Bloomburrow "Changes" | Commander VS | Bumbleflower vs Hazel vs Zinnia vs Bello

[@SCGCommander]

Decklists! articles.starcitygames.com/magic-the-gathering/commander-vs-404-bloomburrow-precon-upgrades/

[@MrQuackr]

The 80 Dryad that Jon made are land creatures. They would have triggered landfall on the nantuko. He could have tapped his 70 clue and food tokens for mana, paid 2 for 35 nantuko triggers and made 70 more academy manufacturers with doubling season. The rest of the nantuko triggers would have made 90 insect tokens. He then would have had 73 academy manufacturers to make 3 to the Nth (73) minus 1 x2 tokens LMAO

[@shayneweyker]

"Director! Why don't we have enough tokens?"

[@lonman6786]

Wow lol!

[@Shank40]

XD

[@lifestyle936]

I'm not reading all that

[@colesouders2953]

4.50x10^44 tokens

[@EmmaTeckenbrock]

S-Emma here, glad you got the S-Deck! Sorry it got stuck in the tube, note to others, don't use poster board. I hope you enjoy it!

[@nickjoseph77]

Stephen might go blind staring at that neon paper while he writes it all out. Great idea! Lol

[@MrBLAAHHHHHHHHHHH]

Jokes on you. That pile of cards is on my kitchen table because I don't have a desk!

[@virgilhoward9071]

I had to buy a basket to keep mine from falling off my desk.😅

[@SCGCommander]

That's some good ambiance. Dinner with candlelight and stacks of unsorted cards.

[@kfunky209]

*shamefully reaches over stacks of cards to like the video for Jeremy's comment*

[@Triax1211]

The zoom in on Corey when he said that's nuts 🤣 😂

[@gnomersy1087]

"'I'm having fun I hope everyone else is having fun too.' 'We aren't!'" is basically a description of modern magic.

[@nickfranco865]

This was supposed to be the summer of Jeremy...

[@lonman6786]

Summer ended early

[@jacobyspurnger8488]

Jeremy is back home! Kinda wanted to see him win the season. He still could, there's hope #teamjeremy

[@lifestyle936]

As could the jets. All we can do is hope right?

[@subtleknife1]

Ahhh yes, you know you’re having fun when you have to choose how to order all your different token replacement effects

[@sandmanlives3]

Thank you guys. Thank was great!

[@dominiquereed2217]

Love the upgrade episodes keep it up

[@MrPinkpanzer]

These precons are awesome. Bloomburrow delivers in the fun department for sure.

[@matthewbeard7841]

Unless I'm mistaken Corey should have 34 points after this episode, not 33. He had 31 points going into the episode. Then he got +2 points for coming in 3rd place for the game and +1 point for first blood. It seems like first blood wasn't counted. Edit: Also seems like Stephen got an extra point for.... something? He had 31.5 at the start of the episode and listed as having 33.5 at the end of the episode which would be +2, but he got last place for the episode so that should have only been +1 for a point total of 32.5.

[@DHGcrimson]

i spoiled myself

[@Dark-Pikachu1]

55:01 -.5 point for looking at Corey hand 😏

[@jjcc8379]

52:25 Corey is completely right. I chuckled hard.

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

Corey definitely didn't attack with Mrs Bumbleflower

[@tyberiousmcelvogue6345]

left a little bit of a sour taste and the constant you missed your trigger you don't get it got old too

[@dustinhutcheson7825]

Yes he did. He pushes 4 creatures forward and says “these are attacking Stephen.”

[@dustinhutcheson7825]

46:10

[@tyberiousmcelvogue6345]

@@dustinhutcheson7825 it does look like it after but his math doesn't include bumble so it was still misrepresented

[@dustinhutcheson7825]

@@tyberiousmcelvogue6345 Yeah, after a few rewatches, Corey includes BF only after Jon says he has a response.

[@shawnmcmahon3117]

Just right at the start of the video, i feel called out... just damn....

[@MechanizedMinionMTG]

The manufactor copies were straight gas!

