ITV in the Face Episode 8: Wales

[@richard_wenner]

So pleased that I came across this little corner of Welsh happiness. Wonderful. Thank you.

[@RandomWolf]

5:52 - "They had to show a half-hour programme consisting of nothing but a still shot of the prime minister's face accompanied by stirring music." (Benny Hill Theme Tune) 🤣🤣🤣

[@davidmatthewvinotjr8396]

TO SKIP TO SAID TUNE GO TO 5:59

[@joannegray5138]

We in the Tyne Tees region were just as stunned by Annie St John's sad death as we really cherished her during her time as continuity announcer.

[@brucedanton3669]

Thank you there for this of course. Nice to see the old HTV Cymru Wales or HTV West idents so then too as well. Well done!

[@iancruise6927]

My favourite of the series, even though I’m from ATV land in colour. Let’s lobby ITV so Matthew can show these on the main channel as part of 70th anniversary in 2025

[@TakeMeOffYourMailingList]

I'm sure ITV plc will love showing a few hours of videos which all end with "fuck ITV plc"

[@d2dar459]

​@@TakeMeOffYourMailingList 😂

[@georgeholland2934]

Thank you for another informative and witty retrospective. As a child of the 80s I remember when networked ITV programmes were still prefixed with the idents of the regional companies that made them. It always puzzled me what the H in HTV stood for. I only found out years later when trawling through television presentation archives online. And I too assumed wrongly that the station was named after Harlech in Wales. 18:40 I thought the original aerial logotype was quite a clever device and animated with elegant simplicity compared to the very busy Harlech ident. 25:23 The moving metallic objects in space were very much of the mid 80s era; think Yorkshire's liquid gold chevron, the TVS flower/shell/thing, etc. 28:19 The generic ITV branding of 1989 would have given the network a polished and unified look had all the regions cooperated with it. The signature tune was well composed and the ITV lettering had gravitas. What followed since has been inferior to varying degrees. 29:02 That HTV ident to mark the start of their 1993 licence period was truly dreadful. Whilst the reworked lettering (with a nod to the filled-in V of ITV) was quite a good design, the watery colour scheme with non-contrasting background, combined with that feeble and tuneless muzak was altogether an object lesson in how not to brand a TV station on screen. Unfortunately it seemed to predict the future as there are hardly any channels these days with a strong ident fanfare. BBC One has gone a step further with its extremely boring 'oneness' idents and opted to dispense with music altogether. Remarkably retrograde.

[@sienekebd]

Another thing that sunk WWN was that ITA tried every chance they got to hide the fact that the Moel-y-Parc transmitter was received in the Granada region, and WWN was banned from advertising outside their region, which wasn't likewise for other companies in the network - if WWN were allowed to, they could've profited as a timeshift for network programmes.

[@johnking5174]

26:30 - Hi Matthew, if you have ever watched old RTE continuity you will see this happened and still happens with RTE channels in Ireland. They switch between Irish and English a lot when presenting. For example in 2019 on RTE One, you would usually get "Radio Telefis Eireann, you are watching RTE One" and then the announcer would speak Irish, especially introducing Gaelic programming, An Nuacht (News in Irish) or for example the live coverage of St Patrick's Day parade in Dublin.

[@MateusHonrado]

I wish HTV wasn't rebranded as ITV1 Wales and kept their name as to represent their identity as ITV1's Welsh network, not unlike how STV and UTV were unaffected by the 2002 rebranding due to the fact the former remains the only network not owned by ITV and the latter wasn't acquired by ITV until 2016.

[@MrSmith1984]

It wouldn't have made sense to keep the HTV name for "Home Nations" Reasons alone. Mainly because HTV also represented parts of the South West of England as well, but also because the H in HTV came from the founder of that affiliate rather than anything in particular to do with Wales as a whole. Regardless I would point out that UTV pretty much use the ITV1 brand anyway and I wouldn't be surprised if it gets officially renamed to ITV Northern Ireland at some point. And should ITV finally decide to buy STV, a similar rebrand (to ITV Scotland) would likely take place as well.

[@MateusHonrado]

@@MrSmith1984 I disagree. Besides, while the UTV name doesn't appear in idents anymore, it's still used for news programs along with that the former HTV West later merged with Westcountry in 2013.

