34 yrs at a major and I never rode the controls like this captain. I was always ready in case something happened, but unless this is the F/O’s first flight on OE this Capt needs some CRM refresher training.
@bertjesklotepino10 ай бұрын
yeah, you were always ready in case something happened, or so you assume. But that case never happened. Because you are able to write on youtube a comment like this. Do you or do you not agree that plenty of accidents have happened which would not have happened if the FO or the Captain had backed up the other person the way this Captain does? I can name at least 1 example that was in the Aircrash investigations episodes, where if the other pilot had his hand on the throttle, things might have gone different. Might. We never know. Like you dont know. You say you were always ready. But sometimes a split second is enough to determine the outcome. Can you pls explain what is so bad about what the Captain is doing? I remember this VCR recording of them guys who experienced a micro burst but did not know what it was because it was not yet known. The VCR recording is a captain shouting to his FO to push it way up. WAY UP. UP UP UP. Push it Way up. And so, the captain expects the FO to push it way up, the throttle, to increase power. What if the Captain had pushed the hand of the FO when the captain decided that it was indeed time to introduce more power????? We will never know. But we do know it did not end well. And so: Pls, i am very curious what your answer is on my question: What is so bad about this behavior?
@bertjesklotepino10 ай бұрын
PS, considering what is said on the audio recording of that VCR of that Captain telling his FO to push it way up, i think it is clear enough that the captain did not back up the hand of the FO at that moment. He did not input anything. He just said: push it up, way up, up up up up, push it way up. Now, how long does it take to tell someone all of that, and how long does it take for that person to react the way you want them to react? Meanwhile you as a captain could do it yourself. That is just 1 example and i can come up with a few more if given the time. But in my opinion things MIGHT have looked different if the captain of that particular flight had not just vocally asked for more thrust, but also made sure the levers were pushed so to have more thrust. Do you agree with that opinion? And the other question was: What is wrong/bad about this kind of behavior? Because i fail to see the problem.
@duckfeverretrievers60010 ай бұрын
That is a bit of an odd statement without knowing 5C training.
@plsniper10 ай бұрын
I'm just a ppl and thought the same thing.
@jamesdean995710 ай бұрын
I just let the FO fly man… we all have a banger once in a while. Gotta let ‘em take the challenging legs to sometimes. A nice day in the whale was always fun. A captain like this one could really ruin a trip.
@lbowsk11 ай бұрын
FO is flying on a nice VFR day. El Cap has his hand on the yoke the whole time and then the throttles. Not just under the FOs hand backing him up, he's on top of the FO's hand. Gawd I hate flying with guys like CAPTAIN BOEING! You want to babysit and micro-manage? Fine. Please fly every leg. I'll work the radios and put you on my no-fly list as soon as we finish the trip.
@Plupx11 ай бұрын
could be company sop's man. This isn't your average 737..
@lbowsk11 ай бұрын
I suppose that you could be right. But even with four airlines on my resume, I've never worked at a place where a Capt did that. FO's are typed in the jet, and in most cases have pretty much the exact same training save for a high-speed abort and perhaps two engine work on the 74. Perhaps he doesn't trust the FO, or he's not comfortable being in the left seat. Or maybe he's just a control freak. Hell, maybe I"M the control freak. Most guys find that practice annoying and unsat. So, It's your jet, Ace. Show me how it's done. ;) @@Plupx
@notboeingnotgoing548311 ай бұрын
@@lbowsk This will be my 30th year on the queen started as a FE on the 74-1 and now Im in the left on the 74-8 so I have a ton of time and soon enough the govmnt. will come knocking for my seat if the stress from a medical doesnt get me first. Yrs ago when I was a FO on the 74-2 our companies head pilot would ride the quadrant like this with me...couldnt stand it and this was a guy that literally laughed at some semblance of CRM, he never wanted any assistance from a junior even a wet behind the ear 26yr old (myself at the time) except when I was shooting approaches into KaiTak back in 96. Some pilots (men and women) have different styles at least he's on top of things, lately I question the airmanship of a lot of young pilots that are just yoke holders. At some time with this new generation before Im retired I am going to ask the question to some of my crew that Dirty Harry gets asked..."Excuse me Captain , I know this may sound silly....but can you fly"? ....I think I know the answer
@mattwoodford182011 ай бұрын
@@Plupx nope, the doors stay attached 😂🤣
@johnmcgahern394611 ай бұрын
@@notboeingnotgoing5483"Nope, never had a lesson"! 🤣 All kidding aside, I believe there's a common element in a lot of professions today. I was in a totally different career to this one for 33 years but towards the end the similarities with the younger staff are comparable vis a vis competency.
@dan683110 ай бұрын
42 years flying, 33 for a major, I kept my hands on my laps. It takes a nano second to reach the controls, no need for riding the control. It only displays a weak Captain.
@bf.2588 ай бұрын
I was born on an airplane cockpit and i second your sentiments.
@andrewnorris19877 ай бұрын
Or just call go-around
@robharris54677 ай бұрын
Imagine what would be result if there was a crash. Whose responsibility would it be? If Captain wants to fly because he is uncertain of FO ability to get through a ticklish situation - just call 'my controls'. Isn't there a facility in crewing schedules of major airlines to indicate that a pilot doesn't want to be crewed with someone?
@alexandermartinristl46346 ай бұрын
SO TRUE!
