Bojack Horseman - Beatrice Talking to Henrietta

[@adrienelson7358]

"You'll meet a man, a good man..." Proof she isn't as dead as we thought. She may seem harsh and cruel but she actually cares

[@alisonpurgatory85]

As Diane said, who you are is the things you do. No deep down. Beatrice was harsh and cruel… and she did care. Not one or the other

[@BeaverChainsaw]

Even more impactful is that this woman fucked her husband and Beatrice still cares enough to help her out of pity

[@nonbinarygenderqueerhomosa8820]

Too bad that kindness was never directed towards her SON. She's a wicked monster that deserves only death

[@user-pi3hd2bt3f]

The only reason she tried to help Henrietta was because she saw her younger self in her, probably said to Henrietta what she wished someone else said to her. One act of kindness to what is basically a stranger doesn't erase a life time of cruelty towards her own son

[@Onigirli]

@@user-pi3hd2bt3f "doesn't erase a life time of cruelty towards her own son" Nobody has or will ever seriously claim to think that it would, who are you even refuting?

[@giovanyzegarra1452]

Beatrice did something good in the end, hollyhock grew up the better one in the family and the one breaking the curse

[@girlbossgatekeep4821]

Sorry i didn't mean to dislike the comment but your right tho

[@carliejung8408]

yeah...

[@AM-ur7ow]

Yep

[@liv4lyf735]

Who wouldn't want to be raised by eight wonderful Dads?❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@ericferrey1706]

She tore a child from a mom who did want her. She projected her own problems onto Henryetta's situation. Plus, Butterscotch would never have been in Hollyhocks life anyway (for more than one reason.) So F*ck Beatrice.

[@lewismarco7505]

"Don't let that man poison your life the way he did mine" Wow, so much venom, hate, bitterness and regret packed into one sentence! Kudos to Wendy Malik.

[@tylerf381]

Sometimes I think the person she refers to is bojack

[@Dragonking-fd1qv]

@@tylerf381 no she’s referring to her husband starting the whole thing

[@sarahl9398]

Gives me chills

[@gianaross249]

@@tylerf381 why tf would she be talking about bojack

[@ParoleOfficer000]

@@gianaross249 maybe because she told him, while he was still a child, *"You ruined me, Bojak."*

[@paxpacis2]

She sounds so cruel here but she was right in the end. Bojack's life was fucked from the start and Hollyhook was allowed a happy life with a loving family.

[@ericferrey1706]

Hollyhock would have been happy with her birth mother too.

[@conejocapitalista6116]

@@ericferrey1706 no

[@AGolfHitter]

@@ericferrey1706 no she wouldn't have.

[@ericferrey1706]

Do you have a reason Henrietta wouldn't have been a good mother? Keep in mind it is highly unlikely Butterscotch would have been in Hollyhocks life, especially considering he'd die a few years later. It just pisses me off that anybody is excusing Beatrice AT ALL. You all understand she did this all for selfish reasons, right? If Henrietta kept the child, Butterscotch (and by extension Beatrice) would be on the hook for financial support. Butterscotch begged his wife to fix this and she did.

[@AGolfHitter]

@@ericferrey1706 Beatrice literally says it. "Who is going to take care of the baby because God knows he won't." She wouldn't have been able to finish school, Butterscotch would have abandoned them both, Henrietta probably would have regretted having a child so young and probably ended up resenting Hollyhock. Being a child with a parent who regretted having kids young and leaving myself and my brother home alone all the time, I definitely know what it's like.

[@princesscarolyn1063]

This show did great by not shaming Henrietta for her mistake. She slept with the man married to the woman she worked and cared for, and ended up coming to her for help. She was portrayed as nothing more than a vulnerable, misguided young woman who was manipulated by a man twice her age, and more than contempt, Beatrice had sympathy for her.

[@ericneely3028]

To be a cartoon it did such a good job portraying the real world

[@ericneely3028]

@@notting2640 awww someone is upset cuz girls don’t like them 😭

[@fatcat5817]

Unless she was underage, she is a full grown woman who was stupid. And should die with her choices and regrets. Infantilizing women! Yay! 🤩😍 They obviously are children and shouldn't vote is they are not held accountable! 🤭 Thank the U.N. for lowkey endorsing pedophilia. 😚

[@ExternusArmy]

Why? She should be shamed. She didn’t know right from wrong because he came into her? She is old enough to know better than to have an affair in the house of the person that’s paying you. A child could tell you that’s a wrong thing to do. If you’re saying flirting is manipulation, you’ve lost the plot. It’s not right what he did and I can see how someone would make the mistake she mad. The consequences being as difficult as they are also evoke sympathy. But what you’re doing, absolving her of actions, justifying it despite how clearly wrong and horrible it is, is wrong. She should be shamed because it is clearly wrong and even the most naive person would know that’s wrong, This almost sounds like one of those bad excuses people give to justify cheating as a ‘mistake.’

