Bogur EXPLAINS the Twitch Rivals Situation...

[@OLONOODLE]

So twitch was incompetent. Surprising.

[@Rank1PeakJerkmateChampion]

It not just that but the team captains even got together and did a gentlemen’s agreement to not having several high ranking players on a single team. But despite that they basically just ignored that completely and grouped together into teams with several pro players.

[@Ddform214]

AGAIN. AGAIN. AGAIN

[@eillswim]

How? They were given players... Agreed to take them. Then just kicked him the instant they were allowed their try hard sweats haha Dm'ing him him practicing to kick him Ye these streamers are toxic as hell and greedy as fhk

[@malcovich_games]

Should I be surprised? Probably not. What have they messed up so far?

[@kampfh7150]

@@malcovich_games I'm sure there's a Wiki out there somewhere listing every shit decision Twitch has made

[@NomDatBass]

Legitimately, this whole friggin situation could've been avoided had Twitch simply never raised the limit to 4 "pros" to begin with. Who in their right mind thought that was at all a good idea, especially after most teams were already finalized and scrimming?

[@seanboi8860]

Exactly!

[@djsuswbsb]

My guess is they wanted to show off better players playing the game to people who may not have tried it yet to make it look cooler compared to big streamers who aren't the best.

[@NomDatBass]

@djsuswbsb but why decide that AFTER most teams are finalized and days or even weeks into scrims? That's the kind of decision that absolutely has to be hard decided before any teams are established, ideally before anyone is even invited, precisely to prevent incidents like this from occurring.

[@Shuyin128MK4]

I think 3 would be more fair tbh. Half the roster of pros, half the roster of average.

[@seanmccormick1219]

this is the only thing that matters

[@kiiokotoriikitscrazyhesony8242]

if i had a nickel for every time twitch rivals was organized professionally and correctly i would be broke

[@malcovich_games]

You will have one nickel if you count Marvel vs Capcom 2 twitch rivals as well-run

[@Zinz778]

If you had a nickel for every twitch rivals event ever hosted period. you'd be broke

[@nephilim3090]

Twitch needs to die off imo

[@ahkira1041]

it's legit the same every year

[@kiiokotoriikitscrazyhesony8242]

@@Zinz778 twitch rivals is the name of twitch's esports tourney division, its not specific to marvel rivals

[@_itsjaemi]

Twitch: Wow Sykkuno's Team is unbalanced... Let's kick him. Also Twitch: *sees XQC's team and Shroud's team* "Seems balanced to me." -Twitch Staff /Event Organizer

[@CarnageJesterX]

they smurfed & flew under the radar. Necros & Bogur just had 4GM+ players & got the tournament rules changed last minute because they cant beat shroud or XQC teams. Thats what happened LOL

[@coffe3136]

​@@CarnageJesterX Bro is proud to say that

[@tylerblair318]

Everybody should have realized immediately that XQC was gonna pull some rat shit and get people on his team lmao. He has done that in like 7 Twitch Rivals tournaments and they always penalize other teams instead lmfao

[@TheDeathAngel8]

And him and his team ended up crying like little bitches when they lost

[@Waaaahwaaaahwaaaah]

@@tylerblair318 it’s okay, divine intervention occurred and he was beaten by the exact team he complained about. Pure cinema

[@MR_N0VA]

Honestly there's so much more to this hearing XQC and Shroud cry about doki's team then we find out they have 4 to 5 smurfs each and they lied about their ranks so they could play

[@lycanarachnid2435]

Dude wtf Dokibird loves this game and the fact the event organizers fucked it up SO BAD she decided to pull out of the tournament is crazy and a crying shame for what it should have been.

[@alexknight81]

Yet another twitch rivals L

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

I mean let’s be real she and other teams shouldn’t have loaded up with pros/ex pro players for what wasn’t suppose to be a sweaty competitive tournament. Credit to her realized her mistake and pulled out. Other teams shouldn’t have too.

[@silly118]

@@VinegarAndSaltedFries WDYM "mistake"?? They followed the new rules. It's no body faults twitch changed the rules AGAIN a day before it started. And tournament is tournament , "friendly competitive" or not, it's still a competitive environment. You can't blame people for trying to win.