@Dkiwilad6 ай бұрын
I agree. Seems you unconfident with your FO
@AlexandrosV10 ай бұрын
This Captain‘s sickness of having his hand on the yoke is madness. CRM ZERO!
@Kwstakis909 ай бұрын
Feels disrespectful . better being on the radio all legs rather flying like this
@notezzzzz57987 ай бұрын
I always have my hands on the yoke, its not a bad thing.
@Kwstakis907 ай бұрын
@@notezzzzz5798 "we have controls" type of guy.
@notezzzzz57987 ай бұрын
@@Kwstakis90 what are your credentials??? Licenses , flight hours , senority, airline?
@notezzzzz57987 ай бұрын
@@Kwstakis90 There is little tolerance for carelessness and negligence in aviation!! Therefore, my hands will always be on the yoke just as this cap is doing here. His rookie FO needs more training seems like!
@Obiwan23410 ай бұрын
That Captain looks like a CRM nightmare
@tony45510 ай бұрын
NO CRM
@NathanElcoate9 ай бұрын
What's CRM please?
@ItsNova8169 ай бұрын
Crew resource managment, it's the protocol that has to do with professional and efficient relationships between the captain and the first officer. The FO was flying the approach and the captain was essentially "backseat driving" with his hand on the stick and being a total bossy nightmare. @@NathanElcoate
@cguimaraenz8 ай бұрын
@@NathanElcoate The captain asked the same... lol
@chaitanyagokhale77028 ай бұрын
1:16 WTF was that? The guy on the right didn't want to GO AROUND, the guy on the left initiated it and pushed the hand. Is this how these pilots fly airplanes we sit it ? horrible professionalism.
@martinfierz83609 ай бұрын
For more than 10 years Capt on B747, for more than 30 years Capt on Boeing planes my simple comment is: This task sharing is a nightmare!
@petep.20926 ай бұрын
It's workload splitting, not task sharing. Each task is clearly delineated and assigned to the PF or the PM, not both. Trouble arises when the PM doesn't understand what "monitoring" means and flies the airplane unnecessarily or fails to monitor the PF.
@6milesup5 ай бұрын
@@petep.2092 The Captain had his mitts on the controls as if he didn't trust the FO. That is such a passive-aggressive mode that it's not even funny. That captain literally did not know how to "captain."
@travcon83 ай бұрын
@@6milesup Probably just making sure they hit full power in a timely fashion, so they don't slam into the ground.
@fanatamon2 ай бұрын
Looks weird.
@ratherbeflying1012 ай бұрын
The captain is incompetent, for lack of a better word he's a coward
@Incognito-vc9wj9 ай бұрын
Captain, take your hands off those controls! Pilot flying is PILOT FLYING.
@robertdoell43219 ай бұрын
Thank You to the guy who caught the ATC calling for the GA. I had not seen anything or heard that callout. I do agree with all the comments of the Captain over handling and stepping on his FO who was doing a great job on his own.
@eekamoose10 ай бұрын
For anybody who can't imagine how this feels for the FO, imagine that you are driving your car through some curves at high speed and then your passenger puts a hand out and holds the steering wheel...
@Maloy78006 ай бұрын
@@andreasfischer9158 Stop stealing her car!!!!
@joso55544 ай бұрын
@@Maloy7800or seat her in the rear seats.
@briank10101Ай бұрын
@@joso5554 Then she'd be a backseat driver
@chiasson6511 ай бұрын
I would have a major problem with the this captain shadowing the controls. You want to fly it Captain? Be my guest.....
@Southboundpachyderm7 ай бұрын
Isn't that like a big fucking no no too? You're just increasing the chances of dual inputs and control confusion aren't you? How the fuck do you make captain flying like that? I would be so vocally annoyed by that shit.
@anthonymelis66417 ай бұрын
@@Southboundpachyderm DUAL INPUT. DUAL INPUT.
@petep.20926 ай бұрын
This Captain isn't shadowing the controls, he's OPERATING the controls-when he shouldn't be. It's dangerous.
@petep.20926 ай бұрын
@@Southboundpachyderm No. No confusion. When you are pilot flying and you indicate your intention to relinquish command, you must cease operating the controls when the other pilot indicates s/he has control. From that point onward you are no longer PF.
@keng104311 ай бұрын
I'm a private pilot. Never been an FO or Captain of a 747. I do know one thing that has always been like the prime directive of Star Trek. Stating "I have control" is the prime directive of flying regardless of the type of plane being flown. Either the captain says, "I have control" or keep your F**king hands off the controls. You want to fly the plane? Say, "I have control" and then fly it. That is BASIC flight protocol. ZERO Excuse for not following that procedure. ZERO, NONE, ZIP, NADA! That type of cockpit mismanagement causes accidents.
@davidzoppa692910 ай бұрын
Also pilot, and I agree with you. This PNF is a bit of a POS.
@dogmannz7 ай бұрын
You mean deaths
@radiohead22064 ай бұрын
Someone needs to report his ass.
@gianziguer79493 ай бұрын
Tanto pra um avião quanto pra uma moto... Complicado
@streammlock0911 ай бұрын
Just let the captain be PF if he is going to manipulate the controls anyway
@vanair148810 ай бұрын
Nervous type of cap, are you? Can hear it in your voice. Having 24 hears of flying experience, including last 7 on 744, this is a good example of how CRM is not applied.
