Bobs' 223 Bulk Bullets - higher velocity this time!

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Today we continue our testing with the 55 grain Bobs' Bulk Bullets from 223bulkbullets.com. Today's test powders are Hodgdon H335 and CFE 223.
About the test gun:
18" White Oak Armament SPR barrel 1:8 mid-gas 223 Wylde
Wilson Combat adjustable gas block
Upper, handguard, BCG from Palmetto State Armory
Anderson lower with a Magpul PRS stock
Standard rifle buffer and spring
CMC 3.5 lbs flat trigger
Burris PEPR scope base
Vortex Viper HS 4-16x44 scope
GG&G Bipod
Silencerco Omega suppressor and flash hider
UPDATED 09/27/2018 - All links have been removed to comply with KZbin content policies.
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[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

Four more patrons and we'll be at 50! Amazing response to my begging and I truly appreciate it! www.patreon.com/reloading Check out West Desert Shooter's channel...he does some cool reloading in addition to designing sweet vinyl goo.gl/ZNVJAK

[@tubaplayer-sw3il]

Johnny's Reloading Bench i think the reloading mat is a great idea.

[@WestDesertShooter]

Johnny's Reloading Bench thank you sir! I really appreciate the shout out, i have some questions about your mat. Send me an email at Westdesertshooter at Gmail dot com, or anyone that has a question about stickers! Thanks man.

[@glock17games]

Can you add something like a tip jar to your patreon? I can understand if you only want recurring payments. But it could be a option to get some more for people who like to tip occasionally, like me.

[@allenroblin2372]

Johnny's Reloading Bench have you ever used IMR 4895 in your .223 ? Used it in my 22-250 shot my best group .560at 100yds and several other sub minute groups. Was quite surprised.

[@garret2560]

4 years later and I'm still waiting for those mats to come out

[@dontbetreadin4777]

5 years now......

[@darkdraggon]

6 years and counting....

[@lagoonrd4173]

I’ve been waiting several minutes…. What the heck is up?!?

[@barryd.thomassr.9156]

YUP. Ready to BUY!@@darkdraggon

[@magic4221]

I want a mat! Where can I get one,,... Or more!

[@herrprepper2070]

Long time ago, I standardized my powder inventory to H4895, H335 and CFE223.

[@GunFunZS]

Dang. I was trying to persuade myself to just buy ready made ammo for the .223 wylde like a filthy commoner, since it costs about the same. Then you had to go and publish this stuff and convince me to do work.

[@magickaldood]

For the reloading mat, I think you should make a detailed mat of each caliber you reload for. It would contain a large diagram of the cartridge, with all relevant information: C.O.A.L., trim length, etc. Then you could include your own reloading data right on the mat, you could even include the velocities and accuracy out of the multiple platforms that you have. Soon you'll have enough data to make a whole loading book. I would buy one in .223/5.56.

[@jbidinger]

I never minded the look of your well used bench. On the other hand, the mat looks fine too. I'm new to rifles and rifle reloading and these videos have been a great help. Thanks.

[@jlwade87]

Johnny you are the man!!! Thanks for such an informative reloading channel. No frills 100% every word said is useful

[@joesill]

20x30 is a good mat size. Load data and "Don't Blow Your Face Off" are good ideas.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

Load data won't happen. I'm sure that would be considered as publishing load data. I don't know, but I don't want to go down that road.

[@joesill]

Johnny's Reloading Bench Yeah, your probably right. Cartridge data on multiple cartridges would be good. Maybe common powders used for a given cartridge. I'm sure you will have something good on there.

[@Oregun]

Johnny's Reloading I'd take a mat. Put your logo on it along with the "Don't blow your face off" or "Be safe and stick to Grandma's loads" ;-) Love your videos!

[@GunFunZS]

As an attorney, who probably isn't licensed to practice law in your state, I can say that you've already published load data, along with reasonable warnings. Relax.

[@m96jay]

Or "I'm a freakin' idiot" would be good on the back. 20x30 good size

[@Thorsaxe777]

I really like this series, Johnny. It's one thing to Say "This kick ass bullet and that kick ass bullet", However showing a Budget reasonable priced everyday bullet that shoots lights out is awesome. I really want to see the Primer tests. see if things change in accuracy. Btw. H335 is the standard Powder that Lake City uses in the M193 ammo. They Buy in in valium by the rail freight car load and call it something else as government designation powder. It was the answer to the M-16 fouling problems of Vietnam and using BLC-2 as a propellant for that round.

