Bob Dutko and Aron Ra: Debate

[@dannyt2892]

Bob dude is ignorant af

[@justinsmith623]

Bob is a pro at cutting people off and being disrespectful. He also seems to be a rather proficient liar. If that’s what being a Christian is like, we don’t need a single one if them.

[@kamdelmonte7349]

Come on man, the Christian clearly won this debate😂

[@jameswest8280]

@@kamdelmonte7349 oh for Christ's sake.

[@woodysdrums8083]

hey Bob, go back to selling cars.

[@Tyrannimarja]

He really shouldn’t. He would hoodwink his clients there too.

[@patriklindholm7576]

Dod Butko had nothing. Yet again.

[@kamdelmonte7349]

Are you kidding me?🤣I thought atheist really were scientific now i think they’re just being emotional.

[@kamdelmonte7349]

Dutko won this debate easily.

[@fopish]

Claiming your position is within the laws of physics because your god can break the laws of physics must be the most dishonest argument I've heard in a long time. The god position isn't plausible at all until you can show a god to be plausible, show something to be outside of our universe that can interact and create and break out universe. What we can see so far is that our universe is expanding from something so dense and how that the laws of physics break down. What happened before that we don't know and to claim that god did it is a step beyond what you can justify.

[@frosty_soda]

What is the definition of supernatural? Go and look. Come back and paste it here.

[@davidwatson2399]

@@frosty_soda Gather evidence for the existence of anything "supernatural" and come back and paste it here.

[@MelinaHristova]

Its very reasonable to believe in talking animals and imaginary friend created everything from nothing , jeez - these theists are so annoying

[@oldgordo61]

What is more plausible Melina? A universe that came into existence by design or a universe that came into being by chance? If you think niether then by what other means?

[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

@@oldgordo61 Second, because there is no empirical evidence of this designer.

[@oldgordo61]

@@juanjoyaborja.3054 No evidence that all that exists came from nothing. Nor is possible for something to come from nothing.

[@jimp5133]

You believe humans are talking animals.

[@frosty_soda]

You believe animals are talking animals and nothing creates things.

[@wyett123]

Bob's a dishonest interlocutor.

[@musicauthority7828]

The burden of proof is equal. Mr. Dutko's claim that his faith based belief is backed up by physics. and that something can come from nothing is invalid. if he claims this is the case that something can't come nothing. this holds true for his so called God. this guy completely proves himself wrong.

[@SusanaBergen-wo9lu]

His "so called God" is the One who created the universe, the One who created you, you should be thanking Him for giving you life, not trying to turn others away from God, I'll be praying for you, unless you do not want me to

[@Your_Daily_Scroll]

Thats a crazy argument and you know it. God is eternal He was not created. He has no beginning He has no end. God didnt come from “nothing”

[@jessiec4768]

@@Your_Daily_Scrollthe other side can easily argue “universe was not created, it has no beginning or no end. It didn’t come from nothing” the whole convo is a crazy argument to even argue and YOU know it lol

[@Your_Daily_Scroll]

@@jessiec4768 if thats the case then God is real….

[@gowdsake7103]

But but but muh special pleading

[@davidwatson2399]

Bob You are overbearing, browbeating, preaching for your congregation. Provide evidence for your god of the gaps, not just assertions. Be honest, you don't actually know where it all came from either, but you insert your god of the gaps.

[@eugenecoleman8525]

20 minutes of Bob completely missing the point

[@patrickosmium733]

He was definitely one of the weaker apologists on youtube. Completely science illiterate.

[@kamdelmonte7349]

What point did he miss??? Aron ra was asked a very specific question and he failed to answer. Your athiest hero got destroyed. Cry all you want.

[@JohnnyRotten-n5u]

​@@patrickosmium733 You have 0 science to support your ape fairy evo religion. Sorry bud.

[@miguelquintana8076]

​@@kamdelmonte7349God belief is an assertion, there literally no evidence. Probability is evidence based. No evidence for a God, even less for a Christian one.

[@kamdelmonte7349]

@@miguelquintana8076 good for you

[@onlyme972]

Bob so desperate he won't let Aron talk

[@RonAlexander-sr5hp]

I can’t believe you have the patience to deal with there’s apologist morons that are totally disengenuous

[@RonAlexander-sr5hp]

This guy has one argument. We don’t know how this all started therefore god

[@RonAlexander-sr5hp]

Lame

[@RonAlexander-sr5hp]

I want to puke

[@kamdelmonte7349]

@@RonAlexander-sr5hp it’s not really necessary to ask more questions if you atheists can’t answer that one question.

[@shaunsmith7651]

Creation itself is testament for the existence of God. It is actually as simple as that, man tries to over think and over complicate everything,

[@punchline43]

Maybe that's why man came up with religions in the first place. Even if it's hard to disprove the existence of a creator, people will tend to cling to the stories they've been told from an early age anyway. Still leaves a ton of unanswered questions. Love your name btw :-)

[@pup1008]

The guy thinks god & science are on an equal footing? 😂 The bible has a *TERRIBLE* track record of being wrong - *Flat Earths covered by a crystal dome? The Earth being the centre of the universe? The moon having its own light source? Billions of years out with the actual age of the planet? Totally wrong on the ascent of life on this planet? Whales that are "fish" & bats that are "birds?"* 😂

[@notevolution444]

Aron - "I don't know, I just know God wasn't involved"

[@punchline43]

Time stamp?

[@cul8cil24]

There is not a time stamp^ Cause he lied.. aron didnt say anything like that

[@jlankford]

In other words, I don’t know, I just know a magic spaghetti monster wasn’t involved.

[@frosty_soda]

@@jlankford I know magic spaghetti monster wasn't involved. But God definitely was.

[@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol236]

@@frosty_soda you’re right about God being involved. But it would be cool if there was a spaghetti monster , he sounds tasty.

[@miguelquintana8076]

Bob mistated his position and was wholly dishonest about it.

[@Cre8tvMG]

Whenever someone calls God ‘a magical entity’ you know they are stuck in strawman theology. They are substituting a derisive diminution of what classical theists believe about God. In short, Aron is making up a position for Christians they don’t hold, and he’s either dishonest or delusional to persist in that accusation.