[@NomDatBass]

@@VinegarAndSaltedFries But then why was the cap for "pros" raised to 4 per team? If they didn't want the tournament to be sweaty, why raise that cap at all, let alone to allow teams to have the majority as "pros". Why create a new rule that literally allows the sweats to outnumber the casuals if being casual friendly is the goal? This absolutely and ENTIRELY the fault of the organizers, through and through. You're supposed to set a cap on high-skill players before anyone at all even can start organizing their teams and stick to that cap no matter what. Any organizer even slightly worth their salt knows this.

[@DJBaphomet]

@@VinegarAndSaltedFries She was invited AFTER the change to from 2 to 4 Diamond+ players on a team was made. She had no clue that it was previously a cap of 2 _or_ that it wasn't meant to be "sweaty" and was just going off of what other teams now had, which were 4 GM+ players, making it look competitive. She made no mistakes, she was actively told by twitch staff that her team would be fine, only for them to change the rule _again_ less than 24 hours before the event, betraying what they told her She dropped herself out of her team specifically because her team is built of smaller creators who could use the money an exposure far more than her (she said this herself), even though she was super excited to participate in a competitive event for once This is entirely on Twitch's incompetence, she did nothing wrong, and none of this would've happened if they just didn't change the damn 2 GM rule in the first place

[@PiggyKillerQ]

this situation is so messed up lol, this is so logisitcally stupid. surely it cannot be this hard to handle.

[@CarnageJesterX]

Not impossible to find people diamond & below, go to twitch marvel rivals section & pick up streamers... You complain because all your gaming friends are actually good players, boohoo. You btoke rules inviting Sykunno because he placed GM season 0. So now you had 3 GM+ players, then you invited ML7 I think. So that's 4 GM+ players when you were only allowed 2. Just because every other team smurfed around the rules to skate by, they outsmarted you. Shrouds team, Xqc's team all have good smurf players I get it. You messed up the tourney because you didnt want to lose & complained.

[@thekamotodragon]

when your company is being ran by immature and unprofessional dei hirers then yes, the easiest task probably becomes impossible to handle properly. They're too incompetent to know the common sense solution, so they just listen to their biggest streamers and act on emotion instead.

[@dinocharlie1]

To be fair to Rae's team, it has nothing to do with them being bad or scrimming them specifically, it has to do with scrimming a team that locked in their players before the rule change and then decide to roll with it instead of kick anyone. Neither decision is wrong, it's just the mindset of stay competitive or stay loyal and have fun during a streamer event. The blame lies entirely on Twitch (yet again). I'd say going from 2 players to 4 players is worth MORE than double the effective roster strength. Because not only do you have twice the good players, you have half the bad players. I'd say it's probably closer to triple the roster strength. Twitch should really also be compensating any 2 man team that lost to a 3+ man team in the tournament, because it sounds like a few still made it through to play a few games since one team had 3 NTMR players. If not just either compensate everyone or delay the event and redo the rules and DO NOT CHANGE RULES ONCE THEY ARE POSTED

[@werstname]

The main issue I find is having such a huge prize pool. If the format was meant to be more content creator focused rather than high-rank/pro play this shit eas never gonna work with that prize pool. People have taken it way too seriously. Besides most of the players are giga-streamers who make a shit ton of money. If you want a big prize pool, get the teams to each represent one charity and the money goes to said charity. Then its all for a good cause and it doesnt matter who wins (with a stacked roster or not), its all going to be used to do a good thing.

[@meat.]

@@poorchris bro did not read

[@BaconTaco412]

Update: Bogur said "chungus" 😢

[@sikwhiskey9746]

So essentially it was just poorly regulated and the world exploded. BUTT Sykkuno gets to play !!!

[@CarnageJesterX]

Not impossible to find people diamond & below, go to twitch marvel rivals section & pick up streamers... You complain because all your gaming friends are actually good players, boohoo. You btoke rules inviting Sykunno because he placed GM season 0. So now you had 3 GM+ players, then you invited ML7 I think. So that's 4 GM+ players when you were only allowed 2. Just because every other team smurfed around the rules to skate by, they outsmarted you. Shrouds team, Xqc's team all have good smurf players I get it. You messed up the tourney because you didnt want to lose & complained.

