BMW E90 N52 3 Stage Intake Manifold Swap !!! Was It Worth It ??? HP Upgrade ???

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In this video I show how to swap in the 3 stage intake manifold on your bmw e90 with the n52 engine, was the power to money ration worth it? For Business Contact :
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[@DocR16]

I hate giving thumbs down, but knocking the 3 stage intake because you only did 90% of the install is just bad info. It needs a tune to properly take advantage of the swap, and that's something you failed to do. No wonder you think it's a waste of time. You didn't do it right.

[@L-Noble.YT_Hi.Res-Soundminds]

Agreed! The 3sm works thats why the 330 has more power. It is worth it. But the car needs to be tuned.

[@scanspeak00]

Did it to my car with a new tune and it made a massive difference. Best mod I've ever done. I think the tune is essential to achieve it's potential.

[@Bob-mj2uc]

scanspeak00 what tune did u pick

[@silent_torseeker7741]

Intrested in the tune

[@scanspeak00]

The specialist did it for me - I think it was Active Autoworks.

[@armandomarquez2517]

@@scanspeak00 how much hp did It give u?

[@Jrvince235i]

scanspeak00 what kind of tune did you get and how did you do it ? I need mine done ASAP

[@herpnut]

The tune is essential in this swap. This video has no real before/after test and it’s purely subjective. Please back your videos up with proof before you share inaccurate information to thousands of people.

[@tredakatko]

Facts bro and this dude scared to drive his car mine and stock and I be racing hella cars and keeping up, and I have hit 145 in my car in about 19 secs

[@ulisesdiaz6548]

Fax

[@KenniTheKid]

You probably need the 330i tune for the new manifold to show any type of improvements. Right now, the car doesn't know what to do with the extra parts you just added. There is a reason there is a 330i tune and a 328i tune.

[@jack199525]

KenniTheKid ☝️

[@SwampyMusic]

Yar matey

[@EmpraMcdade]

Exactly, I just did the bimmerlabs tune to tune my 328xi to 330i. Now all I need is to put in my intake manifold.

[@samah713]

@@EmpraMcdade did you notice any power improvements?

[@EmpraMcdade]

@@samah713 yup I sure did, even with just doing the bimmerlabs tune I felt a difference. I made a video about it.

[@Rusty-Shackleford69]

Glad to see you posting another video Nathan!✌

[@bucko1508]

As most other said. You NEED to have a tune in order for the 3SIM to even function correctly.

[@turboterry1776]

Yep

[@anxietycircle5810]

Lol I was genuinely stunned thag he thought you would just change the manifold and hey presto 40 plus bhp with no tune lol

[@Foreignsgarage444]

Wat tune do they have for the n52

[@TheFreakINcontrol]

@@Foreignsgarage444 Lots of BMW big name tuners offer a tune for the 3 stage manifold, optimization for headers, air intake and modified intake lifter valvetronic supports (intake valves open more) as well if you get those. Some do it better than others.

[@micahdornbusch3555]

It’s a rough idea if you dont

[@SwampyMusic]

The E90 330i is the exact same engine as the 328i but it comes with A: Everything you added -and- B: a computer program set to constrict the engine power in various ways..much like how your car has a "govenor" or top speed being set by a peice of computer software. This can be changed, as well as most of evrything else. Its called A TUNE if that hasnt become appearent yet

[@bonlob23]

The tune is literally the whole mod. It wont be any faster without it but with it its noticeably faster. It doesnt help that you were is Drive and not DS which made you kickdown into 3rd from 40mph instead of 2nd from 40mph which is where it is actually in power.

[@ChangoeMotorsport]

Nice video again. Nathan, what is the model of the laptop you use? I also use ISTA a lot but think I need a new laptop🤔

[@Shamus71]

Pretty cool to see DISA’s being controlled from across the pond 😂

[@martinmckenna8834]

Just bought a 2007 330ise for £2000 and it done 132000 miles full service history,1owner,it's like a new car and it's fast and I've had cosworths,st229s and a selection of 80s,90s,2000s turbo and normally aspirated sports cars and the e90 is the best driving car I've had,it's also faster than most of the cars I've had,my first BMW and I'm very happy with it

[@Michaelplays53]

Great video Nathan 👍

[@illwill9396]

Hey nate, are u gonna respond to all the comments regarding, needing the tune for this to work???

[@sannyp120963]

looking at getting this done. My CCV seems like its going, so was planning on upgrading the intake whilst I'm at it

[@BMWI-gk9wh]

With the intake and manifold change, you need a ecu map.

