ENDING The High Polling Rate Debate (shocking)

[@Scoolymatic]

when a Finalmouse, small size, dot skates, 8000hz user gets destroyed by a crusty gpx 1, stock skates 500hz user or maybe a fkin g502 user

[@tyl3rb-fw6ee]

So many of these people don’t want to accept this reality. Lol

[@baileyboys2292]

That’s me small Fm dot skates 8k hz but will have to switch to 4khz possibly

[@Aerobrake]

me literally (G502 user)

[@Soleft]

okay now give that final mouse to the other user lol. My final mouse legit helped me get from imo2 to 3. No going back to a 60g mouse.

[@breakies]

dont forget that the free thinker has 5000hours in koovaks and takes gamer supplements to perform his bist. (he is plat 1 in valo)

[@ViscoseOCE]

Hi! I'm planning on adding to the list of Australians who have made a video about high hz and have been doing some testing for it, and from what I've done so far there is actually a visible difference in averages between 1k and 2k+hz in aimtrainers, and that difference was more noticeable on a 480hz monitor compared to 240hz. I was honestly a bit surprised to see any difference but still need to do more testing to get statistically significant findings in either direction and if those improvements in aimtrainers will mean anything in actual fps games is a completely different discussion haha. It certainly isn't game changing but I don't think 1k vs 2khz can be dismissed as entirely placebo. Another thing I think has gone a little overlooked is that there is a bit of research on the topic, there's a paper born from a twitter argument between a researcher and one of the blurbuster admins which was inconclusive but interesting to read through. What stood out to me was on page 7 there was a chart of temporal jitter sizes (which is how consistent cursor movements will look) for different combinations of polling rates and refresh rates and a 144hz monitor + 1000hz mouse actually sync up pretty well, having the same consistency of motion as 240hz 4khz. Some people are also more sensitive to temporal jitter than others which could explain why some people don't notice any difference while others say it's extremely visible. tldr: polling rate matters more at higher hz, imo 1k is fine for 144hz but I don't see a reason not to use 2k if your mouse supports it, and you don't lose fps bc of it heres the paper for anyone interested! dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3472749.3474783 I disagree with a few of it's findings but it was still an interesting read

[@ivorybenzos]

yaaay my fav youtuber :3

[@forbandyson8921]

thank you for bringing this up, it's nice to have at least something concrete and non anecdotal even if it may be a bit flawed

[@PTNOPOT]

thanks for your input

[@BrotherO4]

there was no visible difference comparing 1k to an 8k pulling rate on a 540hz monitor being recorded in super slow Mo capture at 1000 frames per second. for reference you can see lighting move at 500 frames per second. the difference between 1000 and 8k in terms of MS is just 0.75ms difference. the avg reaction time of a human is 150 to 200ms. the best are around 100- 120 ms. if you can see and feel a difference. you should not only quit your job right now because you will get paid massively to be tested on. you should go ahead and break records that will stand for all time. because you literally surpassed the best of the best of the best by a whole 119.75 in responsive. the whole thing is a placebo effect. that is before i even tell you, the mouse in question arent always pulling at 8k. you would need to be moving the mouse very quick or be using high senn for the mouse to even use 8k all the time.

[@drainstar333]

@@BrotherO4 just say you cant tell the difference and move on bro

[@vsnfudge]

my kids gonna be playing on 32k polling or what

[@IrrationalDelusion]

1ms or 0,012 ms, then 0,00001 stuff… Why…

[@brzt4256]

bro thinks he's gonna have kids

[@AlwaysToxicTank]

Doesn't exist

[@voltex9885]

@vsnfudge dude just called me his kid on 35 000 dpi 😂

[@elojys]

@@brzt4256

[@toquita3d]

I remember Coldzera hitting 30+ kills and being World Champion twice with a 500 Hz Zowie mouse.

[@SlarkCS]

I remember Taz literally winning kato 14 with a microsoft 1900s mouse

[@stefanpapdi5151]

The same year, his teammate Fer was top 3 hltv using 125hz on rival 300. Literally. Not because his mouse had issues but he just liked 125hz more because a game he played before could only use 125 lol

[@notTerabyte]

​@@SlarkCStaz was on an ec1 during kato14 iirc

[@cloud_conductor]

yeah when sk/lg were winning majors they were all on 125hz or 500hz fer had the highest adr in pro league on 125hz lol

[@stefanpapdi5151]

Also those ec2A za12A mice couldnt even get to 1000hz consistently going from 500-750-850 rarely 1000hz so most cs pro zowie users used 500hz since 1000hz wasnt stable…. Lmao..

[@Terra101]

Polling rate is such a small variable. Sensor position is a huge one, but one cares, because you can't put a number on it and sell for a lot of money. Because no one cares, give us sensors with higher numbers, higher DPI, higher polling, higher version numbers. If it's new it's good.