[@Spi-AU]

In retrospect, if it wasn't involving Wales specifically, I suspect it would've ended up briefly branded "Carlton" like Central and Westcountry did. Mainly ponder that based on the fact that Carlton (and ITV plc post merger) kept the ITV1 Wales name full-time for several years after the 2002 celeb ident series... there might've been some push even before then to protect the specifically Welsh identity of HTV. Of course, this is Carlton we're talking about and I might be giving them too much credit for thinking about that - but it was also the only "home nation" brand that ITV plc owned for a long time (of course they own UTV too now) so it's not like there was any real precedent to it...

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Just to confirm for any non-Welsh people in the comments wondering about S4C and Channel 4, yes, on some TVs Channel 5 comes before Channel 4 does. At least for some freeview versions anyway.

[@RW-nr6bh]

Betjeman wasn't the only person who called it Telly-Welly. My dad remembers it being referred to as Telly-Welly when holidaying in Wales as a child.

[@lulugamer8082]

Translation via Google Translate: Wales. Obviously the most important place in the whole world, with two Lords, Annie St. John and some dragons.

[@johnking5174]

HTV Wales was a regular channel available on many Irish cable television providers during the 70s and 80s. The east coast of Ireland, especially Dublin, Wicklow, Wexford and Waterford could receive HTV signals (previously TWW) since 1962 and so the cable providers added them to their line up. They were gradually replaced by Ulster Television around 1992 onward.

[@stewartlynch7859]

Some Irish areas received HTV signals until 1998.

[@johnking5174]

@@stewartlynch7859 Are you from the east coast of Ireland yourself?

[@stewartlynch7859]

@@johnking5174 Yes, but I now live in the Irish Midlands.

[@johnking5174]

@@stewartlynch7859 People in England don't realise too how big cable television is in Ireland. It has been around since the early 1970s to bring the UK channels to you, especially those who couldn't get a good signal from NI or Wales. Did you have cable?

[@paulknott256]

@@johnking5174 l

[@maxthedoomer]

Used to be able to pick up S4C in the 90s in Lancashire, quickly became a Pobol Y Cwm addict using 888!

[@grahamnancledra7036]

That's allright - I watch Coronation Street and EastEnders with subtitles. Well I tell a lie - I not longer watch either due to the sickening storylines - but you get the idea.

[@davidtownson1476]

Another class documentary. Love it.

[@MarkPentler]

I love that the opening clip came from Channel 7, for entirely ironic reasons

[@edwardburek1717]

Max Boyce, the most Welsh of all the Welsh - more Welsh than Richard Burton.

[@gangsnapp_yt5945]

channel seven in aussie. or american island america

[@jakubwidlarz]

Strange because Channel 9 had the rights to the 1999 Rugby World Cup.

[@gangsnapp_yt5945]

@@jakubwidlarz rugby is popular in NZ (where i currently live)

[@Spi-AU]

@@jakubwidlarz Definitely Seven had the 1999 RWC (as seen), back then Seven had what was left of rugby union on Australian FTA (basically the Wallabies tests and Rugby World Cup; most of the Super 12 rugby was on pay TV). Nine was still very focused on their rugby league (and cricket) coverage, and they would've had the Rugby League world cup (in 2000).

[@stuartharris2165]

I think he has got a little confused here, yes S4C was the welsh 4th channel, but HTV Cymru still made programmes for it and the ident (although static with no music) appeared before them. Also the announcer who was speaking english and welsh was the late Coronation Street director, Terry Dyddgen Jones who announced at HTV Wales for several years from 1980.

[@ziggydamaestro]

Don’t know how much ITV produces for it these days. The BBC has always produced loads for it. It’s still in charge of the news and Pobol.

[@stuartkenny7430]

@@ziggydamaestro ITV still produce Y Byd ar Bedwar (The World on 4) for S4C, that was a World in Action current affairs programme in Welsh that was originally produced by HTV Wales, it's been going for 40 years now, and it's weird seeing what is technically an ITV Production on the BBC iPlayer, as they have the rights to stream S4C's content.

[@MakerfieldConsort]

The Terry Dyddgen Jones clip was from 1981. He was informing viewers of changes due to an extended News At Ten following the assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat. The complete clip was on here somewhere, but I'm struggling to find it.

[@stuartharris2165]

@@MakerfieldConsort I think this is the clip you are talking about with some other HTV clips kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWLToGuaj5qAeqM

[@MakerfieldConsort]

@@stuartharris2165 That's the one! Many thanks.

