Bloons TD 6 - 4-Player Bows VS Guns Challenge | JeromeASF

[@sadpicklesquid6523]

Rebound Challenge Jerome: Boomerang monkey top route Vale: Sniper middle route Dropsy: Quincy Steve: Ninja Monkey top route with seeking shurikens Get to wave 100, 2 of each tower allowed and Dropsy can get monkey villages, one marketplace each Also sniper supply drops are allowed I recommend doing it on medium if you want a real challenge Like so Jerome sees this

[@Sora_Neverwinter]

Tell them to go the bottom path with the boomerang

[@Tyler-tn5bw]

Crossbow all the ways

[@thedudeunderyourbed5673]

Paste this on every new video that comes out just to make sure he sees it.

[@Littleicy1]

Anyone asking why steve didnt think bout glue gunner?

[@_dragonplays_1058]

I bet jerome chooses lther comment challenge bug i still want Rebound challange to be chosen

[@jamjaydon3266]

8:10 drinks 'water' while his dropsy gives him money!

[@yellowdiamond5795]

Minecraft challenge Skeleton: Quincy Enderman: legend of the night Enderdragon:Flying Fortress Tree:banana farm Benjamin allowed Get tier 5 by round 100 Get to round 120

[@coltonlehigh9269]

Big brain time

[@ashketchup731]

Yas thats a good challenge

[@lambchops9482]

Like your own comment

[@sirylixrl7286]

Yes

[@LuisFlores-un8xo]

The Yellow Diamond yeah bussy

[@cinnamonbuns4624]

New Challenge Primitive vs Modern Team 1: can only use primitive towers such as Pat Futsy Dart monkey Quincy (wolf pack skin ONLY) 3 2 0 banana farm Boomerang monkey Ice monkey Druid middle route And other towers you consider primitive Team 2: only able to use modern towers Banana farm Spike factory Sniper Bucaneer Bomb tower and also other towers you consider modern

[@michaelleonard903]

The Personality Challenge Jerome: THE KNIGHT!!! Steven Libby Delonore Roosevelt: Glue Gunner any route Bladeicus: Boomerang Monkey any route Cappy B: Boom-Boom Balls Banana Farms for Jerome and Cappy B Reach round 115 and you’re not stopping there! YAAAAAAAHH YOUR GOING ALL THE WAY TO 200 (JK)

[@ramaguilera7619]

Steven Libby Mortomor Delonore Roosevelt

[@ItzPandr]

Do this one jerrie

[@Saet-ey]

What about dropsy

[@stronkpenguino3258]

*Steven Delanor Roosevelt Mortimer Ransford Libby the third I’m pretty sure

[@thingamabob9153]

If dropsy plays she should be pat fusty because she rages in gta

[@jamesbachli5973]

Monster challenge Jerome: driuid going the bottom route Dropsy: alchimest going the middle route Steve: ninja going the bottom route Vale: wizard going the bottom route And try to get to round 121 And you could yous bannan farms

[@mousygd]

use*

[@mousygd]

You can*

[@niconeedsanap8130]

learn grammer

[@niconeedsanap8130]

No offense intended

[@xdsway1777]

James Bachli how old are you like 7 because your grammar is

[@jamesv9270]

The clash Royale challenge Giant-Pat Crusty Princess-Sniper top and bottom routes but no tier fours Flying Machine-Helicopter top route Bomb tower-Bomb Shooter top route No Benjamin No villages unless needed No Elixir Pumps-Banana Farms

[@BreadOnInternet]

Alexander the Gamer pat is musty

[@daredevil2_074]

Pat fusty

[@azure805]

Wouldn’t princess be Quincy? He gets upgrades that allow him to shoot multiple arrows at once. Basically, male princess.