[@boardzy]

Sensor position is very subjective which makes it tough, and like you said not many people or companies care

[@Terra101]

@@boardzy Which makes it even weirder that they are fixed. This very subjective issue, we are just gonna put a fixed random position on every mouse.

[@Terra101]

@@Volsia I think it's because of me, ngl.

[@stefanpapdi5151]

Idk the finemen has horrible sensor latency at 1000hz but at 4000hz it feels like my other mice like gpx2 on 8000 and viper v2 4000

[@Terra101]

@@stefanpapdi5151 Sounds like a faulty mouse.

[@JizzburnGigaqueer]

Trolling Rate

[@richardhunter9779]

Underrated post.

[@angrysocialjusticewarrior]

@@richardhunter9779 Underrated reply.

[@denialz]

@@angrysocialjusticewarrior Underrated kindness.

[@Xaero_ZRX-33]

8000hz 🤏😴... GXSPEED ON 🚬🗿 EGG GODLIKE

[@bizzybapcrodie]

ants gif

[@hexagonsun]

true and true

[@Omarock]

I use 2k as well. Tried the other ones, at 4k (on a 9700k) I start noticing frame drops on cpu bound games that get really high fps like CS. 8k is downright unusable in a lot of games due to lack of support. I don't notice any performance hit on 2k so it seems like the sweet spot for now.

[@RomanMlejnek]

exactly, when I got a new mouse I tried to use 4k but I noticed stutters in KF2, realized what's up and went to 2k and no issues since

[@aquanos]

8khz is mostly unusable yeah but your CPU is ancient so it doesn't surprise me that you can't even use 4khz

[@RomanMlejnek]

@aquanos 5800x3d isn't so ancient

[@angrysocialjusticewarrior]

@@RomanMlejnek That cpu is old bro. Toss it in the trashcan and get a real cpu instead (9800x3d).

[@K1NGJMZ]

Use 2000hz I’m on 8700k and notice no issues

[@saintyoo]

It's sad that anyone can say x is better without showing any testing or proof.

[@chy.0190]

Welcome to fps community. Full of placebo merchants. They have become like how the audiophile community became.

[@aeroecars]

​@@chy.0190Yup. Easiest way to call out their BS on the polling rate debate is to make them do a blind A/B test. 100% of people will not be able to notice the difference between 1K and 2/4/8K in any game. This isn't an exaggeration. You can definitely notice the difference between 1K and 2K on the desktop, but never in game. Anyone who says they can are walking, breathing manifestations of the placebo effect. Companies love grifting those suckers.

[@shapeshifter7676]

and what's your proof that your choice is better?

[@saintyoo]

@shapeshifter7676 what?

[@Toxic-yt8pe]

@@chy.0190 bro just welcome to the internet in general... anyone can say anything without any proof, evidence, or consequences. Always take everything with a grain of salt

[@chy.0190]

Half of them CS pros using 8k and 4k polling rate, are using 400 dpi at the same time lol. So they are not really "gaining anything" from using a higher polling rate (not that it matters much anyway).

[@shapeshifter7676]

They're gaining a ton of prize money from the tournaments. What are you gaining?

[@QuaK3RRR]

why not ? u got lower buttonclick delay so what ?

[@MrPayPay-]

@@shapeshifter7676 you gotta be fucking retarded so say this.

[@lynxcs145]

it feels like more and more are switching to 800 nowadays since donk shat on the scene with 1.25@800

[@Jumbob]

cs pros really dont know anything about tech🤣so many of them swear that 400 dpi is better than 1600dpi but that literally makes no sense, it would be the same to say 60hz is better than 144hz.

[@kesamek8537]

If you can't win at 250Hz or 500Hz you will still lose at 1k, 2k, 4k, 8k. The limiting factor is you.

[@voltex9885]

8k mice are worth using on high end systems due to higher clocks and TSC timer frequency. Sync your components to the same, double, or half frequency for the best results, as 8k polling rate has actual impact only if components are in sync (similar to FPS and monitor refresh rates). To reduce stutters on Ryzen systems: 1 .Enable EHCI Traffic Handling (forces CPU to exit C-states when USB EHCI has traffic). 2. Disable XHCI interrupt moderation. This can save 15-50ms of latency on your usb controller, far more than any mouse upgrade. On modern systems, interrupt moderation thresholds are adjustable, unlike the fixed 1ms on Windows 7 so this one is no brainer.

[@voltex9885]

While we are discussing frequencies, to my knowledge, phones and modems operate at 2400 Hz and 5000 Hz, so the closest polling rates are 2 kHz and 4 kHz. An 8 kHz polling rate is safe for now, but we must remember that higher frequency waves have lower range and are more prone to noise. Shielding your 8 kHz receiver with something like aluminum foil is definitely a good idea.