[@carson2687]

So glad I found this Chanel! Incredibly entertaining and educational! You are awesome!

[@FortuneCookie45LC]

JRB - Always good for 223 /5.56 shooters to have some bulk bullets...mine are Winchester 55 FMJs and I have enough to do several seasons of regular blasting ammo. But these bullets were pointless for varmint shooting. OK for High Power practice at 100 yards though... Just checked out Bob's 223 Bulk Bullets and they've got good stuff over there...Have a great day, FC Steve

[@MsJon52]

good vid, good sense of humour and good shooting, a big thumbs up from me.

[@tonsofgunsoffun8516]

Really enjoying the channel man. Keep it up

[@tracey1013]

You always make great videos with lots of info. I'm just starting out reloading .223 and I loaded 50 rounds each of Hodgdon Benchmark, Hodgdon CFE223 and Hodgdon Varget at the lowest charge weight. I haven't shot any rounds yet but I like the idea of marking on the target of what ones you are shooting to see the best results. I might try that next time I go to the range. Thanks again for the great videos, watching them makes my night shifts go by quick.

[@Cholton327]

Another awesome video sir. Keep up the good work and I really appreciate all of the work you put into these video.

[@joross877]

Im just getting into reloading and all of ur vid have been really helpful

[@MrCharley201]

Johnny's reloading bench and Don't blow your face off are a must be on the mat. I like 18x24 but want one no matter the size.

[@5150miner]

Love the mat idea and the popular rounds with Saami data sounds cool. Maybe under each round some great powder selections you have had great success for each of those calibers. You have definitely done the leg work. And don’t blow your face off.

[@squatchfromearth4076]

2020 here, we sold the Bobs' out. Lol.

[@citationjeff]

Another great video Johnny. I look forward to trying these bullets. I'd buy a mat. Don't blow your face off, is timeless good advice.

[@THutch556]

Great vid JRB, I picked up 1000 Bobs' bullets after your last video, looking forward to testing them. The bench mat seems like a good idea. I think the IMR 8208 XBR will do very well, it's becoming one of my favorite powders. It consistently gives my Varget loads a run for their money. N140 also shoots lights out in pretty much all my loads also, but the price of N140 sucks.

[@jjs811]

Great idea about the mat

[@larrylosciale9656]

Great job on both the vid and making connections at Bob's. As far as the mat goes 18"X24" or 15"X18" ( the larger would work on my bench perfectly :) I'm in the process of building a PID and found a neat solution to the problem you had with cutting the braided metal. Believe it or not scissors! Tape the braid where you want it to be cut at then unbraid to that point and use the scissors to cut the loose material. Works great and the tape keeps the sheath from unbraiding past where you want it.

[@tjgalliher]

Yea the 20"x30" would be good here too. I would definitely buy with your logo. "Don't blow your face off" is classic. Would definitely buy. Keep goin JRB. Love the vids!

[@Medmann48]

I just built two new reloading benches & this time I used real NICE 3/4" finish plywood from Menards. It's super smooth & clean & comes in precut 2 x 8 sheets so I had to do zero cutting. It's night & day over that cheap 1/4" bulk plywood.

[@NavyChiefPa]

I would be in for a 20x30 mat. I like the idea of having sammi specs for common cartridges printed on it for reference.

[@chardeemacdennis2electricb329]

How this video doesn’t have 15,000 likes is beyond me

[@jonbumcrot2934]

H 335 is one of my favorite powders, I load calibers from 223 to 550 with it. Bullets from 40gr to 700gr.

[@FullSendPrecision]

Love your videos. Clever and funny.

[@josephhomen]

Thanks for the coupon!!! Them bullets seem to shot good

[@josephhomen]

Shoot darn auto type thing

[@elduderoony8171]

Nice. And the mats are good..... I use a large green cutting mat. Sweet.

[@shawkmusic]

I have had good results with Bob's 55 gr FMJ and CFE223. Working up a load with Alliant Reloader 15 currently. I'd be in for a 20x30 mat.

[@darrenm9597]

I love Bob's bullets

[@archersfriend]

I like the idea of several common cal. saami specs.

[@Goobneptizle]

hey that bench mat idea is amazing with the measurement idea. A Plus..

