Bob World Builder is Wrong

[@DaVeO52]

Let's not forget that the stories that included slavery in the modules, the adventurers were opposing them. Not setting up trade deals with them. :D

[@TheBasicExpert]

Are you saying they are there to give players a chance to be a hero against obvious bad guys? Shocked!

[@MagnificentDevil]

The radical left thinks that even mentioning slavery will traumatize any black people who see it. I am not making that up, it is what they believe.

[@DrAnac-qh5dc]

It's almost like teenagers back in the 70s knew slavery was bad and slavers were inherently evil and should be defeated. Crazy.

[@slaapliedje]

This is pretty much what I always say. This gave the players a chance to be heroes and to defeat the Slave Lords. That is still one of my favorite modules. I also really detest the tendency of later RPGs opening up all of the traditionally evil races into being player races. Nit to mention making the game balance essentially make humans the worse to play.

[@carlflaherty2215]

That was true even in setting like Dark Sun.

[@gurugru5958]

The most egregious thing is how little he actually knew about what WOTC wrote in the book.

[@MagnificentDevil]

Oh he knew what they wrote. He just lied about it.

[@Grimmlocked]

why would not having read the thing you're making a 6 minute video about stop you from making a 6 minute video about it?

[@ordomonstrum7141]

@@Grimmlockedbecause it’s in his best interest to not pay attention to it, but sadly he knew he’d get clicks by mentioning it.

[@ericm3327]

No he knew, he omitted it on purpose. Completely compromised

[@dane3038]

He's 100% well studied in modern American propaganda techniques. Leads in with inclusive declaration "we don't want that". Gives reason not to examine the source material "he's just trying to divide the community" *Demonizes the subject for double points. And by 11:36 wraps it up with a false refute ( fake fact check ), while simultaneously nullifying the impact of the words that were specifically chosen because they should be incompatible but somehow aren't. He's probably proud of himself and can't wait to get his hair stoked by WoTC.

[@velvetinedrapes4359]

nailed it. I was gonna comment the same thing. He'd fit in well with The Stasi.

[@violenceislife1987]

Veey well explained.

[@michaelhoward6308]

spot on. Denigrating the dead for profit while using the fruit of their labor. Disgusting actions by WOTC. I'm glad it is being called out. It deserves to be. I was a gamer in the early 80s. We were so glad for ANYONE to play. The direction WOTC had taken the game is not interesting to me as they have made it a culture war issue to advance their viewpoints. Can't we just have a game without the taint of current day culture war issues? The game table should be a retreat from the nonsense of the culture war.

[@EricWalkerswildride]

@@michaelhoward6308 this is a lie.

[@darrekworkman5595]

Hey, Hey, some game worlds have their own culture wars. The warforged in Eberron for instance.

[@tomraineofmagigor3499]

​@@darrekworkman5595I'm fine with in world culture war issues, not bringing irl culture war issues into it. One of the things they've done with the game is expect me to believe the average Gnome is as strong as the average Orc

[@matthewblanchard9805]

Did you play in the 80's using the unpublished alpha draft reprinted in the history book? Where did you get a hold of it?

[@AkbarZeb-p6f]

Yes, you can. You can go on their channels & shit on their ideas & their products & just use the old school versions of the products they taint. No one should be paying for atheist shariah propaganda. They take your money & hate you anyway. People need to stop paying for their own oppression just for a few minutes of "fun" that's tainted anyway.

[@nooneofconsequence4928]

Elon Musk has said that he played D&D and other RPGs in the past, although I don't know if he still does. Either way, it explains his passion on this topic. Yet at no point does Bob mention the fact that Elon Musk is actually a gamer. He would have you believe that Musk is weighing in on this controversy just to stir up traffic for X. This means one of two things: Bob is omitting the fact that Musk is a gamer in order to create a false narrative. Or else, Bob just didn't do his research before creating his video.

[@mdpenny42]

I did put this idea in a comment I put on Professor Dungeon Master's video on the topic, but I think it bears repeating here. There *may* be another reason for Musk weighing in and dissing Hasbro/WotC - he's eyeing the company up to buy some (or all) of it and separating the more and less profitable parts. And how to get what he wants at the best price? Diss the company, and use media attention to help drive down the share price.

[@SoullessAIMusic]

He's more into Diablo now. I think he even has his own personal Diablo X account where he uploads highlights and does live streams.

[@archam777]

Either way, hes an idiot.

[@Arnsteel634]

I see Elon playing with Joe Rogan, Trump, Biden, Obama and more all the time

[@nathwhit3980]

Those are pretty funny!

[@velvetinedrapes4359]

Bobs video is peak 2016. As much as I hate the term, he uses all the standard "SJW" talking points reminiscent of a hit piece from 8 years ago "man has bad takes. We don't like that." setting the narrative before addressing the takes. Along with the "I'll save you the trouble of doing your own research just listen to me" that was a classic. Not to mention the Motte and Bailey tactic. Strange little fella

[@curryscott8100]

@@velvetinedrapes4359 Bob is a woke millennial.

[@03dashk64]

@@curryscott8100 🤡

[@rodrigopinheiro3968]

Well, you're wrong. In many ways. You should first watch the hole video before commenting. The guys at wotc are wrong, Gygax and Arneson did not deserve that. But musk is a f@scist, and that's bad for the hobby. Showing up dressed as a 80's g@ngsta and try to push your right winged view is not only wrong, but also hilarious! Yeah, you just got there! One of those 80's movies where the bully gets be@ten in the end! Musk has the right to say whatever he wants, and so does Bob. But get our hobby associated to a notorious f@scist is a tragedy. I suggest you inform yourself better and quit this shallow discourse of yours.

[@junebug4004]

Oh yeah i memba that

[@WayneBraack]

A bit simply beta for sure. I want some of his stuff. Some of it's pretty good but overall I watch him very little compared to other ttrpg gaming channels.

[@StagRPG]

"He carried a gun everywhere and wouldn't cooperate with the FBI which is cool." I'm never unsubscribing.

[@doomhippie6673]

When people hate their own country...

[@luizandrade6900]

​@@doomhippie6673Found the glowie.

[@violenceislife1987]

​@@doomhippie6673 you mean leftists, right?

[@1776huckleberry]

@@doomhippie6673 you mean "when a country hates its people."

[@nathwhit3980]

The glow is soo bright!!!

[@nonyabusiness890]

Bob while completely in the wrong here is allowing different opinions in the comments of his video and I will give him credit for that as long as it lasts. He is however, completely compromised and shilling for WotC and he has to, as this is how he makes his living.

[@albertonishiyama1980]

Dude took fhe bait, the hook, the wire and the Rod on the WotC propaganda since the OGL thing. Being basically the only one on their side from more or less the start.