[@Scheme-]

Bugha won the World Cup in Fortnite with the finalmouse ninja air 58, having a max 500 hz polling rate.

[@jtdripp]

entire peripheral market is built off mid rank players thinking 'on paper' stats will make them pro.

[@laws1n874]

facts

[@scotty_teee4226]

So is any enthusiast group 😂

[@ArimaSenne1]

it works. all the mid rank players are demons in valorant now. its annoying actually but it's good practice. back in the day all you needed to be good was some basic crosshair placement and a microsoft intellimouse or razer deathadder, logitech mx518

[@itsprod.472]

Exactly 😂

[@laws1n874]

@@ArimaSenne1 valurant not bueno

[@especialistaemmira3796]

An important thing I learned after more than a decade studying this stuff is: just because you can feel the difference-the micro-nuances between polling rates or DPI values-doesn't mean it's actually helping you more than placebo. I mean, less input lag is good, but in pratice, the curve of how much you benefit from it drops off hard after even 1k. Curiously, my findings kinda align with the settings most pro players use. Honestly, I feel like the future is more about custom-made shells than hardware improvements when comes to mouses for e-sports.

[@JessicaFEREM]

also depends on the game a lot. some mice lagged my osu out so horribly (20 FPS) that I couldn't play so I was forced to play at a lower Hz. corsair mice are awful for this and I can only assume it gets worse the higher you go.

[@Laszered]

Switched to 500hz because 1k caused an issue in an old shooter I played. Kept it at that and genuinely forgot about it playing various other shooters at a very high level, and on a very good 240hz panel. What I can conclude is that there is absolutely no instance where that polling rate will make you ANY better. Just remember guys, you can schizo about a mouse setting, or you can play the game and actually get better. You will never find the secret setting lmao just get better there is someone out there with a g502 directly on their desk that will smoke you in your favourite game

[@IrrationalDelusion]

I reached top 0,1% score in Kovaak’s task on G502 X :S

[@kesamek8537]

Git gud is the mouse setting of champions.

[@ayda2876]

exactly lmao its all pure cope, Donk uses 1k hz and hes pissing on everyone

[@shinefake48]

in fact, higher polling rate can make you "worse". because higher polling rate means the mouse will replicate your mouse movement better as it updates more frequent. This means those tiny shakes in your mouse movements will also be reflected on screen.

[@electrified0]

It'll potentially cause you to win in scenarios where you genuinely lost by milliseconds, but those occurrences are very infrequent and will not drastically change the percentage of kills you get in either direction. At best it'll help you get a few percentage points better, but do absolutely nothing noticable relative to another player with a remotely noticable gap.

[@Xafia]

1:49 diminishing returns, jump from 500 to 1k is a lot more than 1k to 2k or 2k to 4k. I still personally believe that 2k would probably be the sweet spot though rn 1k is still the most balanced, honestly mouse manufacturers will make high polling rate more efficient on battery in the future anyway.

[@aevidyt]

Exactly this

[@piskooooo]

i'm a 2k truther. it seems like it barely makes a difference in battery life on my ulx too

[@stefanpapdi5151]

@@piskoooooUr ulx has better sensor latency on 1000hz (-0.7ms on techpowerup testing) than 95% of the markets 4000hz implementations so 2000hz on it is great

[@Chromixxxx]

nah 1k to 4k is a major jump stop going in increments thats your issue

[@stefanpapdi5151]

@Xafia also be careful since many 4000hz mice have horrible 1000hz implementations, like more than half of them are very slow on 1000hz

[@motion2597]

1:13 Damn 144hz is the new 60hz 😂

[@shusakudake]

to be fair from 60hz to 144 is the big diff everything after feels like 10% diff but 60 to 144 is like 70% diffrent

[@CR0WYT]

@@shusakudake this. Diminishing returns plays a role and it just varies between person to person. Going from 60hz to 144hz was an eye opener for me. Going into 240hz from 144hz wasn't nearly that impactful. I played at a LAN cafe when I was out of state with a 240hz monitor provided for a few weeks. I was able to go back to 144hz at home just fine. Meanwhile going back to 60hz makes my eyes bleed.

[@2.5stinga]

Lol he gotta be trolling, 480hz with dsc is dogshit. Id rather play 144-240 hz natively at 2k.