[@Masterdesstruct]

Yeah, women have no agency and they are always the victims of men and the evil system!. When are we going to make women responsible for their actions? This is why i hate yall people and this show so much

[@hotshoes5]

i understand you Beatrice, you big beautiful bundle of hate.

[@Someone7641]

I see you, Beatrice

[@lovewillsetyoufree]

This comment right here. This show made me realize I see my mother in Beatrice. I see her now... that little innocent child that is so scared and I can’t be mad at her

[@kayleecrane4855]

@@eliotkersten2073 LMFAO

[@Amandaisherejpg]

Amandaishere.jpg Sweet Amanda, in the Lake Wonder how much She can take Cut Her finger, take her ring Bruise her up, black as sin Shoot Her down, blind her eye Bury Her in the night. See the arms, shake in fear Here She is, Amanda is here.

[@rikkapotatosalad4721]

@@lovewillsetyoufree same

[@cocoah7731]

"Don't do what I did." I think that when Beatrice is saying this, she's not only referring to how she got stuck in a conflicted marriage and gave up her youth, but also what she did to Bojack. She doesn't want Henrietta to become stuck with a baby, ruining not only herself but also her child's life and be a part of her trauma like Beatrice was to Bojack.

[@hadbetterdays8118]

It's true Butterscotch poisoned her and the baby

[@MetalGameRising]

She only said that to save Henrietta's future. She doesn't regret for ruin Bojack's self-esteem.

[@computermash8542]

@@MetalGameRising i don’t doubt she doesn’t regret hurting bojack but it seems like she’s more upset with herself for not living up to her idea of motherhood. she’s disappointed in herself, not her actions

[@phoenixfrommars5832]

from what i can tell, Beatrice was pushed around by the Man in her life, and beeing so cruel to Bojack, her child that searched her approval might have been a way to get back at the Man that she couldn´t stand up to. her Father, Butterscotch. but with her and Bojack she was the stronger party becoming the abuser instead of getting abused. It becomes clear that Bea and Butterscotch abused each other, even though in a colder way than what is typicly dipicted as abuse.

[@Lucidtundra]

HAHAHA dont have da kid bro

[@taylorslade8080]

Damn, I kind of hate Beatrice but this made me respect her a bit.

[@MrDzoni955]

Why?

[@taylorslade8080]

Terriccota Pie honestly, in a way I think that Beatrice knew how sucky her life was and didn't want anyone else to end up like her. Henrietta was already down on her luck, imagine being out of job and not being able to pursue your passions because you're pregnant with the child of a man who won't give you a second glance. I personally believe that, in this scene, Beatrice thought Henrietta might grow to hate her own child because she would have missed out on a lot of things, just like Beatrice herself did with Bojack. Beatrice didn't want this to happen, so despite the fact that this girl slept with her husband, she wanted to give Henrietta the chance she could have had herself. And as for the baby, it'll have a chance at gaining happiness. A slim one, but a chance nonetheless.

[@Papanda1995]

I think in a way she felt like it would make up for her own regrets. If she had the chance to go back and change everything, she would, but she can’t. So, instead, when the exact same situation came up again, she was determined to choose differently this time, even though she was choosing for someone else. I don’t think she was really doing it for Henrietta out of sympathy, as much as getting as close as she could to undoing her own “mistakes”

[@MaartenvanRossemLezingen]

No, she regrets the things she's done in these memories. Someone made a very good analysis about this on KZbin. In her memories, the people she can't remember simply have no face, they're not important, but Henrietta does have a face, however someone crossed it out with a pen. In life, just like with a pen, you can't erase the mistakes you've made, the lines on Henrietta's face symbolize pen strokes. Abortion is one thing, but giving birth to a baby and seeing it taken away from you right in front of your eyes that's traumatizing as hell. Hence when Beatrice takes away Henrietta's baby the pen scrabbles try to obstruct the entire screen as Henrietta starts screaming, cause Beatrice regrets what she's done to her. You could see the same pen scrabbles when Beatrice's dad threw her doll into the fire. Not my theory but I completely agree with it. Abortion may have been a good option here, but taking away a baby from a screaming mother is NEVER a good idea. Henrietta clearly wanted the baby though, and she already had a picture of her and knew her sex, so I think even abortion would have been traumatizing here.

[@ericalmilloh1653]

Taylor Slade ii

[@valentinpalombo4699]

I've hated Beatrice since the first episode she showed up, but when you hear how painful she said "Don't do what i did" makes you feel a little respect for her.

[@jorgel.quiroz8862]

It's so sad to see Beatrice being kind and cheerful before Butterscoch entered the scene.

[@YarbroK]

I agree. I love this show because how complex all the characters are.

[@Lady-Seashell-Bikini]

I just hate how she blamed Bojack when she should have blamed herself.

[@Audrey378]

The one good thing Beatrice ever did. She saved that girls life.

