Player Perspective - A Poisonous Flight

[@Klondike1000]

It's nice when a day one bluff turns out to be so trusted.

[@savo6070]

This is my favourite game of Clocktower so far on this channel. So many incredible plays from both sides, and it was genuinely so close at the end

[@bishop1412]

Poor Ekin, Ben steamrolled his worlds

[@pah23]

Jojo is amazing, I'd love to see Jojo as storyteller for some games!!

[@Lastielion]

I don't think I am controversial in thinking anything 20th Century as retro in gaming (with a wee bit of wriggle room), but am willing to court controversy in how upset I get when people judge it as later than this. When people suggest something from 2014 is retro, I will not be held responsible

[@williamherbert2901]

There are certain games from around 2000 that I would classify as retro, but they’re all PC games. Games like Heroes of Might and Magic, Red Alert, StarCraft and so on. Console games from that era I can’t wrap my head around being retro. Halo CE will always be modern to me

[@SharienGaming]

whaaaaaaat that isnt retro! shut up, im not that old! .... *looks at calendar* damn i might be that old... well i deny any oldness anyway XD but yeah its usually a bit of a sliding window... retro is often perceived as the stuff you grew up with or if you are relatively young still, the stuff your parents keep telling you about

[@AliceWallace2]

I reckon platform has something to do with it. Like, I grew up with the original Xbox but I wouldn’t consider Tony Hawk’s Underground retro, for example. But the Gameboy, which I also grew up with, I would. Even though the main game I played on that was Pokémon Emerald.

[@inirlan]

Going by console generations, 2014 is "last gen", so not retro yet in my book. I consider anything two console generations or more old as retro, though.

[@simland]

2014 can only be allowed to be retro when Minecraft fades out of the zeitgeist.

[@luguinch.mp4]

I think it could be fun to see a minion character whose power is to interact with some things the Storyteller can announce, with no actual impact on the game itself. For example, the Storyteller tells a player they are Cerenovus mad when they really are not and there is no actual consequence in breaking madness. Or that there is a widow in play, etc etc...Could spread some lovely misinformation

[@Lunaraia]

Minion: The Hypochondriac: Each night chose a player, if the player is good, they believe they are mad about something, but they are not. If you choose an evil player, there is a fearmonger or leviathan announcement instead.

[@culila]

if you haven't watched 'twinning' on patters' channel yet i have good amne news for you~

[@Silvergrooves42]

Just as I had run out of clocktower content from the big channels! This was a great game (jk I haven't watched yet - but I look forward to it)

[@dsch0709]

Amni. Ability each night pick a player ST gives a number if you get that exact number of votes on that player learn either the demon or minions the next night.

[@emisor9272]

Easy to proc once you bingo if you pick 1, nom yourself and claim that you want to test a nomination with no votes (the 1 is a failsafe, you vote on yourself if no one did)

[@cinderstreaks4507]

Always good to see a poisoner game!

[@Alice-gc7rn]

Absolutely agree with Ben's definition of retro! Wondering about his age now 🤔

[@sofiipote7]

He's in his thirties

[@hccdgvvfccdgn993]

Agreed ps2 is a acceptable limit for the term retro.

[@DasGanon]

Saw this one live (that's my BG3 comment at the beginning of stream. I'm still in act 2. XD) Rough game for good though!

[@RoderickEtheria]

Isn't the ST Aggie, not Kat?

[@kiwiSid]

Yeah the ST is Aggie

[@RoderickEtheria]

​@@kiwiSidAnd if you don't understand my question, look at the description.

[@kiwiSid]

@@RoderickEtheria Lol maybe state in your original comment that there's an issue with the description

[@kjinskipify]

Yup. Not me.

[@RoderickEtheria]

Thanks for fixing description.