[@michaelurmo7984]

@@CarnageJesterX why is bro crashing out on a random comment

[@Waaaahwaaaahwaaaah]

@@michaelurmo7984 no clue but haters are wild ngl, I’ve seen repeats of this guy’s behaviour from other ppl in the xqc vs necros vid. They’re like NPCs lol

[@VYNYL_Music]

@@michaelurmo7984bro copy pasted his comment from another post he did to another comment strip. Bro’s just lazy to even make a point.

[@sergioGMc007]

80% of dramas are nothing burgers

[@leash8932]

nothing bogurs

[@VarietyCastle]

Nothing boogers

[@doji3365]

Nothing bugur

[@manzana_2001]

​@@leash8932They hated him because he spoke the truth

[@DarukaEon]

Even if they were trying to make amends by "compensating" the people who got kicked, that's unnecessary wasted money. If they had this stupid-ass emergency meeting with the captains weeks before the scrims and dial in the teams with balance in mind, then they wouldn't be in this situation to begin with. It's so ass-backwards, dude. Even if the tournament is just a second thought and all they care about is money, this is not a wise business choice. Sponsors are seeing how poorly this (and previous events) was planned and how they treat the people who use their platform, and some of them are gonna back out. Good will goes a long way. Now, Rae doesn't want to do another Twitch Rivals, a buncha shit from past Twitch Rivals events are coming up that just adds to its reputation, and people they've previously brought to their meetings as consultants are being ignored outright. It's not looking good, man. It's no wonder why people don't like coming to these events. Who was in charge of this event? The stupid-ass deer person?

[@NomDatBass]

@@DarukaEon Don't know who the deer person is, but my first thought was Haruka, who I'm absolutely positive could do a better job than this. Hell, I feel like Jeff the Land Satan would do a better job than whatever this was.

[@veryrarekev]

It’s Amazon’s money. Why does it matter if they get paid

[@gampie13]

@@NomDatBass the "stupid-ass deer person", is most likely in reference to the twitch staff, that identifies as a deer, and apparently hates gamers, since gamers likes meritocracy

[@johnteo313]

I am not supporting twitch's bad decision, but they only finalised teams recently. Doki stated she only got the invite after they changed it to 4 diamond+ players. Which means that they never had the chance to have the emergency meeting weeks ago as not all the captains were confirmed yet. So, they most probably only had a short time frame to set up the competition. However, having such last-minute changes is pretty much idiotic. The issue must have been brought up earlier on, but they decided on the change only when there was enough backlash from the community. Which was way too late causing this issue.

[@JayceCH.]

Twitch. You should no by now they have parasocial relationships with certain streamers.

[@BeckyRoth99]

Trying to make streamer content "fair" is just not going to work in the first place. They should just randomize the team and the streamers and be done with it.

[@harpot678]

Nah there are balanced team events. But you need a spreadsheet of everybody joining and their ranks, then immediately assign a team day 1, 3 weeks ago after creating balanced enough teams. MAYBE taking into consideration pairs or groups of 3 that would like to play with each other. Its hard for creators to have connections accross that wide a range of skill to balance their own teams

[@P-ath]

​@@harpot678 agree bro, it would be nice to see some content creators play with some new smaller creators, which would make it more about the Twitch community interacting with different communities. Instead of having a team like rays team that's pretty much mostly her friends that aren't very good at the game.

[@johnteo313]

@@harpot678 Maybe they could have a point based system where certain ranks determine a certain amount of points with additional points added for pro FPS players coming in from outside the game. For example, Celestial+ : 12 points Grandmaster: 10 points Diamond: 6 Points Platinum and under: 5 Points Players will get +2 (ex-Pro FPS player) or +1 (Top 500) in another FPS game if diamond or lower to compensate for their lack of game mechanic experience but gun skill still transferring over. Team: 49 points max, with a max limit of 2 players in the Celestial and Grandmaster rank respectively. or something along these lines, this would give a better team balance then saying 4 player over diamond rank. btw, I am randomly throwing those numbers. This would allow the team captains to have more accurate figures of who they can invite despite it being more troublesome to form a team.

[@JayceCH.]

You just described a method of being "fair" though.

