Bloodlines 2 Lore, The Toreador! Artists and Poets in the World of Darkness,

[@sonofangron2969]

This is giving me flashbacks of the Emperor's Children...

[@shmee123ful]

Son of Angron hopefully these guys don't end up the same way

[@Brutalyte616]

They aren't quite that depraved. The Toreador are just extremely emotional and easily distracted by things they find beautiful.

[@richardvaldes3959]

Slanessh approves

[@nalrashido]

@@Brutalyte616 no but their Antitribu versions are.

[@Brutalyte616]

@@danieldomeisen2632 The Toreador can find joy in the suffering of others, be it emotionally or physically, but it's a fixation on a specific form of 'art', not an-encompassong need to murder-fuck everything around them, using every fluid and secretion of the human body as paint, all the while getting high on narcotics. While that level of degeneracy may exist of an individual level, only the most depraved and demented Toreador would indulge themselves to that extent, and the rest of the Clan, antitribu or not, would harshly reprimand the Toreador in question.

[@lostapwbm2790]

Toreador: Pretty Ugly Little Liars for vampires. Toreador Antitribu: Slaanesh-sama! uwu

[@Nyrufa]

Praise Slaanesh!

[@williamjeffery9653]

Arch says he likes Venture and Toreador the best. Arch says he'll put it up to a community vote what vampire clan he will play. Everybody spams Nosferatu

[@stevenendersby8442]

Or Malk ... A Mad Malk run would be fun.

[@rateater1857]

the "freeze, there's a pretty painting!" happens only as a penalty if you roll a critical failure/botch on something. It's not like you just walk into Louvre and go catatonic ;P and Toreadors are great to play, and play with; they can be subtly horryfying (or openly horryfying, if they're antitribu) in many ways that you don't really realise until you get a good Toreador player at the table. A nasty, mean nosferatu NPC suddenly turning into a helpless love-struck puppy under the influence of toreador's disciplines, a crowd being whipped into controlled frenzy or forced to feel one emotion all together (great for starting riots and orgies both), or two toreadors forcing one another to fall into false, but intense "i'd both kill and die for you" type of love as a power play the same way two ventrues might try to dominate one another, is actually really unnerving to behold.

[@HalfTangible]

Jhin

[@cnlbenmc]

I suppose that when you can live forever, you have plenty of time for cultural pursuits.

[@vampuricknight1]

It serves multiple purposes but perhaps the best of which is that humans are naturally attracted to beauty, as such if you are a vampire who strives to make the area you live and hunt in beautiful more people will be likely to settle down there. Thus there is always an abundance of prey for the vampire.

[@Nyrufa]

And plenty of time to burn out...

[@aidanrosier47]

After all, it is only with an extended lifespan that one can truly come to understand the cream of art and poetry, and the choicest vintage wines are nothing compared to the nectar that is the blood of a young unblemished victim.

[@jakefrost7404]

Fulgrim: *_"I...I...I think that I can get WAY into this..."_*

[@TheCorrodedMan]

Jake Frost _waaaaaaay_ into it😏

[@winfehler]

If the Toreador embrace ALL forms of art in one way or another, wouldn’t that imply that there are a bunch of immortal and fiercely passionate vampire gamers out there ? “Pulling an all-nighter” just developed a whole new meaning ...

[@nalrashido]

True but at the same time they lost that feeling of playing a game.

[@kana22693]

@@nalrashido Not with blush of life, that ability can allow their bodies to function like normal humans in exchange for some "mana" although only for a short while.

[@redskinner8565]

😂😂

[@vadandrumist1670]

I always suspected that everyone at tournaments were using celerity.

[@aidanrosier47]

The Toreador wouldn't be the "gamer" clan though.

[@motivatedsonofsparda3646]

What are the chances that there is a Toredor vampire that just watches anime? After this video, I just can't help but picture a bunch of Toredor vampires arguing about who is the best waifu of an anime.

[@dredlord47]

They argue about if Rei or Asuka is best girl. Normal humans have been doing it for 20 years now. Imagine how long the Toreador will.

[@lorgarbeareroftheword5836]

There is literally an anime about that, called "Blood Lad" The Toreador weeb probably watches it.