[@xxcronik_blazexx6925]

@@azure805 yeah that makes more sense

[@jam7739]

Wtf its pat fusty

[@thatshadowfox9255]

Actually, secret thing!: crossbow masters can pop leads now! The last update it was a secret thing they changed (Edit: grammar)

[@naterogoff2743]

Ring challenge: Jerome- glaive lord Matt- Energizer for camos Vale- Ring of fire Dropsy- absolute zero No villages No farms Benjamin

[@legendaryluke3384]

Put that on discord bc on you tube he don't look

[@divine5142]

Jerome: Two in the afterNoOn Me: was that a voice crack 10:12

[@toxic_tatertot8897]

Just his AMAZING singing

[@TravisSzn]

The morning vs the evening vs the night 2v2v2challenge The morning is the top route of super monkey P1:blade P2:cappy b The evening I the middle route of the super monkey P1:steven P2:Matt The night is the bottom route of the super monkey P1:Jerome P2:dropsy Ps u can use banana farm and villages and 2 cash drop is allowed

[@vasu3029]

The top route will win because it is the best tier five in the game

[@Justin-sh5oz]

“Missiles are a little bigger than a gun.” -Jerome 2019

[@rock3tgaming947]

2019??? You mean 2020

[@shanewade1872]

2019 u mean 2021

[@TheZeeKR]

@@shanewade1872 2021?? It’s 42069

[@playwithmax9732]

yea a littel bit bigger

[@pifflevoid1633]

Thanks for the uploads Jerome these make my day please continue with bloons

[@him_man8614]

Dropsy:but i love bows me:i love bows My brother: ya'll got any Beans

[@Highlander_36]

Town of Salem theme Juggernaut- Pat Fusty Necromancer- Wizard Bottom route Poisoner- Alchemist top route PM- Alchemist (not full top route) Arsonist- Gwendolin or Tack shooter top route Plauguebearer- Glue gunner middle route Vigilante- Quincey or crossbow master Trapper- Engineer Bottom route Werewolf- Druid Bottom route Pestilence- True Sun God (lol) Round 110 Farms + Benjamin allowed

[@kasyhierro-storey740]

Shouldn't the glue gunner be top route for bloom solver

[@dryan3308]

Great idea

[@themagicalwolf5406]

You should do the blastem challenge Jerome-mortor (all 3 routes) Vale-captain Churchill (I think thats how you spell it) Steve-pirate lord (bucaneer only top route the 3-0-0 and up has bombs) Dropsy-spike factory (only top route) Bannana farms allowed but only bottom route All towers can go any route bu if its a roite specific you have to go the roite that has bombs and go 2 to any other route Must go to wave 150 Vale has to use the bam bam voice the entire time

[@tylerstachyra1657]

2v2 The Knight vs. The morning The Knight: the knight, prince of darkness, glave lord, and sniper monkey bottom route. The morning: sun temple, adora, xxl trap, and fenix lord. Banana fams and villages are included

[@Jammy-James2]

What's a fenix lord?

[@tylerstachyra1657]

@@Jammy-James2 a fenix lord is the middle route of the wizard monkey

[@abd0107]

@@tylerstachyra1657 r/whoosh

[@MegaAlexBailey]

WW2 challenge: sniper monkey bottom route Monkey ace: middle route Cannon: top route Monkey buccaneer: top route

[@AustinTheHunter13]

#WarFlashBacks

[@titanlord9267]

you know you're early when you use the discord notification

[@sirylixrl7286]

Exactly

[@tonychen6476]

Alexander Morris I’m gonna guess the guns win

[@PitOfDepression]

@@tonychen6476 nope

[@wolflover2489]

The Girls night challenge -Adora=Steve -Gwendolyn=Blade -Ezili=Dropsy -THE KNIGHT=You You can mix them up if you want

[@ChezzyPZ]

Rich Challenge Jerome: The Vengeful Tower Dropsy: The Anti Bloon Vale: Flying Fortress Blade:0-5-2 Dart Monkey

[@eagul1]

Intead of tje anti bloom do the night jerome has the night and dropsy gets the vengeful

[@Sammy00010]

And bma

[@ajacks6691]

The Walking Dead Challenge: Daryl Dixon - Crossbow Master Eugene Porter - Engineer (any route) and/or Benjamin The helicopter that took Rick - Heli pilot (any route) Legit anyone with a rifle - Sniper Monkey (any route)

[@levitate9598]

The North America challenge: Ice monkey(the northern part of North America) Banana farms(industries) Wizard middle route(parts closest to equator) Tzar bomba(nukes) Try To beat 101

[@mjolnirsoul9214]

right because "Tzar bomba" definitely screams "this is not russia"

[@enderman1058]

*Tsar Bombay

[@corn8857]

“ The only guns in the game are from the sniper and sub” Glue gunner: sad glue noises

[@highspeakerofthesluglord3475]