[@michaelburchill8181]

The pile on my desk recently decided to move to the floor after a momentary lapse in coordination

[@pathora4484]

Jon should make 3x 9(clues,food,treasure) 27 tokens and then double it to 54 everytime he would make any single one of those tokens. Each copy Academy Manufactor raises the power of 3 by 1. A fourth manufactor would make 81 tokens before parallel lives. A fifth manufactor would make 243 tokens, a sixth would make 729 tokens, etc... Having multiple copies of manufactor makes your brain hurt with how much math you need to do by making a single food/treasure/clue token

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

@@pathora4484 One Academy manufactor makes one token into one of each. The second turns them into three of each. The third one into nine of each. Then paralell lives makes that 18. I think their math is correct

[@pathora4484]

@Ricardo-zo1ti 18x3 is 54, so I am still correct.

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

@@pathora4484 oh, I thought you meant 54 of each token

[@yklys10s]

So, I bought Hazel's deck and didn't upgrade it at all. The deck simply works. It's very powerful and I felt that if I upgraded it, it'd go out of control. Now I know that's exactly what would happen.

[@ML7WL]

It seems like the squirrel theme is kinda of a trap. She and Baylen sound good with clues and gold tokens, since the tokens don't need to tap to do their effects.

[@michaelbond249]

Good game.

[@josephdowler9344]

So many stacks 😅 on point guys

[@commandergamer3337]

This game is almost as ridiculous and hilarious as the Christmas special last year 😂

[@crayyonnyadrav4055]

You know, for someone who really dislikes DnD, John turned into quite the dice goblin over there.

[@ArminS282]

43:35 how could Steven cast deflecting squat without mana and without his commander on the battlefield? Am I missing something here?

[@virgilhoward9071]

That was awesome 😂

[@nickjoseph77]

They should have just googled what happens when you have three academy manufacturers. Lol

[@BrunoCasagrandaNeves]

Corey calling me out for my cats, that hurt

[@oldmanaaron]

I work from home and my computer is surrounded by MTG cards and my wife does in fact hate it lol

[@whodalizzard]

Hey, I can start dealing with the piles on my desk now that I *should* have my 34 decks sorted

[@strife_mh]

How was deflecting swat cast when the commander was in the command zone and zero mana available?

[@Universum]

Thank you I just got to that point as well. Clearly Stephen forgot that his commander had died since the last time he threatened Corey with the swat lol

[@SkewedWarschark]

Is it possible to buy those tokens of you guys anywhere??

[@micahbush9543]

Wow I come here to watch some great commander game play and get called out in the first 2 minutes of the show. Gah! 😂

[@SCGCommander]

🎵Bet you think this song is about you🎵

[@WayneyMTG]

What in the world did you do to these decks 😅 great game 🫶🏼

[@RyuPlaneswalker]

Does pile of cards on your desk count if they are in a Deck Box?

[@MythrilShotgun]

I actually believe each instance of academy manufactor would get parallel lives'd. So Jon creates a copy of a token. That doubles before the first AM sees it. That first AM would create 2 of each, but instead, creates 4. Then the next AM sees 4*3 instances of its replacement affects, so it starts to make 12 of each, but instead, makes 24. Then the third AM would see 24*3 instances of its replacement affect, so instead of 72, it instead creates 144 copes of each a treasure, clue, and food. If I'm wrong with sequencing, let me know.

[@cryoboy]

Both the Manufacturer and the Parallel Lives are not triggers ("when x do x") but replacement effects ("if x INSTEAD x") and each instance only activates 1 time on the stack. So 1 token generated > Manufacturer 1 turns it into 3 > Manufacturer 2 turns it into 9 > Manufacturer 3 turns it into 27 and then Parallel Lives doubles it to 54 (18 of each token). You decide the order in which the replacements happen so you could also go: Treasure created > PL doubles it to 2 treasures > AM1 turns it into 6 > AM2 turns it into 18 > AM3 tuns it into 54. In this case the order doesn't matter. I'm a noob but I had to look all this up to check what happens with Tireless Provisioner (landfall = 1 treasure), Peregrin Took (if x tokens, instead x tokens + 1 food) and Chatterfang (if x tokens, instead x tokens + x squirrels) and Parallel Lives in play. And in this case you have to do the math to order the replacements correctly to get the most tokens: 1 Treasure > Peregrin = 1 treasure + 1 food > Chatterfang = 1 treasure, 1 food and 2 squirrels > PL = 2 treasures, 2 foods, 4 squirrels. Basically always do additive replacements (like Peregrin) first and multiplicative replacements (Parallel Lives) later.