[@IRMentat]

@@lorgarbeareroftheword5836 the Toreador weeb probably funded it.

[@VarangianGuard13]

@@IRMentat The Toreador weeb not only funded it, they probably run the studio.. to maintain their artistic vision.

[@Ragmon1]

I think that the Nosferatu are the most human of the seven clans. But that is just 'cause the rest are much bigger monsters. They even hold large meetings where they sit down and share stories/secrets, and they invite as many Nosferatu as possible, even antitribu.

[@egglordthenosferatu3479]

Well, we gotta share our sightings of the niktuku. Scariest bogeyman, my dood. But yeah. The Nos are definitely the closest to humanity, largely because they're social as a necessity due to their peculiar circumstances.

[@lorgarbeareroftheword5836]

Giovanni are the most human, they still live with their relatives and care for their family members and mortal children.

[@egglordthenosferatu3479]

​@@lorgarbeareroftheword5836 ....ummmmm... The family that plays together.... something something necrophilic incest and cannibalism.

[@nikolajsteffensen6578]

oh god imagine a toreador seeing the most beautiful sunrise to the point they sort of forget "oh yeah. the sun hurts me. real bad"

[@julianbraunbeck7632]

3:04 sounds like a slaaneshi cult or like dark eldar

[@StarSage66]

Anyone that thinks the Toreador are pansies has never watched Hellraiser

[@Mr9TalesFox]

Make Toreador. Call him Dio. Every time you activate Acceleration scream za warudo. Perfect.

[@shawnm1902]

Gonna need potentcy for dropping a steam roller on someone.

[@GorNaKat]

In VtMB they have the acceleration ability (forgot the name of it) so it REALLY does fit. I am now ashamed that I didn't ever thought about it. Well, guess gonna reinstall it now and complete a couple times again)

[@sandrothenecromancer6810]

Dio would eat up all the vampires, time stop, complete biomancy, can easily lift up a road roller, incredible healing abilities and isn't really dead like the vampires so he can have children (the mask only awakens the peak evolution of a creature). Now imagine the pillar men against in WoD...

[@williamjeffery9653]

A simplistic comparison: Pillar men would probably roughly be comparable to Antideluvians Kars final form would be comparable to Cain

[@KaguroDraven]

Nah. You wanna be Dio? Go True Brujah. They have a time stop power. After that find a way to learn vicissitude.

[@voxlknight2155]

cant wait for the Malkavian episode, the most interesting, and disturbing, of ALL the clans...except for maybe the Tzimisce.

[@klosharr]

used to play a malk in ttop, art thief / dealer, very hilarious

[@lorgarbeareroftheword5836]

The best clan is Giovanni.

[@TheEldritchGod]

Begone Fish Malk! You must truly embrace the destiny of madness! Make the walls of reality crumble like shale! Do not squat in the kibble, but revel in the true power of perceptional readjustment of the underpinnings of reality! Just remember... when you pull back all the many... many layers of the universe to see the truth of it all in unfettered glory... what do you do if there is... nothing

[@Rellana1]

Wasn't the Tzimisce clan the one that gave birth to Dracula as a Vampire?

[@Kainsdisciples]

I approve of this comment.

[@midshipman8654]

I always found it weird that the wiki for the clans immediately go from middeval/renaissance era to Victorian when taking about clan history. I mean the 1600’s and 1700’s were massively important in real life, so it’s really odd they kind of skim over that in the lore. Like I want to know how Protestantism effected vampire society, how early modern inventions/innovations , world exploration, and colonialism impacted the denizens of the night.

[@VarangianGuard13]

Yes! Give me that Reformation/ Early modern era information! Give me that crisp, luscious knowledge!

[@notsae66]

I image a decent way to counter these guys is to have highly decorated arnour and weapons; they'd get so distracted staring at your gun or sword they wouldn't be able to dodge!

[@TheCorrodedMan]

notsae66 Why would you even want to fight them. I’d just sit down and talk with them, imagine the stuff you could learn from a four hundred year old artist.

[@Lightzy1]

BRU*H*A, not BRUIZA ffs damnit lol

[@daredgobbo4535]

Real question. Is Arch secretly a vampire feeding us false information to try and keep up the masquerade?