[@fnvfanMSPR]

I could already tell he knows nothing about monitors when he thinks 144Hz is the cause of ghosting and screen tearing

[@vansoffthewall222]

​@@fnvfanMSPRMy thoughts exactly 🤣

[@willwunsche6940]

My friend I helped teach Overwatch eventually became a consistent longtime top 500 player and he is only on 1080p120hz screen. I agree with the videos conclusion and will rant about 480hz OLED being amazing and super fun for example but you don't need the best gear to be the best or anything. Just worth keeping in mind

[@tyl3rb-fw6ee]

Selling something advertised as 8khz polling while acknowledging that it may have instability and recommending using a lower polling rate is all I need to know about these companies.

[@HeyNavi]

Has nothing to do with the company, it’s about the games not supporting the high polling rate. Val/ow2 plays 8k very smooth

[@lllhunterlll9644]

People don’t understand the advancement and cost of tech. 4K TV were over $20K when they came out. You can now buy a smart 4K at Walmart for like $300. The tech in the $250 Razer and Asus extreme mice will be standard in $50-$75 mice in a couple years. But you always ALWAYS have to have a top of the line leading edge tech product to push it forward.

[@noahh698]

I really dont understand your narrative, the fact that 50% of cs pros still use 1000hz just further proves that polling rate barely matters? These guys are so unbelievable competitive and theres so much at stake, if there was and actual noticeable advantage to using 2k polling then they would all be using it. I genuinely cant tell if this video is satire or not in struggling man😂

[@goochipoochie]

Cs officially supports aimbotting so mouse discussion is irrelevant

[@tezzi7649]

First part is true, but the part about if there was a noticeable advantage they would switch isn't true. lots of csgo pros refuse to use any dpi higher than 400 even though it is undesputable that 1600 is advantageous, although again, it isn't insanely game changing just like hz

[@omegaPhix]

​@@goochipoochie You are delulu

[@Frozoken]

No pros are notoriously slow in adopting new things

[@churtchG]

LINK TO THE POLL?

[@lucaschenJC]

5800x3d+4070 super+240hz monitor here, currently rocking 4k/8k with 0 issues. Those high polling rates do add additional smoothness in gun flicking scenarios

[@cream_mc132]

mac mini (2012) + 60hz monitor here, currently rocking 1k with 0 issues. my mouse cant go higher than 1k.

[@evmadic]

This! Flicking is when you notice the higher polling rate the most. Not sure if there is an aim labs scenario that trains this but if there was, you'd see a lot more players favoring higher polling rates to achieve the highest scores

[@FriendNotFoeBand]

​@evmadic also agreed. I noticed it with my wingman accuracy. I was able to track strafe better on 8k over everything else. Although the extra polling does bring out more tiny mistakes under pressure for me.

[@athan1281]

Same setup but 4070 super and 280hz. I was a nonbeliever until i turned 4k on on a whim. Felt the difference on 800dpi.

[@max10hoop]

​@@cream_mc132 based

[@ying2837]

Electrifying

[@nawfyy]

truly

[@ben9262]

Any polling rate above 2k causes stuttering issues for me in most games

[@nakki889]

There is a video already made about this. You cannot physically detect differences after 1-2k polling rate. This is like saying "if the atoms of your skin would have been in correct position, you would have hit that shot".

[@CR0WYT]

Back in 2023, ScreaM was dunking on pro players with an old Finalmouse Ergo running at 500hz.

[@DreamingPhenom]

Got the OP1 8K last week and absolutely notice the difference between 1k and 8k hz, feels snappier on initial movement and hard stop

[@VoltaReviews]

Hey, that’s me at the start under your Tweet, truly shocking indeed 😮 2k all the way 🔥

[@MrGiggles2196]

50+% of the CS Pros using 2k or higher polling, and not a single one of them is using a DPI high enough to saturate those polling rates lol.

[@free_microwave]

400 dpi still benefits. doesnt saturate as fully but still benefits from going over 1k

[@EZEQUIEL2007.]

​@@free_microwave Facts.

[@defiantzzz]

EHHHHHHHHHH WRONG, sh1ro Niko Twist JL EliGE are 5 off the top of my head lol.

[@Frozoken]

I mean for one the click latency always benefits. 2. someone on 2k at 800dpi is not gonna be getting 0 benefit

[@maxzoRHD]

Open up a pooling rate test, move your mouse around , let me know what numbers you see . Most of the time mouse is working well bellow 1000 .

[@stefanpapdi5151]

zowie used to not even go to much above 500hz much less 1000hz on their A-series and most pros used 500hz for stability…

[@maxzoRHD]

@stefanpapdi5151 Yeah i mean if you were to move it around like you are playing ( Cs ) in my case, numbers are avg like 500 as you said , or even lower . Its only on constant moving in circles you can hit 1k or higer . And again as you mentioned keyword "stability" no1 wants to think about possible issues, expecialy in some scenarios like tournaments or any competitive game . By that logic, its simply not worth to experiment with, for such small difference . If a high end gear doesnt give you skill, nor will 1ms difference in latency . Its all about being consistent, in competitive gameplay .