[@NomDatBass]

@@harpot678 Basically this. Have a preset list of invitees, possibly talk to creators to see if maybe there's a friend they'd like to be on a team with if possible, at least take into consideration known friendships and try not to throw someone into a team entirely of strangers, then manually make the teams by hand and rebalance as needed. Genuinely, even a hyper-introvert like Doki will be fine if she has a friend or two around that she's comfortable with, which would then make it much easier to balance the rest of her team to not be utterly nuts. Throw Sykkuno and Ellum together, and you could probably slap those two with nearly any group and make it work. Maybe keep Rae and Eskay together, since Rae seems very comfortable around Eskay and Eskay is having a lot of fun showing her the ropes. You get the idea. This really didn't have to be such a disaster.

[@Reverend_Mohg]

Twitch trying not to get an L challenge IMPOSSIBLE

[@cheesykebs708]

I like how in the clip of the crashout they're not even agreeing, "don't they know what's good for content" and "of course it makes sense to pick the best players they can, I would too"

[@shadowkras]

Bro, spawn camping can happen. Even among pros, sometimes one team is stomping, then stars align and they get stomped fight after fight.

[@RepozeOW]

Spawn camping does not happen in pro there needs to be a massive skill disparity for it to happen

[@shadowkras]

@@RepozeOW One would think so. But you can watch any of past overwatch league seasons and you will see it happening a lot.

[@saskilla1945]

someone needs to do test on why it still happens in high ranks even though its dumb thing to do

[@nightsidebeats4719]

⁠it’s simple.. think of it like football. Defense in on the goal line.. there’s no room for error. It’s the same way in the spawn room. We don’t have space to flank or get good position /high ground. It’s not really complicated. If it has a brain, it can be pressure and Pressure alone can break a team.

[@diufool]

@@shadowkrasId say big difference is that this, although is a competitive tournament, is still being marketed more for fun rather than a truly competitive spot. If people are being steam rolled in a for fun event, the event organizing was done poorly

[@Petrol_Sniffa]

Twitch rivals is literally bringing a bunch of toddlers with big ego's to compete against eachother. There's drama every single time. There was WAY more drama on the rust one.

[@tft_crumble3086]

It's always the noob streamer that get some exposure with that that can't keep getting clapped by everyone and will yapping around

[@austen3825]

It's funni how Bogurs chungus brain physically can't play the game while recalling the story that just happened.

[@xCoNa14]

Probably really frustrated about the situation. Hard to focus when emotions are involved.

[@Mythicalgoon]

you mean like most people would? like 99% of people

[@CarnageJesterX]

@@Mythicalgoon it's called objective truth. He caused the rule change by having 4 GM+ players when rules specified only 2. Necros Bogur are at fault because they were greedy to win a Twitch tourney LOL

[@CarnageJesterX]

@@xCoNa14 it's called objective truth. He caused the rule change by having 4 GM+ players when rules specified only 2. Necros Bogur are at fault because they were greedy to win a Twitch tourney LOL

[@xCoNa14]

@@CarnageJesterX Twitch changed the rules to 4 GM, according to the video. That's what caused all the back and forth.

[@fluffiisheepvod]

any time twitchrivals has said "your team cant be too good" its not worth watching

[@eliakimmontero7834]

Twitch Marvel Rivals: Imagine we remove the most wholesome person and like by everyone

[@ChevyMurphy]

So Abe locked in his team, then they changed the rules, which fucked them. Idk why Rae took it so personal, but Twitch should not have changed the rules after the initial roster ranks were announced.

[@diufool]

Its most likely because shes dealt with twitch being absurdly incompetent in the past and this shows there is zero improvement. This same situation has occurred in twitch rivals multiple times in the past. She had no reason to go after her fellow competitors but when you are angry, you will lash out at everyone

[@xythiera7255]

Rae has a massive ego thats why

[@no-xi6zd]

Rae had a justified crash out honestly

[@forzer456]

⁠@@diufoolthis was Rae first Twitch rivals she was on KZbin for years until this month. Rae let her competitive side take over even though she should have been more chill.