[@nonyabusiness890]

Well he lasted about a day. He went private on X and I am shadow banned on his video. What a freaking coward.

[@nickolaskling4640]

Ok but that’s called grifting and in society it’s looked down on. Pushing an agenda for something or someone you don’t align with for money is bad, don’t do it, very lame.

[@rudilator2178]

I believe that he believes he's not a shill. He did Grummz a disservice in his video by calling "Troll". Simply put, Bob is a hippy that didn't read the room.

[@mountedpatrolman]

Not anymore. He's shut comments off. He knows somewhere inside of him, he's wrong.

[@jamess3395]

The cries of "there's literally slaves in the game!" It reminds so much of the satanic panic people who said stuff like "there's literally demons in the game!"

[@slaapliedje]

Even back in the day, I would point out that the devils and demons were what the players were there to defeat. You weren't summoning them in dungeons and making them rampage through towns... hell, that wasn't even really a concept that was popular until Dungeon Keeper came out... The modern RPGs have become cosplay, and murder hobos became a thing, etc.

[@wyrdwik4610]

Strangely I almost miss the PTA and tipper gore types in comparison to today's puritans

[@fredericleclerc9037]

@@slaapliedje Well you could summon them to rampage in town... but then your alignment is EVIL or CHAOTIC... so it never was ''virtuous'' to do so.

[@justinheads5751]

Is it a direct parallel? I can't count the amount of players, GM's, and campaigns I've encountered that depict the demons, evil people, etc, as the "cool" things, the "enlightened light bringers," evil campaigns where people derive joy and amusement from pretending to do the most repugnant acts known to man, etc. How does that parallel with there being slaves in the games, but people always being against the slavers? Isn't one of the operative metrics in the dispute the relative position the player's are placed in, in relation to the thing in question? Are we now going to engage in denialism about how seeing playing the evil people has only come more and more into fashion, and usually on the back of arguments from moral relativism, over compensation for "those close minded Christians," etc?

[@slaapliedje]

@justinheads5751 I have noticed this too... that there has been a bigger drive to play evil characters / parties and just be terrible. The funny thing is, Gygax's version of evil, as far as the alignment system went, was described as being selfish. It wasn't about being a slave owner or anything. Like Chaotic Evil people were all about themselves and didn't care about society. At least that is how I remembered it. Sure, most heroes were mercenaries and saved the town /princess / whatever for money, but still ended up doing good deeds. Not slaughtering villages for fun...

[@etheretherether]

I wonder if a lot of the misunderstanding of Gygax’s work is due to the lack of anyone actually reading or knowing any of the books in the suggested reading. If anyone actually bothered to pick those up, they’d realize Gary Gygax was going for a specific tone in his world, not endorsing it.

[@TheBasicExpert]

That requires reading. Thats a big ask of morons these days.

[@yourtwoscents6974]

Yeah criticize appendix N for really that is the inspiration. It's not like the Internet existed. You went to the library flicked through the card catalog and found what you could on fantasy/sci Fi. You took what you could. Gygax seems more of a problem with the relationship with Dave Arneson. It seems like Dave Arneson was erased from the history. Lastly, your kind of more upset then Bob and really isn't it more you like Elon and he doesn't. Neither one says it true but I will. Fuck that guy who is very much alive and yeah Gary should of been nicer to Dave. Hasbro is just like Musk like fire workers for the bottom line and nothing else. Go back to gold plating your turds for I could careless what you think if you treat the people who do the work so poorly. I'm never going to be a thousandnaire much less a millionaire and the upside is no executive or billionaire would be in my orbit or care what I say. Once again they're not dead but one day they will be so I'm taking my shots while I can.

[@yourtwoscents6974]

Turd comment for Musk/Hasbro not Basic or previous poster.

[@sakidickerson]

Wtf was up with the cover of Drums on Fire mountain?😲

[@steelmongoose4956]

@@TheBasicExpert And it doesn’t matter to these postmodern lunatics. The whole point is to project yourself onto everything around you. They don’t care what anyone else was trying to do; they only care about shoehorning into their own warped worldview.

[@SJH2]

I VERY RARELY ever bother to comment on videos, but after I watched Bob’s video, I made my thoughts on how “wrong” he was so clear in his comments, that Bob himself was forced to address me directly. The hypocrisy in his comment section, along with a couple guys named Mike that are also on this platform, is that if ANY body else in the world would have made those comments, there would have been support for it in their comments. The diversity discussion of our genre only reared its ugly head after it became a fashionable talking point from the left. Leave politics out of my TTRPG community. We were already diverse and inclusive without ever needing to talk about it, or “get ahead” of it. Side note: if one more KZbinr makes an hour long video about inclusivity, then tells me as a “sis het white male” I’m not aloud to have an opinion… well, doesn’t matter, I already unsubscribed from that channel. Edit: would also like to thank all here for having common sense and seeing Bobs and others views with common sense and rationale.

[@michaelconnor1542]

News flash. The lefties have been pushing their politics in everything for decades and bitching the moment you push back. I find it better to be open and build real relationships that can handle differing opinions and ditching those who can't.

[@elgatochurro]

Reminds me of a comment on a video of the title opening of kids next door: "I had no idea they were so diverse" This was the norm, until you people obsessed over race

[@darrekworkman5595]

HEY! Politics so belongs in TTRPG's!!! the political situation in Waterdeep is an important part of the forgotten realms! Trying to jeep politics out of TTRPGs, I can't believe you said that.

[@elgatochurro]

@@darrekworkman5595 when we say politics OUT, we mean MODERN politics. no one wants to hear who you voted for in the ttrpg, im trying to be immersed. People enjoy the politics of Final Fantasy Tactics, FF14, Elder Scrolls, because theyre not modern bad takes.

[@seannemo8076]

@@elgatochurro I'm pretty sure that was a joke, dude...

[@aaronabel4756]

Bob wanted to get ahead of a controversy by digging it up 3 days later. Yeah that makes sense, he's totally not monetizing outrage like that horrible Elon guy, no not at all!

[@doomhippie6673]

He is a rpg commentator. He makes money from this kind of content. Why would he not?

[@DynamoNED]

Bob wasn't just wrong, but mendaciously so. Never been a huge fan of his content, but this is a bit of a mask-off moment. It's clear where his allegiances lie, and I shall act accordingly going forward.

[@stevekillgore9272]

@@DynamoNED I have enjoyed and valued Bob's content, but I am disappointed with his stance in this instance.

[@dontyodelsohard2456]

I liked some of his early stuff, but about the time he started bringing up "As a minimalist," in every video is when he started to lose me... What really felt like a mask-off moment for me was him responding to negative comments with "Goodbye," or other variations of that... Really feeling the inclusion there, Bobbo.