@tailwindkts269210 ай бұрын
It’s one of those guys ! Changed airspeed bug by 1 KNOT .
@Bren395 ай бұрын
Or keeps centering the heading bug. The worst is when the bug is not centered and he notices and tries not to do it immediately. Then eventually, he gives up and does it anyway.
@Karkawy4 ай бұрын
Im one of those 😂😂😂
@jimosborne211 ай бұрын
Never saw a Captain so darn nervous in VRF conditions on smooth day. Holding the yoke on final and holding his hand over the FA hand on the go around. It would make me quite uncomfortable to see such evidence of a lack of confidence.
@markf32295 ай бұрын
Yeah I noticed early that he gave the pilot an unusual right glance. Him being an overopinionated domineering Captain no imput will be forthcoming from other crew in a possible critical situation because of his bullying attitude.
@NN-uu9qo11 ай бұрын
That was not calm and secure captain. It was nervous, insecure, and controlling captain.
@TakeDeadAim11 ай бұрын
That GA was a fuster cluck on the Capt's part. No need for fire walling the sticks like that. The PF was well in control.
@charlesnicholson75398 ай бұрын
Yep, that’s the word to describe it lol 😂
@mehmetkara66565 ай бұрын
take a closer look at the flight director and attitude indicator. Neither FO is following it nor the Captain notice.
@griam764111 ай бұрын
It appeared it was the FO’s leg. So why did the Capt have his hand all over the yoke?
@jasonmurawski587711 ай бұрын
And then pushing the throttle to toga when they called for the go around. Captain needs to get off the controls and monitor
@memcrew110 ай бұрын
Because he wanted to touch the FO’s hand.
@heresjohnny99910 ай бұрын
It’s obvious a training flight
@jasonmurawski587710 ай бұрын
@@heresjohnny999 that doesn’t mean anything. Pilot in command (the one who’s flying) should be the only one on the flight controls. Pilot monitoring controls stuff like the radios, emergency procedures, and completing checklist while watching for any mistakes the POC might make. This is the same way it’s done in training except that there will be a safety pilot in the jumpseat to take over in the event of an emergency
@memcrew110 ай бұрын
@@jasonmurawski5877 ??
@yigitatli11 ай бұрын
Who’s flying the airplane (both pilots have their hands on the control wheels)?
@justboredom19 ай бұрын
First officer, the captain is lightly holding on the yoke but not steering it.
@terren18908 ай бұрын
Supposed to be the FO but the captain is being a pussy
@Bart-dg6qv7 ай бұрын
I'm not an expert, but I think FO has a right part and Capitan controls left and perhaps rudder...
@JoyoSnoozeАй бұрын
@@Bart-dg6qv No. The FO has control of the aircraft, the Captain is (or should be) monitoring the instruments. There is no sharing of "left" or "right" parts, and certainly no rudder input from the Pilot Monitoring (the captain). In this particular example, however, the Captain is being overly assertive with regards to the thrust levers.
@FlatSpin94410 ай бұрын
WTAF is that skipper doing? I would never do that to an FO, and if I had been that FO I’d have just handed him control and let him fly it. What an absolute CRM nightmare 😮
@byronhenry65185 ай бұрын
He’s the guy all the “armrest graffiti” is about.
@rmaxwell329410 ай бұрын
Always nice to hear that 5 being called by the RA must have been a butter landing, great job on this video, thanks for sharing this with us all 👍
@grahamsalmons202711 ай бұрын
Didn’t like this at all. Appreciate the SOPs in different companies vary but if the other pilot has his hands on the controls I’ll say ‘my controls’ and if he refuses to get off them then I pass control to them. I appreciate he’s just following the control column, but I’m a professional and if he doesn’t have the confidence in me to fly the aircraft he can fly it himself. In addition the change of tone and pace at the go around call smacks of alarm. Even at 200’ there’s time: PF flies the manoeuvre. The CA leans forward to the gear lever as he calls ‘positive rate’. This is highly leading and puts pressure on PF. The CA is practically operating the gear as the call comes. The aircraft will fly even with gear down and flap out all engines. A slower, more measured pace allows PF to confirm flap setting, climb is established and make the call when he’s ready. There a huge amount of drag as the doors open and gear comes down, PF needs to be confident of positive energy, and this will take a second or two. I accept I don’t know the precise reason for the call, so there may be extenuating circumstances. For reference I’m a heavy jet pilot currently operating 777
@KevinFreedman-jl2bv10 ай бұрын
This might be a check airman doing IOE with a new first officer. I would shadow the controls at all times yoke and rudder pedals and be ready for anything.
@KevinFreedman-jl2bv10 ай бұрын
This might be a check airman doing IOE with a new first officer. I would shadow the controls at all times yoke and rudder pedals and be ready for anything.
@KevinFreedman-jl2bv10 ай бұрын
This might be a check airman doing IOE with a new first officer. I would shadow the controls at all times yoke and rudder pedals and be ready for anything.
@KevinFreedman-jl2bv10 ай бұрын
This might be a check airman doing IOE with a new first officer. I would shadow the controls at all times yoke and rudder pedals and be ready for anything.
@KevinFreedman-jl2bv10 ай бұрын
This might be a check airman doing IOE with a new first officer. I would shadow the controls at all times yoke and rudder pedals and be ready for anything.