[@shawnm1902]

Only a malkavian would come up with something so convoluted...

[@daredgobbo4535]

@@shawnm1902 arch is a secret vampire trying to sow disinformation

[@kana22693]

@Shawn M I'm pretty sure the CIA refer to this strategy as controlled opposition.

[@omegawilliam95s36]

Well at this point he's that, a Gray Seer, and a Lord Inquisitor at the same time.

[@davidmuresan9497]

The Toreador sound like they would get along with Sigvald the magnificent. Or fight over who is the prettiest

[@bradymenting5120]

I'd love to listen in on a Toreador debate "Nice soup cans, pleb." "Now listen here you cubist piece of shit..."

[@cierendavis8606]

Good guy arch out here making sure we get a crash course on clans for a new game like a champ

[@bigfatminer5590]

Pls pls pls give us a table top vampire masquerade series!!!!

[@QwertyBoredom122]

If it makes you feel better during the last Warhammer RP on Vee's channel Arch sort of made a joke about a Vampire RP that very quickly turned into future plans for one.

[@Rellana1]

I'm wondering if it's possible for someone to RP as a 3rd generation vampire or less,as I've seen one RP when someone through it was a good idea to attempt to infiltrate the mind of a 3rd level and found that was a very bad idea,once his defences against such a thing kicked in.

[@andresorionherediagarmendi2291]

Arch, keep on doing these videos! You are quite the storyteller!!

[@TheDeinonychus]

While I doubt they'd be in the game since they're just a bloodline (ironically), I'd love to hear Arch's take on the Samedi and where they came from. Also curious if he'll eventually cover anything of the rest of the World of Darkness, like the Werewolves or Mages.

[@TheEldritchGod]

Auspex, Presence and Celerity. Speed kills and knowing they are coming gives you a real edge. As for the draw back, there is a reason why Toreadors need high Self-Control.

[@weiswolf]

I just love your lore videos, doesn’t matter if it’s WH40k/Fantasy, Masquerade, or my grandmother’s sexual conquests. Thanks arch!

[@cnlbenmc]

1:34 speaking of DNA; what the hell is vampire DNA supposed to look like?

[@KaiserAfini]

Like anyone else's, but the cells are preserved as if they were a fresh corpse, the blood looks like a collection from many sources, organs are shriveled (no nervous ticks, no breathing, corpselike pale skin, etc) and all bodily fluids are substituted by blood. The Curse of Caine is a supernatural effect of the highest caliber, but it brings a collection of discrete concession to stealth (like retractable fangs and bite marks closing when a vampire licks them) and some blatant tells (Rotschreck, blood frenzy, daysleep, etc).

[@StarSage66]

@@KaiserAfini Funny enough I remember it being mentioned that any blood, hair, etc left by vampires doesn't really turn up anything on a DNA or blood test. It just comes off as too broken down to mean anything. But most stuff that falls off vampires tends to have time "catch up" with the point of the vampire's embrace, the longer the vampire's been embraced the faster the rate of decay. This is why putting a Fledgling to Final Death leaves a body for almost entire day while destroying an Elder would see them crumble into dust.

[@shawnm1902]

Ah yes, more slaneesh 40k lore. Eh? What do you mean this isn't a games workshop property?

[@BR4IN1N4J4R]

I adore the Volgirre. They're so complex and have a unique flair that makes most tabletop chronicles very interesting.

[@blackguard5883]

(Shameless copy-paste of myself) The Volgirre sub-clan seems _very_ interesting... especially one whom keeps a "family" of Ghouls he enhances using his Vicissitude. Only ever improving mind you, keeping the bond growing eternally. If you occasionally have to find a poor sod with matching blood type to mock-up like a "family" member to fake their death, assign a new identity, well... eggs for the omelette.

[@murderouskitten2577]

playing Hoi4 , listening to Arch Senpai , and eating icecream - i love my life :)

[@punchysonichu5395]

lol, that is literally what I'm doing right now. Got a half pint of Cookie Dough and just dropped some paras on Britain, wish me luck.

[@murderouskitten2577]

@@punchysonichu5395 Good luck mate .

[@mikhailbychkov5042]

3:10 So vampire dark eldar?

[@nalrashido]

The Antitribu Toreador are a mix of Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi cultist.