[@alisioardiona727]

Are you planning on doing a series on the N54 engine ? Many would like to see it.

[@TOMAHAWK813]

Thanks for this! Love me some bmw channels as well!

[@jamesluke7377]

I really like the blue. Thanks to you and Dean, I'm wishing to find a whay to afford the e60. Gotta get my Jeep XJ back up 1st and figure how to get something out of the e46.

[@mcrowley8460]

Good video. Would be a good time to install a fresh starter too.

[@e90gabe]

Definitely need the tune that would be substantially helpful

[@larryjohnson8168]

It’ll need a tune for it probably I use a obd2 tuner it works

[@user-ek5qu6he6m]

Which tuner?

[@danny_r27]

I’m researching a supercharger kit for the 328i. The 3 stage Intake Manifold is required along with a full custom tune to get the most out of it. So it’s work it if you’re putting that SC kit.

[@LuisMartinez-ry2qr]

Supercharger ? Bro just get a 335i

[@JoaoOliveira-tc3fi]

Bro it will work without sc, just a 330i map tune or a custom tune

[@floridianrailauto9032]

@@LuisMartinez-ry2qr I prefer supercharging over turbocharging

[@yuropean_eunion2133]

@@floridianrailauto9032 whatever you prefer, but the entire reason why most people (including me) stay on the slow af 328i instead of the 335i is because the 328i is way more reliable and supercharging it is way more expensive than just trading in for a 335i

[@speedygee6396]

​@@yuropean_eunion2133your comment makes not sense once you supercharge the 328 you lose reliability

[@anxietycircle5810]

Not gonna be any faster is it lol you need to take it for a tune hahah, it’s still running on the current ecu settings you have basicly swapped the manifold for a different manifold with no tune what did you expect? Your supposed to now take it for the moselium map for the 330i

[@avid580]

Why would you upgrade the manifold and not tell the ecu? The computer is still limiting the air-fuel ratio.

[@reggiejohnson8224]

I just did this to my e60 (10 528) and I feel a big difference WITHOUT THE TUNE…so I can imagine

[@fancyclown270]

Did the 3 stage with DISA swap on my 128i and immediately felt the gains without the tune, so I can imagine how much more I’ll feel with it.

[@hduncan2587]

I'm just waiting to see how the guy over at /Drive building his 128i will have issues with smog in Southern California. If it's something where we can just have a state referee say it's fine with a factory spec tune (basically just an E90 330i tune, along with countless other fully optioned N52 cars), then I'll head off to a Pick-n-Pull or similar and grab the 3SIM.

[@Raetam]

@@hduncan2587 let me know if u ever find out im interested in doing it to mine and i live in the same ish area

[@alext.4525]

“We haven’t flashed it to the 330i tune-it’s the 328-but I don’t see that making much of a difference...” What an asinine comment from a guy with over 100k subscribers that has “BMW Workshop” in his channel’s name. If anything, bruh, your car is probably performing worse than before you swapped the manifold in. Hopefully you’ll flash the 330 tune, delete this video, and upload a still subjective but proper review.

[@meldog88gaming]

It’s a cruiser that’s it 👌🏼

[@mfloridawerks7095]

I put a new intake manifold I have a 328i and I put intake manifold 330i but I need tune idk how

[@craigreid9132]

bms pedal tuner and Nos is all you need

[@o1b1n4m9]

Thanks so much, I was looking at doing this mod on my E93. I am relecuctant to mess with it as it is (afer all these years) still very standard... and unmolested.... You helped me make up my mind!! D

[@camposjesus3725]

You need to tune it lol I dynod my 328 before and after the 3 stage intake upgrade I gained 45 HP to the wheels putting me at 275 WHP on my E93 328

[@docp62]

Thanks for the video. I have a 3-stage I was planning to put on my 325i, but maybe it's not worth the hassle.

[@danielturcios7218]

Russell Poyner if you get a tune for it you’ll see a difference. I did it to my 328i without a tune at first and didn’t notice anything. A week later I decided to get the tune done and I can feel the extra power

[@gemstun11]

@Zakary Batista www.bimmerworld.com/E90-325i-330i-E60-525i-530i-Z4-30i-30si-Stage-2-Performance-Software.html

[@armandomarquez2517]

@@danielturcios7218 is it a big difference? and how much he does it give u?