[@matiaspincheira7571]

And hollyhock's life

[@marvelousmeh2077]

This is the kindest thing Beatrice has done. She knows what can happen since it already happened to her. She saved Hollyhock for potential abuse as she was raised by wonderful families. She saved Henrietta despite hating her at the same time for sleeping with her husband assuring she can finished her studies which Beatrice failed to do.

[@kristen3715]

beatrice has a bigger heart than people woudl think. instead of hating her for saving henreietta from never fulfilling her dreams and also saving hollyhock from potential abuse, people should love her.

[@violetgeoda2913]

@@kristen3715 "people should love her" um, what?

[@WhateverArtist]

@@kristen3715 See, you had me in the first half, but lost me in the second. I agree that Beatrice did have an heart, but that's not enough to overlook straight up child abuse, okay. We have to be somewhat reasonable here.

[@alisonpurgatory85]

I don’t think Beatrice hated Henrietta. She seemed to pity her. Like ‘oh you fell for his shit too huh’ like she saw her younger self In Henrietta. Maybe mild resentment at most but I don’t see hatred in the way she talks to Henrietta here

[@evanderzufarsetiawan2511]

​@@kristen3715i think you meant give her some credit

[@autumnfranklin6790]

“Oh don’t do that what does that solve” sounds a lot like “remember what we say about crying, crying is stupid”

[@user-pi3hd2bt3f]

Except she sounds way more kind than her dad did

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

@@user-pi3hd2bt3f And she does try and comfort Henrietta in her own way.

[@patriciaviczmandy649]

She loved her dad and lived by the lessons of his and her mom

[@anxiouscampcamppotato5930]

It's hard to believe she can be that calm torwards a woman who slept with her husband.

[@winchest961]

I'm so done lolol it's not like she loved him or anything it was just a marriage of convenience and she was too prideful to divorce him.

[@anxiouscampcamppotato5930]

Sheldon George true but still I would feel a bit betrayed

[@FilmmakeroftheFuture]

Diane Nguyen She still was fully aware of it though.

[@NeoEveryhobby]

A woman who could very easily be his daughter, so yes, Hollyhock could be his granddaughter.

[@shelby5897]

She doesn't really care for her husband these days

[@faultytv2180]

I mean... Bea had a point. I've seen people have children and - not meaning this coldly - they have ruined people's lives because of their situation. Beatrice is a fact to this, and the only reason she didn't abort Bojack was because she was traumatized.

[@bbypink9844]

It is cold to blame it on the children, who has no choice in the matter... they’re just trying to exist. Saying things like “they messed up people’s lives” is fucked up.

[@no1reallycaresabout2]

@@bbypink9844 I dont think FaultyWires is trying to blame the children as people but rather people who bit off more than they could chew

[@xxfree-forevloverxx9325]

@@bbypink9844 you got it wrong

[@Xxsorafan]

@@bbypink9844 I don’t think they meant it like that it’s just a child is a much bigger responsibility than people expect. There’s no way Henrietta could have had the time to finish school and have a baby. Instead of having a mother that would barely support she was placed into a family that could spare her everything she needed

[@cxtcutsml706]

600th liikee

[@ianbattles7290]

"Please believe me: YOU DONT WANT THIS." Henrietta should listen to her *because Beatrice speaks from experience, not hate.* She actually feels sorry for the girl because she sees her younger self in Henrietta.

[@marialosadavazquez1151]

Se portó más como madre con Henrietta que con BoJack.

[@sarahnour5561]

You've got to give Beatrice some credit here. She wasn't able to break the cycle of toxicity with Bojack, but she broke the cycle for Hollyhock. It was thanks to her that Hollyhock grew up in a loving home. She can't ever make up for abusing Bojack, but she had enough compassion and self-awareness to save another mother and child from a similar fate.

[@jraxreviewsxcosplayxmore6934]

The emotion in Beatrice’s voice “don’t do what I did” she knows she messed up, she knows bojack needed better, she regrets it

[@sakurashy8492]

Beatrice helping out Henrietta was the kindest thing she has ever done but it was still cruel of her to not let her hold Hollyhock. You know it would have been interesting if she attended her funeral. Would have been interesting to see how she would interact with Bojack.

[@paper2941]

Damn I wish that now, maybe he could’ve got closure and understanding that Beatrice wasn’t all bad. Definitely interesting when you think about it

[@isaiahcaston4539]

It was a cruel but a necessary evil. Henrietta holding the baby only to have to give her away would've killed her more than not.

[@AM-ur7ow]

@@isaiahcaston4539 exactly. Not to mention that she might have wanted to keep the baby in the end. While it sounds mean, it was necessary since I doubt HollyHock would've turned out the way she did if she was with Henrietta.