@rickharriss10 ай бұрын
To me this looks like a training flight, The cap is training the Fo. The GA was a training exercise. This all accounts for the Caps caution if the FO isn't familiar.
@DefaultMale_10 ай бұрын
Same here mate
@perry3310 ай бұрын
I'm certainly no pilot but I was thinking the exact same thing!
@JetWash94410 ай бұрын
That’s what simulators are for. No one ‘practises’ go-arounds in real aircraft.
@johnm.n337910 ай бұрын
@@JetWash944 .. except the smart ones 😇
@lbowsk10 ай бұрын
I disagree. If you listen carefully, the GA was called by the tower controller. This was likely for a traffic conflict, say the AC in front of them not clearing the runway in time. This happens fairly frequently, especially at busy airports with very tight spacing to maximize operations. VERY FEW 747's actually FLY in training events. They're simply too expensive to operate like that. All training, including the final check ride is typically done in the SIM. After that event, a new pilot is paired with an experience Captain who has received special / additional training to "teach" the last few basics in the jet that are hard to replicate in the SIM (the sight picture for taxi and landings, etc) and to get a feel for the new pilots mastery of the jet. I've checked out in 9 different planes requiring a "type rating" and then have received Initial Operating Experience. I've never had an IOE Captain manipulate or touch the flight controls on a leg. This is highly unusual. Perhaps it is SOP at this airline. But it makes zero sense from a modern training standpoint where the pilots act as a crew with ONE guy doing certain things and the other guy monitoring and doing other things. In no instance are both guys on the flight controls. The only paired operation is during a Go-Around. The Non Flying Pilot puts his hands underneath the Flying Pilots hands on the throttle levers and manually "follows" their movement and will add thrust in the ABSENCE of the pilot flying doing so. As always, the PIC is the PIC and if he wants to show me how to fly, its all his jet. Just say so and its yours. A Go-Around is a relatively easy event and should not be rushed unless ground contact is imminent. They jet is flying quite happily at a low power setting toward the runway. Because it is configured for landing (high-drag) the engines are already "spooled up" and do not require a massive shove the get the plane flying away from the ground. Yes, the call is TOGA or Max Thrust but in reality only partial thrust is required. If you have a low level GA altitude (which you typically DO) too much thrust actually increases a pilots risk of screwing up the maneuver (by over-speeding the flaps and gear) or blowing through level off alt. When these things are light (at the end of a flight) they have eye watering climb performance at Max Thrust.
@jimgandee257011 ай бұрын
It’s either my airplane or your airplane!
@topcat43truffles1511 ай бұрын
Not a pilot, but found the comments fascinating so I rewatched the original landing again. I think the Capt was a little too quick with his putting his hand over the FO’s hand in throttling the engines back up. If I was the FO, I would definitely have had an attitude towards that Capt. over that, and words would have been exchanged later. As in don’t ever F’n do that again. Seems to me that Capt either had no trust in his FO, or maybe he’s just a little too high strung. Doesn’t matter why the ATC ordered the abort, but when they say Go Around, you Go Around. Period. Definitely enjoyed the video, and education. Safe flying ladies and gentlemen….👍🏻😎
@everythingmatterstheory704310 ай бұрын
Capt is just that alpha. no words exchange necessary haha
@topcat43truffles1510 ай бұрын
@@everythingmatterstheory7043 Fist to the face of the Capt later on the ground if the FO is just that Alpha…..😁
@jardabursik957410 ай бұрын
This close to the ground you need to increase the thrust quickly to avoid getting closer to the ground, which creates another issues. I only fly A321 but I can understand why he did this. At 500ft, there's more time for a breather. If you were an FO, you would've agreed that you froze a bit at that moment. But that's what the pilot monitoring is for.
@brnmcc01Ай бұрын
On the other hand, it might be common practice, I've seen a lot of other airlines where on takeoff both pilots have a hand on the throttles in case of a rejected takeoff, and the PM only takes their hand off at V1 where takeoff can no longer be rejected safely.
@heep34987yt11 ай бұрын
I’m so glad KZbin pilots are pointing out all these issues.
@bertjesklotepino10 ай бұрын
especially the hand on the FO's hand backing up his throttle input.
@memcrew110 ай бұрын
@@bertjesklotepinoNah, the cap just wanted to touch the FO’s hand.
@bertjesklotepino10 ай бұрын
that is also perfectly possible. But in my opinion it is not bad to actually make sure you actually back up the other person. We often see the Captain hovering over the hand of the FO, or vice versa. But when shit goes wrong, they still have to put their hand down onto the throttle. This captain made sure he was on the throttle, like the FO was. TO make sure that if the FO had a heart attack or anything like that, the Captain would make sure the throttles are in the correct position. And yet some people think this is just nonsense behavior from the Captain. I think this should be mandatory. Because plenty of accidents have already happened because of no back up from either the captain or the FO. @@memcrew1
@memcrew110 ай бұрын
@@bertjesklotepino I was making a joke.
@section8usmc5310 ай бұрын
What's your definition of a "KZbin pilot?"
@dodoubleg235611 ай бұрын
I’m SO glad you showed the 2nd/successful approach. Great frame of reference. Enjoyed the clip. ✈️ 👍✌️
@EVE101Patt11 ай бұрын
is this a line training flight or why is the captain supporting/interfering with the controls and throttle?
@mgoblue09709 ай бұрын
Even in check rides the pilot not flying/instructor doesn't fondle the controls.