[@DavidSmith-648]

Wales has to be the most bizarrely interesting of the television (I say television, not solely ITV) regions in the UK. For a start, the number of households (especially in the Valleys) erecting huge metalwork structures on the side of their houses to pick up weak signals from Mendip (HTV West) or Ridge Hill (ATV/Central) when the local relay transmitter stands on a hill just above their village. I would assume this would have been so that non-Welsh speaking homes in the Valleys didn't have to watch Cymraeg....although this could have been counter productive if Wales were playing England at rugby or indeed anything as coverage on English transmitters would have favoured, of course, England. Secondly there were Welsh speaking homes, particularly in the Berwyn and Tanat Valley (to cite two examples) whose signals on VHF and UHF would have come from English transmitters such as The Wrekin and Winter Hill....DIM TELEDU CYMRAEG YNG NGHYMRU....no Welsh television in Welsh speaking areas, which forced the likes of the BBC to transmit the likes of Pobol Y Cwm and other popular Welsh shows in the mid afternoon on some of its English transmitters up to the 1980s, when local relay stations west of Oswestry were equipped for S4C. Then thirdly there were local relays in Wales serving Welsh towns radiating Midlands regional programmes, even to this day the towns of Knighton, Presteigne and the Radnor Valley has the incorrect UK country's Freeview on their respective town's local relay transmitters, not good for Welsh rugger and football fans (and other sport) and for Welsh learners but also, in these days of devolution, for Welsh political groups wanting to get their messages across to communities in in its own UK nation. At election time, Radnorshire will be electing Welsh politicians, but will be getting nothing but English based messages aimed at the Midlands for the Midlands, nothing Welsh based....which is perfectly ok in the English Midlands of course, and for people that choose to use the Ridge Hill or The Wrekin transmitters. So yes, bizarrely interesting!!!!

[@KaleunMaender77]

Anyone who isn't an Anglo-Saxon and refuses to speak English, and especially anyone who is Celtic and/or speaks a Celtic language regularly, doesn't deserve sympathy from London. Or so goes the general sentiment amongst the elites and hoi polloi throughout England. The Welsh have always fought to maintain their own distinct language and culture, their own distinct customs and traditions, their own distinct way of life, which doesn't overlap much (if at all) with those of the English. I can only hope the union one day fades away into oblivion, and Cymru can be its own sovereign country, free from Westminster's meddling fingers.

[@revinhatol]

Wales gets its very own TV service in 1964 (BBC)

[@Jessica_Kirk]

18:53 🎶Harlech!🎶 🤣

[@CrazyTobster]

One thing I read, with all the closers and openings of new ITV stations every decade or so, it made media giants from countries like the US nervous. Getting funding from say HBO to produce a joint program or some other big project was never going to happen. For better or for worst the 'new' ITV has made foreign investors more confident in the network which is important for big budget productions.

[@areasquirrel]

I remember being baffled as a kid by what the H could possibly stand for when the logo appeared on CITV programmes. I watch UTV - that's Ulster. There's STV - that's Scotland. "But..." I thought, "Wales doesn't begin with H! I don't get it!"

[@personmcpersonface8894]

Hwales

[@StringedGuitar17]

Hwest of England, for another one.

[@RickRobinCagnaan]

Lord Harlech. Wales didn't begin with H, nor did it start with T (in TWW's case).

[@d2dar459]

😅😅

[@d2dar459]

@@alexmacleod3728 It wouldn't be common sense to a child who wasn't born when they used the name 'Harlech'.

[@dinogoldie9716]

I grew up on HTV West and TSW. I loved the (80s) "TV aerial" logo. Can't remember HTV (West) making much (or in fact any) of their own programming - say for Bruce Hockin, Bob Constantine and Sherrie Eugene-Hart doing the local news and associated viewer feedback and consumer advice segments/spin-offs. I was hoping this series would have treated "The West" as a region in its own right and not just as a footnote in Welsh TV history - but what do you expect from a Devonian;).

[@Sheffield_Steve]

I personally remember the HTV West aerial ident including the white film speck in the top-right corner ish.

[@mrcrocker2638]

My college professor is from wales and she received Granada services and she can also speak welsh

[@jasondrury8301]

Great video have always lived in Bristol, I still call it HTV even now, At least our Regional,News still comes from Bath Road

[@mjp8648]

Back in the 1970's and in to the 80's I did not know what the "H" stood for, or understood why we had to share a channel with part of South West England when other parts of England and even Scotland has their own regional channels.

[@johnking5174]

27:37 - Ah there he is again, like myself, a fellow Derry City man, Peter Marshall.