[@selfselected]

idk, I personally feel like the way they got upset is a bit cringe, but I also find it cringe how other teams were trying to min-max the rosters and lie about ranks, and even kicking people in order to min-max lol. I guess it was just a weird situation and it's hard to give any specific team the moral high ground

[@weissweiss]

i guess the market value of these offlinetv and/or friends type of streamers placing in the later stages is too high

[@diufool]

The OTVF network is so vast and messing with Syk and Rae is a fast way to mess with relations. The individuals in OTVF might not be the biggest but collectively they encompass a massive part of twitch gaming culture.

[@shqrkiie936]

Always turns out to be poor managment anywhere you go

[@julianherrera3130]

Happens w apex too when twitch rivals are doing something. Pros, content creators, pros that're retired from comp and just content creators. There will never a good balance around it bc everyone has an issue, them trying to make it open to the public and not just pros/creators is a dub and should be revolved around community players w content creators and pros together. Sadly too much ego in ppl that're higher up.(pros/creators/retired pros)

[@VoltOnYT_]

Ngl, they undid the changes last minute to appease the streamers who were crying about it only for those teams to get steamrolled anyway. Almost like they were never good enough to win and just wanted something to blame it on.

[@alexknight81]

While true, the main takeaway should still be the absolute garbage handling of organizing in twitch rivals's en

[@shaheedroylance]

Wouldn't have had to make ANY changes, had they organised the event properly beforehand.

[@VoltOnYT_]

@@shaheedroylance Their organisational mistake was listening to Rae & her team's whining. Should've told the complainers to stick it.

[@fricky9713]

@@VoltOnYT_ wouldn't the mistake be about the organizers making the teams 4 pros instead of 2 pros when everyone already finalized 2 weeks before because initially it was only 2 pros? Like isn't that the problem?

[@silly118]

@@fricky9713 Then why wouldn't they cry and whine the moment the rules changed? They only cried because they got steamrolled lol.

[@tortue_]

Man, after team Schmungus I really wanted to see some mL7 and Bogur action again. Sad that it won't happen.

[@orieLab_]

I just hate the fact that ray crashed out over bogur and his team, it's not their fault for the tournament rules

[@Cam082567]

They weren’t crashing out specifically at them. I mean hell Sykkuno and Rae are very close. She’s crashing out at the person who changed it to 4 pro players per team making it extremely unfun and unbalanced

[@blackcat-fr6lu]

Being noob is lamest excuse lmao

[@Cautttionnn]

Rae is a drama queen anyways. It didn’t matter.

[@kiiokotoriikitscrazyhesony8242]

her anger wasnt entirely directed at bogur, she responded to a chatter saying "why is staff like this" and she was like "YEAH like the balancing is so shit", her and sykkuno are close friends and have been for years, she wouldnt have gotten so pissed at him and his team directly

[@lemagicconk1562]

@@Cam082567 They were crashing out directly at them, they falsely accused them of breaking the rules

[@ricecake1814]

200k on the line and expecting to be completely fair. Which is impossible.

[@ishtarrs]

It woulda been if they kept the 2 master/GM but they brought it to 4 after teams already locked in with their friends. I get high ranks are friends with high ranks, but rules shouldnt change unless its being abused (like xqcs team)

[@madtonesbr]

Right? All the people saying "oh the players just want to whine" imagine a tourney where $33,000 is at stake for you and you have a fair shot then the rules change to make sure you have no shot. Anyone logical would be mad.

[@bigboyjeff6151]

"and im the dollar" is so funny for sum reason

[@Zee12345]

Just feel bad for doki and eskay at the end of it all

[@johnteo313]

Jay 3 as well. He pulled out of the tournament as well after the change.

[@papat-bone6474]

Why do you feel bad?? Oh your favourite KZbinr didn't get to play a game wow what a damn tragedy!!!!

[@Zee12345]

@papat-bone6474 more like they were told they could be involved, and then had the rug pulled last minute. Why be so bitter about how someone feels on something you obviously don't care about? Get some sleep bud

[@Zee12345]

@@johnteo313 didn't know that damn

[@Zee12345]

@@papat-bone6474 get some sleep bud. Come back when you are feeling better

[@tehtommy1836]

all of this just for aspen warn frogger and dark to be on a team anyway, like wat...