[@pegasus4941]

*nods gracefully and sips a well-measured slug of expertly conserved Burgundy blood* "A most exquisite piece of arch, if I may say so..."

[@Pastafari4]

You're a Ventrue? *Chuckles in Harbingers of Skulls*

[@lorgarbeareroftheword5836]

Giovanni is better.

[@Andri474]

Slaaneshi vampires. Somehow that's way worse than a regular vampire, since I usually see vampires as deviants in general.

[@Mister-Thirteen]

Toreador infighting = Slap fight.

[@vadandrumist1670]

Toreador Infighting with Celerity = Bayonetta/Matrix Fight.

[@Mister-Thirteen]

@@vadandrumist1670 Slow-mo slap fight.

[@reverendnorse]

I Love this series of videos! And I really like that you Arch seem to get more into them, using terms such as "these nights" instead of these days, mentioning the Sabbat for the first time when talking about the Antitribu. I can't wait for the video on the Ventrue! While I personally am a fan and player of Clan Gangrel, I know you will make that video special since it is Your favorit Clan... And it does fit you to a T my good sir!

[@DoctorM42]

My favourite VtM character was a Toreador bodybuilder. Also double as my only VtM character with any moral integrity.

[@garrettmastantuono8043]

Awesome job Arch, appreciate everything you do.

[@berserkshirtbear1271]

These are fun, please continue

[@CatholicDragoon]

LASOMBRA, Lasombra. I'am already voting. Lasombra!

[@CrysResan]

How will he mispronounce that clan name?

[@Etheriun]

@@CrysResan that makes me both curious and scared

[@dropdead234]

Artists? Hardly. But they *DO* make good material for True Art...

[@robertb7293]

Experiment number 69: recorded toreador reactions to being called pretty marines, hentai connoisseurs, and Edward Cullen. Subjects... expressed displeasure. Request for new lab assistant submitted.

[@frankg2790]

New lab assistant: your previous lab assistant called them Edward Cullen, didn't he? Every vampire goes postal when you call them that.

[@Jinballify]

Man, can't wait for Arch's take on Malkavians. Should be... interesting take on the immortally insane.

[@HubiKoshi]

Artists and Sculptors: Slaanesh counter ticks gently "Sees beauty... in pain.": The counter's needle smashes into the end of the scale so hard it breaks and flies away

[@speed1984]

Must.Not.Pre.Order. I hope that V:TM 2 becomes a great game. But I cant allow myself to bet on it with my own money anymore. Love the lore series. Keep 'em coming, should you find the time.

[@KageRyuu6]

Nah, we're gonna make you Nosferatu Arch.

[@GrimgoreIronhide]

Definetly Ventrue. Ventrue supremacy. My first ever wod character was a ventrue who stacked virtualy all his points into Fortitude, since i wanted to create a fighter in the name of the camarila who took the fight to the Sabbat. Just a monster who can shrug off whatever it wants. I of course then went on to find out that Fortitude was crap in the pen and paper, but i'm still fond of that character idea.

[@nalrashido]

One of the most sad and tragic Clans in VTM. Forced to perform certain acts to relive a specific passion that made them feel alive.

[@anto9571]

Starting to sound like those III Legion fancy boys. :P

[@MrBlueBurd0451]

Just imagine running like fuck for shelter when dawn is happening only to be entranced by the beauty of the sunrise. Yeah. Exactly.

[@nurgleschosen8145]

Come on arch I need my Malkavians lore video! I can't go on without my daily dose of insanity.

[@khamul64]

Blue eyes of mozzarella? Dude. Just look at this gorgeous choriso!

[@thosewhocando]

While playing Vampire Dark Ages, I had an NPC that had an appearance of 6. That’s out of 1-5 with 2 being your normal Joe and 5 being the hottest super model you can think of. She had to go around vailed all the time or start fights / wars by accident. And avoid Elders trying to claim her. So she was in hiding most of the time and hung out with Nosferatu part of the time.

[@pbr-streetgang]

Loved the novels from back in the day.

[@alilhard]

Can't wait for the lore videos on Villon and Saulot.

[@hoysandera2147]

Will you ever do a video over Hunter the Reckoning? It takes place in the same universe but deals with humans who have seen all this stuff go down. Not now but later maybe?