[@areasquirrel]

A St. Columb's man, to boot. The old Bishop Street school, that is. My uncle went there, he's some years younger, though. I'm a young whippersnapper, I went to the current incarnation on Buncrana Road.

[@johnking5174]

@@areasquirrel I lived in Victoria Place, you know it?

[@sophie_drachen]

I wonder if the ident at 30:41 is set to the tune of Beauty and the Beast/Tale as Old as Time? If not, wow, sure does sound like it. I must give you a hearty Welsh thank you for doing this video! Diolch o galon! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@Sheffield_Steve]

One thing I never understood, in Wales, did having S4C, mean that Welsh viewers were the 1st to have 5 channels or would you only be able to receive S4C or receive regular Channel 4 too? **Update: I checked out TV listings after posing this question, S4C was like a ITV regional variation from the network, that used to be listed in the newspapers.

[@applemask]

No, S4C replaces Channel Four in Wales.

[@davidlewis5681]

No Channel 4 unless you picked up an English transmitter. S4C had broadcast in Welsh at peak times and during opt-outs from ITV Schools on 4. The rest of the time they showed programmes from Channel 4. I did work experience at S4C in the VT department. They had a whole room set aside for recording Channel 4 and wiping the tapes after each broadcast. Channel 4 only became available from Welsh transmitters with digital TV. After switchover S4C stopped English broadcasts.

[@johnking5174]

@@applemask I assume Bristol received Channel 4 properly and not S4C

[@brucedanton3669]

@@applemask Channel 4 is actually on channel 7 in Wales only as such too. Although I live in Kent and don't see it of course there, I know it is shown as that in the Radio Times listings there then so too. That as you say of course is because S4C is on the channel 4 number in Wales so then too indeed.

[@alphabetaxenonzzzcat]

HTV was great for great for fantasy programs like Children of the Stones and Robin of Sherwood.

[@electragaming4140]

HTV was the subject of a part exchange deal between Carlton & Granada. Meridian Broadcasting's bid for the South/South East license was backed by Central; who owned a 20% stake in the company (indeed, those Meridian idents were produced by Central Presentations). When Carlton took over Central, they inherited that 20% stake (which was, at the time, the maximum amount that one ITV region could hold in another one) and when Granada was ordered to give up one of their newly acquired broadcasters, they opted to keep Anglia & Meridian (both of whom were money spinners, to them) and sell HTV to Carlton; who gave them that 20% stake and £800m(?) for it. Of course, the whole thing was a pointless exercise, as the rules (that limited the maximum number of franchises one ITV company could hold) were further relaxed; to the point where the pair could merge and turn ITV into the utter skip fire, it is now!

[@knigweenis7092]

The opening Max Boyce gig, that's the World Cup 1999 opening ceremony. Weirdly enough it was during school time. My IT teacher rolled in the trolley with the wood stained telly on it and extended the coaxial from the staff room. Legend

[@antster1983]

A HTV announcer you haven't mentioned, Arfon Haines Davies, a legend in his own right, was mentioned in a comedic lecture on Wales by Lloyd Langford in the Radio 4 panel show "The Unbelievable Truth" (for the other panelists - Graeme Garden, Katherine Ryan and Jon Richardson - to discover the five truths among the lies which Lloyd has put in his lecture)... "Catherine Zeta Jones, JPR Williams and Arfon Haines Davies have all been given special dispensation to cross the Severn Bridge without paying the toll." (Suffice to say Graeme buzzes thinking it's true - it isn't - then saying that he'd make it true for Catherine Zeta Jones, "depending on which way she's going.")

[@stuartharris2165]

Arfon & Margaret were HTV legends, I am surprised to that Arfon wasn't mentioned, instead talking about Dilwyn (pronounced Dill Wyn)

[@ziggydamaestro]

The Wales "big four" of the 80s were Arfon, Dilwyn, Margaret, and Jenny. There was also Sue Powell Reed who, despite lacking the charisma and charm of the other four, continued announcing for Wales long after IVC had been scrapped.

[@johnking5174]

28:02 - In November 1990, Annie took a lethal overdose of champagne and drugs at her flat in Baltic Wharf, Bristol. She was found semi-conscious and naked on a bed by HTV director of programming Derek Clark and a staff rigger following concern from colleagues when she failed to turn up for work. She died in hospital on the 10th December 1990 as a result of the overdose, aged just 36. The coroner ruled it as suicide. Such a sad passing. Does anyone know the reason why she killed herself?