[@stevekillgore9272]

@dontyodelsohard2456 yes, the "goodbye" drips of Smugness, a hallmark of the Left.

[@kalashnikovdevil]

"Mendaciously" is an excellent word.

[@johnjacobjingleheimerschmi9997]

Friend: "Boy, Jaguar sure showed themselves to be out of touch with their market." Bob World Builder: "Hold my Bud Light..."

[@israelmorales4249]

I think Bob is rsentful against conservatives and with Elon. So that was "the straw that breaks the camel back". I can imagin Bob saying "Now this pair of dudes are messing with my hobie.....!" he doesn't see the irony Good video!

[@zeIIendor]

@@israelmorales4249 bingo.

[@ordomonstrum7141]

@@israelmorales4249 sadly Bob is a bought and paid for WotC/Hasbro shill.

[@ralphwoodruff]

Exactly what I picked up on when I watched that. It was less of what Elon was saying and more of who was saying it.

[@ruBenes94]

There is a reason why Bob's video is at 3,5k/1,3k like/dislike ratio while prof DM's sits at a 7,1k/200 atm. The people don't want to shit talk these inspiring people.

[@bobbycrosby9765]

I find it funny that it was supposedly insensitive towards fat people when that has always been a large portion of their market.

[@TheBasicExpert]

Yeah that's kind of funny.

[@graveyardshift2100]

Fat person here. I like a good fat joke if it's funny.

[@Elohist2009]

That’s the part that got me too😂 like who do they think was playing these games back in the 70s and 80s, people like Robert Redford or David Hasselhoff?

[@richardtorruellas2370]

You mean fat people want to be buff? I'm shocked.

[@rclaws3230]

@@Elohist2009 They aren't old enough to understand the real demographic makeup of nerds in the 70s-90s, nor how that demographic was genuinely persecuted by broader society in a way they have never been for all their victimization fetishmongering.

[@doodlesquatch277]

There was a time when people separated fantasy from reality and that if you included something like slavery in your work that didn't mean you wanted slavery in the real world.

[@crapphone7744]

I know, right? It's a game! It's pretend! It's not real life.

[@MitchellClements-kv3in]

I guess they gotta bring Stephan King up on charges because of all the people his characters killed in his books.. or something.

[@kaylaa2204]

Especially because at least half the time the people doing these things are framed as indeed the bad guys. I recently read someone feeling uncomfortable with a mention in a module of implied sexual abuse of a minor, and I look at it and read that part, and I go “…the guy doing this is evil and borderline insane” Like yeah feel uncomfortable at these things but recognize when the thing being uncomfortable was literally the point.

[@darrekworkman5595]

Ah the days when 1984 was a warning and not an instruction manual.

[@robinthrush9672]

@@MitchellClements-kv3in I love that when IT 2 came out, people were up in arms that Pennywise was unkind to a LGB couple after the oddballs had shipped Pennywise and the Babadook.

[@EldradWolfsbane]

Your wrong. After playing and reading OD&D, I began colonizing lands and enslaving people. I feel so ashamed and so should for you criticism. Now I am going say sorry to somebody I should have a long time ago, myself...

[@TheBasicExpert]

Lol

[@pnptcn]

I'm an old lefty, worked for greenpeace, marched against nukes, all that stuff. Did the activism thing. Totally not down with what WotC is doing here or with how things washed out for Gary Gygax (and company) in general. I don't like Elon but I have to sort of echo his sentiments and ask what the hell is going on here?

[@TheBasicExpert]

The later generations have crossed a line I don't think you guys were willing to then.

[@MagnificentDevil]

Short Answer: The Left used to be liberal individualists, now they are illiberal collectivists.

[@pnptcn]

@@TheBasicExpert Feels like people have forgotten were in the same boat.

[@MagnificentDevil]

​@pnptcn They decided they no longer want to share the boat with anyone who isn't in ideological lockstep with them, and have been trying to kick the rest of us out of it for quite some time now.

[@joelkurowski7129]

Two things all Marxists have in common is, 1) eventually it is their turn to go up against the wall. 2) the moment of regret wherein they wonder how it all could have gone so very wrong. No exceptions- eventually you are not sufficiently Progressive, as Progress is a vector and not a destination to your kind. I wish you the best in your life, and pray you live out your days in peace. Maybe reconsider the Leftism thing though.

[@crapphone7744]

I was really looking forward to that book until it came out and I heard what was in the forward introduction and now I can't buy it. I won't support that kind of nonsense. What makes it worse as their accusations just aren't true. There was no misogyny racism in the early days of D&D. I played it in 1975 and went to a lot of conventions and never saw any trace of any of that. Revisionism is a cancer on the truth.

[@bobreaper2142]

I feel the same way

[@DMRaptorJesus]

My best takeaway from this is I now know how to pronounce macuahuitl. Bob just doesn't want to ruin his WoTC checks, any complaints he's had in the past have been preapproved by the corporate overlords.

[@doomhippie6673]

How do you know? Any proof or is this just a general rant?

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

Even worse than what he says is the audience he attracted to himself with that video.

[@randomstuff403]

I was ready to jump in here in the comments to defend Bob because you said you hadn't watched he video. So I went and watched his video and, well I don't need to watch yours. His video was so dishonest and vile that it completely changed my perception of his character. An absolute shame that he sunk so low.

[@TheBasicExpert]

Well, then we have come to similar conclusions. Haha.

[@maverickman6486]

He even used evil and good music color the comments. ugh!

[@finderski]

Yeah, you pretty much echoed my thoughts. I grew up in the 70’s and 80’s and I think something people forget…when they trash people like Gary Gygax and co for those things, they are also telling people of my generation we are bad, because we don’t see anything wrong with how it was presented. But then again, we are from a less enlightened era.

[@BjornKuma]

@@finderski More enlightened...

[@williamfranklin860]

Less enlightened? Are you serious?

[@finderski]

@@williamfranklin860 As I've mentioned elsewhere, sarcasm doesn't translate well to text. In retrospect, I should have put quotes around that... 🤷‍♂

[@worldbigfootcentral3933]

Define "enlightened".

[@BjornKuma]

@@finderski 100% fair. Thanks for the clarification!

[@theVikkodamus]

Look, I don't trust anyone who has more money than I do. Defending a corporation that has broken the trust of its consumers over and over again is super weird and jarring. Sure, there are days we don't like Elon Musk. But burying the creators and making them problematic for the sake of being politically correct on the celebration of their game is just a slap in the face. D&D is about escapism, and sometimes a hero who must do something heroic will have to fight monsters, factions, and rally the people. Bob forgot who he needs to defend. Wizards of the Coast/Hasbro is the cruel king here.