@brnmcc01Ай бұрын
@@mgoblue0970 Especially not on check rides, the PM doing the check ride will definitely not do anything to help out, that defeats the purpose of the checkride, you have to just watch and monitor, and of course take over if something isn't safe.
@matthendricks96665 ай бұрын
I became a first officer on A320 25 years ago. And at that time I wondered why so many captains were so tense and stressed. Some were cool and teamplayers of course. Then- 10 years later- I became a first officer on A330 and A340. And I also wondered why my captains were so tense, stressed and nervous. I met many good teamworkers there, too. 6 years after that I was a captain of the A320...and 7 years after that - right now- I am a captain of an A350. Until this very day I have no idea why so many captains are like they are. Absolutely no idea.
@TWA72711 ай бұрын
Captain, if the FO was the FP, why was your hand on the yoke?
@saito12511 ай бұрын
PTT
@lbowsk11 ай бұрын
There's also a PTT on the side panel. Not required.@@saito125
@canyonblue737-811 ай бұрын
@@saito125 there are multiple other ways to press PTT besides the yoke in this aircraft.
@matthancock988310 ай бұрын
There are TWO other PTT switches within much easier reach, and which aren't on the control column. That's not the reason, whatever he might tell you
@griffith21110 ай бұрын
If I were the FO I’d just tell captain handsy that if he wants to fly, just fly. But if it’s my leg, then hands off unless you need to take control. This is a major sign of a weak/unconfident captain
@StormPetrel209 ай бұрын
“I have control”, “You have control”… we have control?
@robharris54677 ай бұрын
Air France?
@КонстантинКругляков-г1у4 ай бұрын
AF447
@nothanksmate6 ай бұрын
Does the captain also hold the FO's hand during quiet times?
@a320nick14 күн бұрын
When's the wedding...? 💒
@kuole_besangu1059 ай бұрын
Both pilots with BOTH hands on the control panel?!
@phillambert93511 ай бұрын
Newby here - what caused the go around?
@PilotCyrus10 ай бұрын
I thought captains like him were all retired by now. Poor FO 😢
@jeffreymorris1110 ай бұрын
Is the Captain affectionately and firmly holding the hand of the FO?
@diambo4life10 ай бұрын
lol. He should have been monitoring. There's flying pilot and monitoring pilot for a reason,
@AlongtheRiverLife11 ай бұрын
Sounded like the tower did the go around?
@gummel8211 ай бұрын
So who's flying and who's the pilot monitoring?
@Ryanboy202011 ай бұрын
I couldnt hear the ATC. What was the reason for the go around? Also the F.O. would not let go of the thrust reversers..lol. The Captain had to touch his hand a couple of times to get him off of the reverser.
@jeffclark526811 ай бұрын
FO didn’t have his hand on the reversers he has hands on the throttles, as the pilot in control should, so that he can apply power if necessary such as in the case of a go around.
@Ryanboy202011 ай бұрын
@@jeffclark5268 Look again. He has been thrust reversers still up and the Captain has to almost swat his hand away to get him off of them.
@Ryanboy202011 ай бұрын
@@jeffclark5268
@climbmaintain11 ай бұрын
@@Ryanboy2020 His hand's aren't on the TR, I fly the 73 for a living what about you?
@aquariumlife292911 ай бұрын
@@climbmaintain o don't know this airport so wasn't the reason for the 'go around' the plane on the runaway waiting to take off too close? Or was that protocol distance alright ? seemed pretty close to me ( the aircraft on land )
@johndonovan68409 ай бұрын
Jesus… 2 people playing the same violin… I would hate to be this FO. Retired now, but after a 43 year career, 30 as an airline captain, i’d rather not allow the FO to operate the aircraft than to do this.. I guess this captain doesn’t trust.. himself!
@Joker77W11 ай бұрын
Was this line indoc, I noticed the captain had his hand on the controls an awful lot for not being the pilot flying.
@Spyke-lz2hl11 ай бұрын
It seems that this is normal for a lot of foreign carriers. I’ve seen it in other videos too.
@martin.B77711 ай бұрын
Epic! What was the reason for the go around?
@mlmguru11 ай бұрын
👀
@venomq240911 ай бұрын
I’ll be damned. It was called by the tower @1:16.
@disturbed473311 ай бұрын
I've been on a go around twice at Houston as a passenger. No idea what height we were at, but it was 'sudden and pedal to the metal'. Both were for the same reason. The plane in front of us aborted their take-off. No idea what happened here.
@ophelia211210 ай бұрын
Was in this situation last week at Palm Springs airport. Landing was aborted at the last possible minute and we were diverted to LAX. Reason given later was clouds were too low to land safely. However we were already under the cloud layer and runway was visible. Very scary!!
@petep.20926 ай бұрын
There were two airplanes waiting in line for takeoff. The one closest to the runway (Rwy 26L at KIAH) was holding short of the Runway Hold line, so it was physically clear of the runway, but it had crossed the "ILS Hold" line, so it could be distorting the ILS signals. Since the ILS approach was in use by the cargo 747 in the video, the controller had to call for a go around rather than risk a misguided 747 touching down off-runway.
@tristantriton811511 ай бұрын
The controller gave the reason but it was hard to hear what exactly she said after giving the go around command. Maybe an emergency aircraft behind on final? The runway seem unobstructed from the camera viewpoint
@robertparker989610 ай бұрын
I saw another jet, on the ground and apparently beginning a taxi onto the runway - just as the landing aircraft was approaching runway threshold.