[@Amandaisherejpg]

Amandaishere.jpg Sweet Amanda, in the Lake Wonder how much She can take Cut Her finger, take her ring Bruise her up, black as sin Shoot Her down, blind her eye Bury Her in the night. See the arms, shake in fear Here She is, Amanda is here.

[@xhappyponyxwasmyoldname1395]

To be fair, if she held Hollyhock, there’s no way the girl would’ve given her up. As terrible as it is, it really was what was best for both Henrietta and Hollyhock in the long run

[@MissFlow]

I don't know why but I like that Hollyhock turns out to be Bojack's halfsis more than his daughter. Dunno, it changes the arc a lill bit, since he doesn't have to be a dad (even though he tries to) and I have a soft spot for GOOD written sibling relations.

[@weebshrimp7617]

OMG SAME

[@shadowboy2818]

too bad their relationship ended though with just one letter....

[@paper2941]

I kinda wished that hollyhock was his daughter, bojack wanted a family and or atleast a child and even though he sabotaged himself when it came to love and relationships, hollyhock made him better as a person and made him more vulnerable in times when he’s needed to be. Although being a sister wouldn’t change that it’s hits different when you thought hollyhock was his secret daughter.

[@yagirl2124]

@@paper2941 i agreed with you at first. i was SO ANNOYED that hollyhock ended up being bojack’s half sister rather than his actual daughter, but then i realized that bojack doesn’t deserve biological children… even if he wasn’t the one to actually have to be The Parent for the first 17 years of her life (bc she had her adopted dads)- he doesnt deserve an actual child who is literally his by blood 🤷‍♀️ at the end of season 4, you can see that bojack actually WANTS to be a good dad to her and actually HAS the potential to not mess her up life and BE a father to her. he had the capability to truly be somewhat of a good parent but………. even then, he doesn’t deserve it. after taking part in messing up all the other kids and women in his life (sarah lynn, penny, ethan, etc…), he doesn’t get to suddenly have a daughter to take care of

[@carebear8655]

@@yagirl2124 He didn’t deserve it, maybe, but he, like everyone, deserved a chance if he was going to try to be better. Maybe I’m overly empathetic or see that good in BoJack more than most, but I think having a family of his own would have been good for him.

[@greciafajardo2072]

1:15 Look at Beatrice’s eyes and how her tone of voice changes you can really tell how much she regrets how her life turned out in that moment.

[@sodiumfine8157]

the one time i respect beatrice. shes still a god awful person, but i can get behind this speech

[@jessicakakern4571]

As cruel as it was, she cared about her enough to let her follow her dreams

[@TheWorstOtter2912]

This is also decently good advice in life if your in Henrietta’s situation, especially if your already struggling with money, because you could end up hurting the kid more than helping them if you can’t support them

[@talzaenvy]

Wendie Malick deserves so much credit for her work in bojack horseman so good at representing Beatrice as a bitter and spiteful person yet someone who never lived up to her potential

[@robaidhinnes8678]

Beatrice had a terrible draw in life... but honestly that doesn’t excuse what she did to BoJack. She destroyed him, out of spite for her own horrible life choices as if it was his fault. She doesn’t deserve redemption and it’s too late anyway, but BoJack does. And there’s still time...

[@Endershock1678]

I think that's the point. You aren't able to forgive her, or justify her actions, but you can start to sympathize with her. At the end, BoJack tried to comfort her, meaning he has a chance to fix his relationship with her before the end. This is a show about redemption, so maybe she can fix herself too. Not completely, but she can try.

[@StarrChild.]

It's well too late for Bojack. He burns every chance he has. He has no redemption left in him. Same as his mother, same as his father. He's broken.

[@Endershock1678]

In the words of Drug High Diane: "It's never too late... It's never too late to be the person you want to be." You say he's burned every chance, and in a way, he has, but humans never really stay better (or horses), we are on an up and down spiral of good and bad that changes over time. Yeah, his friends shouldn't give him any more chances, but it's not too late for him. Season 4 is proof it's not too late for him. He put effort into helping Hollyhock, into helping her find her mother with no gain for himself, and when he had the chance to tell off his mom, he didn't take it, choosing to take the high road and comfort her. Yeah, he's still BoJack, but he's growing, proving it's not too late to change.

[@sketchyjulia]

Endershock1678 it’s too late for Beatrice. She’s now a senile old hag rotting away in a nursing home, and she’ll continue to deteriorate until she dies

[@sonicfreak04]

@@sketchyjulia she died after season 5

[@torchhead4524]

Henrietta scenes like this and the birth of Hollyhock is probably the most realistically disturbing scenes in the series. The realness of the situation and the way her face is blurred is just something a true adult-oriented show should be about.

[@rocbenaa1963]

Her face is blur because is in Beatrice's memory, so she doesn't remember her face.

[@red2121]

henrietta's voice is just so nice to listen to, or is that just me

[@brandonb4742]

Shaina Gonzales nah same

[@icepic21]

Shaina Gonzales had a friend who talked just like her. And wouldn't you know it, she's going through nursing too. Wish she had a heart like Henrietta did though. Dodged that gold digging bullet like the matrix.