Glue gunner is my favourite monkey. With the dissolver it's great

[@sh4dowmast3r21]

I knew crossbows would win they’re too op even on their own and snipers aren’t that good alone

[@Jammy-James2]

Get a tack shooter down and they are gone

[@Coercioner]

Snipers are good wdym? They just didnt bother getting actually good upgrades and instead spammed maim moabs

[@kingslayer8001]

Jerome the era challenge Team 1 - sub middle route and Churchill as nowadays Team 2 - super monkey middle route and Churchill with robot skin as future Team 3- sniper top route and Quincy primitive skin as past Choose pats pond as the map

[@Butta12178]

Boat lovers challenge: All monkeys need to be on the top route boat Up to round 115

[@identity_undetermined]

Raft Challenge: Map:Spice Islands .Buccaneer (middle route and 1 each)- THE HOOKS! .Tack Shooter(top route and one each)- Purifier/Cooker .Banana Farm(Up to plantations and 5 each)- Planters You have to place everything on a pontoon(raft) and you can place any tower on the rafts.

[@harrystyles3181]

everyone: talks about marry poppins steven livy: what's poppin

[@FireMageTheSorcerer]

I have an idea - Darts vs Bombs challenge Darts - Dart monkeys and Supermonkeys and anything else that shoots darts Bombs - Bomb Towers and anything else that bombs balloons

[@jerichodavey7342]

This is what me and my friend managed to set up on the newest map at the end of wave 138, this picture was taken on april 8th and also stands as our personal highest wave record we got as the game crashed part way through wave 139.

[@lisatromley4677]

Cool mine is 218

[@alexanderholston9537]

Helping hand challenge Top route banana farm and village Middle route ninja Bottom route Druid Bottom route sniper You can gat as many towers as you want try to go to round 100

[@Braindead_Sarkic]

I want Vale to at one point say, “ Adam magik”.

[@rjaromin8050]

Land vs water challenge (Spice island map) Land team Ice monkey all routes (tip: you can make land towers step on water) Any monkey you want just one type of monkey (except water towers) Water team Buncaneer monkey all routes Submarine monkey all routes

[@TheSockDragon]

“It would be such a filling job” Until someone dies....

[@yonahappel4173]

Cyborg challenge: 1.) Boomerang monkey middle route. 2.) Super monkey middle route. 3.) Engineer monkey top route. 4.) Churchill skin.

[@FlameYT224]

Jerome: the color blind surgeon. This will definitely end well.

[@meshaw471]

Blind

[@FlameYT224]

@@meshaw471 I didn’t see my spelling error until you pointed it out

[@meshaw471]

@@FlameYT224 you're welcome

[@fuimhappy]

Make sure he pulls up the wiki how article to complete the surgery

[@christianburdo6042]

The night vs the morning challenge two vs two: super monkey bottom tier 5 super monkey top tier 5 Y’all can use as many banana farms as you want But only 3 super monkeys each Try to make it to wave 110

[@Joyheartonfire]

Awesome video. Thanks for making me smile, now I try to make you smile. Joke: What do you call a scented crossbow? Arrow-matic 😂😂😂

[@dorklord975]

🎶The Can't Stop Believing Challenge🎶: Only towers that apply constant damage across the entire map continuously; Druid- Spirit of the Forest Sniper Monkey- any route Wizard Monkey- Phoenix Lord Helicopter- any route with pursuit perk Ace Monkey- any route Buccaneer Ship- air craft carrier On Medium Mode, 1 banana farm per player, Benjamin is allowed You must make it to round 130

[@LietrielTempest]

Air-ground-sea challenge 6 player 2vs2vs2 challenge Jerome and dropsy as sea Steve and matt as air Blade and vale as ground Your each allowed to use any monkey money maker your category can use and the goal is to get to 115 and outlive your opponents Hf and gl

[@lukehaselden5316]

Jerome di the ghost buster challenge Jerome bloon trap as ghost trap Dropsy sentry paragon as ghost guns Vale either druid middle or alchemist middle as slimmer Steve banana farms just to be a nousence You can have one village and go to round 90 if u can bet it u can try to bet wave 100 and u have to get all of the tier fives by round 80

[@Jackson_Colonna]

THANK YOU FOR POSTING. IM SO BORED

[@JakeMochaKing]