@duckfeverretrievers60010 ай бұрын
I heard the word runway. Either that aircraft holding blew the hold line (I could not tell) or there was somebody else still on the runway. It is unlikely a Mayday or Pan Pan behind would cause a go around front minimums.
@avcomth12 күн бұрын
Also I can just about distinguish that strong southern accent when she said the word go around.
@ohheyitskevinc5 ай бұрын
Looks like this is quite old - ICL971 LGG-IAH on July 25th 2021. Hopefully crew resource management has improved in the last 3 years.
@robertp33011 ай бұрын
If I were the FO at Go Around I would have handed the controls back to Mr. Micromanage and told him "you seem to want to do the landing so your aircraft". He's either a real jerk or he's like my wife in the passenger seat.
@ottavva9 ай бұрын
what was the reason for GO AROUND ??
@monkeyboy842411 ай бұрын
Retired 744 Capt. I've watched the video several times. I'm with the Capt on this 100%. F/O seemed fixated and didn't immediately react. Up to the point of the g/a Cpt was guarding the controls for possibly a newbie on type - think inertia.
@HAL-xy3om11 ай бұрын
I'm glad you're retired, i'm left seat on the -8 flying with youngsters all the time, i would never destroy their confidence like this pin head nervous Nelly, nothing wrong happened there...
@TRPGpilot11 ай бұрын
@@HAL-xy3om Others have pointed out this captian's habit of hand on yoke and thrust levers for a few years now. It's not new. It messes with my brain when others did that when I was in training.
@RossoFormula10 ай бұрын
Retired 747 CA...maybe in FSX.
@monkeyboy842410 ай бұрын
@@RossoFormula Oh dear, I've upset an older F/O passed over for command or, a Captain so weak he's frightened to upset the F/O fraternity.
@RossoFormula10 ай бұрын
@@monkeyboy8424 Neither; an armchair flight simmer in his mom's basement.
@waynecummins91559 ай бұрын
This is a simulator ? Correct me if i'm wrong.
@ThePeterHagen11 ай бұрын
always good to see the enthusiastic and happy @captain Boeing again. I have however a question. I noticed that the captain is holding on to the controls during the approach, as he is the PM and the copilot the PF. During many cockpit approaches none of the captains did this and just let the co-pilot fly also the go around. Is this company procedure?
@RomeoJulietCharlie10 ай бұрын
It’s indicative of a captain either lacking in confidence or too wrapped up in their idea of running the show. If you don’t think your FO has the ability to operate the aircraft safely, take control and talk about why you did so once you’re parked up with engines shut down. Equally, this is at best a massive distraction for the FO. It would quite possibly be the safest route for the FO to have said “you have control” and given it to the captain. If you want your hands all over everything, you can fly the aircraft. Micromanaging the actual flying role means that you’re absolutely not fulfilling your role as pilot monitoring in any effective way. I haven’t even seen this much interference during base training.
@Alex-fy1bk9 ай бұрын
Fully agree with all who assists Capt as the pilot of poor CRM.
@elijaheinstein16011 ай бұрын
what was the reason for go around?
@dillon515511 ай бұрын
Captain forgot his phone at origin airport
@HartmutChang11 ай бұрын
Not stabilize
@mikejs200411 ай бұрын
I would guess they were told to go around by the tower.
@SJF1511 ай бұрын
Too low.
@kenknowles5111 ай бұрын
If you listen carefully you can hear the controller instruct them to go around.
@victorharden590610 ай бұрын
Why are both pilots handling the controls?
@artforlifelady10 ай бұрын
Im not a pilot but I’ve worked with a few micromanagers in my time. It’s insulting to say the least!
@dogmannz7 ай бұрын
Never take it personally. Bad mistake. It's their issue. They are the ones with the trust issues.
@petep.20926 ай бұрын
@@dogmannz Pilots are human persons. It is not logical or reasonable to tell them not to react like a person.
@dogmannz6 ай бұрын
@@petep.2092 It is not logical or reasonable for any fully grown adult not to have the emotional maturity to be able to recognise other peoples issues as theirs and not treat them like they have something to do with them. This guy does this with everyone. It's his stuff. Yes I'd tell him to get lost if he tried this with me, not because I take it personally. Because I find his behavior unacceptable. There's a big difference between taking other peoples stuff personally and not being willing to accept their behavior.
@petep.20926 ай бұрын
@@dogmannz Why would you tell someone to get lost if their behavior doesn't affect you personally? To whom is their behavior unacceptable? Your approach of telling the other person to get lost is unreasonable and impractical when the other person ranks above you. And when the other person is subordinate… read up on CRM, which arose from the recognition-decades ago-that the hierarchical scheme of Captain is the all-knowing, never wrong boss and everyone else says "Yessir" resulted in many preventable accidents and fatalities. CRM training has been in place for at least two decades in the U.S., hence the many comments from those who recognize that flying a complex, highly automated airplane that requires two pilots means the two pilots HAVE to mind each other's business, watch for body language cues (because not everything is spoken and humans can't read minds yet), and understand what makes humans tick and what makes humans ticked-off. People's lives are depending on their ability to do so. So getting lost is neither an option nor acceptable advice.