[@MezephelesArt]

Spoilers below if you're a sillyhead and forgot to watch the whole video before going into the comments Tag yourself I'm Simon nearly winning the entire game by panic-nominating and forgetting how Leviathan works

[@ericslingerland5472]

im about 43.22 in. just want to confirm, cant the village idiot replace town or outsiders? with 3 idiots in seems perfectly reasonable that the ST could have one replace an outsider, canceling out the balloonist +1

[@kiwiSid]

Village idiot is a townsfolk, and is a character token that is thrown in during the set up. A Village idiot could be the actual Drunk, or the Marionette, as those are chosen after tokens are distributed, but could not replace an outsider on this script where all outsiders are face tokens which are sent out

[@tehesprite502]

Currently not, though IMO Village Idiot should be changed into an Outsider itself based on the same logic that the Puzzlemaster is considered an Outsider- which would force it to take an Outsider slot.

[@ericslingerland5472]

Ah I see, gotta go back and rewatch the reveal stream. Thought they said the extra tokens could replace either

[@WolfOfLegend]

@@ericslingerland5472 currently all* [+X] setup abilities remove townsfolk from the bag to do so, with the [-X] abilities adding in townsfolk *(notable exception being huntsman's [+damsel] which _can_ remove a townsfolk, or do nothing if the damsel is already in the bag)

[@emdivine]

I think the ground rule is that unless stated otherwise, all replacements are from the townsfolk pool

[@Chlios1187]

Just more confirmation to me that the amnesiac interaction with poison/drunkenness is degenerate. All it takes is a single night of poisoning to completely sideline the character. There really needs to be some kind of exception for amnesiac, or story tellers need to limit how badly they lie about if the amnesiac's guess is close to correct. I mean think about it, in this scenario if poisoned Jojo gets incorrect info from their pick in the night, then goes to the story teller and nails their ability and gets a bingo, the ST could say "You nailed it" to the poisoned Amnesiac and now they're operating with false information from their first pick. Or even better, Jojo's guess should have been warm because they were missing a small detail, but the ST lies and says they nailed it. Now the amnesiac has some useful info, but there's a taint of misinformation because they will never realize there's a slight glitch. That sounds really fun. Instead, the amnesiac is sent way off course, their misinformation never even has value because there's nothing to frame it on, and the player just doesn't get to use their ability the whole game. Those first two scenarios sound way more fun for everyone involved IMO.

[@Chlios1187]

Another way to frame it: Every other character playing the game already knows their ability, and that can't be changed by poisoning. They can only be affected by poisoning in 1 way, and that is the execution of their ability. The amnesiac is doubly vulnerable to poisoning, as it can inhibit the execution of their ability, AND it can prevent them from finding out what their ability is in the first place. I think STs need to do a better job of letting poisoning only affect one of those vulnerabilities at a time, rather than just shafting the amnesiac entirely. And you might say, yeah it's fine that they're extra vulnerable because they usually have more power than the average ability, but they've already paid for that power by having to guess it. If you want to keep it fair, you should give an amnesiac that's being set up in a game with poisoning an uber powerful ability to match their increased risk of never finding out what it does.

[@samuelwoodhouse1796]

Daddy Ben :)

[@MrBluEDicE]

Ben what's your favourite Dota 2 hero and why is it Hoodwink?

[@BloodontheClocktower]

I'm particularly fond of Sniper and Pudge, but I play most of them and like to mix it up as much as possible. - Ben

[@Whopperle]

Any1 know how old JoJo's baby is?

[@MrHalofo]

11 months!

[@sdspivey]

If 2 outsiders die in one day, does the GF get 2 kills?

[@kiwiSid]

No, the Godfather still gets only 1 kill.

[@DasGanon]

It should probably be reworded a tiny bit to be "if any outsiders die during the day, choose 1 player. They die." Just to remove the "2 outsiders died, therefore 2 kills!" thought.

[@SharienGaming]

@@DasGanon yeah that would make sense - mind you, the current wording could also suggest that if 2 outsiders die during the day, the ability doesnt fire (which obviously isnt intended), because 2 is not 1^^

[@Miraxik]

Unfortunately not.