[@danielturcios7218]

Armando Marquez it gives you like 25 more hp, and it really wakes up the car. If you get catless headers you can get about 40 more hp which I already did and i can notice it

[@armandomarquez2517]

@@danielturcios7218 how are the headers for a daily?annoyingly loud? or bearable?

[@marcod184]

Do you have a like to the obd2 cable you use?

[@johncoss5604]

Love your honesty

[@evatheboxer7417]

the sulev 528i has the stage 3 intake manifold??

[@fohatadri]

Did you get it tuned ? If you don't do anything to the ECU the thing will move slower than before.

[@BMWI-gk9wh]

Exactly.

[@alexwalsh31]

You need the 330i tune but you can go one better the remap you would do if it was already a 330i that way your jump a nice leap with BHP and torque

[@Gripen85]

Yeah those fuel ho's :D Actually, I have had a euro spec e90 330i and I would rate it much quicker than this. On a 530i n52 now, which is a little slower than the 330i n52.

[@hduncan2587]

Sure, it's all well and good for an E90 guy to just say "just get a 330i." The E91 and E82 never had that engine packaging, and that's part of the fun of the mod-- doing what BMW didn't, and should have to begin with. I have an E82. And having an already lighter, smaller car, I know I'm enjoying it more than a similarly powered and geared E90 or E91 because of it-- add in the manifold and tune, and the 330i would still be a moot point for the same reasons. The smaller, more nimble platform will be even more of a weapon. A manifold is an easy trip to a half dozen parts places where I can grab it my self locally for $200-300 (if I had to guess). Some new DISA's to make sure they're fresh and correct, and the tune... yeah, it's pricier than sticking with the crapshoot in some roached-out X3 donor. But it saves a little bit, and would remove the variable of them being bad.

[@Saicopateful]

This one is very slow. You may have some mixture regulation problem. The catalytic converter error will show up after ca. 50 miles. Usually 3IM adds ca. 20HP on a healthy engine.

[@EmpraMcdade]

He just needs to tune and remap his ecu

[@masscomnet]

Did you re-calibrate the throttle body?

[@oumaniac]

Hi Nathan, do you get the N52 startup rpm bump on your engine? When i start my car...after 5 seconds, the rpm goes up a bit then back down to normal. What should i check first?

[@James45429]

CarGuy66 I had similar issues too, check for fuel leaks, dirty air filter, dirty MAF sensor, throttle body or MAP sensor

[@oumaniac]

@@James45429 Nice...I'll check those out. Thanks!

[@s7Switch]

for testing put it DS mode and dont shift let it be in DS it will be way more aggressive

[@prebird]

You know what’s funny. They tell you in the bmw owners manual not to hammer down on the accelerator and take the drive train that far. But do we listen? Lol

[@panamanian_n5x]

do somebody know which tune should i get after i install this on my car? if somebody knows, please let me know!

[@InternationG]

i have the 3.0 without the disa valves. fast enough in my opinion. those flaps are more trouble than their worth. as with all things flap.

[@bamwa]

lol i see what you did there. flapz

[@THEOGGUNSHOW]

There are companies that make more reliable upgraded DISA valves from high-end machined aluminum

[@ChromeN9ne]

share please:) OEM far too expensive for this mod@@THEOGGUNSHOW

[@THEOGGUNSHOW]

@ChromeN9ne I don't know where you're getting your quotes from, but I've seen the upgraded aluminum repair kits for $53USD for a set of 2 with gaskets. I've seen them lower than that, but I'm dubious of the quality. Alternatively, if you're handy, you could easily use green sand to create a mold and cast the part yourself. It takes some practice, but there's nothing particularly difficult or cost-preventative to doing it.

[@geoffreygover-sharpe4642]

Are you kidding, you didn't bother with the tune? That's what is responsible for making full use of the disa valves in the new manifold. So much for this being a "BMW Workshop" channel...

[@aleksankazakov]

Also to add to what others already said, Noone spends $200 or $1000 or even $500 on this swap. All you need is to buy a used manifold with Disas of some partout guy, Plus you need a cable, a laptop that you likely already have and couple of hours of messing with it. The tune you install stock from a 330 which is free up on forums. If you want to spend more money , yes you may buy a tune that will be somewhat advanced than the regular one.

[@Verasign]

You have to get a tune I believe bmw de tuned the stage 3 intake manifold

[@matthewmoser2090]

For knowing a bunch about Bmws it’s so funny that you say that a tune to the 330i won’t make much a difference 🤣

[@judedecamp2522]

This video hurt my feelings “just drive the car that’s what it was made for “

[@krispytoast8804]

I have a stage 1 obd tune. Can I use that instead of getting a 330 tune? I have a 325

[@JoaoOliveira-tc3fi]

Its better if u use a 330i stock map and then add a stage 1 tune, after that it will improve much more ur hp and torque

[@mfloridawerks7095]

What I can use for tune my car?