[@shaunsmith7651]

Alex Meyer Do you believe it would be magic? Or could it be eons ( to us) of careful thought from a mind so unlike our mere nuts and bolts, that figured out what had to be done to cause all things to happen, so precisely, just to enable our pitiful existence.

[@WeirdWonderful]

How ? Dutko literally said his position is correct cause God can defy the laws of Physics, pretty sure that counts.

[@Cre8tvMG]

@@WeirdWonderful you defy the laws of physics all day long. You can cause a fork to hover over a plate. It is unnatural for forks to hover over a plate. But it hovers because you apply a greater force to it than gravity. Overriding the laws of physics isn’t as unusual as you think. You have a thought in your mind, and make a choice-a non physical thing-and then by your will you exert force in the universe to change the course of events for objects. But God just has a more direct method of applying force to accomplish his will. You have a convoluted arrangement of muscles and nerves. He can have direct control. We call it magic when humans attempt direct control of physical objects by will. It is unnatural for us. But I can’t see how it could be unnatural for the being who thought of a universe and it appeared by direct force, to then move a few measly molecules by direct force. For him it would be the natural, not unnatural, method. What was unnatural was the incarnation, when he became man to live inside the universe.

[@Bomtombadi1]

@@Cre8tvMG that has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read … lifting a fork defies physics? You do realize that force within the realm of physics, right? How about you let go of that fork and see where it goes? I’ve honestly never read anything so stupid.

[@Cre8tvMG]

12:23 AR “wrong, wrong.” BD “show me where I’m wrong” AR “wrong” This is Aron’s usual argument style: just call someone wrong and ignore the logic they presented and never engage on the merits. It’s commonly known as bluster. His whole statement after this exchange avoids the question.

[@David34981]

He is wrong because the facts of reality contradict his assertions. You cannot always put out the fires of misinformation at the same rate they are lit. But that does not mean that the actual truth because something other than what it is.

[@sparkyy0007]

We just found Aron Ra's Achilles heel...... science.

[@YoungEarthCreation]

sparkyy0007 yeah Aron wants to believe in things like cladiograms and taxonomy which prove absolutely nothing. All he can do is argue those

[@NephilimFree]

He has two Achilles heels. The other is reality.

[@jonathanrussell1140]

Dutko is King... Of the men of straw.

[@gatolf2]

Bob: science just doesn’t allow something from nothing. Aaron: I don’t believe things…

[@brandonmacey964]

LOL that is pretty much how it goes here, kudos to the professional Bob Dutko

[@Bomtombadi1]

@@brandonmacey964 dutko is a professional narcissist.

[@c-qpo]

@@Bomtombadi1 lol whaaat!? Do you even know what narcissist means??someone saying God is worth praise and worship cannot be a narcissist…a narcissist would be the person saying people are the Gods and we are the most powerful and intelligent beings that’s a self lover..not the person being humble and looking up to a higher Being….smh people learn a new word and abuse it

[@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol236]

@@Bomtombadi1 Aron ra is a professional , arrogant narcissist.

[@Bomtombadi1]

@@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol236 nah, he’s actually a nice guy. He just doesn’t have patience for creationist stupidity.

[@dougreformed8956]

"Laurence Kraus understands nothing"

[@rooferonhigh7124]

Just saw your comment. Hilarious

[@oldgordo61]

And yet believes nothing can create something.

[@jasminedavid2756]

😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@commonerknight8894]

Hahaha this is how misconceptions are formed 😂

[@alexnik1181]

​@@oldgordo61Not really. You need to listen to what he actually says.

[@cocoawarrior8912]

He just keeps railroading the conversation like a dickhead. Aron was brought outside his field and never got a chance to really talk.

[@CptBerns]

The first law of thermodynamics says that matter and energy can't be created. Taking that into account we rewrite the Calam this way: 1. Everything that has a beginning is a re-arrangement of existing matter and/or energy. 2. The re-arrangement of matter and/or energy always has a natural cause. 3. The universe had a beginning that we call the big bang. Conclusion: the big bang was a re-arrangement of matter and/or energy and it had a natural cause! No need for supernatural beings that can violate the laws of physics. If god can do the impossible, like parting the sea for Moses' Jews. Why couldn't he open the gates of Auswitz for the Jews? If he can make the universe pop into existance from nothing, then why can't he pop food into existance for the hungry? It amazes me that in 2024 there are still people who believe that sh*t. Grow up, there is no santa, there is no god!

[@jonathanrussell1140]

God can't figure out the things that man has made. God can't make buildings, trains, locks, keys, even though he's omniscient and omnipotent.

[@dpg227]

Why does Bob think that a supernatural being coming into existence out of nothing is more plausible than the universe coming into existence out of nothing?

[@dougreformed8956]

Because everything cannot come from nothing - science.

[@lizzard13666]

He doesn't. Nobody thinks God came into existence.

[@dpg227]

@@lizzard13666 If God could have always existed why couldn't the universe have always existed?

[@dpg227]

@@dougreformed8956 If everything cannot come from nothing, how can God come from nothing?

[@dougreformed8956]

@@dpg227 what makes you think God came from anything? tell me how matter can exist when it didn't exist before without a miracle

[@WeirdWonderful]

"You're trying to wiggle out of defending the position you repeatedly told me you don't believe in" would also be a fair review of Dutko's line of questioning.

[@dariusnoname12]

Just look at comments. Fools. 1st. You can't have god scenario without any special pleading. 2nd. Something from nothing is not the only explanations that have support from current evidence 3rd. Again we have evidence supporting natural explanation while nothing to support supernatural 4th. We have no way of determining creation because we would have nothing to compare to in gods scenario. 5th. From other videos Aron Ra stance is that there was always something and given that he himself said that bob is talking to a wrong person about this topic shows that bob is dishonest in this debate. 6th. Lastly faith needed for universe existence. That is wrong. we can check evidence and come to conclusions based on evidence. That is why we have multiple hypothesis about begining of universe. None of them include god. Based on Bob's standard of evidence, every claim would be based on evidence. That is why his standard is wrong. And lastly default stance is of not believing in things unless provided evidence to support it. That applies everywhere. So Bob argued stance that Aron Ra doesn't really support, his arguments are wrong. Because of that Aron Ra can't be a winner in tgis debate,he just defended his position, while Bob clearly lost, assuming things, no evidence to support his claims.

