How the 'Reverse Kingdom Come' Theory is KEY to James Gunn's SUPERMAN

How the 'Reverse Kingdom Come' Theory is KEY to James Gunn's SUPERMAN - We discuss James Gunn DC Universe covering Superman and how Kingdom Come can influence the movie, with the Reverse Kingdom Come Theory. Getting into superman teasers which reveals connections in Superman Legacy, Superman Legacy plot theories and more DCU Gods and Monsters, DCU Batman, Justice League, and factoring in other DCU News, DCU Leaks and more!
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[@claudiabcarvalho]

This new Kigdom Come is meta. It's DC reflecting on its DCEU, on its branched fanbase, on the way people in general feel about kindness, justice, violence, and heroism. It's an onscreen and offscreen conversation at the same time, and that's truly meaningful. I couldn't be more excited for Superman.

[@aaronmoyer4722]

A+ observation. This movie couldn’t be more timely

[@TitanOfTomorrow]

Exactly what I think 🔥🔥

[@kittenonthekeys8369]

Damn. Never thought bout this b4

[@mischiefcat]

It's true for marvel too

[@akwilson1676]

Damn this just makes me even more hyped for this film

[@kanezona4429]

CANNOT WAIT for the DCU to start dropping films and debuting new series’s!

[@AlkalineInsides]

Which series are you most anticipating?

[@Jaylobeans]

@@AlkalineInsidesThe box

[@yusuf4642]

@@AlkalineInsidesthe Series I am Excited for is Lanterns and the Film I am Anticipating is Brave and the Bold

[@davidking9729]

The projects from James gunns DCU is 1) The Brave and the bold 2)Lanterns 3) Superman 4) Teen Titans 5) Waller 6) Arkham series 7) Supergirl Woman of tomorrow 8) Booster Gold 9) The Authority 10) Paradise Lost 11) Peacemaker season 2 12) Swamp Thing 13) Creature Commandos

[@davidking9729]

This is my order of excitement

[@marcusyates3044]

In the Kingdom Come comics, the heroes lost their moral compass; that won't be the case for the movie, thank goodness

[@suryasingh9738]

Hopefully it's the reverse in the sense that they develop one instead.

[@usernamesmeannothing]

Well that was a parody of the anti-heroes in comics at the time. Like Punisher and Cable. You still have that now, too. So, to go full circle on the optimist angle, I think it'd be cool if there was Magog and the others in that film to contrast the old heroes.

[@claudiabcarvalho]

This time, the public lost their moral compass

[@marcusyates3044]

@@claudiabcarvalho Like Superman vs. the Elite, right?

[@suryasingh9738]

@@claudiabcarvalho So it's up to Superman and the other heroes to show them the right path. I like that, I like that a lot!

[@OnionSavoya-jf5hz]

If you read the Kingdom Come story. What happened to the Superhero is what's happening to our culture thanks to social media

[@Zafire94]

100% agree

[@filthycasual8187]

I don't agree. Social media's not the cause of this; the foundations were laid decades ago by Generation X and just took their sweet time coming to fruition. Gen X were probably the worst parenting generation and Millennials aren't much better. Time will tell what Gen Z is like.

[@oatmat]

It's Kingdom Come meets The New Frontier is what he's taking (he's posted about both). There also very similar stories(New Frontier, will probably be a modern version of it)

[@Zafire94]

Those and superman for all seasons and all star superman

[@rcbmmines4579]

Indeed. The two stories are arguably the top two greatest in DC, and they share a lot of core similarities. They’re both stories about the entire DC Universe which tackle its rich history and related it to the present in a meta sense. The idealist heroism of the past is crushed in the present, but then returns to bring a new future. They’re stories about changing the world for the better by remembering the past and improving upon it instead of losing it.

[@iainriley8819]

Lex's league of humanity , Vandal Savage, Ra,s al Goul , Olli quin, Shazam and under cover Bruce etc

[@brucelau2023]

CANNOT WAIT for the DCU to start dropping films and etc especially with how Kingdom Come has been one of my favorite stories in DC Comics history

[@bigshaq1029]

Maybe it won’t be Ultraman, but Bizarro, at first he is normal clone but with time falls apart and becomes Bizarro.