[@HeliopauseOfficial]

Fuck, man. I'm working on a ttrpg pretty seriously after ten years of farting around with it. When my RPG finally sees print, it's going to begin with the line "None of this is real."

[@TheBasicExpert]

Probably wise, just to be sure, haha.

[@MagnificentDevil]

It won't help

[@calvanoni5443]

Safety is an Illusion!

[@justinheads5751]

That won't effect the paradigms behind their accusations. Remember, they know better than us, what we mean when we say things, and they also know better than us WHY we say what we say. They will just say "that line is a flimsy attempt for the author to distance themselves from the flagrant bigotry they espouse in their work, but the dog whistles the author inserted for their intended audience to get their real meaning throughout the work, speak louder than any disclaimer" or some other crazy nonsense. The only way to not be accused of being a bigot by someone who thinks their exact ideology is the one single POSSIBLE way to not be a bigot, is to agree with them about everything. It's literally a foregone conclusion that someone who had their ideology propagated to them as the only way to avoid bigotry could conceive of disagreement not intrinsically being bigotry.

[@albertmockel6245]

😄

[@FineGuy96]

At the start of the video he says something like, “don’t look this up anywhere else” wtf is this trash

[@steved1135]

Yep. Well said all around. I was somewhat shocked watching Bob's video. I then took a break and watched it again an hour later. It was literally the first time I'd ever completely disagreed with Bob's take on things. I stopped myself, and then did eventually post a large comment indicating his errors. It's interesting how the supposed champions of inclusivity are the ones who support excluding all those who disagree with them. Very strange stuff...

[@MagnificentDevil]

It is a mask-off moment for Bob, true colors on display.

[@steved1135]

@@MagnificentDevil So it seems. This one really caught me off guard. I'm 53 and have been playing since I was 13, so, I figured maybe I wasn't understanding. Thus my rewatches. I don't typically like to rip into people in comments but, I just had to lay it out on Bob. What a sorry state of affairs it is that there's misguided people like this.

[@stevekillgore9272]

@@steved1135 agreed, 1000% Once again, I am in full agreement, even awe, of a genuine African American - Elon Musk !

[@stevekillgore9272]

@@steved1135 agreed , 1000%

[@VioletDeliriums]

Gen Xer here, and I definitely believe in affording everyone human dignity (which is what alternative rock was also about in the 80s and early 90s, until it got too big)...and I am NOT a fan of Elon Musk in general, as he is a capitalist overlord, but no one is ALWAYS wrong...I played Gygax's D&D in the 1980s, and in those days the self-righteous, preachy Boomers went after it with the Satanic Panic. Today, the self-righteous, preachy Millennials are going after Gygax's D&D because they find offensive values in it. Meanwhile, the Gen Xers, sandwiched between these two domineering generations, are just sitting in the middle thinking, whatever... If you want to see divisive behavior? Just look at how much people seem to love to take a person (e.g., a "Karen" or whatever) and portray them at their worst with no real context so that they can gang up on them and smear them in public on the internet with their viral vids. It seems to me that is exactly what WoTC decided to do to Gygax & the gang...Bob World Builder would not exist to build his worlds without the world those early gamers built. Honestly, I get tired of people who are so wrapped up in 5e that they see nothing else. It's a bigger world out there, end they really ought to be more inclusive of other games, at least give them a try?

[@finderski]

Growing up when we did was really pretty cool, especially since TSR made more games than D&D, so we had the opportunity to spread our wings almost from the jump.

[@kendiamond7852]

Bob is just chasing the money. He's essentially on the WOTC payroll. He doesn't have an opinion, they don't prescribe to him.

[@jlitz7393]

Bob is spineless. He says whatever he thinks the "safe" opinion is. He's terrified of losing the audience full of blue-haired ideologues he gathered. I get it, he will probably get a lot of unsubs if he agreed. I'm sure at some point he loved D&D, but he seems to love his relationship with WotC now.

[@doomhippie6673]

Maybe he believes what he says? And he has spine because.... well, just read the comments here.

[@nestorgamer9746]

​@@doomhippie6673well explain you then because all I see is shilling

[@Roukle]

I'll give him an unsub

[@jasonroberts4116]

I unsubscribed his channel

[@graveyardshift2100]

Bob: They're just trying to not exclude anybody. Calling the main warrior class option "Fighting-Man" does not exclude anybody. It is also a historical term based on the actual origin of the word "man" which was just a shortened version of human. Fighting-Man itself being a military term, just like pikemen, longbowmen, and footmen. It has nothing to do with sexism and was just the wargamers being history nerds.

[@Boonedale]

Don't forget that Chainmail came before D&D and that was a wargame. Fighting-Man is just a grunt foot soldier.

[@CMacK1294]

If you preface everything you ever say about a person or their work is a disclaimer about 'how they weren't perfect', that is a tepid, cowardly act of moral condemnation. I don't preface every conversation about my old man (RIP) by pointing out all his flaws like a damned list. Why? Because I love him. Because for all his faults, he had his hand in raising me, he did what he could to keep me fed and clothed. He did his damnest to teach me right from wrong, and to break the cycle of abuse he suffered growing up, and in many ways he did provide me a better life than he had. He wasn't alone in that endeavor, of course, and I'd no sooner slander him, my grandparents or my mother. Gygax and Arneson are the fathers of the hobby, and the creators of the very brand Hasbro is banking on. To start the conversation about them with a disclaimer *is* a disavowal. The entire purpose of a disavowal is a moral condemnation. It's not a recognition of flaws that came up organically in a conversation later. It's presented as the *first thing*. We actually do have a subconscious habit of putting the most important thing in our psyche at the beginning. You don't need a degree to recognize that fact. The context is important. It's entirely an attempt at social engineering. They want to assert that something is offensive because their worldview demands they be offended, regardless of what the common man and typical human cultures believe. It's not a disclaimer, it's *political activism* by danger-haired pinkos running on a neo-Marxist ideology that demands that all humans be perfect by their own arbitrary standards, and doesn't allow leeway for the imperfections of the mortal man. Beyond that. . . Gygax wasn't a racist or a sexist. A man with a traditional view of gender roles, sure, but that's not sexism. So they are just lying too. The closest anyone can find is the 1E rule about females having lower strength score maximums -- which to me reads as an easy mistake in the beginning of the hobby when he was pretty clearly trying to model things down to autistic detail, and didn't quite know where to draw the line between 'reality' and 'abstraction'. Attributing malice to it is ridiculous. Hell, I could have made that same 'mistake' in my own attempts to overhaul and try my hand at early game design had he not run into it later. And he went on to say it was a mistake and he's not sure what the hell he was thinking.