[@oldgordo61]

The fool says there is no God. Hypotheses and theories are all good and fine but they cannot be tested empiracally same for God. And physics break down prior to the Planck Time the earliest period where anything like Time and Physics have any meaning. If the Universe has a beginning then it must have a Cause and physics is just not able to able to explain what that Cause is. So a super intelligence that can exist outside Time and Space is just as plausible.

[@dariusnoname12]

@@oldgordo61 I'll start by saying that no one knows if there is or isn't any god (I am talking about deistic one) To our knowledge time and space are not some magical powers, they are properties of reality. You can't have time without having a matter/energy to change. While with space it is harder as we never observed empty space. So claiming that something is outside of it is dishonest when you don't try to understand what you are talking about and that it would be logically impossible (in this case, due to time) About the cause. That would be obvious, but like I said before, there are many hypothesis. For example big bounce hypothesis being true would mean that there is no beginning to universe. Matter from energy has eternal quantum field as a starter for universe which also doesn't deal with overall beginning. And there are more. But just those 2 are enough for us to see that god isn't needed. Due to planck time physics don't break down, they don't stop working, but due to our capabilities we just can't measure as majority of universe would be nearly in one dot.

[@oldgordo61]

@@dariusnoname12 When scientists try to go further back before Plank Time they find that physics lose all meaning. They believe all forces of nature including gravity are unified and gravity separates just after that. But our minds as amazing as human intelligence is limited and we probably understand less than a percentage of reality itself. As for Space itself it actually has properties. It is also connected with Time. The closest analogy to describe space is liken to a fabric that stretches and warps the more mass an object especially a supermassive lack hole distorts the area around it. But even very small masses such as ourselves can affect the spacetime fabric as we move about but the effects are too tiny to be detected by instraments. Black Holes colliding creating gravity waves which are literally ripples of spacetime like a shock wave after a bomb goes off have been recently detected. As for the quantum field scientists don't understand quantum mechanics enough to say for any certainty that quantum fields even work let alone to say they have always existed. Even if they did that doesn't prove that a super intellegence isn't needed. Even among the most skeptical of scientists when it comes to God or Intelligent Designer concede the Universe and the forces of nature that keep it going reality is behaving as if it is being guided by something. Another powerful evidence for Inteligent Design is DNA itself the very blueprint for life itself. How did the code of life which is far more complex than anything designed by humans put itself together by mindless unguided natural processes? Order and structure cannot come from chaos without some force or being guiding it. the fact that the force needed to kickstart the inflationary period just after Planck Time had to be so precise that even if the tiniest deviation had occured there would have been no realty to speak of thus we wouldn't be here to discuss this topic. Too much inflation and realty would have ripped itself apart before it got started too little rate of inflation and the emerging reality would have collapsed on itself.

[@built4speed101]

At 11:51, how can Aron-wrong believe anything he say because of his admitted UNCERTAINTY about what he can not accurately prove? Again, this is the blind faith of Atheism in full illustration!

[@davidwatson2399]

Bob Making shyte up isnt the answer.

[@WeirdWonderful]

"My position is in accordance with the laws of Physics because God can work outside the Laws of Physics". Aka "My thing can act in contradiction to the laws of physics because I assume it has to be able to, thus God defying the laws of physics doesn't defy them....somehow".

[@pedronavarro1494]

God isn't part of the universe he created the universe. Therefore the laws don't apply to him but to the universe. While he says all things overtime get better and more complex mater and energy can create itself.

[@maow9240]

i'm gong to appeal to common sense. a creation cannot exist before that very thing gets created. thats just illogical. God being the creator of such laws of physics meaning he existed before such laws existed, would be doing everything he does regardless of those laws in the first place before he created such laws so its not that God defies the laws of physics as he is already in action before such laws even exited but instead he is simply controlling his creation. its like this. when creating a video game up decided what how gravity works in the gam. you either remove gravity of you apply it. you are simply controlling the universe you create not defying it.

[@WeirdWonderful]

@@pedronavarro1494 Well it's an utterly dishonest tactic to claim science is somehow unscientific because it supposedly breaks physical laws, but theism IS scientific because their god can just make those laws temporarily not work, and somehow acting in ways that contradict the laws of physics becomes an act of being in accordance with them !

[@David-dg3rq]

​@@maow9240if you believe a God always existed! Why can you not believe a universe always existed? Because we know for a fact that the universe Is real but it's not been proven that a god is real! So until it's proven that God actually exists why go there? I know it sounds strange to say all materials and matter had always existed but it's just as crazy as to say a God always existed maybe even more so because we haven't any proof of him but we do have proof of the universe so until God can be proven in the same way then why go that extra step and say he created everything cause ya can't prove he's even a thing like you can the universe!

[@SusanaBergen-wo9lu]

@@pedronavarro1494 Exactly as I would have put it, but not with all them big words

[@kenichiotaku3693]

Bob: God is consistent with the laws of physics because God doesn't have to obey the laws of physics 16:20 It doesn't just commit the fallacy of special pleading along with a non sequitur, it isn't just fallacious, it's outright nonsense. :)) It's essentially like saying that something is underwater because it doesn't get to be wet.

[@dougreformed8956]

No one cares about the fallacy police anymore its old now just stick to reasonable argument and fallacies want be a thing. God created the laws of physics when He created mass and space. In the naturalistic worldview matter and space came into existence *contrary* to the laws of physics

[@kenichiotaku3693]

@@dougreformed8956 Truly there are no fallacies in the argument that is actually reasonable. As far as I know, humanity doesn't as of yet have a definitive answer to how space and matter came to be in the first place. The theory of cosmic inflation (aka the big bang) only shows that space and matter expanded from a rather compact point by pointing to the fact that space itself is still expanding. The radiation patterns across the cosmos we could expect if this was the case have already been mapped through the Hubble telescope. Just google "the microwave cosmic background radiation" and look it up for yourself. So sorry, your misunderstanding of science is not an argument against it, try harder or take a break. Until you can prove God, appealing to him as an explanation instead of having the intellectual honesty to utter the words "I don't know" still constitutes a god of the gaps fallacy and before you can prove any sort of god or other such magical/supernatural entity you obviously would have to prove that magic/the supernatural is real.