[@Reddotzebra]

You once again remind me of one of my dearly departed characters who not only managed to talk his way out of getting eaten by an ancient gargoyle monster, but also managed to get it to rip the head off the little dickweasel who tried to get him killed, as a Tremere. You know, the clan who made said ancient gargoyle monster before it decided to go rogue.

[@dougfoust117]

My toreador rocked 6 in appearance, and constantly got stuck in mirrors, it was great. "Roll will. Ok. You are stuck in your reflection in the captains eyes, and you miss the rest of the briefing" He also had to learn to fight with his eyes closed, shiny armor became an issue.

[@enoughothis]

One thing to remember about the Clan of the Rose is that degenerate does not mean harmless.

[@crazyloon6697]

Arch: Veeh gets a Critical fail and finds himself unable to stop looking at a one of a kind vase despite 8 men with automatic shotguns aimed at him

[@Elftechie]

One thing I was sad about in the Original VtmB was that you never really got the history or meaning behind the clans, except for a few pieces of dialogue. Thank you sir for these pieces, helps me put together a lot about the clans

[@artilyon]

Urrg that s why a short, purposeful and brutal is the one true path praise the Throne.

[@jackalgod668]

They r the emperor's children even to the chaos point swinging to the slaanesh side of things

[@renwolf3980]

The most dangerous aspects of this clan flaw is that if they encounter the start of a sunrise, they can't avoid seeing the whole thing. Which ends with a really bad case of crispy than on kinded's flesh. How to make sushi in WoD? You take a Thoreadore and bash him with a big bag of rice till turpor... serve fresh and cold.

[@Liiineeepiiieeeceee]

These vids are pretty good. Not as humorous or sassy as some of the 40k Lores but still interesting

[@Wulgreath]

While I had little doubt of Arch's patrician taste, it's still heartening to hear he is also Ventrue all the way

[@junemetcalfe8019]

"Can one truly diablorise an archangel?" Yes. Considering Mari the Black devoured her sire's soul (Michal) and then ascended to full demonhood. Think its safe to say, the old pervert is very much dead.

[@Lightman0359]

Putting a 40k spin on WoD : Tremere, Malkavian, Ventrue, True Brujah, Lasombra, Venetian Giovanni = Tzeentch [the Weaver to Werewolves] City Gangrel, Troile Brujah, Assamte = Khorne [The beast or Destroyer-Wyrm] Tzimisce, Country Gangrel, Gargoyles, Nosferatu, Cappadocian Giovanni: Nurgle [Corruptor Wyrm] Toreadore, Ravnos: Slannesh [Urge-Wyrm]

[@vadandrumist1670]

Three.

[@davidmuresan9497]

A Toreador adrenaline junkie that is into extreme sports would make for damn good melee fighter.

[@Reddotzebra]

A stack of comic books wielded by Stan Lee could probably also repel vampires. XD

[@wathanyuapipattarakul5713]

Excelsior! :D

[@leiyoung6535]

I’m just seeing Decard cain from D2 being like *Stay a while and listen* then the vampire crumbles to dust xD

[@johncloud3823]

“A touch of Slaanesh in the world of darkness” ... y’know, you may not be far off the mark there.

[@haraldbredsdorff2699]

I fear I am closer to Toreador than Human :p Music and art is lovely, so who needs food.

[@DG-yi7og]

Yo Arch! Been watching your content for years, and I heartily enjoy all of it. Very much hoping for / looking forward to a Tsimisce vid ;) Ventrue = 'Ven-' (as in the 'ven' of 'venture') '-true' (as in 'true') Tsimisce = 'Ts-' (as in the 'Ts' / 'Tz' of 'Tsar' / 'Tzar') '-imit-' (as in the 'imit' of 'imitate') '-ce' (as in the 'ze' in 'ze Germans!')

[@alpharius5178]

I think it would be hilarious if a cohort engages enemies and the toreador of the group just gets stunned by a beautiful painting. Everyone at the table trying to get your character active in the fight, but when it comes to your turn you engage with the art and ask for greater detail! That would be so funny, but a supremely dickish move.