[@MagnificentDevil]

Every accusation is a confession. Every single time.

[@DerivativeWorker]

That's pretty profound, really.

[@KevinVideo]

Yup. All they do is project or tell on themselves. They can't help it.

[@shep4two]

Yup. 38 minutes and 39 seconds of useless confessions. “Don’t touch my old D&D cuz I’m emotionally insecure and I’ve built up my self-identify with it to such an extent that if anyone expresses another opinion I fly into hysterics!wha wha wha!!” Do you not know how you sound? Over a game? Where’s the perspective? Basic Expert is going “you people” all over this crap. Chill

[@doomhippie6673]

You realize he has been accused a lot here.... Just saying.

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

I've seen people totally disregard the message because who it comes from. Because it's Musk they automatically see it as wrong. There is also a weird idea that welcoming all people to the game is the same as changing the game to, in their mind, make it a better place for them when there are already a wide group of people in the hobby. Inclusion is just an excuse for changes they want to make anyway. WOTC is using people as a cover.

[@dnaseb9214]

If I am in a wheelchair. Why the F would I not want to play as a normal character ? why does my character in game need to have the handicap also ?

[@cmdreltonpoole6303]

Play White Box, eat pizza, slay goblins, explore ruins, have fun. We don't need Hasbro or WotC to have fun. Let 'em rot.

[@MedievalFantasyTV]

Sounds like a great plan. Specially the part about pizza.

[@NoFlu]

Total Goblin Death

[@chuckb6782]

pretty dishonest of Bob to make this rant without showing any of the actual content that was being referred to and instead just glossed over it like it was no big deal

[@angrytheclown801]

@@chuckb6782 You gotta remember, after the OGL scandal, WOTC invited a bunch of creators to a private party/vacation/bribery, and Bobby was one of them. He's bought and paid for.

[@bingomanzero]

I really thought Bob was coming out of the militant activism side of things. I thought he was displaying some open-minded takes. That is, until I watched this video of his. He's not only compromised, he's lost. Solid gone. It's really too bad.

[@repentantsinner7472]

Yes you can erase and slander at the same time. The end credits of the D&D movie, says “Based on Hasbro’s Dungeons and Dragons.” No reference to Gygax or Arneson. That’s erasure. The opening credits to the most recent James Bond movie reference both Albert Broccoli and Ian Fleming, who are men that haven’t been involved in James Bond movies decades but the producers still credited the original creators. The D&D that I played in the 1980’s was definitely NOT sexist or racist. And in fact, I can tell you that as an Arab American kid in the 1980’s, D&D was one of the few pop culture places that I could go to with a positive image of my native culture and that was solely due to the original creators of D&D. At the time most Americans associated the Middle East with terrorism and wars. The original D&D creators could have easily gone with the trend and made a setting where Arab themed characters were all evil. Instead we had the Emirates of Ylarum, Al-Qadim, and great modules like Pharaoh or Oasis of the White Palm. The D&D creators were inclusive before inclusive was a thing. Take a tour of Mystara and you’ll see every type of person & culture represented. Again, the original D&D creators didn’t need to do that. They could have solely focused on classic Northern European high fantasy. That would have been so easy, but they went out of their way in a pre-internet age when research was done in the library to include different cultures in their settings. There was absolutely no reason for WOTC to give a disclaimer at the beginning of their history book except to establish their woke credentials and that is what Musk was talking about. That is slander. So, yes, you can erase and slander at the same time.

[@TheBasicExpert]

I 100% agree with you on everything. The sad part is that the people today mad at Gary and old school D&D would view this actual real inclusivity as cultural appropriation. Even despite you being from the cultures in question and approving and loving the depictions.

[@WayneBraack]

I remember Bob going through old editions of d&d and claiming that the mechanics for strength doesn't allow female PC's to be as strong as male ones and that was because older editions of the game were a bit sexist. Having been a player at that time and having played with women because I was in the military none of us thought that was abnormal at all. We thought it was completely factual and representing reality.

[@xaxzander4633]

Because it is factual.

[@williamhoover6902]

@@xaxzander4633 Bingo. Bring Back Bikini Chainmail. -1 to Strength and +2 to Charisma.

[@xaxzander4633]

@@williamhoover6902 Id be happy for sanity.

[@joelkurowski7129]

5th edition started removing bio essentialism. Halflings can be just as strong as Half Orcs, for instance. A lot of people thought this was absurd. I thought, why not? They already do it for gender, which is just as absurd.

[@nostromo9743]

It is factual.

[@occasional-dabbler]

The question that strikes me is, sure Gygax et al. weren't perfect and had flaws, like every human being (whether or not I agree with the supposed 'flaws'). BUT does the book ever mention anything *positive* about Gygax or the others? Or is it just one side that gets printed? Hmm?

[@TheBayzent]

Well, it says he created D&D, even if the reason given to do it was because lynching colored people and Catholics was illegal back then (OK not so egregious but hey).

[@itsallfunandgames723]

People can come across as nice, but that doesn't mean they're cool, and it definitely doesn't mean their based, and above all it is no proof whatsoever that they are principled.

[@nschul4]

I was really surprised to see Bob come out strongly on this. I had previously thought of him as someone who tried to keep his channel a-political, which I liked. I guess I have to say I would have preferred if he hadn't done that video. I'm a fan of Bob's channel too.

[@albertonishiyama1980]

Bob is quite apollitical, but since the OGL thing (and the event where he was one of the chosen for the IRL event) he is, also, 100% in the "whatever WotC says is right" bandwagon. He ignored most of the problems the "lefties" were pilling up like AI art and firing a lot of people (probably because there was no easy way out there, like just saying "Elon bad").

[@NotYourEcho]

I don't use my characters as virtue signal avatars for my real world beliefs. If every character I played at their core was some variation of who I am irl, it would be boring af and uncreative. If having slavery in your fictional world (without some real world moral message attached) made you a supporter of slavery in actuality, that would make every DM an actual supporter of anything the intelligent evil beings they put into their games, said or did. These people have a personal inability to separate fiction/fantasy from reality. Its also why you see them writing so much of their actual world (proms, cafes, etc) into the game, and why they see orcs as certain portions of the real world population. Don't be surprised that people without the depth of an inner monologue also are deficient in the mental processing power required to enter fiction/fantasy in full earnestness.

[@sleepinggiant4062]

Very well said. They love to make outlandish declarations to validate their virtue signal.

[@Slit518]

It would be funny if Elon bought WotC out of spite.

[@KamiLight]

This is the same guy who made a top most fun ttrpgs list without playing most of them…

[@mr.bluesky4130]

?

[@justinheads5751]

@Kamilight: You are the same internet commenter who espouses leftist values while claiming to hold to the correct view on any matter of morality.