[@kenichiotaku3693]

@@basementdweller100 You accuse me of misquoting the man when the exact same words in that exact order touch the ear upon clicking my time stamp. You would have a point if what he said immediately after would provide further context that would change or clarify the meaning of the words I quoted. However, "he can operate outside of them" is still a cope-out excuse, it's still a baseless assertion just like "God is consistent with the laws of physics because God doesn't have to obey the laws of physics." Still special pleading, still non-sequitur. Complaining of my reasoning simply because you don't agree with it on the basis of a demonstrably false accusation followed by an ad-hominem attack is a refutation in no way, no shape, no form. Try again when you got something to say and not when you just got to say something.

[@dougreformed8956]

Kenichi Otaku you miss the point. If something began to exist, it means there was a time when it didn't exist. The laws of science dictate that it is impossible for something to come into existence by itself. Therefore it must have had a cause. The athiest will say "I don't know what that cause is, but it isn't God" the Christian will say "well God said He did it so I believe Him" the Christians view isn't a God of the gaps at all because there was no gap to begin with whereas the athiests view is the creation of a gap because they purposely leave God out.

[@kenichiotaku3693]

@@dougreformed8956 The average atheist would stop at "I don't know" while the theists pretends to know it's because of God because people in ancient times wrote a collection of books in which they said so. And you're claiming I miss the point when you aren't on point yourself. You assume that everything must have come from somewhere or from something else, yet you don't apply the same logic to God as if he isn't something (as opposed to nothing). But you have an excuse, He's supernatural so check mate naturalism, right? How about taking a break from the special pleading to demonstrate the supernatural itself is even a thing in the first place? Till then, throwing an item under the influence of gravity 1000 times will cause it to hit the ground 1000 times making me think the same result will turn out if I do it 1000 more times. Based on the very same principle, I am going to think that the explanation for all current unknowns is going to turn out natural because each time men have come up with a supernatural explanation they were wrong.

[@chrisbay6672]

Standing for nonsense is too big of a coward to debate Aron so he has to cut up old debates where Aron shows up an opponent who refuses to answer questions and constantly shows his ignorance of evolution and cosmology.

[@StandingForTruthMinistries]

You think Aron is smarter or a better debater than RJ Downard or Dr. Stefan Frello? And this debate isn't cut up. This is the full debate?

[@chrisbay6672]

Standing for Nonsense, No, Not better, just different. Not sure why you are so afraid to read your script to him when you so freely choose to read your script to those other people. RJ does an awesome job of asking pertinent questions for you dodge and refuse to answer. I am sure that Aron would do the same.

[@StandingForTruthMinistries]

@@chrisbay6672 That was my point. I have debated anybody who has been willing. We are in the works at putting together a debate between myself and Aron now that Aron has agreed to structured debates. And I couldn't be more excited.

[@chrisbay6672]

Standing for Nonsense, I understood your point which is why I said I didn't understand that you were so afraid to read your script to Aron since you don't mind reading it to others. Saying that you are setting up a debate doesn't mean anything until you show up rather than coming up with some lame excuse like you have for every other debate that you have set up with Aron in the past.

[@ds525252]

Chrissy Bay Do you always whine so much? Please leave fewer comments. It bothers us.

[@LisaAnn777]

Is this guy familiar with E=mc²? He claims "science says something cant come from nothing" and quotes the laws of conservation of energy but completely misses the point that energy can change its state. This is such a basic thing thing for him to ignore.

[@MrHardhead2]

Getting paid for debating a subject that can never be proven or disproven is a great gig! One thing is certain, if either side ever wins, the gig is up! God could end it. Better yet, he could show himself/ herself and be a hero.

[@SusanaBergen-wo9lu]

Dude, Jesus Himself refers to Himself as a male in the Bible, when He talked about the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, also, there is proof of God all around us, he answers prayers, though He may not answer them how we want Him to, He answers them how He sees best, and there is nature all around us, animals that are too complex to have evolved from nothing, and yet you do not except it

[@miguelquintana8076]

​@@SusanaBergen-wo9luDid you just use the "Look at the trees" as evidence?

[@Cre8tvMG]

17:40 Aron avoids admitting he is an atheist in practical terms. He is using the term atheist, but then he uses Bailey and Mott to fall back to agnosticism, saying he just doesn’t have enough evidence to have a belief. Why are atheists today incapable of admitting they believe there is no God? And if they are agnostics and don’t know one way or the other, then why are they so afraid to own the moniker agnostic?

[@richardsteele1746]

So your position is basically clapping your hands over your ears and calling the other side a liar? Genius.

[@richardsteele1746]

Atheism, as I use the term, refers to belief. I do hold a belief in God, but I do not claim absolute knowledge with 100% accuracy. I am an agnostic atheist.

[@popap1995]

I think this is what I found annoying as well--Bob hit the nail on the head when he said that Ra sort of refuses to use the word "believe" and he is playing a semantics game. If you have a belief on God one way or the other, you believe "something" based on the available evidence.

[@richardsteele1746]

@@popap1995 that's not how we see it. Imagine a jar of jellybeans. Someone says "there are an even number of jelly beans in there." I say "I don't know, I haven't counted them yet." It's not a positive belief one way or another, it is a lack thereof. Ultimately, I cannot prove that a God doesn't exist, but I doubt that he does, and when we get to specific gods, such as the God of the Bible, or Krishna, or Apollo, I will go so far as to say it is highly unlikely that such beings exist, or ever could. It's just mythology, human attempts to explain reality. As our knowledge grows, I find it interesting that religious beliefs tend to change and adapt (or evolve lol).

[@richardsteele1746]

@@RaceFanDana you're right. I just talked to God. He says your hat is stupid

[@jesseriker3076]

Bob was losing the debate so he pulls the claim out of his bag of tricks and claims "I've backed you into a corner" When actually it was the other way around. Almost an hour and we still do not know how the universe came to exist.

[@dougreformed8956]

*If you are an atheist you don't know

[@kajsorensen1207]

@@dougreformed8956 *If you are a scientist, you dont know.