[@user-oh1xg4my6g]

Lol you actually made it slower, the disa needs to be closed for lower end torque, and even when stuck open no check engine will show up.

[@hightimes5309]

Can i use this manifold on my 2011 n52 f10 523i?

[@Rusty-Shackleford69]

Thank you for being honest about this mod. The research I've done shows the same.

[@cold_e9086]

We need to put it in sport mode man

[@anthonythomas4423]

And turn traction control completely off

[@EmpraMcdade]

He needs to tune it as well as remap the ecu

[@Warzonecodzilla]

My guy need some spark plugs and coils maybe cause when. Engine light is on it reduces power forsure

[@Holdeenio]

Bro, just do the proper tune… it makes so much difference

[@micahdornbusch3555]

It’s so simple get the 3 stage intake, and a flash tune

[@rowen898]

Hey did you ever get the 330i tune done? I ask because you can flash it for free to a 330i from bimmerlabs website. The 328i flash is only good for 230hp and the 330i flash is good for 260hp as you probably know. Disa works on both flashes but has no hp gain on the 328i flash if your started with a 328i non disa. I may try this soon taking a 128i to a 130i and might poke at you and dean for some knowledge.

[@joshuapena6414]

rowen898 I have a 128i and I’m looking to make 300 hp, any tips on how to achieve that number ?

[@rowen898]

Joshua Pena catless headers, larger exhaust, 330i maf less euro tune with 3stage intake manifold, valvetronic shims(milvs) - this should take you to 300 or close to. If thats not enough put the supercharger in it.

[@orion1two]

This is like putting bigger turbos on n54 with stock tune. lol

[@L-Noble.YT_Hi.Res-Soundminds]

Hey everyone dont be put off by Nathans results of the manifold swap. The manifold requires dme tuning to bring the power up. Getting more power costs money. Its not cheap.

[@vlonevlone2319]

Dme tuning ?

[@L-Noble.YT_Hi.Res-Soundminds]

@@vlonevlone2319 Dme is the cars computer. Dme is what BMW calls it.

[@Jordan2SK]

Lately I’ve been having issues with my 09 328i. When I put the pedal to the floor it starts to go, and then around 3000+ rpm mark it’s start to make a rattling noise and hesitates. When it does that it starts to spit out white exhaust smoke. It also smokes heavier white smoke when I brake quit quickly. It’s burning around 1 litre of oil every 400km. I had changed my valve cover in February as I had a gasket leak and the cover was cracked

[@kaifarrell5654]

Head gasket??

[@lojkl123]

adds new part, plugs stuff in ,doesn't tell the computer the part even exists, bashes product. the tune is required, as you will see little to no gains on most parts if you don't tell the computer that something is different.

[@neu1113]

What matters is the air going in the engine not the air going out. Back in the days, the only time well oversize our manifold pipes is after we port our cylinder heads. I dont even know why that this is a trend nowadays. Why would you even start changing manifolds, intakes, exhaust systems if u ain't got no work done on your engine. Engine! Damn it. Cams, port holes valves, pistons! Exhaust pipes and manifolds ain't part of what's inside your engines d!@#$ies!

[@dron5226]

You prolly should turn your air conditioning so the engine won’t lag 😐

[@AppleMan561]

Got one from a junk yard for $40

[@jamcarz8982]

Did it work?!?

[@AppleMan561]

@muhammad fadhli napu 2006 bmw 330i and any 328i model that is SULEV

[@pakomorfin4498]

Got mine for $30

[@kiehna84]

Same!

[@evatheboxer7417]

the sulev 528i has the stage 3 intake manifold??

[@jpcia260]

Adding horse power to a flawed crank hub design , not wise! In my N52 rebuild, Im focused on the hub right now!

[@mksoul9212]

Did you really not map the completely free tune after installing the manifold? If you didn't then you're 100% incorrect in your conclusion.

[@seanpaul3050]

You need a fully qualified bmw doctor, not some cowboy. 😁

[@hezzam603]

Nathan is a typical country mechanic. Just ignore what he said.

[@stukatz2445]

Wrong! you need the 330 tune! I did this to my E91. Huge imprvement to throttle response and low end torque. Imakes it a great daily

[@douglasfeeley5502]

"I don't need the tune.. " yes you do. Turner Motorsports from ECS tuning makes a tune that is affordable. Why do all the work then keep it a secret from the ecm?

