@mandowarrior123 this is the proper attitude :)

[@elesjuan]

@@mandowarrior123 Fair point, you're certainly not wrong!

[@Odinforever2000]

Awesome. Ima see what I can do with my 3 entries (1.2moa 10 shot is very nice Bloke)..I shoot on a public range that only changes targets 2 or 3 times a day..So..Ill bring my Tac cam for side by side shooting..

[@upscaleshack]

1.3. You can't round 1.291 down to 1.2.

[@Odinforever2000]

@@upscaleshack IM not rounding down..Im simply going 1 decimal place. Also didnt feel like writing 1.29 at the time.

[@upscaleshack]

@@Odinforever2000 LOL. That is literally the very definition rounding down.

[@Odinforever2000]

@@upscaleshack Whatever floats your boat.

[@nathanbailey9153]

I kind of agree about the 10 lb weight limit - In my state the weight limit for a hunting rifle is about 16 (I can't remember exactly, but that is close enough). There are several states where the limit is 14-17 lbs, and many big game hunting rifles tip the scales at around 12 lbs, with open sights (I'm thinking big doubles for dangerous game, like a .416 Rigby double). So 10 lbs is a little unrealistic, simply due to real world hunting rifles regularly employed - and I'm not talking about tricked out gimmicky rifles with weights bolted to the chassis, or barrels mounted to rails or anything like that. I'm talking about real world practical rifles.

[@BlokeontheRange]

It's 10.5lb, same as Benchrest Sporter, Ian mis-spoke 😉

[@nathanbailey9153]

@@BlokeontheRange 10, 10.5 (Mistake may have been mine), kind of irrelevant. Most of the guns that will qualify will be either "sporterized" lightweight hunting rifles, with carbon fiber stocks, or short barrel things with special aluminum chassis. Basically, what you just shot. (Edit: Oh yeah, and Benchrest Sporter class rifles - which I have none). My Savage 110 Timberline 7mm Rem Mag is 8.5 lbs out of the box, no scope, no extras, unloaded. Put on a modest scope and scope rings and voila - 11 lbs. My old Mauser 30-06 with the 26 in barrel and iron sights is almost 12 lbs. I love everything else about the challenge, but a more reasonable weight limit would be the right compromise. I'm not saying you should allow 30 lb f-class rifles. But I do think modifying the official rules to like 15 lbs would be more than acceptable, and still well in the spirit of a sensible challenge.

[@BlokeontheRange]

This is our first run, next year we'll probably throw it wide open and make categories after the fact with what's entered

[@styxrf]

Gonna have to wait until July for my entry!

[@thepenultimateninja5797]

What's with the SP15? Are you shooting in the UK here, or do you just happen to like the straight-pull?

[@BlokeontheRange]

There's something fun about having a straight-pull AR without needing a permit for it ;) And I thought I might take it to the UK to do some Civilian Service Rifle, but that was before I fell in love with the CZ600 Trail (despite it being less accurate...)

[@thepenultimateninja5797]

@@BlokeontheRange Oh, I see - so semiautomatic rifles have more stringent licensing requirement? It looks like a lot of fun, seems very smooth to operate.

[@BlokeontheRange]

@@thepenultimateninja5797 All semi-autos have a permit requirement (one of 2 types). Some manually-operated rifles are permit free.

[@ac1dP1nk]

"Dont want to risk damaging it" "Raughhh"

[@ryanniksch4174]

This is awesome so keen on getting destroyed by bloke again

[@gnfnrf]

Why is absolute group dispersion the measurement everyone uses? Particularly in the age of apps doing the math, doesn't it make more sense to use a calculation like an RMSE that is independent (or at least, mostly independent) of the number of shots in the group? Are we just stuck with absolute dispersion from the days of guys with calipers on the paper targets?

[@RicArmstrong]

Just curious, but does your family back in the UK think its strange that you're a hard-core gun enthusiast? Im an American and half of my family are from Scotland (borders area) and they don't even understand the gun culture here in the USA. They're terrified of firearms honestly.