[@lederereddy]

You don't know how the universe was created because you don't want to know its Creator. But He has revealed more than enough about His power, authority, will, and skill that there is no excuse for mistaking Him and His attributes for nature and its attributes.

[@SusanaBergen-wo9lu]

Yes we do, God created it, in 7 days, it's right there in the first couple chapters of the first book of the Bible, pretty easy to find

[@RyanAlt-bx8tw]

That whole part about "being backed into a corner" is hilarious.

[@hsdte7931]

Aron says he does not hold the position Bob ascribes to him. Bob simply repeats that Aron does. This is why apologists can not be taken seriously. They can't have a conversation without lying

[@davidluciano9478]

I know you think thats what happened.

[@jonathanrussell1140]

​@@davidluciano9478that's what happened the whole time.

[@Cre8tvMG]

2:00 “Krause understands nothing.” First time I’ve agreed with Aron Ra on anything. :-D

[@vinkosusac1130]

LOL

[@georgebond7777]

I thought that was quite funny also.

[@dmac8949]

I suggest you get the wax out and listen to this again...Ra did not say that Krause doesn't understand anything, as you think he did, he's saying that Krause understands 'nothing', i.e. the concept of nothingness...seriously? you people should be very embarrassed and ashamed of how little you listen and actually understand[your own language]anything and/or your total intellectual dishonesty...You're stupid is showing.

[@Cre8tvMG]

@@dmac8949 OH brother. You have no sense of humor! Classic armchair atheist: get offended at a joke. Of course I know what he meant about understanding the concept of nothingness (though that is almost an incoherent phrase unless you redefine nothingness to be somethingness, as Krauss does). I just thought his phrasing was ironically comical. Grow up a bit and have some fun. Even if it means laughing at Krause. :-)

[@georgebond7777]

@@dmac8949 ha ha ha ha, a little sensitive buddy.

[@andrewwian4921]

Aaron Ra has rocks in his head. He's denying the obvious.. He's playing word games..

[@oldgordo61]

That is exactly what he does and he thinks he's quite clever. But if he's confronted with someone who knows his/her stuff and is well aware of the word games atheists like AronRa play they can be easily refuted. AronRa has gone record in many of his videos stating God does not exist and he knows he has but he is not willing to back it up with evidence that supports his position.

[@Bomtombadi1]

Word games… precisely what Christians like to play because they really don’t get the English language.

[@jonathanrussell1140]

​@@oldgordo61Aron Ra backs up his position when he is allowed to speak. Dutko's constant straw men were embarrassing and irritating to hear and then he refused to acknowledge Aron's answers. If Dutko thinks he's a great debater he's delusional.

[@vitalisdespiritos4459]

Anthropomorphism is the attribution of human traits, emotions, or intentions to non-human entities. It is considered to be an innate tendency of human psychology.

[@CameronBFunny]

"My explanation agrees with Physics, because my God can break the laws of Physics." 16:00 Dafuq he just say?

[@jonathanrussell1140]

Yup you heard him right. People resurrect from the dead. We see it all the time. The sun stands still in the sky. We see it all the time. The Red Sea parts so that god can do real estate. Now that one, the last bit we DO see quite a lot of that claim!!!!! Now imagine that. God says "I created the whole universe and I give this bit of it specially to you for you were unfairly driven out of it and no matter how hard I tried I couldn't stop it happening even though I am omnipotent."

[@noneofyourbusiness7055]

It's nice to see that the quality of argumentation used for the apologetics produced & supported by "Standing For Truth" is still exactly on par with that for flat Earth.

[@lederereddy]

It's typical to see the totally arbitrary context of your accusation. No specific example and no demonstration of any error, just another bold claim from just another ignoramus.

[@noneofyourbusiness7055]

How about the facts that Bob's entire position is literally the god of the gaps fallacy, and that Aron recently posted a video reminder of some of Bob's bogus debate claims?

[@jonathanrussell1140]

​@@lederereddydon't go there. You will lose.

[@lederereddy]

@@jonathanrussell1140 Back at ya. Except there's no coming back from the end of Aron's dead end delusions.

[@lederereddy]

@@noneofyourbusiness7055 That's a false assertion, nunya! The evidence actually proves the Biblical narrative. It is simple logical and scientific inference to say yes how this universe was created defies random chance assembly and confirms willful, brilliant design and engineering! It is Aron's "evolution of the gaps" assertions that fly in the face of scientific deduction. You atheists laugh at those with the faith to acknowledge the thousands of miraculous things in nature that bear God's signature and dim wittedly ignore the faith you have in the many miracles it would take to create this universe the way atheists say it happened.

[@psandbergnz]

This type of debate is pointless and at best of only academic interest. Even if "God" is a plausible explanation for the beginning of the universe, Christians fail to establish that this supports their claim that this supports the notion that Jesus is God and the Bible is inspired by Him. If "God" created the universe, SO WHAT? How is that relevant to humans if nothing is known about that "God"? According to Christians, it only matters that you believe in the Christian/bibblical God to be saved, which is. the only "correct" God.

[@imustkeepremindingmyselfofthis]

I don’t understand why Aron has to defend something he doesn’t believe. He simply doesn’t believe in deity, that doesn’t mean he believes that everything came from nothing. The “no god scenario” is limited to everything from nothing according to the believer for some reason. I’m not an atheist, but I do feel like it was unfair for the believer to do that to the non-believer. The subject involves mystery. They were both interrupting each other, the non-believer more so than the believer.

[@davidluciano9478]

Ive watched alot of Aron Ras debates, and everytime he doesnt have an answer for something he "Doesnr believe in that" but never says why.

[@Scandimania]

The step from concluding "You cannot create anything out of nothing" to "cut of penis or burn in eternal hell" is crazy.

[@torppatoni]

Good video. Dutko took Aron as a rope in a string. Aron Ra's ability to talk is miserable.

[@dmac8949]

Ya, especially when the person he's talking to is interrupting him every 3-4 words and absolutely refusing to let him speak...Dutko is embarrassing himself and you too.

[@oldgordo61]

AronRa would be better off working as a crimminal lawyer. Because he's very deceptive with word semantics.