[@DJBaphomet]

It's aspen warn frogger and dark do you _really_ think they're gonna be sweats. They may be good but they're like, the least serious group of players imaginable

[@MrTv19]

Anyone who deals with twitch at all should expect this, I haven't bothered with that garbage site in so long. It really is just a giant mess, that seems to mess up every time you turn around.

[@JayceCH.]

Havent given a shit about twitch since the more ads change. Completely look down on it after seeing them parasocially throw Hasan a birthday party and after every tounrey event they host. 🤢

[@DasOmen02]

Ok am I chungused or is literally EVERY twitch rivals event omegascuffed like this LMAO

[@bingewatcher-e3f]

another twitch rivals drama. They really need to change their event organisers lol. This can't keep happening xD.

[@ventisprout1119]

my two worlds colliding ( syk and bogur) collabing is crazy and im loving it

[@alcoholic_fructose]

poor sykkuno tho, he had fun with scrims and the wolverine and everything but twitch showed up and said no joy for you

[@caitlyndekok2141]

Poor doki getting hit in the crossfire of all this drama

[@PoliAstroN]

Bogur looks so excited to be part of a drama lmao. Twitch is incompetent in every regard, twitch rivals is no different

[@veo16]

Twitch rivals is a joke. It should be scrambled teams. And just see how it goes. No tournament brackets, just scrims with scrambles. For content and lols.

[@chonky2129]

the editing in the first 3 minutes legit fried my brain

[@Azarthes]

Imagine watching a tournament filled with plat players that are also just chatting streamers

[@ToraStrife]

i remember the Overwatch 2 Showdown drama, the situation with team Summit1g

[@wasntwas]

The fact that the game was completely fine and that it was all twitches incompetence is hilarious.

[@EstellammaSS]

I would like to point out that this is why bureaucracy exists. In the ideal scenario the middle layer smooths the top’s idea out to be functional. It’s not always the best to tell everyone everything. If you remove the middle layer or the middle layer is incompetent these kind of thing happen.

[@sunnyblack3359]

7:33 i like how he tries to murder the fucking mantis for like a minute and they just running the fade like mortal enemies the whole time 😂

[@tonyluiscomedy]

I think the definition of drama has drastically changed from what I thought it was

[@johnny6187]

Twitch was incompetent, and streamers are too scared to say anything about it.

[@JayceCH.]

You know how power trippy they (twitch staff) are right?

[@thekamotodragon]

Almost all of Twitch's decisions are made out of an emotional reaction to things. Everyone working there seems extremely sensitive, incompetent, and unprofessional imo. They hear a few popular streamers whining and then cater to their every whim, even if it's unprofessional or unfair for everyone else. Embarrassing company.

[@silvarafafeitosa]

My only problem is how tf is it almost impossible to find someone diamond or bellow? I'm pretty sure there are way more diamond and bellow than grandmaster

[@dkres82]

That they’re friendly with? That’s all I can think of.

[@CarlosEduardo-gp1nt]

Fufu needs a emotional damage compensation LOL

[@prestonbeaulieu4379]

Is walking around aimlessly as Bruce some sort of GM strat I don't understand?

[@krasmazov009]

It's all about the Sajam Slam baby.

[@PandamoniumBruu]

Every year, Twitch Rivals is a dissaster

[@tortue_]

Holy incompetence bro WHAT IS THIS???

[@Dev_D8]

I just watched him bot walk around as hulk until the enemy team almost caps point and then he hulks out at end and just ez win

[@travisbarke8416]

why tf did they change it to 4 pro players last minute in the first place? Twitch is such a joke can't even organize a simple tournament.

[@ColorDragon]

This is why I only donate directly to streamers. Twitch is terrible.

[@GrunkleRissi]

almost 100k from dramamaxxing good job

[@inflame1306]

I can't imagine you being an organizer of such a big and public event, and you fumbled SO MUCH multiple times before event even starts

[@vikkstardoom2950]

They should've just kept the original ruleset

[@TrottiexD]

this kinda sounds familiar to other twitch rivals events

[@tinyturtle1898]

RIP team dokibird, I was excited to see them demolish. She got top 500 and has been playing with nightmare, now she counts as a pro-player and would have only been able to take 1 Teammate from nightmare

[@TheDeathAngel8]

I'm just happy that they ended up winning in the end

[@reaperkrew]

So what I'm getting out of this is twitch sucks and they should leave tournaments to netease

[@gamerdudes9083]

Bruh these twitch streamers are the most drama people that exist on earth.