[@greenmountaintf]

So, the video every day thing is the best thing to happen to KZbin in a very long time, keep up the good work 👌🏻and the 20x30 works fine, I'd pick up a couple 5.56 + 300blk mats

[@greenmountaintf]

Or some wildly tacticool camo scheme like multicam or woodland

[@HammeringHank100]

Great video's. Keep them coming

[@op25ttfd]

I would purchase one of the matts. I plan to create a channel myself once I have my reloading equipment so I can chronicle my start and will definitely mention you and all the other reloaders I watch.

[@boricuaarecibo9259]

Reload a few 1000 rounds before starting your channel. You need to pay really close attention to what you're doing. I'm new to reloading also I've only reloaded under a thousand rounds mostly .223 and about 100 rounds of .308 I will be reloading 6.5 Grendel as soon as I can get brass. Good luck with your channel

[@vegapower454]

I might have to try some of that H335, im using BL-C2 right now. I think the mat is a good idea.

[@ZERO_42069]

All i use is cfe powder ( 223 pistol and blk) its great powder, i do use titegroup but only for 44 mag/spl 45 colt and 38spl

[@SargesAdventures]

I just tested the same mild CFE 223 loads (47.5gr) in .308 with 155gr HPBT that I did in FEB and boy let me tell you it was a huge pressure difference this week. 35 degrees FEB and 92 degrees SEP in Missouri... I know I will not use CFE 223 in .308 again, did not like the results at all. I am looking forward to the bench mat idea.. will buy one for sure, if not a couple of them. 20x30 is good: my bench is actually 36x 72 so I have plenty of room.

[@kengilcrest8670]

I like the mat idea. I am not sure I can use one on my bench, but I would if I could. I have a very narrow bench with three presses mounted on it, so not a lot of room for a 30" mat.

[@adamlong54]

25.6 grn of h335 is all i load 223 55grn and same for my 140grn 6.5 grendel. One powder for both same powder charge got to love it LMFAO

[@yoplait99]

24x36 with JRB across the top and Sami specs would be awesome I would definitely buy one

[@ericlaird7508]

Dude.you are ROCKIN it!, love the video's,I can only dream and watch.......but it's better than nothing!!!...

[@T.A.B.Videos]

Picked up some CFE 223 got to give it a whirl

[@glen4130]

Good stuff man.

[@snvm69]

Man you save me so much time and money

[@brenthamby2155]

I think the mat is great.

[@jeremylong6229]

I used to use a printing blanket for a mat

[@matthewdockter2424]

Looking forward to the 8208/ARComp video!

[@timothyclark3367]

20X30 mat size would work or maybe just a little smaller too! Since you were thinking about it -- I highly recommend the Lee Precision Bench Primer (LP90700). It is not perfect, but works well and helps my old hand from becoming too sore and tired using the hand (squeeze) loader. I am an old guy trying to lean reloading as a new hobby and for sue your videos have been very good, educational and fun to watch! Keep up the good work.

[@redlegfa8979]

30x20 and I like the cartridge dimension concept.

[@aperla207]

Love your videos. I have one question, what is the name of the digital scales you use? Not the Franklin arsenal one.

[@8626John]

My Hornady manual lists the max load for 55 grain bullets at 23.2. This is the tenth edition.

[@robertrenta]

great video

[@rjleatherworks]

20x30 with a good portion of the outer edges not printed on. This would hopefully give us the option of cutting it down to fit. My bench is 24x60 (the Harbor Freight "hardwood" workbench) with additional reinforcement where I have my press mounted.

[@ryanmagana7866]

I like the mat idea, I'd get one

[@jackwebb5917]

I missed this video... but your “Grandma loads” were almost identical to mine. I’m using hornady 55gr FMJ/BT, 23.5gr H335, once fired LC 5.56 brass, and CCI 41 primers OAL 2.215. I’m going to try Bob’s bullets and ramp up the load to 24 to 24.5 gr of H335

[@boricuaarecibo9259]

Bob's bullets are great with H335 23.5 to 24 grains

[@1976kingdom]

Mats a good idea at least a 20"x30" I would definitely buy one.

[@jdmbraceyourself695]

Good video

[@907defender4]

Enjoying the videos. Maybe I missed it, but what Vortex scope are you using and how do you like it? Running a few diamond backs on different rifles and liking them. Keep up the solid work on the videos!