[@roddyteague6246]

I was in Bristol when this happened. If I remember correctly she had been raising money for some cause or other & when everything was totted up there was far less money than had been originally claimed/expected. It turned out that the 'expenses' associated with the venture were totally unrealistic/excessive & the local press started to ask questions. A bad business all round. The noise surrounding this did not diminish & shortly afterwards her death was announced. Interestingly enough the National Press thought there had been some kind of cover up & the death was put down to a chaotic private life. All water under now of course. Of course the omission of HTV West missed the opportunity to spotlight presenter Peter Rowell . The man who memorably stated that Diana Spencer 'had huge knockers' during the coverage of her death. Later on he was imprisoned for underage sex etc etc. A bit under the salt......

[@TYTDReviews]

Out of interest (If you happen to know) is there much of an interesting history behind BBC Cymru? I had always assumed it was a fairly recent development (80's...maybe 90's at a push) but that Ident you flash up halfway through the video looks quite a bit older...Equally that then got me thinking of S4C which I know is pretty unique in the sense that it more or less entirely exists off it's own self generated content...I don't know a lot about either but if you were ever short on video ideas a "Welsh" special could well be a go-er :) (Great video btw)

[@applemask]

BBC Cymru's been around for a while, as long as there's been BBC regions. The Welsh will not be denied. I'd like to do S4C and so on eventually.

[@johnking5174]

@@applemask I know this might be a bit off, would you ever consider reviewing Irish presentation? RTE etc?

[@stuartkenny7430]

@@applemask Yeah, that would work, have S4C as the centrepiece but with time to mention BBC Cymru's contributions with the likes of Pobol y Cwm and Disc A Dawn, and anything Harlech or indeed TWW or Teledu Cymru did before S4C came along. Maybe for the 40th birthday?

[@opentellyonyoutube]

“Tellywelly”

[@chloejones1548]

Surely this was death penalty worthy

[@WHUFCboy3456]

Lol

[@Mchannnel]

Welsh language sounds very interesting……should I learn it???

[@applemask]

If you like. There isn't the highest chance in the world that it'll come in handy, but knock yourself out, it's on Duolingo. Philip Madoc used to learn a new language every few months just as a hobby.

[@johnking5174]

The Welsh language always seems to be terrified of vowels.

[@Mchannnel]

@@johnking5174 I have a bit of welsh in my grandmother's side so it's good to learn my ancestors language 😀

[@ziggydamaestro]

@@johnking5174 That's why they've got seven of them.

[@ziggydamaestro]

@@Mchannnel Go for it - plenty of online courses these days!

[@stuartharris2165]

26:58 That isn't Margaret Pritchard, it's an htv west announcer (Susan Osman)

[@davidmartin6116]

I remember one night in HTV master-control at Pontcanna when Susan Osman and Margaret Pritchard were the Duty announcers - Susan on HTV West and Margaret on HTV Wales. In those days, the announcer would present the local news headlines after News at Ten. However, Margaret had struggled through the evening with laryngitis and it must have been decided that she would not have been able to read a ‘live’ three-minute news bulletin. At 22.30, Susan appeared on HTV West with the West Country headlines as normal. Meanwhile, on HTV Wales, Susan could be heard (in audio only and obviously pre-recorded) reading the HTV Wales headlines over a static 'HTV Wales News' slide.

[@ziggydamaestro]

@@davidmartin6116 Love that anecdote!!! I saw in a documentary once that Wales and West announcers used to "cover" for each other at Pontcanna when they went on meal breaks; I mentioned this on a site a few years ago and someone tore strips off me for even suggesting it. Any thoughts?

[@davidmartin6116]

@@ziggydamaestro Announcers usually nipped down to the canteen and brought food back to the booth during a suitably long enough programme part. Cover would normally only be required during an unexpected programme breakdown but even then there were generic voice-over apology tapes for the Presentation Controller to use, if required. There were definitely times when only one announcer was rostered (usually a 'West' announcer) and they'd be heard across the whole HTV area - over slides and idents rather than in vision.

[@Truthseeker1515]

@ 29:04 The ident melody is that from "Beauty and the Beast" better arranged @ 30:47

[@ziggydamaestro]

30:46 - I believe there was a third version - an uptempo "disco" variant. If memory serves, only the West used it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qH2tYnisj9WKptU

[@davidlewis5681]

It was used occasionally in Wales too, although it could have been limited to times of the week when continuity was shared, such as Saturday mornings.

[@Blubatt]

funnily enough, that one was on the original ITV in the face from 2009, but absent on this one

[@bryemycaz]

18:45 Robin the hooded man.