[@defiantzzz]

Average 4000.074 hz Median: 4001.601 hz 1 Percentile: 3660.322 hz

[@cyberfunk3793]

Only way to really know the truth is do some randomised blinded trial where people are given the different poling rates in series without them knowing which one is which and then someone records if they notice the difference. Like 15min per random rate and after each timespan the person has to guess which rate it was.

[@S4SK__1]

i was using 8k no problem on my 13900ks and 14900kf but after i switched to amd with the 9950x i had INSANE stuttering when moving the mouse, but sadly i didn't understand that it is caused by the 8k polling so i got myself a 9800x3d insanely overpriced and it was still skipping, after multiple games and multiple days of troubleshooting i found that the 8000hz polling was the problem. 8k is fucking insanely smooth but it just wont work on this rig

[@boardzy]

I haven't had an intel cpu in a long time, but AMD is known to require more tweaking generally for high polling rates

[@Venus1k00]

At least you have the best gaming cpu in your hands

[@TheHandHistoryVault]

Did you overclock your DRAM? If so, what to? I had the same problem using 8K on my 5950x. I had my memory out of sync, overclocked to 3800. Once I brought it down to 3600 1 to 1. The stuttering stop. Imo, AMD has a problem with overclock memory.

[@QuaK3RRR]

fix ur bios...

[@QuaK3RRR]

@@TheHandHistoryVault 5600x 8k in cs2 and valorant ZERO Problems!!!!

[@hinchlikescake7592]

I play on a 240hz OLED and I just stick to 2K as well with 3200DPI. Don't notice that much (if any) difference any higher than that. Other than the battery life draining much faster. 1k is perfectly servicable though.

[@heatnup]

Polling rate is tied to DPI. The higher your DPI the slower you have to move your mouse to saturate the polling rate.

[@ultra_01]

so basically: is higher polling rate objectively better? yes do you need high polling rates to be good? no is upgrading peripherals/increasing polling rate to push skill ceiling worth it? yes will upgrading peripherals/increasing polling rates make you a pro? no is upgrading peripherals/increasing polling rates useful? only for good enough setups/games that can run it smoothly is upgrading peripherals/increasing polling rates affordable? yes therefore: higher polling rates is worth it

[@JessicaFEREM]

CS2 players need to realize that 400DPI is a crap way to play the game

[@shapeshifter7676]

When was the last time you won a CS major?

[@stevens195_]

it only matters if you have a high polling rate mouse (as seen in the optimum video) you only benefit from playing at 800 dpi or 1600 dpi when your mouse is at 2k or 4k HZ otherwise its better to play at 400dpi on 1k HZ because of pixel skipping

[@ctzn1337]

you need to realize that they became pros on CS using 400dpi

[@zabi1185]

say that to s1mple or zywoo who is on 400dpi 1khz.

[@Mrpremium9870]

What if we’re using OP1 8K purple frost which is stuck at 8khz pull rate and it’s the most responsive and accurate and lowest latency and fastest click response time mouse on market?

[@boardzy]

Its not stuck at 8k polling what? If you have a good system+monitor it will feel great though

[@chy.0190]

Its not stuck at 8K. And the benefits of that mouse are the same at 1k, its not like other mice.

[@merrickx]

in my mind 4k+ refresh rates are taxing the CPU to the degree that the returns are negated and now some sort of negative is introduced. There's no basis for this though, I just choose to think it

[@RJ-pb1qx]

The only viable ending for the 8k polling rate ‘debate’ is to say that it’s a gimmick, useless, no one can use it, no one needs it, and everyone knows it and it make makes mice more expensive that they should be.

[@VitaminSea13]

I will never use anything above 2k polling until windows fixes the issue with dragging windows to my second monitor. The border of my monitor should not act as a solid wall.

[@yvelmence7661]

might be the most fire thumbnail yet

[@vlados4449]

I have a QHD 144Hz monitor it makes no sense for me to use an 8000Hz mouse? Help

[@UpgradeLemonade]

having just got a 400hz monitor with dyac. I started to notice 2k/4k over 1k on windows... you can pinpoint the cursor smoothness and less spacing in trails, more defined. Idk how much that will translate in game. or will the new monitor be the thing to give credit to more. That said 8k vs 4k or 2k is not something I could really see any gain with.

[@MorrTex]

Thxx Pollfessor Boardzy 🙏

[@tolosonberg]

35000 dpi 8k pollinng rate with pointer speed all the way down and it feels like 800 dpi. Absolutely amazing

[@CRAiCED.]