[@ewetho]

Hey, just an update...loaded up 25.1 gr of H335 in LC and CCI primer under my Bobs' Bullets and shot it hot. About 1200 rounds in and melted first gas ring... Third is OK and 2nd is showing signs... Lol 150 rounds under 30 min several times s fun! But back to the load. Shoots good. Just got a base carbine with Miculek Brake and a 5X prism from Primary Arms and at 100 shooting fast 80% less than 2.5" group and outside about 4" over 30 rounds in under 4 min. Lol. Heck even Mirage is a problem. But matched my 75gr BTHP Hornady I can touch the 300 yard gong without trying so happy. I really don't shoot groups per say with this. That facatory trigger really sucks. Oh well it will be changed when my gas rings show up.

[@Jonnydeerhunter]

Definitely would love the mat's haha

[@seantierney3]

I would buy a mat that said don't blow your face off or had your logo and some favorite loads printed on it.

[@huntfishcreatehenrich4602]

I wonder if you could make it so that we could put our own load data on the mat, with a magic marker . Just provide blank templates on the mat.

[@MrAwesomeglock]

Your not begging . Your putting out some outstanding detailed videos . Best on KZbin. The subs increase show that. I don't mind at all , throwing you a few bucks . Plus ,your answering all my rookie questions . That I know you answered a hundred times. And your one year break from being unemployed is fast approaching . Soon your going to suffer like the rest of us. : )

[@VitoBb1978]

Johnny's Reloading Bench, I haven't loaded any Hodgdon's CFE-223 as of yet, but I have had outstanding groups with Hodgdon's 335 in 223 Remington with the 55 Gr Sierra SBT. Granted I am shooting a Savage bolt gun Model 12 with a 26 inch barrel. I don't own a AR-15 but my question is why do you shoot your AR Suppressed ? Another question is if you sighted your rifle in, then why is most of your hits to the right and below the point of aim?

[@terrywalker7127]

Would be interested in a 20X30 Johnny's Reloading Bench matt.

[@havocsquad1]

From the reloads I've produced, CFE 223 demonstrates the same high SD and ES in velocity as well in .308 Win when dealing with light bullets at the top end of the charge weights. The higher variations in velocity SD and ES are likely multiplied when you use a barrel smaller than what is specified for that ammo. Once you start pushing the charges of this powder above the optimum charge weight for complete powder burn in the barrel, the accuracy and velocity consistency starts to tank quickly. Rifle used was gas piston .308 Win 20 inch barrel with 1/12 twist. Assuming the following is the specifications for the ammo/rifle used: .308 Win/7.62 nato 147 grain to 150 grain fmj with 22 to 23 inch barrel. .223 Rem/5.56mm 55gr fmj with 20 inch barrel. CFE 223 just seems to burn too slow than what I would like for .223 rem or .308 Win using light ball ammo. Heavier bullets might be a better choice for this powder since the charge will be reduced and slower burning powder tends to favor heavier bullets.

[@greggsmith1590]

Johnny,how short will you still load a 223 round?thanks gregg i mean the brass only.

[@ridemoto03]

What about putting common cartridge measurements? Like OAL, trim length and primer size maybe? Did you ever get these mats made?

[@LoadsofBacon]

Can you bake powder coated bullets on those mats?

[@TexanUSMC8089]

Reloder 12 is great for 55gr bullets. I want 100% case filled, good velocity, below max psi, and 98-100% powder burned.

[@Jonnydeerhunter]

This video had me rolling lol. Love it.

[@MrThomass281]

I may have to try H335. Good shooting.

[@markbreidenbaugh6033]

Dude you want to push speed use TAC that has a great pressure curve and I have been able to really load some smoked stuff before any pressure signs. Like 65gr Sierra game kings 2930fps out of my 16" gun and the pressure signs look fine! 😁

[@randallgibson3212]

I pushed the 75 grain Hornady bthp to 2900 fps with Tac. Slight ejector marks on about a 1/4 of the cases so it was right on edge but they are really accurate and moving!

[@gtcam723]

@@randallgibson3212 holy crap. Lol

[@jeffreylc]

@Johnny’s Reloading Bench. Just found ur channel and subscribed. Been binge watching. 👍 I’m not following the measurements on your groups at all. Are those round targets 1 inch? The groups seem to be larger than what u have written on the paper. I’m not being argumentative was just curious. Other than this question, great channel. I’ve been loading for over 25 years and this is one of the best quality reloading channels I’ve come across.

[@lonnieduran7315]

Can you do a load for berry's fmj 55gr bullets with the CFE 223?