[@areathex4086]

I am not surprised Twitch messed something up lol

[@thelabman]

Twitch should get Sajam organise twitch rivals from now on!

[@jundahbalafif]

so the "whiners" choose not to change their team after the rule changes, got spawn camped , complain about it being unfair, break the entire tournaments line ups again to change the rule again, and still got shiet on when the tournament happen , like bruh , talk about a fart on a wind

[@tft_crumble3086]

I mean Rae is a drame queen, typical woman who yapped all the time and just have exposure cause she's "cute"

[@wenlisman]

@@tft_crumble3086 What an incel comment, take a shower I can smell you through my monitor.

[@CarnageJesterX]

Rules only changed the first time because Necros & Bogur were cheating with 5 Gm+ players instead of having only 2. It all started from that. They dont know how to smurf like other teams did just for twitch not to notice their ranks. Necros & bogur dumb, shrouds team & Xqc team were smart about it. That simple.

[@aqn01]

01:16 Average bogur lobby

[@ahkira1041]

Theres not a year in which something is off with the way Twitch rivals is held. Nothing new

[@shaheedroylance]

Bro EVERYONE was saying the same thing!! Eskay was saying it herself! It genuinely wasn't a fair comp, it needed to be done! It would've been changed either way.

[@johnteo313]

Even though it needed to be done, It should have been done way earlier. Not 1 day before the actual tournament. Some team captains were even confirming with Twitch Rivals organisers if their team line up was ok multiple times which they confirmed it was. Then they decide to change it last minute.

[@reaper420hz]

its supposed to be fun for viewers ans spec but when its a team of top players vs reg players and streamers then its not fun

[@sqpenn]

Holy shit twitch devs are actually deficient

[@starveformore8152]

12:38 Jarvis, Tell hulk to solo ult smash puny streamer banner

[@GroundUnderMedia]

How to not run an event.

[@saskilla1945]

in summary twitch made a mess

[@9000twister]

Look i hate to be THAT guy but Valkyrae and Poki do this shit with twitch events alot like ALOT, Complaining till something for THEM changes, The big girls on twitch dont get reprimanded for their behavior ever.

[@FranTheNerd]

reprimanded for....pointing out their ruling change was bad?

[@9000twister]

@FranTheNerd When only two teams are really getting 'balanced' regardless yeah it was bad lol

[@tigers8969]

Well I think twitch new that all this would happen so they created the drama to make it more talked about

[@greenarcane7876]

Necros is not a good person. I want to watch and support Bogur's channels (because i believe bogur is a good guy), but seeing necros having an audience after saying slurs in voice chat in the last months of overwatch is disturbing.

[@masato3981]

Oh no, SLURS? Good heavens, how evil

[@JayceCH.]

Named every single competitive streamer. Damn.

[@pixelspixelation6418]

Oh noo not slurs

[@williscanada1206]

proof? i thought necros was one of the normal ones, hope he isnt a weirdo

[@callmehdark6947]

I thought it said marvel rivals😂

[@ocping]

Twitch being horrible at organising events as usual.

[@krissasterisk]

such a goofy situation

[@noobboon2579]

Everytime i see valkyrae clips shes always malding and shouting

[@MyuNeptune]

Twitch rival incompetence continues...this happens almost EVERY DARN TIME and they still f* up and don't learn anything. Pathetic. XD I feel bad for all the participants.

[@GreenLew]

D tier drama

[@ryana1713]

My favorite KZbinr, booger

[@versita3827]

Too bad all the other teams, except Eskay's team, ignored the 2 pro player rule. What a mess.

[@engkong5823]

git gud, low skill streamers

[@gamecompany480]

not ignored, the rules got updated mid team builds and the team eskay was on chose to keep the players they had. at 3:10 timestamp he explains it if you missed that part of the timeline.