[@CeeHoff]

She really nailed the crying part. It actually felt like she wasn't even acting.

[@metalmassiah1994]

Same ❤️💕

[@LadyLeomon]

It’s just you, the way she says “I don’t know what else to dooo!” and the way she is hinting at Beatrice paying for her schooling before Beatrice offered it honestly just irks me to head 😤😤😤

[@carmena.gonzalezrios8372]

I think Henrietta very much like Bojack let the sitcoms tv shows affected her view point of reality , thinking everything could get fixed at the end. You see it in soap operas all the time, when poor girl meets a sensible rich man who is in an unhappy marriage with an evil women, later he decides to leave his evil wife to be with the poor girl and from there on everything is hearts and flowers but of course the world doesn’t work like that, people are much more 3-dimensional than they first appear to be, Butterscotch’s money wasn’t even his and that evil women (Beatrice) was the one who helped Henrietta went to everything and the one who always stood by her side

[@Charlesperalo]

People keep saying Beatrice doesn’t deserve redemption or Bojack doesn’t deserve it. Both of them had terrible lives they came from. Eventually someone needs to offer forgiveness so the next generation is okay.

[@tylerf381]

Every can be redeemable if they try to be better

[@Al-fm8kh]

Wow funny seeing you here Charles

[@MrJuanito931228]

Regretting you had a child when you weren't ready doesn't make you a bad parent or having thoughts about not wanting a child. But it is when you make the child suffer for it as if their very existence is sin.

[@rhondahoward8025]

At least Beatrice doesn't want someone else to repeat her mistakes.

[@CeliMe007]

Beatrice was brutal but she was telling the truth.

[@moptop1052]

I have so many conflicting feelings about Beatrice. It's the part of parenthood that no one likes to talk about: it completely consumes you. It doesn’t matter how much you love your child: once you've had children, that role of "parent" is now 80% of your life. For PC, that was great, because that consistent love & connection was really what she needed. However, Beatrice obviously had a strong soul from a young age, & particularly from the whole thing with Crackerjack & their mother, it's totally understandable that she'd view motherhood as a burden. It's not that she hated Bojack; it's just that Bojack is a never-ending reminder of the life she never had, & she projects that onto him. Not that that excuses any of her actions, but she's just as tragic as Bojack, if not more-so

[@myrnacaraig2681]

We can hate Beatrice all we want, but we can respect her on this, she's making sure Henrietta doesn't go down a horrible path

[@juliantapia1407]

Even if she can't remember all the right details of the moment, it says a lot that Beatrice remembers what she said to Henrietta, how crucial that warning felt to give.

[@allisonbilbey1948]

Weirdly enough I actually agree with Beatrice a lot here. She’s harsh about it but in a strange way this probably set her on a better path as well as her daughters of course

[@crono3015]

It's sad because it's the truth.

[@magicjewel96]

This is probably the first time in so long that Bea has opened up to someone. The first time she has directly confronted what she has done and how it has affected those around her and damaged the one who depended on her. She exposes a vulnerable part of herself and implores this girl to do better and make the choices that will actually allow her and by extension her child, to be happy. She did all this for this one person...and she can't even remember what she looks like...

[@perdles5963]

If you would have told me at the start of season 4 that I would genuinely feel sorry for and have respect and understanding for Beatrice (even if she is still a very flawed person) I would never have believed you. What a fantastic show.

[@GeneralCane]

She's such a good character. Even with the series completely concluded you still have most people hating her but the show still gives you grounds to understand why she is what she is.

[@Ross516]

@@GeneralCane I think it's a sign of how well done the show is. The show explains to you why Beatrice is the way that she is, but it never excuses her actions as a result of it. The show simply puts things in your hands, of "Here is what she did, here is how she justifies it, and here's what really happened." And you are the one who gets to make the call on how you feel about her

[@indigothecat]

Calling it in Season 5, Bojack will meet Henrietta and start to understand why his mother was so bitter and begin to respect her again. Also... Butterscotch said that his mother had the forehead diamond like Bea, and Chestnut hair like Henrietta... they thought he was lying, but Hollyhock actually has both! He was telling the truth!

[@frakkintoasterluvva7920]

Butterscotch apparently had some Oedipal issues.

[@luke666808g]

Getting closure is the sort of thing that only happens in movies, I don't think they (the writers) are going to give us that.

[@mr.peanutbutter6969]

Sounds good

[@raina1887]

Once Bojack starts to respect his mom, she dies 👌

[@Havs122]

I don't think that could justify how mean was Beatrice to Bojack, I mean that is an explanation but at the end, you are the one who decide what kind of person you want to be after your scars

[@silviaalmeyda423]

The best thing Beatrice could do for Hollyhock was giving her away from the Horseman poison

[@y2k21]

I like how Beatrice blacked out her face in this memory.