GreenMonkey everyone is

[@LezoAxo]

The Unkown challenge Jerome:Glaive Lord (because the secret of the magic power) Steve:Crossbow master (the secret of knowledge of crossbow) Dropsy:Cripple MOAB (Because the secret of who its hunting) Matt:Spike Factory Any path (Because who is working on it) Go to round 105

[@ossichairman9785]

The lottery challenge Put all your names on a wheel then whoever it lands on give all your money to they can do what they like with it do this every 5 or 10waves your choice. Try to get to wave 100

[@edlphant1840]

I love Jerome saying I don’t know at the start

[@dineljaya4260]

Super Challenge Jerome: Super Mines Dropsy: Super Brittle Steve: Super Glue Matt: Super Maelstrom If anyone wants to switch out for Superstorm They can Banana Farms and Villages allowed round 100 Round Goal

[@geoblivionspacialmuddyrend6933]

Shellshock Challenge: Jerome:Captain Churchill Vale:Captain Churchill Steve:Captain Churchill Blade:Captain Churchill And Two Mortars (Top Route And Bottom Route) Get To Round 110

[@kristinritter9962]

Teenage mutant ninja turtles challenge: Master splinter - grandmaster ninja Shredder - glaive lord Krang - the anti-bloon Baxter stalkman - total transformation Each allowed 1 tier 4 crossbow monkey as 1 of the ninja turtles each Try to get to round 125 Farms are up to you 16th day asking

[@bingxie8068]

Newbie challenge: Player 1 to 4: only primary towers and hero( can use banana farm but no monkey farmer) Can upgrade 1 thing for each monkey every 3 rounds(farm XP) For tier 5 must wait 5 rounds NO power ups of any kind Go on easy Get to round 51

[@_kuruptkonvik_2059]

Let's put our snipers close to the track because they have a short range Steve/2020

[@latbil]

He was talking about the tiny circle that surround the snipers, because advanced intel monkey subs can shoot at Bloons that are in that “range”

[@jellyhi4784]

Hahahahaha

[@_kuruptkonvik_2059]

@@latbil I didn't ask

[@_kuruptkonvik_2059]

@@latbil he didn't even say that you twat

[@budairyyusi95]

Range challenge Jerome:submarine top route Vale:tack shooter top route Matt:ninja bottom route Dropsy:sniper

[@RhysFurber05]

For your next challenge do the banker challenge rules, one person has to be a banker but can have 1 tower of their chose in the primary section and the person who is not the banker van choose between magic and military this is a 2v2 challenge

[@draydenflow4966]

This is my favorite group of people and I have no idea why

[@steviedoesyt4401]

You can also do the overwatch challenge. 1 person goes double gun engineer for tracer, another goes sentry route for torbjorne, 1 person goes sniper for widow (bottom route) and Quincy for hanzo. Go to wave 100 no farms

[@malikg.hansen9473]

New challgenge: World War III: Sniper bottom, Sub bottom and mid, ship top, tank hero. Banana farm is allowed ÷bottom. Benjamin allowed, you can have unlimted amount of any tower. Good luck by beeting round 107 I like you videos so much!!!

[@tobyburg6873]

The Ground Pound Challenge (Big Boom Boom) Get To Round 125 Difficulty Medium (Should Be Easier For You Because I Wasn't Playing 4 Player) Jerome: Top Path Mortar Monkey (The Biggest One) And The Ninja Monkey Bottom Path (Master Bomber) Steve: Bomb Shooter Bottom Path (Bomb Blitz) Bomb Shooter Top Path (Bloon Crush) Dropsy: Alchemist Middle Path (Only To Unstable Concoction) Spike Factory Top Path (Super Mines Vale: Monkey Ace Middle Path (Tsar Bomba) Banana Farm Bottom Path (Monkey Wall Street) (Monkey Villages Allowed If Needed)

[@iffahnurdian]

Camping challange Boyscout:dart monkey Girlscout:adora(joan of arc skin) Fire starter:gwendolyn(scientist skin) Wood supplier:obyn greenfoot(no skin) Headmaster:benjamin(no skin)

[@NoahYoshi55]

Fast game. Jerome super monkey 2.0.5 Dropsy dart monkey 2.0.5 Vs Slow game. Blade any (can’t be fast) Steve same and Jerome and dropsy get banks(20) Steve and blade gets 0.0.0 farms (100000000000000000000) 2v2 Like so Jerome can see

