Bokken vs. Longsword

  Рет қаралды 4,749,384

zukuru

zukuru

Күн бұрын

Пікірлер: 9 000
@Sheepyhead
@Sheepyhead 9 жыл бұрын
Did all y'all complainers in the comments notice how the two martial artists respected each other and had a good time sparring instead of whining about which weapon is objectively best?
@obersaber
@obersaber 6 жыл бұрын
No safety equipment for your opponent does not show respect.
@forestcreature7325
@forestcreature7325 6 жыл бұрын
Except that Kendo armour wouldnt really help that much since its designed for protecting areas where one has to strike to gain a point in an actual match, besides trusting ur opponent notto break ur fingers or ribs is a pretty huge way of showing respect.
@tiemekoenders2853
@tiemekoenders2853 6 жыл бұрын
who wins has more to do with the skills of the individual and less with the weapon they're using
@-westman3619
@-westman3619 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your positive comment.
@kirkcobain093
@kirkcobain093 5 жыл бұрын
@@tiemekoenders2853 well in this scenario yes but in a real life battle between a Knight and a samurai I think weapon choice does count for something
@zildiun2327
@zildiun2327 4 жыл бұрын
Me and my best friend in 3rd grade when we find two rulers:
@4shredder39
@4shredder39 3 жыл бұрын
nah,we did it in 2nd grade
@toyue4201
@toyue4201 3 жыл бұрын
And then the ruler broke...
@humanyter7214
@humanyter7214 3 жыл бұрын
We use to do this in everygrade
@zildiun2327
@zildiun2327 3 жыл бұрын
@@humanyter7214 The real highlight of everyone’s school experience was when you graduated from rulers to yard sticks.
@humanyter7214
@humanyter7214 3 жыл бұрын
@@zildiun2327 lol
@carbon0HUN
@carbon0HUN 8 жыл бұрын
the amount of fucking sword experts under these videos never cease to amaze me lol
@evgenybelilovskiy1205
@evgenybelilovskiy1205 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, half the people here stumble on this video by accident, while the other half is part of the HEMA community so they know more than most.
@alexanderbohm607
@alexanderbohm607 3 жыл бұрын
im here on youtube rec.....☕
@Aaryan.S
@Aaryan.S 3 жыл бұрын
@@evgenybelilovskiy1205 and kendo too. Like me.
@Michael-ll6px
@Michael-ll6px 3 жыл бұрын
While we were enjoying this display of sportsmanship and a demo into a curiosity I’m sure many of us have had at one point, the rest were studying the blade.
@jestfullgremblim8002
@jestfullgremblim8002 3 жыл бұрын
@@Michael-ll6px hahaha nice one
@BrandydocMeriabuck
@BrandydocMeriabuck 4 жыл бұрын
1:48 when you remember you're using a *long* sword
@herrdave920
@herrdave920 4 жыл бұрын
*poke*
@cesare_1302
@cesare_1302 4 жыл бұрын
_r e a c h_
@anthuan2028
@anthuan2028 3 жыл бұрын
Dude straight up forgot how to poke
@gwynbleidd1917
@gwynbleidd1917 3 жыл бұрын
Longsword dude actually won.
@clownman4211
@clownman4211 3 жыл бұрын
S T R E M C H
@NoahWeisbrod
@NoahWeisbrod 9 жыл бұрын
Why does this video have so many dislikes? It's just a fencing bout between two martial artists. It's not making any idiotic claims about the weapons. I thought it was pretty fun to watch.
@DeadXManXsXStare
@DeadXManXsXStare 9 жыл бұрын
+Noah Weisbrod It's because the guy with the longsword is trash
9 жыл бұрын
+Noah Weisbrod The thing is that the guy with LS does not fight by all known "Fechtbuch" art. He just swings it all around playing braveheart stuff. If we want to make such competition let's have two swordmasters from different cultures (or at least fighting according different cultures rules) duel. I do not see "ox" or "plought" stance here, no basic hits, nothing. That's why I geve it dislike.
@NoahWeisbrod
@NoahWeisbrod 9 жыл бұрын
+Urban Kępa Okay, he does stay somewhere between poste breve and longa most of the time.
@breaden4381
@breaden4381 9 жыл бұрын
+Noah Weisbrod They have excellent control with their weapons.
@a.ham.9856
@a.ham.9856 9 жыл бұрын
+Noah Weisbrod It's amusing but the guy with the bokken is missing so many openings that it's distracting. Against a better fencer, the guy with the longsword would have lost each and every time he starting waving it about like he's in a pirate movie. At the least, the bokken could have stopped into his wrists on virtually every 'attack' the longsword guy made.