[@doomhippie6673]

How do you know?

[@mayormcnasty8308]

So not only is he wrong, he's a tourist too? Shocker, who could've seen that coming.

[@Rannos22]

Its not divisive for WotC to shit all over the founders of the hobby but it is divisive to point it out This just confirms the suspicions I've always had of people that bill themselves as "world builders" in this hobby EDIT: wow his video was way more disingenuous than I thought. "Don't look at the original statement, Elon just hates inclusion. Don't read the actual thing they're complaining about, it just says Gary was imperfect"

[@violenceislife1987]

Bob said that Elon is "anti-inclusivity" which probably is some woke term for "heretic".

[@f145hr3831jr]

Typical "anti-drama" KZbinr nonsense: "Pointing out facts is evil because it makes people mad and causes division, and anger and division are bad."

[@ludumpress6097]

We always had a rule to keep politics at the door and just play. People currently creating the game can't do that. I'm an old bugger and when we grew up D&D was for nerds and disenfranchised so 'non whites' tended to flock to D&D cos we were both on the football thugs hit list. The main point is its just not accurate about the time AD&D was written and its intent or content. PS: I purchased your AZTEC book and its a 'bloody' winner m8.

[@samdurfee6093]

The OGL revealed a lot of shills in the hobby. OHL scandal occurred and everyone said their peace and almost universally ppl weren’t happy. But just a few weeks after the fact many DND content creators fell back into shilling for Wizards as people got invited to events and started receiving review copies etc. Now the new DND is receiving all the praise from the same ppl who once criticized Wizards for the OGL scandal. It’s sad.

[@DM_Curtis]

The only thing I need to say about Bob is that physiognomy is real and predictive.

[@bkanderson2659]

Indeed. Dude needs to eat some red meat and lift the occasional dumbell.

[@xyonblade]

To be fair, the "game" that exists now is, while still called "Dungeons and Dragons" is a different game than the one created by Gygax/Arneson, so to say it was "created" by hasbro is kinda accurate in a "this isn't the game I grew up on" kind of way, because its a soy late game with hogwarts and baristas and magical wheelchairs and monsters that aren't always evil.

[@blamp666]

Musk makes spacehips... But BOB thinks his opinion is far superior, getting bold?! Eat your veggies, save a cow!

[@doomhippie6673]

Well, I remember in his video saying "I am right, you are wrong." Basically the same, hu?

[@BeardedDevil-cn9tw]

So....how was Tiamat [ see _The Dragon Queen_ ] supposed to be a dig at women's lib? Am I missing something?

[@BeardedDevil-cn9tw]

Nevermind...I found it. Good to know that much hasn't changed in 50 years

[@TheBasicExpert]

The description of her mentions womens lib at the time or something. It's clearly just a little jab or joke. Ultimately, I think it's a joke worth making, considering how that has snowballed into completely toxic misandry.

[@BeardedDevil-cn9tw]

@@TheBasicExpert agreed

[@TheBasicExpert]

@@007ohboy I've already dealt with the clearly sarcastic quote multiple times already. A woman did the layout of the 3LBBs. A woman played one of the first ever clerics and paladins. Gary published many women. But sarcasm and dry humor are lost on r*tarded leftists. Every time.

[@TheBasicExpert]

@@007ohboy I'm not reading your stupid russian novel. Go back to reddit.

[@Roukle]

Bob: "Ew Musk" Me: "But why?" Bob: "Because controversy!" Me: ?!

[@dashenwen]

I love it when people like Bob let their mask slip and show everyone their true selves.

[@AJPickett]

"I feel the need to get ahead of.." why? For the views the clickbait pulls in, or out of fear that the skittlehair hatemob is going to pull you back into the crab bucket and eat you alive if you don't tow the party line... I knew where it was going to moment Bob could barely contain his bias against Elon Musk. Yeah, no thanks Bob, I'm not scared of my own subscribers and your motives are suss.

[@JDReC100]

@@AJPickett Im somewhat surprised to see you here. But yeah, that video was definitely a mask off moment.

[@Adamthegeek70]

Here is the thing, none of this is true by any sense of reality. I've been playing since 1983. There is no bigotry in D&D never has been. No girls wanted to play back then. Period. The people who played got picked on. Hell, I was even beaten up multiple times, and my foster parents burned my books. I didn't get any women to play till Vampire the Masquerade came out. Hot fantasy women?... you ever see the fantasy men in the game? I don't look like Conan, John Carter, or any of them. Stupid complaint. Races?... this is what they were called in Tolkien. That is what they were called in the game. "Fighting men" from the original game... who usually fights on the front lines historically. ?? Thats why they were called that... it wasn't a slight against women. All of this is stupid. This 'bigotry' only exists in the minds of virtue signaling people looking for something to hate. And anyone who defends WOTC and this kind of revisionist hate mongering is a virtue signaling turd. Bob got downvoted, I unsubscribed and blocked his channel. And I will do the same to any channel that perpetuates this kind of slander. Period. IDGAF what side of the political debate people are on... most of it is made up by the elites in either party. They all suck, and I don't want their garbage. Especially not in our games.

[@DennisCNolasco]

Definitely, I remember the jocks stealing my friend's D&D books (he was the DM) and playing keep away from him. Actually, we did have one girl who would play sometimes, but she was part of the nerd crowd (I think she was the only so called "nerd" that was in our grade). My mom used to complain about my D&D books, so I just never had them out in front of her.

[@arkdeniz]

I too had my first DnD game back in 1983 and I’ll see your sample size of one experience with my own. My very first game in 83 had girls playing in it. I remember quite clearly that they were the only other players willing to help me when my PC was turned into a crystal tree (but I digress). Gygax was no Saint Cuthbert. He was no Bargle. There was some dodgy material in those early works that wouldn’t get published now. But people can still play that way if they want to. Nobody, not WotC, not Bob, can prevent you doing so. Don’t worry what others are saying. Go have fun.

[@graveyardshift2100]

Fighting-Man actually comes from (yes the various military terms like pikemen, but also) the old English language using man as just a shortened version of human. There were even words to designate male and female, wereman and wifman. Calling the class Fighting-Man was literally just the wargamers being history nerds.

[@ericm3327]

He was told “we don’t like Elon musk anymore” and he makes that assertion and wraps everything else around that

[@johnbarnett921]

I remember going through the entire slave lords module series with a human fighter. The slavers were evil and were never presented otherwise. We shattered chains and freed countless beings. We fought on and on fir the freedom of innocent people, until at last, on a ship built atop the shell of a Dragon Turtle, we brought justice to the vile slavers and ended their crimes. It was Epic! We were good. They were evil. Good defeated evil, as was intended from the beginning.