[@zaccharytenhuisen9475]

I'd buy a mat if you made them!

[@shermdog6969]

What has been your best combo so far with the 55gr?

[@foghornleghorn3478]

Do you still use that 20 dollar scale i love mine i also had one same results but when trickling i found slower is better and stuck with my diamond pro scale it took alotof the velocity spred out down to a minimum

[@kylesmith2939]

Wonder how Bob's bullets would have done out of the old psa barrel. By the way was that a premium barrel by FN or the lower end version they have?

[@homiegali]

I use a tool box liner glued and stapled on my bench. I have been using oal of 2.20. Trying to decide if I want to lengthen it out a little.

[@vegapower454]

Yeah I use col 2.210.

[@homiegali]

In regards to the mat, we should find some of his more memorable quotes from him along with "Don't Blow Your Face Off". Sure we could find a few....

[@robkilcollins310]

Man your experience with CFE223 are so damn Reminiscent of mine it's eerie... some folks claim amazing results with it, yet I always get funky inconsistent groups with my 5.56, 6.5 Grendel, and 308 Win.. sometimes get 3 in the same hole, then 2 wonky fliers that make no sence.. The mat is a great idea. I use a Sierra bullet poster that I had laminated.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

It's frustrating. I thought CFE223 was going to work better. Still several ball powders to test, though! TAC, X-Terminator and BL-C(2) being the first that come to mind.

[@DimaProk]

Rob Kilcollins I've heard from one youtuber that CFE BLK becomes stable when it's slightly compressed. It looks like his claim is supported by Jonny's result, even though I didn't see it if it was compressed i suspect it was.

[@jonbumcrot2934]

I stopped at 25gr of H335, seems like a good load. I rarely go for a max load when the next lowest whole number of grains is accurate.

[@Psalm144.1]

Hi Sir, has a 25gr charge in H335 served you well a year later? Are you shooting out of a bolt gun or AR?

[@jonbumcrot2934]

@@Psalm144.1 No issues with the 25 gr load. All my 223/5.56 ammo is fired out of an AR15.

[@marvinbrock960]

How bout those mats JRB??

[@hunkabill]

You need Norma 200 to push em really hard. It's magic powder for 223!

[@alaindiebra968]

I would buy one the Sami spec drawing will be great. But which cartridges would you put on it? .223 308 6.5 creedmore what else? & your logo

[@doliv1745]

Great review. I’m new to reloading and I don’t know where to start. Do you have a review on how to get started?

[@gunfunandstuff9226]

Start with a single stage press (every reloader should have a single stage press, even if they have a progressive).....maybe start with something like an economical Lee Challenger Kit.....then get a set of calipers (get one that goes out to 3 digits after the decimal point). If it's within your budget, get a brass tumbler to clean your brass. Also look up how to make case lube spray using liquid lanolin & rubbing alcohol (will save you LOTS of $ vs buying pre-made case lube). Then get a reloading manual and dies in the caliber you're wanting to load & you're pretty much set.

[@funigui]

Speaking of JRB mats, whatever happened to those?

[@anthonymagill3714]

Have you any load data for nosler 55gr varmageddon + cfe223 in a 1/9in twist .223

[@edwardporter5905]

How do you think these loads would work from a bolt gun? Not loading 223 yet but want to start for bolt gun

[@archersfriend]

The 24x30 would work better for me with my old eyes, it would make it easier to see.

[@fenomeno71]

Bobs' sells both Cannelure and non cannelure. Can you explain the difference in application?

[@scobie4252]

Would these loads work with soft point bullets?

[@saltcreekammo]

I get about 3100 FPS from my Anderson 16" with 25.5 gr. H335-- 2.230 OAL... I shoot the Hornady and Armscore 55 gr FMJ-BT

[@nigeriabutler3186]

Yes my DPMS 223/5.56 like col of 2.230 or 2.240 in lenght.

[@hogman2276]

Armscor 55fmj ,seated to canelure and Lee factory crimped med. CCI 41, R-P brass Cfe 26.2, got me 2594 with a 16” barrel. Magneto speed 80 degrees. Can someone comment on the weak speed 27.8-2799 28.0. 2820 28.2- 2923 Zero signs. Primers are nice and round.. should I keep going up till pressure? 27.8 is max in HODGDON’s manual

[@TjHeuer-ct7eo]

Did you see pressure signs with 28.0 of cfe?