@marka89475 ай бұрын
Flaps up, gear up. Maintain climbout airspeed. Raise the blue bars.. Great job gentleman!
@chanrun733111 ай бұрын
Captain, I’d kindly recommend you to let the FO fly. I don’t know whether you are an instructor or not ( I suppose you wouldn’t with this “hands always on the yoke” mentality) but letting him fly will eventually make him more confident if there is no safety related issue. You can always tell him to go around like he flew over the glide slope during the first approach (or the ATC call)..But if you think you need to land the aircraft, take over the controls and do it by yourself. If your training management (or Flight Ops) watch this and still don’t do anything about it, I suppose there is a company culture..
@philokeefe796011 ай бұрын
Looks like a training flight in the simulator to me; line, base or type check?
@tonythomas836011 ай бұрын
For those that are wondering, you can hear atc say "Go around" at 200 feet. The Captain has his hand on the yoke because that's where the push to talk button is in case of things like this. If the Captain was flying, the FO would have his hand lightly on the yoke as well.
@ATRFLYER11 ай бұрын
There’s multiple PTT switches to use other than the yoke one!
@tonythomas836011 ай бұрын
@@ATRFLYER Watch the Captain's left hand during the go around. In that scenario it wouldn't be smart to go looking for a PTT button somewhere else. Plus, he can react if he had to take over manual flight.
@lbowsk11 ай бұрын
Go looking? It's immediately available and typically the ONLY one that he uses when his FO is flying.@@tonythomas8360
@killianpotworoska309611 ай бұрын
Why would ATC interfere with landing unless there is an emergency happening on the field, which doesn't seem to be happening here?
@tonythomas836011 ай бұрын
@@killianpotworoska3096 Can't tell in this video. Could be some kind of traffic that made the landing unsafe. Another aircraft or ground vehicle.
@gbratsberg5 ай бұрын
94 years experience as an armchair pilot, and I'm going to criticize this pilot for doing things His way!
@cleenlivin11 ай бұрын
I’ve periodically watched the channel and other aircraft related ones. The crews skills, ease and professionalism always amaze me. Do all airlines have both pilots keep hands on the controls at all times? Seems like a great backup. Utmost respect to the captain, co-pilot and all those folks who excel at their job. 👍👍👏👏
@brians950811 ай бұрын
Not great at all. It has to be crystal clear who is flying the plane - there can be no question. Making it a shared duty means that ultimate responsibility is - no one's. You don't want to have one guy thinking "ohhh the other guy will take care of that". Clear delineation of duties is imperative.
@RonalddeRee11 ай бұрын
Exactly those hands on the yoke is super irritating and even dangerous. Hands on knees is backup enough. Nobody speaks up just before the go around so who made the go-around decision?
@jimsanders441211 ай бұрын
Trying to figure out why the GA was called. Maybe a bit right of center, but nothing that couldn’t be adjusted.🤷♂️
@cleenlivin11 ай бұрын
@@jimsanders4412 Did the captain see, hear or react to something the first officer didn’t catch?
@SC-dp1gv11 ай бұрын
Horrible captain, his hands are not supposed to be on the yoke that’s not his leg, it’s not a back up, it’s distracting him from his pilot monitoring duties, gets all excited with call outs, uhhhh horrible horrible horrible
@urumqi16 ай бұрын
CN is a nervous micro manager. I have never or never had someone do that to me in all my time flying jets in particular the 747. I agree with other posters…….”you have control”.
@dville810311 ай бұрын
What was the reason for the Go Around??
@INTERNETVID11 ай бұрын
What was the reason for the go around?
@wizerdjuice958911 ай бұрын
Exactly
@KD0LRG11 ай бұрын
Tower told them to go around.
@MrDo0bie11 ай бұрын
@@KD0LRG What was the reason?
@KD0LRG11 ай бұрын
@@MrDo0bie Doesn't matter tower said go around. Could have been someone slow getting off the runway or maybe they had a wind shear alert. Meth head might have been running around.🥃
@MrDo0bie11 ай бұрын
@@KD0LRG Haha ok.
@enverhally899010 ай бұрын
what caused the go-around?
@wendyburton-smith116511 ай бұрын
Hi Captain Boeing it's lovely to see you again, great video as always 🥰✈️
@fairouztour-eq5xp11 ай бұрын
It may cpt
@mattjones59879 ай бұрын
Why do those display screens flicker constantly?
@petep.20926 ай бұрын
It is the stroboscopic effect created by the difference in the refresh rate of the electronic displays and the frame rate of the video recorder. With older CRT displays that created the display image by scanning (illuminating) the pixels one row after another, the "flicker" would appear in the video recording as a dark band, often slowly scrolling vertically.
@someone3.200711 ай бұрын
I love your enthusiasm mixed with professionalism. It makes the videos more enjoyable to watch! Keep up the good work
@VilleMaunu10 ай бұрын
This video enjoyable...you must be joking..
@mgoblue09709 ай бұрын
What professionalism?
@lorinkramer580511 ай бұрын
What am I missing here? Why the Go Around in the first place?
@craigmackay100410 ай бұрын
Talking to my FO's many captains are twitchy and keep their feet on the rudders or hands loose on the yoke, I think this can cause confusion as to who is flying and who is non- flying. Let the FO do his job or say " My Control". State the problem, if there is one, then provide a solution.
@smartycummins250011 ай бұрын
Is your FO really that bad where you gotta keep your hand on the yoke?