[@kingdavid255]

Bob Dutton you are perhaps the worst debater I have ever seen or heard. I have always maintained a montra that the person who speaks the loudest the fastest and longest has the weakest point to make and the way you have made every attempt to prevent Mr. Ra to speak and get his message across tells me Sir that you have no point to make at all. You lost this one sided argument tonight. Also, it would be very polite of you to learn Mr. Ra’s first name. A hint, it is not Aaron. You bring out the worst in a Christian man. BTW I am a Jew. You should apologize to Mr.Ra and have a do-over. Thank you.

[@Cre8tvMG]

25:50 Well done, Bob. Exactly right. He is blustering and filibustering, because he is backed into a corner he can’t get out of with logic. Good job calling him on it. He’s all bluster.

[@BadLantzMaru]

Kicked Aron right in the pride and the guy lost it.

[@dmac8949]

Really? Do you understand logic so little? Every time Aron opened his mouth BD would not let him get beyond a couple of words to say anything let alone get the chance to use logic. But that's his and your only defense cut the other person off, and speak over them...I suppose you think that's logic. It's not.

[@WeirdWonderful]

Aron said he doesn't believe the universe came into existence from Nothing and Dutko kept asserting he does for over 20 minutes and saying that doesn't misrepresent Aron's position. How is he being backed into a corner by refusing to champion a position he has repeatedly stated he does NOT hold ?

[@SusanaBergen-wo9lu]

Man I love it when I get someone filibustered

[@peteralleyman1945]

Aron, you should bear in mind the words of Mark Twain: "Do not argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

[@elcarpe9186]

right... and isn't Bob one of the guys that thinks people and dinosaurs lived together 6000yrs ago?

[@torturetuesday5191]

You mean Bob should take this advice? That would make more sense.

[@peteralleyman1945]

@@BibleResearchTools Matthew 5:22 "And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell".

[@peteralleyman1945]

@@BibleResearchTools So you may call fellow-humans fool, unless they believe in your personal superstition? That is one of the things I don't like about religion: it divides people. In the good ole days to the level that burning fellow-humans at the stake is the appropriate response to disagreement. Or flying airplanes into skyscrapers. Because of an old book full of fairy tales.

[@peteralleyman1945]

@@BibleResearchTools The difference is I call people fool who are fools, religious or not. I don't discriminate.

[@elcarpe9186]

I wish Bob would have had the 'evolution' discussion with Aron Ra - that's where it would get interesting - because there's actual facts to chat about instead of this aethereal gas cloud of words Bob posited.

[@elcarpe9186]

@@BibleResearchTools well... I must be a bad 'evolutionist' then, because I have not gone to evolution church, don't even know what the evolution bible looks like... but I do live in a world of demonstrable facts. I don't believe in evolution... I understand it.

[@elcarpe9186]

@@BibleResearchTools Correct, I understand evolution and have no need to 'believe' in it. Facts do not require faith. but then that makes me curious if we are using the vernacular of 'believe' or a faith-based definition of 'believe'.

[@1GODISNOWHERE1]

Did SFT host this debate?

[@torturetuesday5191]

Look at Aaron squirm. He's weak.

[@bentup.]

Bob is a straw man king.

[@joekonopka2363]

Knowledge versus a dim witted mythology and the logic of the bewildered herd

[@SusanaBergen-wo9lu]

Huh?

[@richardsteele1746]

All Bob does is misrepresent the opposing position. All he can do is put words in Aron's mouth, and knock down the strawmen.

[@ispamq]

Some interesting comments, I would say aron wins this discussion... The guy has enormous amounts of personal incredulity because he doesn't know the answer. Its God of the gaps, I don't know... therefore God. Interesting debate though for sure

[@collynsmith786]

He keeps calling him aaron 😂

[@blueheron9060]

@Juan Rodriguez-Ortega AA-Ron

[@SusanaBergen-wo9lu]

Ain't that his name tho?

[@guilty-of-being-right]

Hank Aaron ⚾

[@becksy539]

The argument about God is futile, if your suggesting that existence requires an entity to create everything then your in an even deeper rabbit hole having to explain where God came from and who created God, lets just make it less comlicated and save a step omitting a magical sky wizard and work on that hypothesis

[@jacksonstone246]

“You don’t believe me!!! That’s your own belief not to be believe me” “the reason that I’m right is that you hold a belief structure saying I’m wrong and I can’t be wrong so I’m right!!!”

[@jameswright...]

Standing for truth then starts out with a misrepresentation/lie 😂

[@zacharyberridge7239]

If there is no God, where did the universe come from? If there IS a god, where did God come from? Oh, he always existed? Now you're getting it, Bob.

[@thebadjew3136]

Mr Dutko, like most apologists misrepresented the facts and change the conversation too "feel" in control and muck the very thing you argue for. If God existed he would make himself know like he "did" in the bronze age. If God has to brake his own rules is his no God at all

[@grandpageologist]

A very well done debate atheism fails at every point thank you for putting it up again SFT

[@WeirdWonderful]

I mean, atheism is a lack of belief in the general sense. So no, me not believing your god is real can't "fail" because I have to be the one who is necessarily right about what I do and don't find convincing.

[@jeffsole8653]

dude your stupid god summoned bears to maul kids. slow clap for the slow kids in the back of the class for being gullible

[@joekonopka2363]

The logic of the bewildered herd

[@JungleJargon]

The black hole is not a hole. It stops where time and distance stop existing.

[@JoeKnows44]

The most one sided debate I’ve ever heard. When your entire argument depends on you being able to change what a persons argument is into something you can refute (sort of), you’ve already lost. Christians, fear not, Bob is a nut job, not the voice of rational Christians who love and live in the likeness of Jesus.

[@keithkoster8937]

This Bob guy is a very irritating theist that doesn't understand that he has the burden of proof. He's trying everything he can to protect his religion and acting like it's just given that what he believes is true lmao. Also Mr..., we know a nothing that has ever been demonstrated. So you can't even use that in your argument. Think about that for a minute.

[@kevins4222]

Bob : "You can't break the Laws of Physics!! But also; there is a God who completely breaks the laws of physics"

[@JungleJargon]

Evolution has never been proved. Get that simple fact into your head. You can't get billions of bits of viable written direction from unrelated alterations to an existing written code.