[@ColdFront27]

Cannond vs misiles Team 1 Canon top and bottom (cant go 2 to tge mid) And pirite ship as long as you get canons Team 2 Sub mid Cannin mid

[@johanphan393]

You could've done engineer monkey or glue gunner for the gun team :))

[@99centleague2]

Darts vs canons Bomb tower Buccaneer Bombs Darts Ace top route Helicopter top route

[@alexparish9988]

You know what I like about jerome bloons videos they can go so of topic that they just talk about things not related to it at all

[@GTheMiniBoss]

Every one: PANIC!!! Cappy-B @ 10:46 : *sMaNiC* *aT* *tHe* *dIsCo*

[@tufutanks]

9:38 Obviously Crossbow They have awesome pierce and damage and you and dropsy are a wayyyyyyyy better team than.. The randoms

[@jeremystrojek9856]

Medieval vs Modern 2v2 Medieval: Buccaneer middle route Alchemist bottom route Ninja top route Cannon Quincy Modern: Submarine Helicopter top route Spike factory middle route Mortar Benjamin Can use villages and farms Goal round 90 Play on cubism

[@xxdeadlyphoenixx6664]

Movie challenge Jerome-The knight-batman movie Dropsy-ice monkey middle route-ice age Captainblast-super monkey middle route tier 4-statfire (teen titans) Steve-super monkey middle route tier 5-Cyborg (teen titans)

[@xxdeadlyphoenixx6664]

Also banana farms are allowed get to round 101

[@steviedoesyt4401]

I have a revamped dark vs light challenge. Jerome: Vengeful dark sun God Dropsy: Prince of Darkness Matt/Vale: Adora Steve/Blade: True sun God Must go to round 150, max of 5 banana farms per team, maximum of 3 redos if needed Good luck.

[@the_behr_trap0241]

(Day 2) Jerome can you play Oxygen Not Included again? I really liked that series and I want you to play it again.

[@kibstar1]

dropsy honestly made my day by completing it with the superior lyrics of mr. sandman

[@wyattmcdonald2171]

Ok I gotta give a shout out to Adam he's amazing

[@aaronalkor]

Superhero Challenge: Jerome: Super Monkey 0-2-5 (Batman) Player 2: Super Monkey 2-5-0 (Cyborg) Player 3: Super Monkey 5-0-2 (Superman 1 Million) Player 4: Any money making Towers Reach at least Round 90 Only player 4 allowed Benjamin Good luck

[@alexlewis3719]

Its 9 in the afternoon but close enough😂😂

[@vasilisvasilis4983]

Do a MARVEL challenge 1)Bomb shooter 002 or 003 for Howard stark inventions 2)Quincy for Hawkeye 3) pat fusty for hulk 4) super monkey 030 for iron man MK1 5) sniper monkey 005 for Winter soldier AKA Bucky 6) Banana banks or Mib for stark indistries 7) striker Johns for the military commander or striker Johns with the skin for ghost rider ( yes ghost rider is MARVEL) 8)Ice monkey 5 0 0 for frost giants (from Thor ) 9) Druid 500 for Odin 10) Druid 005 for dark elfs (Thor the dark world And yes I am a big marvel fan

[@StuartWatsonNQL]

Zambie Apopalyse Wave 100 Apopalyse mode Mr Mattias: Wizard bottom route Mr Jerome: Subbby Boi Mr LIBBAY:Glue dude (he does stuff) Dj Dropsy: Helicopter

[@devwat4460]

You should redo this challenge, but change places Jerome, you and your partner will be guns, and then both you and your partner go these routes, since both of you can get a tier 5 tower each. Sniper: middle path with 2 to the bottom. Helicopter: I think the middle path has a air drop. Pirates: the trade empire path, (the Cannons can be consider as guns, I think.) Ways to get money, and using money to get more towers & more expensive upgrades easily. After all, since you & your partner won as the Bow team, it's time to win as the Gun team, and then you could bring up that you & your partner won as both team's.