[@christophehelmick2464]

I hope Gunn does as good as he did with guardians now is the time to do a good job you know with marvel falling apart

[@rodneyohrt5741]

He wont

[@hotsizler305]

​@@rodneyohrt5741 why?

[@legotimefuntime5438]

I’m glad the film is kept under wraps, because I wanna be surprised when I watch the movie. Just like the old days.

[@regishel]

Superman 2011 in the comics was inspired by/Idolizing Iron Munro, Clark was reading comics about Iron Munro as a kid. Iron Munro was a member of an old team much like JSA called "All Star Squadron", it had members from the JSA like Star-Spangled Kid, Doctor Fate, Wildcat, Original Sandman, Hawkman, Jay Garrick, Commander Steel, The Atom, Original Mister Terrific and Doctor Mid-Nite. My point is that it's almost like Superman was already idolizing a character Related to the JSA👀

[@kingtiger5040]

Wasn't that the Superman of the 1980s instead?

[@kistertheartistt]

My personal idea is characters like The Authority function like the The Seven in The Boys. The Authority is basically owned by major companies, (maybe Lexcorp?) and superheroing is a lot of antiheroes and morally grey metahumans. But "freelance" superheroes, like Superman, are an existential threat to their existence, because they point out that heroes should be about hope and saving lives. Hence why one of the characters in Superman is The Engineer, as a gateway into that theme.

[@panthergod]

That's basically Mark Millar abd Grant Morrisons final Authority arc...

[@JamealTaylor]

I really hope they give us the monster Metamorpho, like in Young Justice

[@The_Randumb_Channel]

I have been saying for a while that a reverse Kingdom Come storyline would be the best way to really showcase why Superman is special, I truly hope this is the route Gunn is taking this universe.

[@berzerkrbloodmane3852]

Gunn has mentioned SEVERAL times that everything is connected. My Adventures with Superman is setting up the movie. He has said several times that superman will be superman in the DCU.

[@BobaTalks]

It's not lol

[@JayDrew8789]

Inspiring people to be better is what Superman does, Kingdom Come Theory or not. It's something he would do, regardless of the costume inspiration.

[@marktheshark7588]

The Kingdom Come story has been one of my favourite stories in DC comics.Can't wait to see Gunn's Superman on the big screen.

[@justinreda6684]

I’m just so hyped for whatever is in store

[@rcbmmines4579]

I and a lot of people definitely had similar theories around the same time. For me it’s less “reverse” but more like an Early Kingdom Come. I’ve left comments here before that you saw (like that one about the other heroes being JSA legacies) but yeah, Clark being inspired by the idealistic heroes of the past and bringing that heroism back for a better future will be the core of the story, but instead of him being part of that past generation and the story having him at the end of his career, it’s early on. I’m still hoping for a 5 year long career at this point, and considering the N52 influence on the suit that fits because the present day N52 stories started 5 years into his career.

[@darraghmcconn]

It's been a long time coming but I cannot wait for the DCU to begin. Gunn could not have described what the universe will look like any better. And thinking the very same as your theories Boba, well said bro

[@WallyB.]

Hey, what’s that clip you always use of James Gunn talking like at 0:07 ? I try to watch all his interviews and I’ve never seen this one

[@RandomGuyWhoMakesVideos]

ik same here bro!

[@silverdragon3132]

It is from I believe an WB access. Maybe it was Fandome, the last one before Zaslov pulled the plug on all fandome stuff

[@damien1781]

Do better research

[@toulouseeverything]

Theory I just realised. Its not an image of Superman putting on his costume, 😊itd his clone in the Luthor Building above the. Brainiac 5 tech levels

[@travisfilms9338]

I think this could be great!

[@Werewolf914]

I can definitely see this happening and I'd love it

[@dobi287]

I don't know if I'm the viewer you are talking about that said they think Clark was probably inspired by heroes of old ie the JSA etc But I also think the AUTHORITY will be the most popular hero group when we enter this world the premiere group this world's SE7EN if you will. And I think this newbie Superman will be one of the founders of the justice LEAGUE then end up rivaling and eventually coming to blows with and overtaking the authority

[@TJBeyonder2814]

I’m curious but worried about James new dc universe I hope it’s good

[@netzach21]

I feel like they're going to become the greatest heroes because of the morals and actions and not because the dialogue says they will

[@anihrichard4087]

Why haven't you discussed about the my adventures with superman show and how for the first time in history, they tweaked superman origins, made it more interesting and how it could be cool if James gunn did so too with superman, that's if dc fans don't come with their backlash as usual 😂😂

[@kevz2474]

The DC online trailer was better than everything Snyder made. lol

[@damien1781]

Lemon nope

[@powergirl7619]

I LIKE THE FACT THAT HE HAS A HANDSOME LEX. LIKE THE SAME AGE AS SUPERMAN. NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE!