[@triggermovies]

I can give you my perspective as someone from France (our gun laws are more permissive than the UK, but still very restrictive compared to the USA). Most family members/friends/colleagues I talk to are actually curious, and many want to try shooting a gun. Half of them are initially surprised you can own firearms, outside of a hunting shotgun (hunting is still pretty well established here). A small minority maybe got scared a little, but once I explained our laws (the biggest factor, I'd say, is the fact that carrying is illegal) I think they got reassured. None of the people I talked to would like firearms to be readily available to everyone, though.

[@DaibhidhBhoAlba]

I'm Scottish, live in Scotland and I own firearms. I've shot one of the lovely Schmeissers in this video only a couple of weeks back. Scotland actually has the highest proportion of gun owners per head of population in the UK. Firearms are demonised by the British media and ignorant politicians all of the time, but there are still plenty of firearms enthusiasts in the UK and we're all normal people. I bet your Scottish relatives don't have a clue about the wide range of firearms that can actually be owned in the UK. That said, the vast majority of people know who try target shooting or clays love it. Once you get someone behind a gun they soon realise how unscary they actually are and most will pedal back from any antigun stance they may have had. Most people who are scared of or anti gun in the UK are just indoctrinated by scaremongering in the media or by politicians, and once they actually experience it for themselves, they tend to realise it's not nearly as scary or dangerous as they thought it was. All that being said, I still wouldn't want people in the UK to routinely carry firearms in public or for self-defence. 8 don't support that at all and it would unquestionably make the UK less safe. If you have a western society where firearms aren't carried for self-defence, there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that then allowing the carrying or use of firearms for self defence will improve it.

[@RicArmstrong]

@@DaibhidhBhoAlba I appreciate your reply and I'm not looking for a debate, but I think if concealed carry came to the UK it would seriously lower crime. Think about how vigilant and safe UK firearms owners are with guns inside the home, they would be the same outside the home too. Here in the US, the states with concealed carry are dramatically lower in crime than the states without it. Those are science based statistics going back 100 years. The reason is, criminals in public know that a person or someone nearby can properly defend themselves immediately. I think the UK should at the very least allow people to have pepper spray or carry tasers. The last time I went to a few large cities there it looked like the Walking Dead TV show.

[@DaibhidhBhoAlba]

@@RicArmstrong Not a chance. There's not a single shred of evidence to support that claim. Crime is already low in the UK. Violent crime in the UK is substantially lower than the USA. Indeed, violent crime and crime involving firearms is lower all over western Europe than it is in the USA. Even knife crime is lower in the UK than it is in the USA. The vast (and I mean 95% plus) of people in the UK will never be victim to violent crime or a crime where carrying a firearm would have resulted in a far better outcome. I'm not anti-gun at all, as I say, I've owned firearms for years and shoot them every week, but the UK, like most of Europe, simply would not benefit from the carrying of firearms for self-defence and I think that is actually the biggest cultural gulf between the USA and the rest of the West; it's not actually owning firearms, it's what they're used for. I'm more than happy living in a country where 99% of criminals don't carry guns (and when they do, they overwhelmingly use them against other criminals, not the general public) and people don't carry them for protection, and I'm also happy with the knowledge that the people next to me at the shooting range have been thoroughly vetted and don't pose a risk to me or anyone else. I fully accept that the USA and the rest of the developed world are light years apart when it comes to firearms law and their place in society, and I'd never lecture Americans on how they should manage their own laws, but as much as I fully understand most Brits just don't understand the position of firearms in the history and culture of the USA, conversly most American gun owners simply do not understand how little relevance firearms have to the daily lives of most people in the UK and how they simply are not needed or wanted as self-defence tools by the vast majority here (and never will be, as things stand). I wouldn't be bothered of all police in the UK were armed (although many do also oppose that), but I would be strongly opposed to ordinary people carrying them for self-defence as there's just no need and it would unquestionably make things worse, not better. Same goes for tasers. I used to be less certain about pepper spray, however I suspect if it were legalised it would end up being used by criminals at least as much as it was used by anyone else. Just like people carrying knifes 'for protection' have a high chance of it ending up harming themselves, I suspect pepper spray would become very popular with thieves on the street or those wishing to incapacitate others for nefarious reasons. However, as the basic principle across almost all of the developed world that's not the USA is that you cannot carry anything for the express purpose of using it as a weapon, legslising pepper spray would be problematic as there would be no reason other than that to carry it in the UK (it's different in other parts of Europe where there are still bears and wolves, and people can own pepper spray as a defence against those animals). Edit: what I would say, however, is that anyone who claims banning guns will stop or reduce crime is living in cloud cuckoo land. Anyone in the USA who thinks banning AR15s will stop mass shootings doesn't know the first thing about them or firearms more generally (people could often achieve the same or worse with an old semi-auto hunting rifle or even a bog standard shotgun). Similarly, in the UK, an awful lot of ignorant people claim we have low gun crime because 'guns are banned', but they're not. People will claim the handgun ban in 1997 reduced gun crime, but it clearly didn't and for 7 years after the ban handgun crime went up, not down, and handguns are still used more in crime than any other type of gun in the UK. Bans just don't work. Criminals ignore them and they just punish law abiding people (and in the case of the British handgun ban, it destroyed hundreds of businesses, killed off long standing Olympic sports, it lost thousands of jobs, resulted in millions of annual tax revenue disappearing, it cost hundreds of millions of public money to introduce and crime rates went up not down). What does work is licensing, which I support strongly, safe storage mandated by law (which also reduces the change of kids getting guns to almost nil) and guns not being allowed for self-defence. Those three things are what I think make the biggest difference in the UK and one of them is why I oppose the use of firearms for self-defence.