1000 is the old reliable and the standard, 2000 is the chad, 4000 is for ego and 8000 is for the delusional

[@radofenix]

Dude, I have a 480Hz OLED monitor and a Viper V3 Pro. I keep the polling rate at 1k because I haven’t noticed any difference, but I’ll leave it at 2k.

[@yxzzy300]

The only noticeable difference between 1k hz and 8k hz on my super light 2 is how fast the battery drains

[@StaySic4Ever]

Thing is once increasing monitor refresh rate you want to increase mouse polling rate, to be number of times higher. We're finally getting monitors with clarity we had with good CRT monitors, be it strobed LCD or now finally OLED yey. So eventually 1000Hz OLED will come, then 8000Hz polling rate will make much more sense along with like 3200CPI that will be fun.

[@defi71zh]

my pc struggles to even hit 165 fps personally on any of my games but i feel like people tend to go too extreme with their opinions. if i had the money and the setup, i would for sure try 2k, 4k, and 8k. i imagine for me (as an average or slightly above average gamer) its not gonna increase my skill at the game but i'd love to try it imo at the end of the day if gaming is your hobby and you're working, have a bit of extra funds and want to gift yourself, why not try something new y'know. no need to have your head explode about min maxing

[@KamiKomplex504]

Bro never mind the 8k thing ... That monitor is insane, they really making these now? Man we've come a long ways.

[@iqflash755]

Hey Boardzy! Hope you see this as well as some fellow viewers. I have been thinking about buying a new mouse recently. The first mouse I bought was the s2, and I loved its shape but it was heavy and wired. I then got the glorious model o minus. I hated it. I dont even know why I decided to cope with it for a year. Now I am thinking of getting a new mouse with a higher budget. The main mouse I have been thinking of buying is the s2dw. But it is $140 for what looks like the same build quality? Is it worth it? Is the Helios 2 pro just as good? Or better? I also thought about the U2 but have never used such a heavy hump. Also thought about op1we but heard it has some very heavy clicks. I prefer a claw grip that can change into relaxed during scenarios when needed. My hand size is 17x8.5 but it will probably grow to 18x9. Thanks!

[@xblur17]

3200 dpi is the only way to fully saturate even 2000Hz. For 4000Hz you really need 3200 dpi minimum to saturate it the majority of the time with normal movements. Also 360hz+ is basically a must like you said. Most people don't understand that.

[@Fatalvasectomy]

The only difference i feel is when i switch from 1k to 2k polling the 2k polling makes my sens a tad bit faster. Is this just me??

[@feeblemind]

I find in testing normally a person will only saturate like 70% of their max polling rate with normal mouse movement in games. So at 4k hz I saturate like 2500-3500 on average. With 8k that goes up to about 5k average. I've never actually ever hit 8k limit or even gone past 5.7k peak in terms of my inputs. So yes 8k is in fact a placebo max should probably be around 6k hz but even then only fast paced games like fortnite or overwatch/marvel rivals or maybe cod would hit anywhere near that in general usage.

[@sheeperleaper]

I got an attack shark x3 was that a good idea or no? My mom only buys from walmart anf amazon

[@boardzy]

Not the best but not bad for the price

[@Presnce]

Shoutout mom

[@weirdodude1173]

I use 2000Hz polling on a wired Death Adder V3. It seems good to me. The main reason I don't use 8K is because it seems like kind of a waste with increased CPU use. Thumbs up!

[@BohmanderTCG]

high polling rate feels slower for me somehow... im fine with 500-1000

[@jiehu1337]

no need to hype this up, donk use 1000hz, get top1 this year, zywoo switches to 4k this year, doesn't make him better, monesy using 2k from 1k, still top 3.

[@lorens9092]

On kovaak's i do more frag on 4k, 8k ... and on 1k i do less .. i do the test some days and same result,but I found that playing on a 360 hertz with 4k/8k makes my game (cs2) more smoother than 1k .. it s placebo ?

[@lavenderlolxd]

ENDING The Boardzy Baby Oil Debate (shocking)

[@nbshftr]

2k polling should be the new standard. 1k is a little outdated and 4k has weird performance impact

[@tunglinhvu3730]

How do you guys feel about keyboard having 8k polling rate?

[@Kryptix0III]

I just shocked all over the screen

[@spyder256]

I just got a Mchose A7 Ultra, using it at 4K Hz, and I can clearly see and feel the difference vs my old GPX Superlight and clearly aim better. Call me schizo or whatever but I'm confident that if these 2 mice felt exactly the same I could identify them in a blind test. Gameplay while using the Mchose looks and feels so much smoother.