[@iainriley8819]

No one agreed with me when I said it , especially as Magog was Supermans creation as Sup's turned his back on Gog before he was Magog .

[@mattlannon]

"Reverse Kingdom Come" is an awesome concept, man! Allow me to ask, what are your thoughts on The New Frontier? I believe Gunn is actually following the roadmap of The New Frontier, a great mirror to Kingdom Come. The DCU is building towards the rise of contemporary heroes, moving on from DC's old-school ways. Literally and thematically. The JSA and Suicide Squad are not frontline fighters anymore; the dark & gritty DCEU is not cool anymore. Out with the old, in with the new. I just read DC: The New Frontier. The first couple chapters follow this concept. The JSA are forced into retirement while Superman & WW are forced to step up. It's the passing of the mantle from JSA to JLA. Superman is forced to create his legacy. I should add, one of the early chapters of the book is actually titled "Gods & Monsters". The New Frontier is actually a perfect set up for Kingdom Come. I hope in 10-12 years we see a Kingdom Come adaptation in which Kal El comes out of retirement to overthrow & re-inspire his legacy.

[@ThePoisonFurry]

I am very excited for this

[@doggodproductions2259]

To piggy back off your point about Lex backing the more extreme heroes, I honestly think that Lex is going to "create" The Engineer, or at least, he'll be the one to transplant her blood with machines. That would work really well, especially considering it seems she's out to get Supes, at first (based on the fact that we know she was filming at the Fortress of Solitude location, along with David and very few others).

[@Jony_127]

From the way this movie is sounding it could be better than the current mcu

[@GetBased]

I'll give it a chance but I expect very little from the industry right now.

[@ToBy11334]

When I see the notification, I come.

[@DocDoccus]

Somebody PLEASE give James Gunn a COMB.

[@2DVis]

Would be great if we get some love shown to the JSA era characters. Maybe in the vain of smallville. There could be this old generation of heroes lost to time some died off, maybe killed, and others quietly retired. I think that could work well

[@ThePoisonFurry]

A reverse Kingdom Come would be amazing

[@user-vv8hw5jk4z]

To be honest I love the new Superman suit I really don't understand people who are like it looks ugly it looks to big or fat they don't like the neck the collar is great because it doesn't have that high turtleneck collar from new 52 i did not like that but it does have a smaller better looking collar the the boots are perfect they look like the boots from Superman the animated series the trunks are back the pants look perfect as well and I like the way they made the new 52 costume sleeves the cape looks good too I like the lining in the suit especially around the crest on the shoulders near the cape I think it's so different from any other Superman suit we have seen in live acton action and different doesn't mean bad changes are good the suit is definitely not what I expected but it's a 10 out of 10

[@leochao2594]

Hey boba, have you considered that the movie may also take influence from Superman vs The Elite and Superman/Batman: Public enemies as well as Kingdom Come? For example maybe Lex Luthor runs for President and enlists a team of superheroes that hold the more extreme values of the elite or Magog from kingdom come, and that it is Superman’s role to show the world they are wrong. Thanks for the great work!

[@oleschool2241]

I wouldn't be surprised if James has plans for Toyman 🤔

[@jamesdavid2893]

That rushed togther unfitted suit to make a promo shot has me limp, I thought I might somewhat get a semi of excitement, instead I got a chopped up basketball shoved on a nakeshift suit with a giant beam in the sky. I hope that was intentional to get my blood pumping at a later date.

[@adamrielh]

Would love to hear your thoughts on my adventures with Superman season 2!

[@ThePoisonFurry]

It'll be cool that heroes already exist and have existed for a while

[@user-vv8hw5jk4z]

I know James Gunn said that this movie is not going to be a origin story I hope we don't get to see any of Krypton or it blowing up I kind of want the movie to start with Clarks spaceship falling from the sky Martha and Jonathan Kent see what they think is a meteor falling they go to see where is crashed down and they find baby Clark in the spaceship that's it after that the title of the movie comes up and we start with Clark at The daily planet

[@ToneDesh]

Theory makes a lot of sense.