[@TheWolfsHowl666]

"Do you really want this child?" "I think so...?" The hesitance in her voice proves Beatrice was right. She wasn't ready for this. Bea did her and Hollyhock a favor.

[@alyssaglass1274]

beatrice is my favorite character in this show. she’s a very bad person at times yes but her life was so sad and the way she does things and reacts is just i don’t know very real

[@momadank]

The first time Beatrice showed raw and true emotion since the death of her mother. Truly heartbreaking given the circumstances.

[@jamieboeckel5143]

I also love the detail of Butterscotch using the same tactic of Henrietta reminding him of his dead mother he saw in a picture once that he used on Beatrice. For Beatrice, is was her triangle, and for Henrietta it was her hair. Beatrice quickly realizes this and Henrietta sounds surprised that she knew that. This show is constantly amazing

[@gingerlemon865]

My mom never blamed me for her grief but Beatrice reminded me of my mom and how she regretted getting with my dad because of how poisonous he is.

[@princessmarlena1359]

Sorry to hear that

[@gingerlemon865]

@@princessmarlena1359 Another reason why I'm afraid to get into any romantic relationship.

[@ravanathewindagocannibal7213]

@@gingerlemon865 I respect you just avoid the ones who will poison someone's life

[@XenonPrimeSBSV]

It was interesting seeing this show how abusive and mostrous people are also capable of care and humanity. It doesn’t take away from the evil they do to others but it does show that they're not innate monsters, that in different circumstances they could have been better.

[@AbsurdExistentialist]

0:55 real talk This whole episode fucked me up.

[@TheLovelybbe]

AbsurdExistentialist her life was fucked up from the start

[@SiRenfield]

One detail that it took a while for me to notice, the traits Butterscotch says his mother has (Beatrice’s diamond and Henrietta’s brown hair) also describe Hollyhock which seems to imply she looks a decent amount like her grandmother

[@scottibrown3274]

I remember there was one comment I came across that in this particular episode that was mainly focused on Beatrice, Henrietta’s face was the only one that had the black squiggle line over it while the others just had blank faces, which symbolizes that she remembered Henrietta but wanted to forget her, while the blank faces showed that she didn’t remember them

[@user-ps4lx8qq2c]

The black squiggly lines could also mean she wants to remember but can't.

[@phoenixprincess1997]

Probably the kindest thing she’s done, the very definition of “cruel to be kind”

[@infjmale91]

She was protecting her, as messed up as she made it sound.

[@robinpowell4398]

Nobody gives Beatrice credit for being the hard but true queen she is here. She has my respect.

[@lovewillsetyoufree]

Guys this thought came across my head and I just wanted to share it with this community. I’m not much of a great analyzer but this thought just hit me. We all know that Henrietta has her face scratched out and then that line transitions to the scene of baby Beatrice crying in pain for her baby. We all know that those two scenes are connected and while there has been many great explanations to why that is no one ever mentioned guilt... Beatrice as a child felt so much guilt and shame for not being able to protect her baby. The same guilt she feels as an adult when she took Henrietta’s baby away. In her heart she BELIEVED she did the right thing but something in her soul still ate at her and that was guilt. Deep down she knew a child had to be with their mother but that never ending internalizing fear that loving someone will hurt them outweighed reason. Beatrice feels so much guilt for not being able to protect her childhood baby and now... she feels so much guilt.... towards what she did to Henrietta. Besides I love the way the emphasis guilt in this episode. Guilt is something you don’t want to stare at in the eyes so you avoid it at all cost. Beatrice went to the grave with that guilt still believing she did the right thing but the guilt will always remain. She never accepted her mistake because again how can you accept a mistake when you truly believe you did the right thing? Beatrice was hurt as a child. Her father burned her baby of course she was only going to follow what she was taught. Unlike her father however she felt guilt. But didn’t understand her emotions because her father always told her “crying is stupid.” And “control your woman emotion you don’t want to end up like your mother right?” That’s a lot... for a child.... I love Beatrice. She didn’t deserve to die alone in that hospice. She was just.... a scared little girl in a grown woman’s body. Of course it doesn’t justify the pain she cause Bojack not saying that but she just became more human to me. Or rather I see that scared little girl. How can anyone hate a child right ? I see Bea’s inner child begging for help.

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

Beatrice has a lot of complex emotions about Henrietta. She hates her, she loves her dearly, she is jealous of her, and yet she wants to give her the life she could never have. So it's easier for her to forget Henrietta than try and reconcile all of that.

[@ChelseaPariella]

Some people don't like children very much

[@hayli209]

I actually have a lot of respect for Beatrice in this scene. She sounds mean, but she really wants Henrietta to follow her dreams and do well in life instead of having a child and being part of its trauma like she did with BoJack. She has a lot of care and sympathy.