[@ChazMcClure]

I think saying to use 500hz for battery life is a bit silly. As most people know due to refresh rate on montiors, there is not a linear latency reduction in relation to frequency adjustment. So in English, going from a 60hz to 120hz is a much larger latency reduction than going from something like 120hz to 240hz. The same applies to polling rates on a mouse. The difference in latency is much larger between 500hz to 1000hz than the difference in latency between 1000-2000hz. This is despite the actual frequency jump being larger. I use 2000hz myself but tbh I just use it because my mouse can, not because i notice a difference. 1000hz is more than enough for 99% of people the only reason pros on CS2 use 2000hz or above is because they play professionally, so of course they’d take the lower latency no matter battery impact. They would take that trade even if it meant only a 0.001 percent gain in shots hit. They play for money these small differences could in theory make a difference in 1/10000 situations so why not use it? As for absolutely everyone else they orta use 1k. It’s easy, lasts forever, cheaper, and it’s easy to do well with it. I don’t play competitive anymore but when I did I hit immo on Val with a 1k mouse. It’s kinda a waste in money imo unless you’re a top competitor and have the setup to actually be able to see the difference.

[@Gungrave123]

Zoomergroid brain. Higher number = better tech.

[@shinefake48]

To be honest, more companies should implement 8k clicks just like endgame gear is doing(EGG claimed that their kalih gx switches are always at 8k with gx speed mode turn on, regardless of what the mouse polling rate is) since not much ppl gonna use 4K and above anyway, might as well add a independent switch polling rate option to use high polling on the clicks

[@bug-qe1jz]

thank you i can now sleep well at night

[@sergrojGrayFace]

Copying settings of CS pros is almost the dumbest thing possible. Using pros settings to justify something is the dumbest.

[@SDRaygon]

I love when "I am not a pro" becomes an excuse to be ignorant and intentionally not being optimal

[@countercorps]

I really need a guide on USB optimized placement. I have tried to use USB Tree and it just isnt clear cut for me.

[@Donbino]

can someone explain why i should disable c states on my 9800x3d

[@adnope]

1:48 I have to disagree at this part, 500hz to 1000hz is a big jump and even a non tryharding person like me can see the difference, but 1khz to 8khz doesn't give me that same impression, it doesn't even feel different at all tbh

[@boardzy]

You’re just going with the grain. Calling 500 to 1k a big jump yet thinking improvements stop there is laughable

[@adnope]

@@boardzy the higher the polling rate is, the less you can feel the difference, if you really think 1k+ polling rate is that important, try to do a blind test to see if you can distinguish the polling rates consistently. Personally I value the 8k on my mouse because I know it reduced a bit of latency for me, but using 1k is just fine and won't hinder my performance

[@boardzy]

@@adnope You said you aren't a tryhard and I doubt you have a great monitor. So it doesn't really matter for you, I would pass a blind test and people would say I cheated, no point. Nobody ever said 1k is bad

[@KaleTornado]

Problem with your twitter poll is that you're polling a large group of people, presumably, who do not have access to use anything higher than 1k

[@oaktre3]

whats the website / app to check what polling rate your mouse is hitting?

[@Creesl]

im really super suprised people actually see the difference between the polling rates i played on 4k for like 3 monhts and battery life sucked ass on my ulx switched to 1k still cant see a difference maybe im not good enough 360hz zowie monitor

[@Rocket33r]

500 Hz is totally usable, but it usually doesn't make sense to lower to 500 Hz, because performance and battery life is good on 1000 Hz. The thing about 2000Hz is that it's not universally supported, meaning that not every mouse can do it out of the box, but every mouse can do 1000Hz. Also, a lot of people will also be on mice that can't even go up to 2000Hz, like the GPX 1.

[@boardzy]

Yeah all true, my point is that if you have access to 2k and it runs fine, it makes sense to use it over 1k for the same reasons you use 1k instead of 500hz

[@Rocket33r]

@@boardzy Yeah, I think I agree with that.

[@laws1n874]

@@boardzy i bought the sword x, and i prefer to use it with 1k+ highspeed mode, it feels better imo

[@jefflum4040]

I’m using 2k Hz. I don’t personally feel that big of a difference between 2k and 1k but it doesn’t really affect the battery life that much so I’ll probably just stick to that until I upgrade my 240hz monitor

[@dlo3607]

whats the number for "waaaaay more latency than your opponents" at 1k vs 2 4 or 8k? how much more? 🤨

[@boardzy]

If you couldn’t understand that was a joke ur ngmi

[@dlo3607]

@@boardzy i always trust a man with a pie chart, so it doesn't matter then Dr? 🥸

[@dlo3607]

@@boardzy I always trust a man talking over a pie chart. so it doesn't matter then? shocking stuff TY Dr. 🥸🎄

[@3xplosiv0]

my main mice are battery-swapped to a 150mah so 1k for battery life but i also play on the same monitor as you (ow / rivals / valorant) and genuinely think the difference between 1k / 4k is just not really that big of a deal (mainly use ulx)

[@bzdk.]

i cant understand players that has no goal for e sport or smthn else but they are going crazy for 4k-8k hz polling rates. guys wtf are u gonna do with 8khz if u are playing games for fun? u are paying extra dollars for nothing trust me. i have Endgame Gear Op1 8k and i want to be a professional valorant player one day. im using 2khz polling rate. and if u say me ''go play 1khz'' i can do it. its not a big deal for me. ''even'' for person who wants to be a e sport player its not a big difference. look at yourself guys. first think, and then buy.