[@RicArmstrong]

@@DaibhidhBhoAlba Well there is evidence to support the claim that concealed carry states overwhelming have less crime than non carry states. The FBI crime statistics have tracked that since the 1930's. I know that it might not translate to British crime, but I'm talking about here in the US. The town I live in has an 89% gun ownership and a 67% of our town have carry permits. The crime is so low that we only have 3 full time police officers. There's people here who still don't lock their doors at night. Again, I'm not advocating the UK adopt that, but I'm speaking from the standpoint of living in dangerous parts of the US and safe parts of America. I'll take living in an area where law abiding and licensed people are carry guns any day over the states that do not allow it.

[@ing2373]

lol almost every english person i've met does a pretty good american accent. Yours isn't bad. My wife is from richmond and she can't do an american accent to save her life.

[@M.M.83-U]

I have to see how much my rifle weight with the short barrel...

[@Voelund]

Into the shade... shady business this?

[@owensmith7530]

What happened to trying Frankenrifle?

[@BlokeontheRange]

Still haven't fixed the butt after last year 🙈 and didn't have time to load ammo

[@eddx5758]

Yo bloke what’s your thoughts on this here in Australia they are now pushing a ban on bolt action rifles. We’re not even farmers can use them. And by the looks of it they’re going through with it 😢

[@BlokeontheRange]

I have checked with my Aussie contacts and apparently bolt action rifles are not currently in danger. But if they were, that would suck, so my opinion on such a situation would be entirely predictable.

[@eddx5758]

@@BlokeontheRange yeah, they’re trying to do that in W.A

[@kevinmussack2782]

You might want to consider decaf.

[@falseprofit9801]

bruh

[@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu]

I can do about 3MOA with a .303 and did that on my last shoot with about 15 rounds at roughly 100m

[@FG42]

I think you may need to do a video on how hard this is to do. As an example if you have a proven barrel that is capable of 1 Moa from a rail gun, then just adding bulk NATO ammo you are never going to get 1 moa because the ammo qualification is over 1 moa. To me this is just a task where hopes and physics will not regularly meet.

[@ShootAUT]

That's exactly the point of the challenge - to show that it's not easily achieved, especially not with just any cheap rifle from the shelf and questionable ammo. It's also a chance for certain people to "put their shots where their mouth is". (No, KZbin, _not_ literally. It's a figure of speech.)