[@jonathanrussell1140]

Get this into your head. Science does not use the word proof, because the scientific method is always to maintain a skeptic position and constantly try to disprove the hypothesis. However when every piece of examined evidence supports the hypothesis AS HAS HAPPENED WITH EVOLUTION, then the hypothesis is regarded as a THEORY. Still potentially falsifiable, but the best explanation of reality.

[@JungleJargon]

@@jonathanrussell1140 Science doesn’t utilize speculation conjecture assumption assertion imagination or fantasy.

[@jonathanrussell1140]

@@JungleJargon no absolutely. Religion does ALL of those.

[@JungleJargon]

@@jonathanrussell1140 The reality is that you were created along with everything else and only your Creator can re-create you. Snap out of your object credit giving trance.

[@jameswest8280]

"You can't create matter and energy from nothing" Also "God created matter and energy from nothing" as much as I love Aron, I can't listen this guy for more than 15 minutes.

[@robotaholic]

Aron is intellectually honest and says when he doesn't know. Atheism is just the lack of belief. Bob is making the claim that a God exists yet has not a single bit of proof...and then says you have to have faith....pfft atheism is a belief system like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

[@danielquinones8099]

THE PROBLEM OF TIME.... The t=0 problem All currently accepted models propose a beginning to time in the universe, or a point at which t=0, but IF t=0 then nothing changes, EVERYTHING (matter, energy, space ) remains unchanged and unchanging, STAGNANT, UNMOVING 1) If everything remains the same.... an expansion (Big Bang) WILL NOT occur. 2) If nothing changes.... a Big Bang CAN NOT occur. 3) If you start with a condition where nothing DOES change or CAN change then.... NOTHING WILL CHANGE!... It remains the same till something BEYOND time, space, matter and energy causes it to change...consequently a prime mover apart from the universe, personal or impersonal, is necessary. In other words... even energy must depend on the PASSAGE OF TIME to INITIATE an effect. At t=0 there is nothing, including energy, that can proceed to cause anything to happen. The cause must be external to the PHYSICAL universe and reside outside of time. Such a cause is defined as being eternal or by that same definition must be self existent....God is such a cause.

[@matinhannak3649]

you realise that thats a logical contradiction? if time began with our universe, or as per our current best model, with the expansion of space time, then saying "before" the expansion of space time is like saying south of the south pole. if time began with this event, how could there have been time before the event? the only logical conlcusion is the event has always been happening. there never was 0. which is also why, our models do not claim t=0 our current understanding of physics breaks down in environments that extreme, science literally couldnt possibly know that yet. so iam interested, cite me the scientific paper explaining our current best model of the big bang that made your claim. iam waiting.

[@lucyterrier7905]

So, in other words Aron Ra has no explanation.

[@pup1008]

No one does at the moment, but we've had a lot of these quandries over the years from volcanoes to the ascent of life on this planet and have always found totally naturalistic explanations.

[@James-kw1lf]

@@pup1008 Codes don't write themselves. Especially, 4 digit living genetic code.

[@OrthodoxJoker]

@@pup1008 that’s nonsense. You found natural explanations because it is part of the natural universe. This is a different question entirely which can only be answered by a god. You atheists really are fools

[@danielward4091]

Actually I'm little disappointed in the way Aron behaved here. He wasn't really listening to Bob which is why it looked like he lost. With the first question Bob asked all he had to say was, I don't believe the Universe came from nothing.

[@gypsyjay6240]

He acts this way every time

[@OrthodoxJoker]

He is always an angry goblin

[@Xarai]

happens when you talk to professional liars like bob

[@danielward4091]

@@Xarai yeah I get that

[@danielward4091]

@@gypsyjay6240 that is true. I've seen him do this many times. It bothers me to be honest.

[@bernardlongwe7330]

Aron believes in magic and keeps fumblings forth and forth. How dull? It's just that he can't admit how lack of logic in his scientific standing.

[@jonathanrussell1140]

Word Salad 101

[@maskim7132]

Dutko would make a great politician

[@grumpycricket]

Because he's always lying?😂

[@patrickosmium733]

gop

[@eugenecoleman8525]

@ 8:35 what evidence do you have that there's any truth to that belief?

[@jonathanrussell1140]

Much more logical 😂😂😂😂. My Straw man is better than your skepticism. Yeah right.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

Good debate from both of them. Respectful and intelligent. Bob won but Aron did well for being on the side that's objectively false. EDIT: I wrote that too soon. When Aron got backed into the corner and then resorted to the red herring fallacy about Evolution... and then when called out on it, the constant interruptions, that was bs

[@jonathanrussell1140]

If not allowing your opponent to speak, straw-manning him constantly and not hearing the answers is winning a debate you need to give your head a wobble.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

@jonathanrussell1140 Nobody strawmans Aron in these debates. The problem is Aron is using proprietary definitions for all the key terms without clarifying this, which then leads to him falsely THINKING that people are strawmanning him. But to make matters worse, the way that Aron redefines these terms in his mind entails that he's committing linguistic fallacies within the context of the debate. You CAN'T always just define words however you want... you can't do it in such a way that consistitutes a linguistic fallacy in the debate. Example: Aron Ra defines a presupposition as "something assumed to be true prior to argument *and dogmatically believed no matter what, even in the face of contrary evidence* He arbitrarily adds that part in the bold, and no prescriptive reference source adds that in the definition. This conceptually changes the concept that he's describing with the word "presupposition" to the point that he THINKS he has no presuppositions, which is actually impossible without this linguistic fallacy he's committing, and so he falsely thinks others are strawmanning him by saying he has presuppositions. They are not. The fallacy is on HIS end, not the other way around, because he's redefining the word in such a way that entails a linguistic fallacy in that context such that he falsely concludes he has no presuppositions. He does the same thing for virtually every key word in these debates. It's his entire shtick. For words like "religion," "demonstrate," "fact," "science," "worldview," "atheism," "presupposition," "faith," and so on and so on. The interesting thing is I honestly don't think he's doing it on purpose. He just redefines words in his mind, without telling anyone, until he thinks he's won, as a self-defense mechanism that he engages in without awareness he's doing this. I figured this out by paying close attention to how he defines words at the rare instances where his interlocutor asks him to define them. This hardly ever happens, but every single time that it does - he is defining key words incorrectly in such a way that entails he's committing a linguistic fallacy. Every time.