[@versita3827]

@@gamecompany480 You clearly haven't watched any of the actual tournament. They went from a 2 pro player limit, to a 4 pro player limit, and then the day before the tournament (after Bogur's team's scrim with Eskay's team) they brought the limit back to 2, so Bogur had to remove Kayjii and ml7. There are other teams in the competition that have 4 GM+ players including players who placed very highily in the S0 Marvel Rivals tournament. Basically Necros' and Bogur's team got super nerfed while all the other teams got to keep their super stacked lineups. If you just watch the end of Bogur's tournament stream yesterday, you'll hear him and his team complain about this nonsense.

[@CarnageJesterX]

@@versita3827 Necros & Bogur just had 5GM+ players & got the tournament rules changed last minute because they cant beat shroud or XQC teams. Thats what happened LOL Other teams smurfed & tricked twitch by their rule standing of plat down. SO nobody played ranked so they looked under leveled just for the tournament, its sort of cheating. Necros & Bogur were trying to compete but had 5 GM+ players, it was obvious. Thats why they got punished. Other teams were smart about it.

[@1tsjustpasta]

What a mess

[@YumiGoblin]

Dude, streamers and their communities are legit the most overdramatic crybabies sometimes lol. That's all this sounds like to me is Sykkuno was understandably bummed and his community cried so loud that Twitch had to bend over backwards to appease them and that just opened the doors to more stupid shit. Twitch is so disorganized now tho so idk who's still surprised lol

[@dkres82]

They should have just kept the rules the same

[@ChickenGod1399]

BINGUS!

[@shotgunkitty7949]

I'm legit at 8 minutes.. and I'm SO CONFUSED Edit: done the video 🤣 imo Valk had no right and their team had no right to crash out on YOUR TEAM that hard. Like talk to Marvel Rivals but don't be salty like that. She is a big streamer and needs to rein it in a little. It was a mistake on the Twitch teams part.. I felt like it was almost mean girl behavior than anything to watch those clips..

[@aidan_cro_vamp]

I hate you for throwing Kraans game.

[@mankey648y]

Ngl watching you yap and then the game play is your running around aimlessly for most of a match just gives me anxiety. Tho I know it is prob quickplay so w/e. Just anxietyyy

[@truv_]

anxiety from that?

[@grimfors9671]

go outside

[@dukeofgotham4311]

What are you talking about? 😭

[@orieLab_]

Seek medical help please

[@mankey648y]

@grimfors9671 Not sure why you assume that would change anything.

[@MalikSparrow]

It was just unfair for all involved

[@valorvisualsco]

you got friend period

[@alize9111]

Was the new rule good? No but Rae had the chance to change her team (like bogur did) to fit the new rule and she didn't want to. So why cry about it

[@minty2119]

Its was abe’s team, rae was not the leader. Abe said it would be rude/mean to kick his teammates, they were one of the first teams to lock in their players. They’ve been practicing together for weeks, kicking someone after all that would be hella rude 😭😭

[@alize9111]

@minty2119 he made It seem like it was Rae was leader. In the end tho that whole dilemma happened to other teams. Teams training together for weeks only to get snuffed by the rules.

[@CarnageJesterX]

@@alize9111 Bogur & Necros made the rule change happen by complaining they couldnt find low rank players. Get your facts straight. Necros & Bogur just had 4GM+ players & got the tournament rules changed last minute because they cant beat shroud or XQC teams. Thats what happened LOL

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

Because that is not something an event should expect. Since when is it professional to randomly be like nope your cut because the rules changed and force your participants to make the cuts. That’s completely and utterly unacceptable in pretty much any type of somewhat professional setting. That’s not even something you should do in your personal settings. It’s rude to say “yeah you actually aren’t good enough to play with us.” And I do not blame ABE…whose team it was at all for not accepting that. The rule should have never changed as people made up bs excuse that they ‘couldn’t find lower elo players’ not to even get into the fact these are busy people. For some maybe it’s easy to clear the schedule in fact some in the tournament were probably going to play Rivals anyways but taking time to scrim/vod review, take criticism, and attend a 2 day event. Like you gotta clear your schedule for that kinda stuff.

[@aliencreative9360]

also what the f kind of tournament gets organized 2 WEEKS BEFORE IT'S LIVE????? Of course sh*t is going to hit the wall. DUH.

[@yenneferofvengerberg4936]

Or you could just git good

[@vanilakino]

0:50 harro bro