[@ShinAkakage]

This “Reverse Kingdom Come” theory sounds like Superman inspiring Batman to do better in BvS. Or Superman using theatricality to defeat he the elite while teaching them a better way.

[@JCCyC]

...Kingdom Go?

[@littlemiss_76]

It makes sense not to have that many origins in the DCU as DC has been around for a very long time and we pretty much know the origins.

[@TheBombayMasterTony]

Sounds cool.

[@brickity1447]

I think it would be cool if the Reverse Kingdom come would honestly be a major plot point throughput the whole of Chapter 1. We could see some heroes like Mr Terrific or Metamorpho who may or may not have done some questionable things. But then the idea could be leaned into more hard-core in Rated R projects like peacemaker season 2. Like The Boys' style. Imagen seeing peacemaker having to beat the shit out of a coked up Midnighter (I know random character, but that's what James Gunn does best).

[@brickity1447]

Also, speaking of Midnighter, he's in the video at the bottom at 15:37

[@ExleyConfidential]

"Kingdom Come" meets "What's So Funny About Truth..."

[@powergirl7619]

SO GLAD THAT KEPT THIS MOVIE UNDER WRAPS. USUALLY THEY TELL MOVIES OR SHOW TOO MUCH. THEN NO ONE WANTS TO SEE IT.

[@hugowonder7800]

Well said

[@dblshotz75]

I hope we get Power Girl at some point and shes comic book accurate.

[@loserliam2362]

How do we know the justice league doesn't already exist? Superman could be in or leading the team idk

[@franklinfernandes5593]

Hear me out, Lex gives a 'random guy' Superman-like power, ala Vought, and people love him, because he "gets things done" But with time he becomes something like Homelander (maybe a little less fu**ed-up), and the rest is just a recreation of 'Superman vs The Elite'

[@garrettwimer1241]

The halo music 🎵🎵🎵

[@hotterblood]

Kingdom Come really illustrates why I didn’t like Snyder’s take on Superman. Batman can be gritty and Wonder Woman can be arrogant and the Flash can be a bit of a goof, but Superman has to be the utterly trustworthy Big Blue Boy Scout.

[@Originalclouds]

No shade but its actually impressive how long you stretched this video out to be

[@thenub6074]

Snyder batman was only in year 2!?

[@shkarzakaria2108]

no matt's batman

[@Brook11223]

Well does feel like a reset since events of Justice League appearing in the finale of Peacemaker is excluded. It's almost like a doppelganger universe starting from season 2 of Peacemaker and moving forward. The Authority maybe will serve as the new age of heroes kind of serving as the live action version of The Elite who take Justice to the extreme which won't sit well with Superman the other veteran Heroes which could lead to a Civil War of sorts between two different Hero factions. Kindness can be dangerous because being naïve is never good.

[@user-kw8cb3rd8f]

I'm sorry if this may be unrelated to the video, but I saw on reddit that supergirl may replace Superman and wonder woman as the main protagonist of the DCU. Where's this rumor coming from?

[@BrutalVengeance89184]

No idea and you need to stop following DC rumors

[@John_808]

Who TF cares about supergirl anyway 😂 Gunn also knows it He is just gonna make one Supergirl movie and end it Superman is ofc the main Wtf ur talkin How can supergirl replace SUPERMAN No one will watch the movies if Supergirl became the main character 😂

[@BrutalVengeance89184]

@@John_808 everyone cares

[@RyanG0899]

​@@BrutalVengeance89184Not really. The entire DCU could run its course without her and miss out on nothing.

[@zak.aexp02]

It was during the flash movie in DCEU before gunn became the head of DC studios.

[@humdi2573]

it was Shazam who made the heroic act not Superman. Kingdom come supes is not the ideal superman only his wisdom. So I dont understand how this story could work for a young superman in gunns movie. Kingdom come is a tale told in the eyes of someone who has the power to judge and was humbled by the resilience of a guilty(shazam) to admit mistake and atone through a heroic act. That us the gist of kingdom come how in the world can gunn pul this off with the set of chars he has chosen. It just way to muddled already.