[@MrWEWE5]

The way TWW/Teledu Cymru ended its operations is just disgusting! If another TV station were to close like that, I would have send the authorities to raid the studio and arrest EVERYONE!! Oops, I must have gone military psycho on that one. But, still.

[@robertcomer2767]

To be honest, they were treated disgustingly. They saved Teledu Cymru, new studios and no doubt were investing in colour transmission.

[@WHUFCboy3456]

Oh you don't want us anymore fine we'll leave, we'll leave right now if thats what you want no you said you didn't want us anymore.GOODBYE FOREVER!!!!!

[@davidmatthewvinotjr8396]

does anyone have a color remake of the original Harlech logo (or an idea of how it would have looked in color)

[@davidmatthewvinotjr8396]

Also for anyone who wants to know what the description was saying: Wales. Obviously the most important place in the whole world, with two Lords, Annie St. John and some dragons.

[@ziggydamaestro]

26:57 - That's not Margaret, that's Su Osman from HTV West (then BBC Points West and BBC News 24).

[@neilforbes416]

1:00 Why is there a watermarked logo for an Australian TV station in the top-right of screen? Though its not really for the station, ATN-Sydney because it only shows the channel on which ATN transmits as Australian TV stations timidly hide behind their channel numbers instead of coming out and identifying themselves *properly* like British TV stations did in the "good old days!"

[@applemask]

Just because it happens to come from 7 Network's broadcast of the 1999 World Cup opening ceremony. Must have been the first footage of it I found on KZbin.

[@neilforbes416]

@@applemask That '7' should never have been seen on Australian TV. When Australian TV began in 1956(9th September of that year), the licencing body that granted licences and allocated frequencies(channels) should've put in a *STRICT CONDITION* that stations to be licenced for operation in Australia identify themselves *ONLY BY THEIR CALL-LETTERS* and make *NO REFERENCE WHATSOEVER* to the channel over which they transmit, referring instead only to the range of frequencies, for instance, NBN-Newcastle on 85 to 92 Megahertz. Any station breaking the rule to have their licence immediately *REVOKED!*

[@goodiesguy]

@@neilforbes416 Your obsession with this on every video is pathetic and needs to stop. Please, stop it, get some help. They're always gonna be known by everyone as Channel 7, Channel 9/Nine Network and TEN (formerly the 0-10 Network).

[@reginahyde1488]

Was your mother really Welsh?

[@applemask]

By blood and osmosis. She's not dead either.

[@mixtapesfrommylatepartner]

tIT🔻

[@neilforbes416]

8:03 The reference to Ch.10 is irrelevant and *TOTALLY UNIMPORTANT!* So it should *NOT* be seen in the graphics, as It is the *STATION,* TWW that counts.

[@GryphLane]

Well, it's not really irrelevant, is it? In the VHF days before they were organised into the order of BBC1, BBC2 and ITV, it would have been perfectly cromulent to add the channel number to the ident. Most regions did that.

[@sophie_drachen]

Well, it's not *really* irrelevant, back in the times before HD television there was a thing called VHF, and most of the ITV channels would have their channel numbers under their idents (in the 50s/60s this was), Granada would've been Ch.9 and so on and so forth. In other cases, there's Channel 4 and 5 in the UK and also Seven and Nine in Australia. To get them to change their names would mess their branding up. You're just looking for something to kick up a fuss about at this point.

[@neilforbes416]

@@sophie_drachen The "branding" is the station's *corporate name!* Granada, Tyne-Tees, HTV, Anglia, Heritage, London Weekend/Thames etc. A "channel" contributes *NOTHING AT ALL* to a programme. It's the *STATIONS* that made "On The Buses", "Please Sir", "Father Dear Father", "The Main Chance", "The Bill", etc.

[@MateusHonrado]

@@neilforbes416 Oh, buzz off with your stupid "channel numbers are meaningless" crap.

[@goodiesguy]

@@neilforbes416 Still with this bloody obsession. Would you just shut up! No matter how many times you spam the comments of these (and other sites), nobody gives a flying fuck! And you'd hate New Zealand, where our first four channels were called (wait for it, you'll be triggered and shaking in your boots!) 1, 2, 3 and 4! Maybe try writing something positive, or contributing to the content instead of spamming away with your stupid obsession with channel numbers.

[@scottwallace901]

This is just too god dam Welsh for my liking!

[@GryphLane]

21:31 Awkward...