@freedomfan427211 ай бұрын
If you watch other videos he does the same thing. Maybe a company policy?
@jasonmurawski587711 ай бұрын
@@freedomfan4272no company out there would have you do that. It’ll interfere with the pilot flying and can cause bigger issues.
@ThorOdinson-s8m9 ай бұрын
Capt is just a narcissist. Who ought to be grounded.
@deedeescrystalblueclassics397311 ай бұрын
Hello Captain Boeing, happy to see you again..your professional pilot skills were a joy to watch with the landing situation you encountered. Blessings to you 💖
@plsniper10 ай бұрын
huh???
@kenstevenson413311 ай бұрын
Welcome back Capt.! Go around was nicely done. Second approach and landing perfect. Thanks for sharing.
@toddel20109 ай бұрын
Well, professional work of the captain AND F/O as well; No time and place for wrong egoism and proud. A safe landing is first priority and the captain is responsible for.
@mkoualsky3 ай бұрын
Well captain at least does not know the Definition of pilot flying term.
@jennybroad176311 ай бұрын
Awesome! I've been on the 747 jumpseat for a few go rounds. I was anxious but the crew were amazing. Love it!
@jeffreysantos87288 ай бұрын
What was the reason for the go around?
@WendyKS9311 ай бұрын
Great to see you Captain, your flying skills and attention to everything in the cockpit are always topnotch.
@amilcarvalenca33818 ай бұрын
Good video. Amazing engines !
@tommaxwell42911 ай бұрын
Always a bit of adrenaline on a go around. Lots of things to take care of. I didn't see anything on the runway, why did the controller give the go around on this one?
@nikiforospetrakis25606 ай бұрын
The registration of the A/c was 4x is this EL AL I think?
@GreatLaker6910 ай бұрын
At any airline operation in America it is considered extremely weird and unprofessional for the pilot monitoring to grab the flight controls like that without having a reason to. The Captain here even puts his hand on the FOs hand on the throttles as he sets toga thrust. This is the kind of guy everyone hates flying with and bid avoids.
@c1d2e10 ай бұрын
Who's PF?
@mrsalwaysright647810 ай бұрын
SECOND APPOACH at 1:40!!
@johnhunley28259 ай бұрын
My primary flight instructor was like that. Couldn't keep his hands off the controls while I was flying. It took me over 70 hours to get my Private.
@catlady476511 ай бұрын
Great job!! Ive missed your videos here!! Still stay safe!!
@kayraro193310 ай бұрын
What was the reason for the go-around?
@19Howler869 ай бұрын
I can't see either what' s the reason but it is a bit scary to see the pilots not trusting the one flying.
@SaxKitty0011 ай бұрын
Great to see you back here at last dear Captain, really missed you.. wow first time you’ve posted a go around, really impressive & low altitude, bet the spotters loved it…love a go around! Sending lots of love, hope to see you again soon, take care ✈️❤️🥰
@joeb557810 ай бұрын
What's with all cockpit, engine noise? Bad insulation?
@W00PIE2 ай бұрын
This thing is OLD.
@unmountablebootvolumeАй бұрын
That is, unfortunately, just how the 747 sounds inside. The entire upper deck sounds like this. Cockpit, business class, toilets, everything is loud, and the older they get, the louder they get. It's a great aircraft with lots of space and leg room, but definitely not a quiet one. There is a reason airlines give out free earplugs.
@Glideslopes11 ай бұрын
Great CRM as always.
@mindorokano19 күн бұрын
Tower called Go Around just after 200 call out, Capt has control of Radio Press to Talk on Yoke. But is is annoying to have controls in hover mode. Either let go or call for control.
@GreatLaker6910 ай бұрын
Captain hands on the controls at it again… bet he’s awesome to fly with
@rotorcraft686 ай бұрын
Aircraft on runway? Where? The one on the right was at the drainage ditch which was well before the hold short line!
@samthelittleman111 ай бұрын
Captain needs to get his hands off the yoke and have some confidence in his FO.
@WharfSomewhere21 күн бұрын
Q: why did he not land the first time? Why go around
@kayinthepursuitofhappiness215911 ай бұрын
I love the way they work together
@dek0der7589 ай бұрын
Why does captain have hands on the stick? Dangerous af
@killianpotworoska309611 ай бұрын
It's more like a very dominant personality who is unable to relinquish control! There seems to be no reason for the go around, maybe an explanation for it would be good for this clip?
@robinwhitlatch44976 ай бұрын
ATC called the GA. Had something to do with another airplane that was supposed to be holding short blocked the ILS & could have interfered with the 747’s landing. Better safe than sorry.
@satos111 ай бұрын
Reason for the go-around?
@mickeymcnaughton255510 ай бұрын
Not absolutely sure, but it seems as though this had been an ATC initiated go-around event while they were at 200 feet.
@MrSuperawesome500011 ай бұрын
Great work on the go! When you look at the statistics it's incredible how long some crews go between go arounds. It would be easy for the procedure to be far less efficient.
@dalecollins-smith3551Ай бұрын
I was going to make a comment but it seems all good airmen think alike.
@iflyc7711 ай бұрын
Wait, so who was flying here? I bet Captain Hoverhands there is on a lot of no fly lists. If you're going to be like that then you might as well fly every leg, and don't be surprised when your FO guards the controls while you are flying too.