[@Unavenged]

I am on a DA V3 Pro at 1k (feels the best to me) and 1600 DPI. Mainly play COD, have an Asus 27" 240hz OLED monitor, 5800X, 32 gigs of ram and a 3080 all OC'ed to the max. 2K feels a little off and taxes the system a little more than I need. I seem to actually play better at 1k.

[@NoName-st6zc]

This video left me confused. I'm playing on a WMO @ 500hz combined with a 60hz flatscreen. Am i missing out on something here?

[@wesleyhanekamp6403]

i use 8k on the superlight 2.. why? because i can. is it placebo? i think so, but it works for me

[@patrikkorda]

Really not sure why people overcomplicate this. I don't use 8K because it isn't stable yet. I get stuttering in a number of games/programs. One day, 8K will be stable. One day, even 16K+ will be stable. When it is, I'll gladly use it.

[@hainguyen-z1z6k]

8k polling rate feel like a marketing scam, i can't feel the difference between 8k and 1k except 8k drains the battery like hell, my mouse is atk z1u, 240hz monitor, seems like 2k is a sweet spot for me

[@boardzy]

ATK 8k isnt really well implemented, I use 2k with their mice

[@j1mmyegg]

Ok so I don’t have to change my dpi and polling rate. Perfect

[@Falcon.719]

i use 4k on 240hz monitor for fortnite is that good? or do i go to 2k??

[@doomsmith]

Yeah I am using a hub because I work from home and switch between devices while working. I was wondering why the polling tester sites were capping off and was so confused for a bit before I realized the reason. But thankfully it goes up to 2.5k still so, that's not the worst. I need to get a better one though so I can actually test 8k and keep my setup.

[@Kevin_silvaaguiar]

The G Pro Superlight 1 has a 1k polling rate and is the most used mouse by professionals with an absurd reaction time. The 8k polling rate has already been proven to be marketing to sell products. 8k polling rate = 0.125ms 1k Polling rate = 1ms The fastest human movement, which is blinking an eye, takes more than 100ms, so thinking that you will play better or notice a difference from 1ms to 0.125ms is almost a joke 😅

[@Cinnamon_47]

8k is better than 1k even though you can’t feel the difference. Just use the 8k polling rate if it doesn’t affect your game. 8k is available almost in new mice nowadays.

[@anathar13]

6:00 set a high dpi and then use rawaccel and set the sens multiplier to match the dpi before, for example I use 800 dpi, I put 8000 and the use 0.1 as sens multiplier in rawaccel, then you get 800 dpi Edit: with this you saturate the mouse pulling rate at 8k

[@Soleft]

it's the same thing, I literally asked the creator.

[@zpariah]

as a 165 hz user, i really never understood anything more, theres barely a noticable difference. tho granted when i did try 240 it was at a store and i was just moving the mouse on the desktop, so maybe it benefits in game more than i realize?

[@boardzy]

Nobody has ever swapped from 165hz to 360hz+ and gone back. It is a night and day difference

[@zpariah]

@ oh alright, maybe when I get a new pc I’ll pick up a 240, got any recommendations around $175?

[@MayankJairaj]

My setup: Wired Mouse at 2k for normal usage, switches to 8k in game OLED monitor 120hz No USB hub straight to usb port blue one's can do an Amp so i use that.

[@tallon-pro]

Link to the infographic?

[@otaviosakay3133]

thanks Boardzy, great pointers

[@PaneledPear]

Why are CS pros using higher polling rates at 400-800 DPI?

[@ninablu]

sponsored, most CS Teams have a mouse sponsor and the don't necessarily choose which mouse to use.

[@stefanpapdi5151]

the op1 8k and fineman i have both reach 4000hz instantly and stay there even at 800dpi

[@kayo29232]

@@ninablu ? lol

[@saenstopie]

Yea, doesn't make sense, the cs pros argument is not really a factor in the discussion, they're taking placebo pills just for the fun of it(if there is any fun at all in taking pills)...

[@chy.0190]

@@ninablu prosettings confirmed that MOST CS and Valorant pros are not forced to use a particular mice or from one manufacturer, even if they are sponsored. There is a minority that do have to.