[@Carbon_Based_Life_Form]

Beatrice saw herself in her, helping her she was helping herself

[@AnkaraAnkaraMessiMessiMessi]

I hella love the animation in this scene, they really put an insane effort on portraying Breatrice's emotions from the amazing VA. So powerfull

[@IAmADragonHearMeRoar]

Beatrice might not have been a good mother to BoJack, but she was incredibly aware of how Butterscotch fucked up her entire life and she didn’t want him to fuck up anyone else.

[@adamgriffith-smith9106]

This episode made me realise that her mistreatment of bojack was likely linked to her frustration with Butterscotch and not Bojack himself

[@frankielovejoy9928]

This scene is so interesting in how it portrays Beatrice as both in the right and in the wrong at the same time for numerous reasons: In a way, she is in the right because she knew from past experiences that Henrietta could have very easily ended up like Beatrice and Bojack: A bitter old woman and an unwanted child. Beatrice didn't want Henrietta to repeat her mistakes, a path Henrietta was already on with Butterscotch. A blank slate was what Henrietta and her baby needed. But Beatrice is, in a way, also in the wrong because she is only looking at the situation from her own perspective specifically. She's pushing her own past traumas onto Henrietta and assuming she will end up just like Beatrice. Beatrice doesn't stop to consider that maybe with proper help and reassurance or something, Henrietta could have ended up differently. And that makes sense because Beatrice was not brought up to be considerate of others, she was not brought up to be reassuring, and was taught that there is only one way to see the world.

[@frann8002]

It's just not realistic to keep the baby and follow the career at the same time. Not only she's clearly low income so she won't be able to get a nanny, but also being a nurse is EXTREMELY demanding so i doubt she would even have enough time to find a partner she can trust on the baby's first years, all of this without mentioning that she hasn't finished college yet and how costy is to have a child. Henrietta's chances of providing a happy life for her daughter and for herself were extremely low.

[@drewstarkeyswife]

@@frann8002exactly. There’s a reason people wait until they have stable jobs to have children

[@paulyou4629]

Beatrice did her the best to help Henrietta, but there is no guarantee that Hollyhock would have been adopted by a loving family

[@sarahl9398]

This episode is easily one of the series' most haunting. I just rewatched it and it still just tears at you to see the intergenerational trauma and abuse, but what Beatrice did here, in her way, made me see her differently.

[@TheMysticWolf1]

well, she was right. You cant raise a kid with nothing

[@Visperrapa]

Real

[@matcha._.000]

it’s better to raise a child in a stable environment than to raise a child in a broken environment

[@BloodRoseKitten]

This was simultaneously the most selfless AND most selfish thing Beatrice ever did.

[@blakeburgess6275]

When she said adoption it hit me so fast my heart sunk so low it's been in my stomach for a month...

[@camilogarciaylasaari1857]

You know you've got good writing when the two thoughts going through my head during this scene are "Beatrice is being horrible to Henrietta" and "I totally understand why Beatrice is doing and saying all of this"

[@princessseraphina8990]

Beatrice was right though. Henrietta would not have been able to care for hollyhock in her state of income. Providing the child with food, clothes, medicine and education, it just would not have worked if she had kept hollyhock. She would have had to given up going to nursing school just to take care of the child, instead of pursuing her dream as a nurse and had become miserable. Just like Beatrice, with her bachelor's degree she would have gotten a very good career but because she chose to marry butterscotch and gave birth to bojack and became a terrible mother she became miserable. So if you think about it Beatrice was doing Henrietta a favor. At least in the end hollyhock grew up with eight kind and generous fathers and she reunited with Henrietta thanks to bojack finding her

[@lilapy1430]

Beatrice is the reason why Hollyhock has a good family. How could something good come out from a terrible mother? Weird things happen.

[@manfred2727]

"you dont really want this - not like this". not. like. this. I really like Beatrice. She doesnt want Beatrice to be alone with her child, without even ended studies, without home, without a child's father who will actually take good care of kid. Beatrice wanted to rescue Henrietta of life she had. She wanted Henrietta to have good job and good husband, who will make a good future for her baby

[@BA-ji1zh]

She just wanted what everyone else wanted: to be seen.

[@LyndseyStar]

Is this funeral parlor B?

[@ohdamnman]

In this case Beatrice was being cruel in order to be kind and sometimes that is truly the most difficult form of kindness to give someone

[@camadams9149]

Beatrice being the only one with common sense. To put it bluntly: If you have a kid while you are poor and unmarried you are selfish & irresponsible. Pivot, correct the mistake, and do better. No one cares what you want, doing what you wanted got you in this situation

[@ipad4948]

Best and deepest episode in a giant series. So many layers in that episode. Writers and cast nailed it

[@fatinaina8226]

Henrietta always sounded so kind

[@bluetwinkiesaregood]

This scenario was so powerful. I cry every time I watch it.