[@raemont1328]

Tzimisce is the best Clan, for they may even become real live Yiff and Bad Dragons.

[@egglordthenosferatu3479]

No!

[@egglordthenosferatu3479]

Bad! Very bad! Get out of this house!

[@Marinealver]

I know this RPG was not as popular but I would like to see In Nomine lore videos. It is basicly Milton's Paradise Lost in RPG from, and yes made by Steve Jackson. Angel vs Demons also Angels vs Mythical beasts because they happen to be stuck up assholes.

[@GenesisXY8x8]

Honestly, I think the first clan I want to play in VtMb2 is Nosferatu, just because I feel like I missed out on the Hard mode challenge of finding everything you need to do in the game without being able to go into the streets, in the first game.

[@StarSage66]

Why hunt when you can have the Kine come to you? Sure the Gangrel might take pride in their hunts as some petty means of defining themselves, but frankly I can think of better ways to spend my nights than prowling around the streets just so I can get something to eat. Let the Low Clans indulge in their games, the High Clans have a world to run. (Unless it's 5th edition, but the problem there is you're now playing 5th edition)

[@Matt-md5yt]

Cane as in the First Fratricide maker? that reminds me of Bloodlines so much

[@nalrashido]

According to the Book of Nod (Part Vampire Bible part entire history) Caine became the first Vampire after murdering his brother Abel in cold blood.

[@rf-cattleprod6207]

I like the Gangrel but I am looking forward to Nosferatu and of course, Malkavian.

[@ivanthemadvandal8435]

I think I'll play a Toreador that is obsessed with Warhammer

[@thematrixdll]

26:05 - 26:50 In VTMB2 from the alternate timeline Toreador be like "Imma transhuman now!"

[@darthrevan3342]

25:20 Read Zola... Read Zola arch..... Btween the frivole and the serious human choose the frivole.

[@sidetracker3496]

IDK why GRRM hasn't considered writing a novel set in the World of Darkness. Pretanatural and Supernatural beings galore, Amoral Secret Societies and some of the most intriguing politics in fiction. I swear that man would write the shit out of a Vampire the Masquerade novel.

[@jamescarden8693]

I love your channel and all but really want my 40k lore back please Arch!!!

[@dravenocklost4253]

I wish you'd come back and finish the clans out but i seriously doubt that will happen.

[@mistared4021]

first,i think I'm first,second,arch do you have these pre-recorded?

[@harmen2456]

You forget that its generally a good idea to leave the Toreador alone. Sure most of them are artists and politicians... But then you get the outliers who a thousand years ago decided that there's nothing prettier then swordplay and has been working on it ever since... And this bastard is just waiting for a chance, any chance, to claim his, or someone elses, honour has been impuned just so he can show off.

[@beltfedfanatic]

Good stuff. More Arch lore.

[@binifarmer4045]

For a second, I thought you were going to say they were an idealized version of the cult of Slaanesh.

[@kodan7879]

MY MIND DEMANDS MALKIVAN

[@nickolauscantor1572]

Can the next video be on gangel? That's my favorite clan!

[@terminusrex-2904]

Could we get a primer video for the universe?

[@Demolitiondude]

If you're Nosferatu or Samedi. It's fun to trick a toreador by using mask of a thousand faces.

[@rateater1857]

if you're a tzimisce, it's fun to sculpt yourself a meat suit that is at once both supremely beautiful and absolutely disgusting and watch toreadors break down in panic and confusion as soon as they lay eyes upon you ;P

[@Nejiranu]

I would absolutely be voting for Giovanni if I could.

[@sonofthewolfguardianofthef1214]

Arch is the only man I know that can have 25k+ views and only have 35 dislikes

[@wishuponamonkeyspaw2458]

Silly Arch, we all know if you put it to a vote, you'll be a Malk.

[@shmee123ful]

My Slannassy sensors are tingling, should I be concerned?

[@FacetiousE]

Would you be able to make a general background vid for VtM? I'm legitimately interested in learning about this setting, but a lot of the jargon goes completely over my head.

[@lorgarbeareroftheword5836]

KZbin: gentleman's guide to v5

[@wadekuiper623]

Hoorah more lore!

[@internetenjoyer1044]

took me awhile to realise this wasn't warhammer lore