[@nghinguyen4420]

2v2 all classes challenge Team 1 Primary + magic = 11 monkey Team 2 Military + support = 10monkey(bonus hero) Each player chose one classes Team 2 can use framer Just use 3 monkey with 3 path of one monkey

[@cursedcactus6335]

2v2 melee vs bows Melee Pat fusty Top route ice monkey Bows Quincy Bottom route dart monkey Both teams get banana farms See how far each team get

[@netharrr7401]

Seige chalenge!!! Map Dark Castle (if unlocked if not then any map) Castle team Village top route (one and get ASAP while living) Bomb shooter three banana farms Seige team Mortar monkey unlimited banana farms spike factory anyone can place banana farms, last as long as possible, last team losses

[@aleyasafiy6910]

Storm challenge Spike factory:Spike storm Tack shotter:Super malestorm Glue gunner:Glue storm Druid:Superstorm

[@rush9832]

Water vs Fire 2v2 challenge : Jerome and Dropsy : Ice monkey Sitemusic88 and Captain Blastem:Wizard Monkey-Middle route All of you can use Banana Farms and Monkey Villages. The winner wins... UNIT! BADGE

[@paulzaabbalingit867]

Harry potter challenge Jerome:wizard monkey middle route phoenix Dropsy:wizard monkey top route dumbledor Steve:tack shotter middle route goblet of fire Cappy b b:pat fusty hagrid

[@jeremystrojek9856]

Left vs right Split the monkeys down the middle one team gets the left ones the other the right Left: boomerang, tack shooter, glue gunner, etc. Right: dart monkey, cannon, ice, etc Everyone can use banana farms and villages Left can have one hero because banana farm and villages are for everyone

[@leonplays_xd5288]

Yeah!!! Thank you im always bored thank you for posting

[@mariafetenoso3757]

you shoud do the hunter challennge; engineer monkey;bottom route sniper monkey;top routte dart monkey; bottom route bomerang monkey;bottom route can have farm but the bank only

[@mingaurollinekmnbbh794]

Explosive vs magic challenge please : like motar ,submarine cannon, super mine, tsar bomba.

[@CowKirbo]

Stop overestimating the loss of lives! Losing a few lives is not the end of the world

[@unicornofgod9005]

Jerome plz do the medieval challenge Bomb tower: bottom route Dart monkey: top route Wizard: Merlin(top route) Quincy as well Monkey pirate Banana farms allowed

[@dovahnok0957]

O.o 2 in the afternoon? Guys! It’s 9 in the afternoon!

[@afightingcactus4617]

9:37 Idc if it's a year ago but the better will be cross bows cause it's quick shooting and crits and will burn moabs cause of the map and Quincy can just cover any normal bloons that's not a ceramic but can if she uses 2 ability

[@Trey_1029]

Their big brain power ideas were so noble I was like I would want to do robotics so I could make cool things and fight them

[@douglasgray1578]

Prehistoric verses future time challenge. Pat fusty ice monkey Super monkey 0-5-2 and 2-5-0 bomb tower

[@aaronalkor]

James Cameron’s Avatar: Final Battle, is basically this challenge

[@spiritvdc5109]

lol same outcome as well

[@jacobhernandez4494]

OVERLORD challenge Ainz Ooal Gown - 1 prince of darkness Shalltear - 1 avatar of wrath Albedo - 1 legend the knight Demiurge - 1 master bomber Mare - 1 spirit of the forest Aura - 1 moab domination Cocytus - 1 icicle impale Sebas - 1 permanent brew and a support chinook/special pop-operations (to move around the permanent brew) the battle maids - 4 Benjamin and 4 ultra boost Victim - (the first time you die, continue and keep the money) Pandora's actor - 1 of any tower, (you can switch any time as long as you sell the original) (top route banana farms allowed/ required with the Benjamin or you wont have enough money) make it to round 110 if you beat it early, continue until you have all the level 5(s)

[@gilbertinastefan]

9:46 crossbows seems to be winning

[@estebancordova7114]

Vale’s challenge Jerome:sub mid route Vale:ground zero Steve:the biggest one Matt: Balloon crush Bananafarms and villages are alawed

[@lol-gr3ud]

Air strike chalange : u kan use any morter monkey , mid route submarene and the tsar bomba. Love from Belgium ʕっ•ᴥ•ʔっ

[@lindenreynolds254]

See how long you guys can last with four legend of the night this one's for you Jerome

[@BSD_Edits.]

13:41

[@chrisjackson7918]

1:51, the price of quick shots went down, was I the only one who noticed?