[@GH0STRIDEZ]

I love how she voices Eda

[@nikorucupcake2499]

Ikrr

[@CallMeFreakFujiko]

I've been watching clips of Bojack to remember details that I might have missed the first time and I finally got the answer to one of my questions that I thought the answer to was "lazy character design" which was never satisfactory to me when it's this show. I've always been confused as to why Hollyhock has a diamond on her head despite not being related to Bojack or Beatrice by blood. Before this I watched a clip where Butterscotch tells Beatrice that his mom had a diamond "just like hers." Apparently that wasn't a lie because I just realized that Hollyhock inherited her grandmother's diamond.

[@goodkitty6036]

She had good intentions but I couldn't give away my baby, essentially my family. especially if I had none.

[@civilwarfare101]

This might just be the darkest episode in the show.

[@bethanyoneal5789]

civilwarfare101 This and the episode when Sarah Lynn died

[@sapphirewingthefurrycritic985]

I was not expecting any of that

[@thalasowo3373]

I saw from a Tiktok comment that this was the kindest Beatrice has ever been, and I couldn't agree more. She may be blunt, but you can't deny what she's said is true.

[@ooooo000ooooo]

I find it weird how Henrietta is just being kinda shameless about it. Like she can’t even approach Butterscotch, she had to go to the wife who she helped to cheat on She didn’t even just apologize but still made excuses like it wasn’t wrong because Butterscotch was so nice to her and then still beg for help Beatrice is not a good person but I felt bad for her

[@evanderzufarsetiawan2511]

Maybe she think apologizing is not enough and yes henrietta was wrong for that but then again beatrice didn't care if butterscotch have an affair with other woman. Beatrice probably knew from the start butterscotch having an affair with henrietta and she didn't care. Actually beatrice who approach henrietta not henrietta approaching beatrice. Butterscotch is manipulative and he doesn't come up as this poison man instead he come up as this badboy persona. Henrietta didn't apologize she did apologize

[@ChaoticSerenity]

I think the worst part of this is that, on some level, this is an admission she understands that damage she is going to her own family. She simply doesn’t have it in her to stop because she sees no way out of the unhappiness.

[@patriciaviczmandy649]

She was a better mom to henrietta than was to bojack

[@mevan883]

Because she saw herself in Henrietta, a woman who could still have her dreams/goal in life.

[@hellobot67]

I wish more people would say this rather than " this baby is a blessing and willl love you and you will be happy that you kept your child" Its a live. They leave. You become broke. You miss out. Less people wanna date you. Family will leave you or you will leave your family. And more. DO NOT have a kid kid by someone like this or in any situation where you are broke or in school and think you should drop out

[@gretchencassell3998]

throughout the whole show this scene never fails to make me actually sob

[@AutisticBearLover]

I won’t lie… this reminds me in a strange way of my father’s ex mistress. She was barely 20 and he was mid 40s, and she had a baby girl, my little sister. I grew up hating her at first, but then I realized she was tricked and manipulated by a man twice her age.. And seeing this, it just hurts.. hearing the line “Who’s gonna take care of the baby? Because god knows *HE* won’t.” My dad doesn’t acknowledge my sister either.. this just.. god it made me tear up realizing how close to home this scene is.

[@MichaelTanMusic]

one of the most moving 83 seconds of animated glory i have ever seen.

[@yavit5058]

Butterscoth did not poison Beatrice's life, her life was already poisoned a long time before lol

[@meevins]

no but he arguably sealed her fate. she had been drowning before but managed to stay float before he pulled her under the waves for good.

[@extraspooky819]

This scene made me feel emotions i never thought i knew existed. Im dead serious. No other scene in movie or television can match this. Its scary how real it is.

[@Thecoochincanoocheecreek]

Beatrice at her most sincere, kind and helpful self but she’s still hurting someone

[@user-unos111]

The best thing Bea did in the entire series

[@masterzombie161]

It’s ironic that she rather help the person who slept with her husband, but never for her own son.

[@Spyrica]

It's the kindest thing she's ever done

[@halyketarrant]

My god Henrietta’s scratched face and arc still haunt me today. This was some dark shit.

[@chocolatelover807]

Although she was harsh and mean she was looking for Henrietta

[@Lil4g0tf4ngs]

The reason she is saying all this is because when she was little people were burning her thing cause of this infection or smthing like that, and she LOVED this baby doll and took it with her everywhere and when they were burning her things her dad took the baby out her hands and threw it in the fire

[@MsAlyssaB1]

This really was the best thing for poor Henrietta, she was still immature and naive and Butterscotch took advantage of that. It's implied she's 20 at the most right?

[@athenafollower]

I hate Beatrice, she's a horrible mother, but she has some really good moments, she knows how Henrietta's life would go down and stops her from becoming the bitter and antagonistic person she is. Hell, I would even say she saved Hollyhock from becoming another Bojack (although she later ruined it with the coffee thing)