[@humdi2573]

"reverse kingdome come" makes it sound like it is an awful opposite version of its source material, i rather call it bootleg kingdome come instead.

[@user-yourlost]

They better have epic flying scenes and the best action scenes out of any Superman movie that's ever been made before ...and I'll say this man of steel has the best ending fight scene out of any live action movie I've ever seen to this day still so they better make better action than man of steel

[@HANDLESET1ONE]

LOL INCREDIBLE HULK & ALL AVENGERS 1,2,3,4 & Sam Rami SPIDERMAN 3 & X MEN 3 & X MEN First Class & CAPTAIN AMERICA 2,3 & GOTG 3 & Little Bit SHANG CHI & BLUE BEATLE & First AQUAMAN Too. Some Movies Like BLADE Trilogy Last Action NOT Remember, But These Movies Last Ending Actions VERY EPIC.

[@silverdragon3132]

To be fair, Bruce has tried to kill Joker twice. Both times either the hypocritical Big Blue Boy Scout stopped him, or Commissioner Gordon who made it clear if he ever did kill Joker, that he would have the GCPD rip Gotham apart to get to him.

[@flavioalbatrozz2557]

Its gonna be a mixture of kingdom come and superman vs Elite. That's it. Bye.

[@UNSAMU3L]

I still imagine Nate Mann as Superman so idk what you want to do with that information

[@RyanG0899]

David Corenswet looks much closer to Superman than he does.

[@KainsTorment]

Also it drives me insane how most directors take a very famous Graphic Novel and then just completely change it and they wonder why we hate their movie 🤦

[@mgs2014]

Men this is a bad plan for dcu.

[@BrutalVengeance89184]

Shut up

[@John_808]

Guy Gardner, metamorpho, engineer, hawkgirl, mr terrific and Batman we are the best superheros🤡 Superman: but I am the god 🗿

[@BrutalVengeance89184]

Cut it out

[@RayzlerAnimations]

He's not a God, this is the mindset that ruined Superman in the DCEU

[@Son_0f_Jor-el]

Soooo Lex trying to frame Superman like Lex did in bvs in Africa and the capitol explosion? LMAO bruh

[@normbecker95]

Going back to the boy scout, Donner, Christopher Reeves version of Superman is a TERRIBLE Idea. IMO Gunn is going to fail miserably with this endeavor. Society and the viewing public aren't now going to accept a 1960s version/plot of Superman that the Donner version was going for. The reality is that in 2024 society at large isn't going to accept a super hero movie that doesn't have collateral damage, and oh, on the way Superman saves a cat from a tree. That works in My Adventures with Superman, but that's a cartoon.

[@quirob3]

Oh reaaaally?

[@KainsTorment]

James Gunn has already has me fuming but Kingdom Come Superman is old and one of the many lies James Gunn has told is that he got rid of Henry Cavill because he was too old. Henry is just 100% better than David… David just looks like a cheap knock off in everything I see regarding Superman

[@TitanOfTomorrow]

That’s illogical. What part of REVERSE kingdom come do you not understand? Young supes is the NEW hero coming into a world full of already morally off heroes. Did you even watch the video?

[@KainsTorment]

@@TitanOfTomorrow yeah I did and its a shame its a reverse Kingdom Come though but I guess he needed a excuse to get Henry out. Anyway it's pretty obvious. this movie will sadly fail

[@TitanOfTomorrow]

​@@KainsTorment Yeah, unlike the big, successful DCEU that couldn't make a buck. 🙄Henry could've been great, I agree, but he's older, he was in like three movies, and each one flopped. The Snyderverse is dead, bury it. Superman may not make a ton, but it'll at least do double of MOS.

[@KainsTorment]

@@TitanOfTomorrow LMFAO 🤣 that’s the biggest load bollox I’ve ever heard haha. Thanks for the laughter 😂

[@derekwaters8683]

​@kryptonrising LMAO you think Gunns movie is going to make 1.3 billion dollars???????????

[@rodneyohrt5741]

James gunn needs to go

[@FactsDontCareAboutFeelings_97]

Ah this movie is literally going to suck ass no matter what Gunn does.

[@mateoedwin4202]

Movies gonna be awesome, we are finally getting a full fletched DC universe

[@StanislausLeiber]

Worst looking Superman ever Created. He looks like the Drunk, Evil Superman from Superman 3.