[@Bluedruid13]

I saw part of his video this morning and I immediately unsubscribed from him.

[@George713M]

Yeah, it's completely messed up to slander people who are dead while profiting off their work. It disgusts (most?) normal people. Also I think a lot of us get naturally repulsed by seeing people being 'triggered' by random things and wallowing, like it's kind of repulsive. But I also agree we shouldn't spend that much time focusing on these people because it darkens everything.

[@TheBasicExpert]

Choose the battles. I don't care about 6e much, for example. It's a lost cause. But calling the edition I like racist and bad is something where I will step up and push back.

[@theexistentialnihilist2070]

These people need to filter every human interaction through some kind of Beurocracy. If I rock up to a game and someone starts handing out consent forms, I'm leaving right there and then..

[@egg465]

Bob really is a soft boiled egg in a wet washcloth

[@JackMcCarthyWriter]

As exciting as a glass of mineral water

[@BusyBadger]

Stop, you're inflating his ego. Dude needs to eat some meat and go to the gym.

[@jnlsnfamily8747]

he's a cuck

[@whitepanth3r]

Bob is shilling harder than I have ever seen anyone shill. Very sad and pathetic

[@blacklodgegames]

Big yikes and not ok!

[@johntheherbalistg8756]

My opinion: be lost access after his ogl thoughts went live, and to prevent that in the future, he's going to bat for his corporate overlords. It's sad but predictable. Guess there's yet another dungeontuber I'm not watching anymore

[@albertonishiyama1980]

I think it's less about lost access and more about being extremelly naive. When he did his video explaining how the "OGL reputation repair event" went, and how he was love bombed by WotC while being forced to have bad interactions with the "bad" content creators being repetitive for hours every day (a thing that he himself admits was predeterminated by WotC, altough he ignores it as "just bad planning") i was screaming "that's literally cult behavior, dumbass!"... Aparently he still believes in the WotC brainwash.

[@johntheherbalistg8756]

@albertonishiyama1980 You have more faith in humanity than I do. I don't think he's naive. I think he's cynical, dishonest and looking to protect his income. Also, from the way he was talking, he's probably woke, so he likely agrees on some level that Gary Gygax was a bad person

[@justinheads5751]

Let us not forget that one of the main reasons why Bob and the other cultists don't think that the OG d&d crew is being slandered, is because through the lens of their worldview and value system, they would actually like to say a lot MORE, and lot STRONGER worded in the negative direction. But let us not think that they hold back out of mercy, magnanimity, or just a sheer inability to not credit them where they're due. Nay. It is merely to obfuscate their own hypocrisy and double standards, considering all of them base their lives and careers around the work of a group of people that they consider to be completely and totally beneath them in any and every sense of the phrase.

[@keoghanwhimsically2268]

25:34 Oh, man, how does he think he can get away with lying like this? “They were just pointing out that he was a businessman trying to make D&D bigger”? Though that would even be a charitable way to say what he says, what does that have to do with what’s written in the foreword. Does he think no one will check the source material so he can get away with spitting out whatever lies suit his argument? This is worse than shilling. This is basic disinformation.

[@WARDICON]

The only reason Bob was so upset about the OGL scandal was because he has created a game. Which would have affected his wallet. Now that his game is being produced he is back on the WOTC bandwagon. Gary Gygax changed my life for the better. He unlocked my imagination and took me to worlds I would not have found on my own. I’m glad that Elon called out WOTC because he’s a prominent figure in society today and he can see their endgame.

[@kennethdavis3736]

This reminds me of the OGL fiasco all over again. WOTC and BWB both dramatically underestimated gamer's respect for DND's creators. We will NOT tolerate WOTC looking down their nose at Gary Gygax as they make a luxurious living off the game that he created. As they hurl insults, innuendo and accusations at Gygax, they are effectively telling us how they are much better people than Gygax and by extension the rest of us. Note to WOTC hacks... You have two choices here, you can either praise Gygax for creating this entire gaming genre that allows you to live your cushy lives OR you can say nothing.

My years of fighting on the internet about the tabletop roleplaying hobby did not improve my enjoyment of the activity itself so far. I might even honor the legacy of Gary and others better by sitting down with friends and playing the hell out of their ideas.

[@nikolibarastov4487]

To the slavery comment they keep harping on, one of the classic old-school modules is called against the slave Lords but that's not convenient to their plot. There are many other things that are misrepresentative that they have said

[@deansthedevil1]

There is enough logistics and inventory record keeping in most TTRPGs no need to create an actual real world bureaucracy complete with an HR dept.

[@BX-advocate]

These people are so slimy in their methods. They try to come off as good and virtuous but deep down they just want control and tell you how to live.

[@SNDurgon]

The moment Bob was like "umm actually it's the 50th anniversary" and "I think he spelled that wrong" while giggling to himself, his video lost all credibility to me. That's some reddit level pettiness right there.

[@RealmBuilderGuy]

The “issue” people like Bob is that if someone they don’t like (e.g., Musk) says something similar to what they (e.g., Bob) say then it must be bad to even a) have the association with said person, b) must defend what said person attacks regardless of what it is. It’s a sad byproduct of the “thought bubbles” environment that has been created.

[@lincolnmartin7743]

Honestly, I wrote off Bob after he accepted the offer from WOTC to get an exclusive preview of 5.5. Hell, at least Judas got 30 pieces of silver. Bob sold his soul for half a sandwich and a cigarette.

[@James-q1m7jjim]

GARY GYGAX wrote in the PHB for 1st. Edition AD&D, "D&D players, happily come in all shapes and sizes, and even a fair number of women are counted among those who regularly play the game-making Dungeons & Dragons somewhat special in this regard. This widespread appeal cuts across many boundaries of interest and background, which means that D&D players are marked by a wide range of diversity" So much for the lies of all those moralistic liars using one thing he said-in jest-to smear him and his legacy.

[@KeyserSoze1972]

Bob is a activist clearly. I would never dm a game with him

[@mirilion79]

I refuse to give my money to WOTC or any other woke company for any reason whatsoever. Wallet closed. "I identify as non-buynary". No need to argue with anybody, just walk away.

[@ryannilsson7955]

Thanks for pushing back on this bull crap, Jon!

[@TheBasicExpert]

This is an important thing to push back on.

[@KingSpectre844]

19:25 Oh no, the Liche's crypt isn't wheelchair accessible

[@Double_DAW]

There’s a big difference between “Every dungeon is wheelchair accessible” and “This character is in a wheelchair they or an artificer designed to be able to tackle dungeons so they could adventure”. One is lazy, the other is actually an interesting character. Disabilities are only laughable or boring if you choose to view them that way.