[@JesusChristIsTheOnlyWay]

Oh man Ra is fumbling! 😂 Great video on exposing what he believes. ✝️🙏🏼🙌🏼

[@Bomtombadi1]

Oh yeah! Because Dutko brings him on to talk about evolution and switches gears to catch him off guard. Brilliant strategy!

[@jw-yr4lj]

Aron got cornered and decided he'd rather talk about dinosaurs, and then got destroyed again lol

[@evanstein3011]

35:40 Dutko literally talks about how HE'S bringing it up lol

[@WeirdWonderful]

No, Dutko literally kept asserting Aron said something which he never said, and then kept trying to make him defend a position he NEVER said he had !

[@bloodgrss]

What a poor delusional man you must be...

[@JoeKnows44]

If you believe he was cornered, you’re a real sucker

[@jonathanrussell1140]

No Aron got ambushed by a bunch of strawmen which he was never allowed to refute.

[@michaelhasted-r2q]

Mm. Net energy in the universe is zero. There is positive energy and negative energy .... Net energy is zero.

[@oftheborg]

The stegosaurus has a large tail and those aren't ears.

[@JesusChristIsTheOnlyWay]

🙌🏼

[@Dornogal_City]

Aron Ra isn't going to win this battle.

[@gowdsake7103]

The question is utterly irrelevant ! An invisible sky daddy certainly is NOT the answer and neither is Iron age ignorance

[@Arminius420]

Only the sith speak in absolutes. LOL JK I am surprised Aron Ra actually kept his cool in this debate he sometimes gets on my nerves with his rudeness towards the other debaters.

[@scottgodlewski306]

It's hard to find a more embarrassing debater than Aron Ra, but Dutko was up to the challenge.

[@natep5328]

Dutko asks question, cuts off Arron, inserts straw man, then doubles down. Hes every scarecrow's nightmare.

[@kamdelmonte7349]

If you actually paid attention, aron ra had a lot more time to speak than Dutko but still lost the debate.

[@collynsmith786]

Wow aron is actyally cool and calm for once debating someone who believes in God

[@JungleJargon]

Aron Ra has learned that creationists have a lot of reason all the evidence for a young earth and the global flood.

[@NephilimFree]

@@JungleJargon And it burns his soul to know it!

[@JungleJargon]

@@NephilimFree Yes, we have more reason than they have because all of the reason is on our side.

[@JungleJargon]

@subtracted You don't listen very well and you are the one that actually believes in the magical objects of the gaps because evolution is all gap with zero evidence. All you have is speculation, conjecture, assumption, assertion, imagination and fantasy, nothing more. Put up your evidence of getting vast amounts of written instructions that are not there to the tune of billions of bits of viable programming. Your belief is all fantasy with no factual basis whatsoever. You have nothing.

[@JungleJargon]

@subtracted We can see there is written instruction inside of every living thing. Instruction can't write itself and you can't use directed things as evidence of no direction. You have no evidence of magical matter writing instruction that is not there.

[@tedgrant2]

Apparently, God has always existed and he is timeless. And Popeye has a girlfriend named Olive Oyl.

[@josephbarkley3301]

Bob proving what a complete fool he is

[@canadiankewldude]

Bob Dutko... Ra Ra Ra. God bless.

[@johnroemeeks_apologetics]

Larry Nelson just got demolished!!!

[@davidwatson2399]

😆😂 You are delusional

[@royalt3690]

Good job Bob! Aron Nelson is an angry man who knows God exists and hates Him. Why else would he spend his life attempting to disprove someone he doesn't believe?

[@royalt3690]

@subtracted typical ad hom response, no substance, just emotion.

[@robertemerson1087]

@@royalt3690Because religion is a bad thing and it’s easy to prove.

[@jonathanrussell1140]

Another Straw man

[@JungleJargon]

The argument for creation is so much stronger than a drawing or a carving. Unrelated errors in duplication will never write vast amounts of instruction that are not there. Evolution is for anyone who doesn't care about what the truth is.

[@caustixsoda8125]

Wow. This nothing business....Romans 1!!!! Seriously. We're close!! I hope it's my generation.

[@collynsmith786]

I would love to debate ra. He'd be easy pickins and i would hope that the manorism in which i would present things and attitude toward him would cause him to change

[@BillMorganChannel]

He will never change.

[@jordanl5127]

how can I book Professor Dumbledore for an interview?

[@callumclarke1733]

I Defene Atheism is those who Pretend God Does Not Exist.

[@Caseous703]

Bob is just using an equivocation fallacy as he doesn't beleive in the "god" he's asking Aron to accept from just his argument, which would merely be the minimal quality of existant things or set of things that would produce our particular universe (and also disengenuously keeps saying this means Aron or the "atheist" beleives "nothing" caused energy at some point to break the 1st law of thermodynamics). Bob then proposes something that is impossible according to the laws of physics to create the laws of physics ... Aron doesn't beleive in God (capital G) so he's an Atheist, or anything that would qualify as a god under his definition "a magical anthropomorphic immortal" so still an atheist. If all Bob is doing is using the word "god" to mean whatever caused energy to come into being (assuming it did, and that it had a non self referential cause) then he's just using semantics to trick Aron in to saying he's not an atheist because he agrees with a pre-universe existant cause for the universe. Aron clearly states he will accept evidence ("A set of verifiable facts that are either indicative of, or concordant with one possibility over any other") but while the existance of anything and the apparent law of cause and effect (plus the first law of thermodymics :D ) is indicative of a pre-existant cause so far all proposed God/s or god/s are neither explanatory or are not indicated over other possibilities in his assement of the facts.

[@evolutionisreligion548]

Bob, boom!, leaves Aron flailing.

[@jonathanrussell1140]

Never allows Aron to answer or accept that he is constantly straw-manning him

[@Wretched2JZ]

Any time “Aaron” speaks, I can’t help but think of your Kent Hovind clip that says “ are you drunk??” 😂 Aaron’s logic is that of a drunk mind 😁

[@patrickosmium733]

Atheist always talk to theists like they are small children.