[@davidrosenberg9615]

So, after reading the comments i skipped the gameplay to the very end and, uhhh, did no one play interaction all game?

[@Dark-Pikachu1]

Go Jeremy!!!

[@trizkit995]

Jokes on you. I just sorted those cards. Then took em all back out cuz i didnt like mysorting method......

[@brianmather9074]

Jon did save Stephen. Tear Asunder isn't a creature card and Cory's counterspell was a counter target creature spell. Add a point for Jon!

[@brianmather9074]

Aaaaaand I just caught my own mistake!!

[@trumanmeadows2128]

I'm surprised Steven didn't go for a token route with dual nature seeing itself hit play and copy itself.

[@RoseGoldenPetal]

So what have we learned class, Academy Manufactor is a strong card, specifically in a token based strategy let's just keep that in mind.

[@erikstone8336]

I don't have a pile of cards, ive got so many i had to get a card box just to hold all my good cards and my decks that are under construction! 😅

[@ethnine2692]

Bello is very underrated.

[@sketchopotamus8449]

oh god the zulaport into awaken the woods. if he doesn't get a sac outlet after that then what is he dooooin

[@evnya]

decklists?

[@agarcn6704]

Yeah except I have a pile on my dresser and my desk. My cat has knocked over those piles several times.

[@rocketrae21]

5 minutes in and Stephen shows us about 4 dollars of cards added and then Jeremy shows $400

[@Dclem742]

I don't know why Jon thought it would be a loop when they're all replacement effects. They just stack on top of each other and you just multiply the numbers. I know Jeremy stated after the fast forward that you guys figured it out, but it really wasn't that difficult to start with, it's just simple multiplication.

[@Robert-sq7bp]

It's honestly kind of niche to know replacement effects can't replace the same event more than once. A lot of people think each replacement effect is kinda making a new event, giving a chance for some other replacement to act. It's the same reason the manufacturers don't just keep replacing one another to infinity. It doesn't work that way but it _feels_ like it does to a lot of players. Also, if there's 3 manufacturers, wouldn't it be even more? 1 -> 3 -> 9 -> 27 * 2 = 54?

[@Dclem742]

@@Robert-sq7bp how many Manufactors are there ? (3) how many tokens do they make when you make one? (3). Then there’s a doubling effect (2x). 3x3x2=18

[@Robert-sq7bp]

@@Dclem742 aren’t there 3 manufacturers? The copy was copied by parallel lives so there’s 3 in play 1 becomes 3 3 becomes 9 9 becomes 27 27 gets doubled by parallel lives

[@Dclem742]

@@Robert-sq7bp I literally just explained to you the math. Idk where you’re getting that math from but it’s wrong. Let me break it down for you. One Manufactor makes 3 tokens. Two manufactors make 6 tokens. Three manufactors make 9 tokens. Then add in the doubler and what does that make? 9x2=18. It’s simple math

[@Robert-sq7bp]

@@Dclem742 The first manufactor makes 3 from 1 token The second manufactor makes 6 _more_ tokens from each of those 3 tokens The third manufactor makes 18 _more_ tokens from _those_ 6 tokens Making 27, which then doubles from parallel lives. Each token creates 3 more tokens for the next manufactor to make tokens from. Actually draw it out on paper with each clue/food/treasure coming out of the manufactor

[@Dark-Pikachu1]

Wait at the End couldn’t Steve target the witch with the deflecting swat?

[@jirdir9025]

Yes but even if he swatted the first one he just responds by putting all the triggers on the stack anyway or the last one they are already on the stack. It does nothing.

[@williamhenion3367]

@@jirdir9025 its the fact that he didn't control his commander so he shouldn't have been able to cast it anyways cause he was tapped out

[@pintlemounted]

I'm so tired of the squirrels winning

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Song at @5:24?

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[@monkeysammich]

Holy crap, just @ me next time about my piles on my desk.

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[@nickjoseph77]

Corey getting the whole team behind him to cheat Mrs. Bumbleflower damage on Stephen at the 48 minute mark. Shame!

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Corey throwing the game to John to spice Steven… smh but for the content

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