[@zoiders]

Depends on the rifle. This test reminds me very strongly of the switch from the L42A1 rifle to the L96 PM. One was very strongly a breathed upon service rifle, one is purpose made. Even with ball out of a bandolier the second one is still going to out perform most service rifles and hunting rifles. It will out perform you or I as well.

[@FG42]

@@zoiders I think I will call you out as incorrect on that ball out of the bandolier statement. The NATO accuracy requirement for ball is a 200mm vertical dispersion and a 200mm horizontal dispersion out of a precision barrel at 550m. That is less than MOA. Every once in awhile with statistical probability with a barrel as mounted in AEP-97 volume 18, a MOA or sun MOA can happen. It is just not likely.

[@FG42]

I should have been more clear when I said less than MOA. I mean that 7.9 inches is more than 5.5.

[@zoiders]

​@@FG42Fella you just claimed that "bulk" NATO ammo won't achieve MOA. Don't reverse your self and try to blame me because you had a quick Google.

[@life_of_riley88]

Would an air rifle count?

[@ShootAUT]

The challenge itself is for centrefire rifles. (Rules are in the description.) But I'm sure you're welcome to submit your entry anyway. For science!

[@life_of_riley88]

@@ShootAUT Ahh I'll have to take a look at the rules. Though some might consider my air rifles as "cheating". . .they do shoot bullets exceptionally well at 50m, just a bit slower. 1050~ fps.

[@BlokeontheRange]

We welcome non compliant entries For Science 🧪

[@PolenarTactical]

would be interesting to see :)

[@chemistrykrang8065]

I was wondering the same thing... but whilst I have regularly shot my uk-compliant air rifle at 50 m it would only be worth trying for 1 MOA indoors. 177 pellets do feel the wind somewhat at air rifle velocities.

[@AKGuru4774]

Aye, i got a pair of rifles I could enter - if it complies to the rules - Sako TRG-42 .338 Lapua, factory muzzle break and bipod, Kahles 624I, Spuhr mount 44moa mount. I could keep that at 1000m. Barnes 280gr LRX 2nd be a Zev Tech LFAR .308 with Kahles 624I, ADM mount, suppressed, 175gr Lapua Scenar L, that im comfy with to 500m to keep inside the 1moa 10shot request.

[@funkla65]

It's not a valid test unless an AK can pass it.

[@wildcardbitchesyeehaw8320]

I'm sure some Finn is going to do it with a Sako M92

[@Nickrioblanco1]

Bet you some people fake their results.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Oh probably. That would be a complete dick move though

[@Sman7290]

Where's your rear bag? Shooting from the shoulder doesn't mean full free hand.

[@ShootAUT]

Which part of "rifle needs to touch the shoulder" is it that you didn't understand?

[@BlokeontheRange]

Oh, I'm sorry, I must have missed the compulsion to use a rear bag in the rule I wrote that says "Any position, provided that the rifle is fired with the butt in contact with the shoulder (no “lead sled” or other mechanical contrivances)." Silly me ;)

[@stuntmanmike37]

This is an awesome challenge but the ballistic computer nonsense is stupid as shit. It can easily be manipulated if you input inaccurate/false data. As a 35 year old boomer who hates modern technology I'd rather just cut my group out and mail it to you and you can measure it however the hell you like.

[@baobo67]

All boring and pointless while one is not using a business like calibre. Suppose it is important to get lots of those pellets on target if that is all you have.

[@tommihommi1]

70s called and want their FUDDlore back

[@KarltheKrazyone]

If you can bring data on what anything in the .30 range does as far as recoil based deviation then I'm sure people will be interested. Henry (9HR) has demoed that velocity matters out at extreme ranges, but it also seems to only matter in thresholds, as in, you need to make pretty wide jumps in energy before it makes a difference on it's own. But also, add some data, put some 7.62 or .338 on video, show why it matters, but also, answer the question asked. If the question is 1moa without wind being a factor (short ranges) then don't go talking 1000m+, because that question will be asked later, remember, good science is as close to one variable at a time as possible.

[@user-ff3fn1re1h]

If shooting ANYTHING is ever boring, you're doing it wrong....