[@ryan.1990]

Based, light up these "gamers" with obvious behind the camera deals with WoTC. Yes you, Ginny D

[@randalsnyder4821]

Consent forms are great filters to identify players that cannot handle mature content. As a GM, I will gladly tell my potential players, "this campaign won't be right for you." If their "triggers" will interfere with my GMing style, I don't want them in my game.

[@Tora58]

Attacking the dead is classless. I don't care if you like them or not.

[@xaviersandoval1765]

@@Tora58 What's wrong with criticising the thoughts and actions of people who are dead? Sometimes people who are dead did things that we recognize as not being good, and I don't see how pointing that out is a problem. I don't see what the issue is with saying "hey, our hobby does have some problematic elements in its past, and we want to address that."

[@MagnificentDevil]

​@xaviersandoval1765 Because they're slander and lies designed to assassinate their character and erase their contributions, and aside from Rob Kuntz aren't around to correct the record. It isn't an honest critique, it is a smear campaign.

[@Tora58]

@@xaviersandoval1765 I was pretty precise with my word choice. The fact that you changed my words in order to attempt to discount what I meant because you know I am correct. There is a huge difference between "Gygax was a terrible business owner." and "Gygax was a ". One is a criticism, the other is an attack. There is a huge difference in this. Thus: attacking the dead, as I said is classless.

[@Tora58]

@@MagnificentDevil well said

[@xaviersandoval1765]

@@Tora58 Execept they didn't call Gygax any emotionally charged words. I'm watching the same video you are, and all they mentioned were facts about how the original game included outdated language that some people found hurtful, and that some problematic elements surrounding women seemed intentional, which is not at all surprising considering that he did, in fact, make specific remarks degrading the concept of women's liberation, and had a history of saying some not so great things about women. I changed the words to be more charitable to you, because it makes you look less insane if you simply were using the word "attack" in a hyperbolic manner. But apparently you actually do believe they legitimately attacked him, for simply pointing out facts about some problematic elements of early DnD.

[@yazuki-wolf]

Halfway through the forward I was thinking, Ok that's not that bad, then they went full slander in the second half calling the creators intentional misogynists.

[@TheBasicExpert]

@@yazuki-wolf yeah they didn't have to go the route they went.

[@KyrndomWolf]

TBE Your right on target as usual and a great vlogger of ttrpg gaming and news. I also like Loki's Lair and Geek Gamer. Bob is a brown nosing WOTC shill that should be called out as such. Thank you TBE!

[@ketchupguns]

Where is Bob's Trump meltdown tiktok?

[@justinheads5751]

Bob's unintentionally showing how and why leftism and sociopathy have such a strong correlation. It requires the use of conditional hypotheticals to understand beliefs, motivations, etc, that you disagree with. If you're a normal person, you can grasp that even though you disagree with their ideas, they're not necessarily motivated by villainy. But you see, one of the central traits of sociopaths is that they lack this ability to employ conditional hypotheticals. The rise of people telling people what "they really mean" is also the rise of sociopathy in our society, one is a symptom of the other.

[@TheBasicExpert]

Good observation. I have encountered this inability to understand hypotheticals in almost every person of this mindset I've interacted with.

[@justinheads5751]

@@TheBasicExpert Same here. The correlation between far left identitarian ideology, and the inability to employ conditional hypotheticals, is nigh 1:1. It's frightening what it bodes for the future, given the ideological age demographic breakdown, at least as it currently stands. we got a lot of heads to wake up to the hateful and close minded propaganda they've been sold.

[@s2korpionic]

"I tried to objectively react to Bob Worldbuilder's bad take here... I failed." You didn't. You'd fail if you didn't call a spade a spade, but you did it here. Being objective does not mean unfairly diplomatic to both/any parties involved.

[@Thraxis]

Bob is dead to me, his take was horrible , he thinks WotC is somehow better then Elon

[@TheBasicExpert]

Yeah, very bizarre choice.

[@Tomeroche]

His takes have been shit for a while. I started watching him to have some simple guides to a couple campaign books I was running. But as time went on and he started giving his ideas about how to simplify the system into another version of FATE and defending the various bits making the edition worse like retcons and safety tools I just dropped him. Funnily enough he kinda reminds me of Thunderfoot with his tone and looks, which makes it funnier he's going after Elon. Makes me wonder if in 10 years we're going to see him self destruct just as badly into going full lolcow.

[@aaronsomerville2124]

If you look at his comments in his own video, he comes out and states that while he (Bob) and WOTC are pro-inclusivity, Elon is dramatically anti-inclusivity. Bob has his mouth firmly around Satan's member.

[@cp1cupcake]

I don't get why he thinks that Musk talking about D&D is inherently a bad thing. I wonder if Bob would think the same if it was Elon singing praises of the new direction.

[@anthonybernard7196]

Mask off moments like this cause me to worry about other dnd KZbinrs that I enjoy

[@slydoorkeeper4783]

I'll just say, if they primarily cover 5e, always be questioning. Mostly just because of the audience alone.

[@violenceislife1987]

I saw bob saying things about ppl beinf "anti-inclusive" whuch has me wondering what that even means.

[@Marinealver]

Lol KZbin trues recommending his channel to me. After a bunch of dislikes 👎 I went back to that recommendation and told KZbin to SHOVE IT!

[@Ptwhite]

I'm in agreement with your video and I think some of the representations that don't seem to make as much sense like wheelchairs offer other fun adult themes to mess around with. Take the wheelchair concept and combine it with the level 20 Shop or Barkeep trope and after they hand the adventurers back their boots and weapons in the street can describe the dangers of getting careless.

[@shinigamiauthor]

people deserve what they tolerate, and Bob Shill Builder deserves the hasbro/wotc he is excited for

[@badmojo0777]

he openly says it snot his favorite game LMFAO, try again....

[@steved1135]

Excellent point. I made this point in response to Bob's video, after struggling with a response. Bob seems to think there's no harm in doing certain things, but that's just naivete.

[@arcxjo]

10:30 FYI you can't "literally slander" someone in a book. You can literally libel them, but slander has to be out loud. What BWB is doing *is*, however, slanderous.

[@TheBasicExpert]

I know.

[@MalakyoftheOSR]

Bob is inclusion this and inclusion that, but he doesn't want real inclusion. He wants inclusion based on skin color, sexual preference, and gender. Elon wants inclusion of thought, which is the most important type of inclusion to me. I did not join Twitter until after Elon bought it because some of my conservative leanings would not be welcome on the platform. I guess Bob wants to gatekeep me from the hobby because of that. Sorry Bob, I have been her since the 90s and I am not leaving.

[@calvanoni5443]

But your a Big Fat White Person, That's all that's needed! 😉