[@silent_torseeker7741]

Link please

[@douglasfeeley5502]

@@silent_torseeker7741 google

[@Gonzalez259]

Needs to be tune

[@RichSheffey]

I'll buy it from you....

[@MrSluby]

Yo does this work with the N52B25 325i?

[@Djseemo1]

yes

[@JoaoOliveira-tc3fi]

Yes bro, i will do mine within 1 or 2 months (waiting for my mecanic gets the time to change it and tune it)

[@proudeagle2554]

its need to be ECU tuning

[@eastpantherbenz]

My N55 is effortless to 100mph. It doesn't have to rev no where near as much as the old M54 in my E46 I had. Turbo's do that lol

[@tredakatko]

Bro you’re scared to drive that thing you did a extra 20 mph in 6 secs I go from 0-60 in less time than that and you should have it in ds mode

[@ramiross03ify]

I purchased a used 3 stage manifold months ago. Looks like I'll be selling it rather than going through the install.

[@businessmindset2976]

ramiross03ify are you selling? Are you in Canada?

[@ramiross03ify]

In the US. Still researching, not sure what I'm going to do.

[@kleun28]

Have one for sale, located in Toronto, ON

[@tk2070]

BRUHHHH why would you record a performance video in D Drive Mode!! And with dsc enabled!! Set the car up right before testing performance haha

[@A92_]

You didnt do the tune 😅

[@colindevine3233]

Put a k & n in the airbox !!!

[@micahdornbusch3555]

Put it in DS

[@SageTwo]

Bruh.. how do you put the 330i manifold in and not tune it to 330i? Tht made no sense, ecu doesn’t kno wat to do with the new manifold also it’s similar to the normal 328i manifold so the car just thinks it’s the normal manifold.. that’s like buying a ps5 for 4k gaming but yu didn’t buy a 4k tv😂😂😂

[@evatheboxer7417]

the sulev 528i has the stage 3 intake manifold??

[@seanthomasrauchert1695]

Disa Disa Disa!

[@clangmile]

Add an intake.

[@cuyunamike]

This video hasn’t aged very well. I get that it’s 3 years old, but his takes after installing are pretty bad . It’s now common knowledge that installing the 3 stage will give you 30-40hp after flashing which is free to do. 😂

[@evatheboxer7417]

the sulev 528i has the stage 3 intake manifold?? or no

[@fastboatster]

First! What's up Nathan?

[@MrAsdfcool]

Its slower without tune

[@owenrutledge7144]

Have fun finding a decent f30 for 6k😅😂

[@ajayjewram9813]

This guy is smoking crack, f30 for 6k is the dumbest shit I heard. Plus he’s bitching about no power but didn’t tune the car😂

[@raiderED]

Better air flow with not very good air exhaust..muffler delete.or exhaust system.....and it's not supposed to go "faster".just take off faster.

[@prestigerepair4246]

lol you need a tune. Thats what missing. For A BMW guy your should already know by now?

[@evatheboxer7417]

the sulev 528i has the stage 3 intake manifold??

[@evatheboxer7417]

or no

[@heinzlam9686]

turn ac off

[@jackdickey6015]

I hear they don't do shit ..waste of time and money ..I own a 325i an best thing to do is cosmetics still a great car to drive

[@JoaoOliveira-tc3fi]

It will do if u make the right tune... the 3sim need to be tuned, otherwise u will get slower changing the intake manifold...

[@jahnielandre6898]

delete this video 😭😂. You’re not getting the DISA to activate without a tune as obviously the car did not come with them from factory.

[@BMWDoctor]

I’m the king of N52 Nathan we both know that bro :)

[@derekmurphy3361]

BMW Doctor if you're the king O challenge you to figure out what the neck is going on with my car!!! Lol you both would have to take a look at this thing... I've got ideas about what's going on and it scares me

[@L-Noble.YT_Hi.Res-Soundminds]

Dean!! Hey man.

[@dantizol159]

Can you do this swap on the N51 as well?

[@RingerRacing]

@@dantizol159 it has it already brah, just needs tune

[@Soravia]

You have an auto! LoL it won't let you apply as much power as you push the pedal!

[@EmpraMcdade]

No he just needs to remap the ecu and tune it so the disa valves can work

[@JoaoOliveira-tc3fi]

And put it on sport mode too to take all the advantage from the car lmao