@Ivytheherbert
@Ivytheherbert 4 жыл бұрын
1:52 The rare double-knockout, otherwise known as "free stuff" to observers when this happened in a real duel.
@TaoistSwordsman
@TaoistSwordsman 3 жыл бұрын
One of thems murdered, the other one got his elbow cut up some. And maybe his thigh poked into depending on some variables
@Mateus-zs3it
@Mateus-zs3it 3 жыл бұрын
yeah, bokken guy was faster in beheading the dude
@BasedApricot
@BasedApricot 3 жыл бұрын
@@TaoistSwordsman Long sword guy with carotid artery is certainly going to die Bokken guy with a cut at around L4 L5 level would likely open up the common iliac artery and descending aorta. Plus the momentum to the upper arm which could damage axillary artery and brachial artery would still be fatal but would last a bit longer than his enemy. In the field they would both die without a doubt. Zero chance of surviving unless they are duelling in the operating room.
@jestfullgremblim8002
@jestfullgremblim8002 3 жыл бұрын
@@BasedApricot exactly haha
@boxofmadness2511
@boxofmadness2511 2 жыл бұрын
i love this coment, and, as a HEMA practitioner, doubles arent that rare, mainly becouse if you are definitely getting hit, hitting back is a good way to avoid your adversary making points (doubles dont count basically you are taught to have absolute control of your enemies sword, you have to be able to hit while also making imposible to be hit, tho i guess thats a bit obvious)
@oscarmike7277
@oscarmike7277 4 жыл бұрын
Both look like they know what they are doing. Holding back on the last half a second to prevent injury.
@johnjay9767
@johnjay9767 4 жыл бұрын
What I appreciate the most is how their opponent respects the strike. More often than not in sparring one person will pull their strike, showing that they could have hit them but did not. My pet peeve is when my sparring partner ignores this courtesy completely and whacks me as I reset for a new round. (Hand to hand)
@leich1m
@leich1m 5 жыл бұрын
Nice to see two different styles testing each others skills. IMHO, considering the use of training weapons and lacking protection it was a fairly even duel. I train with bokken without protection too. The objective is not to actually hit your opponent but to have enough control to end the strike just short of the intented target. I think the comments referring to videogames are quite amusing. Every once in a while we get a gamer in the dojo. They usually don't last very long after they find out that a two hour training session is hard work.. 😂
@ashleyoasis7948
@ashleyoasis7948 3 жыл бұрын
That’s why I love sword better than guns although guns come in different sizes range accuracy and bullets unlike swords there is just not that cultural clash of them clashing together to make a new launguage to see which one is truly better
@josejoaquinbenitez6485
@josejoaquinbenitez6485 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't he supposed to have a tsuka in his bokken to protect his hands?
@heartsofgoldd7388
@heartsofgoldd7388 3 жыл бұрын
Michiel M. I’m quite a rare person, I’m a gamer and a weeb and yet I’m still a brown belt, I never gave up, (most of my friends who were gamers gave up) and now I’m soon going to be learning to use a bokken. Moral of the story: even if your a gamer, you can still be a martial artist.
@heartsofgoldd7388
@heartsofgoldd7388 3 жыл бұрын
@@josejoaquinbenitez6485 yea he should have because if you use a real sword, then not using one will lead to failure, because real Japanese sword are the sharpest swords ever
@viktordl3508
@viktordl3508 3 жыл бұрын
@@heartsofgoldd7388 Not really, the technique used is what makes it the sharpest in practice, fumikomi, using the body instead of the arms and all, but in design there are a lot better weapons to actually cut, the longsword would be an example, not for design, but instead quality in makeshift, if I'm talking about the design then the cimitar. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Jendo apprentice and I think the katana is a wonderful cutting weapon and I love it, but it ain't the best, I might put this as an opinion, because this is actually subjective Also, a friendly bow to a fellow martial artist gamer weeb whatever non quitter
@elmohead
@elmohead 8 жыл бұрын
Katana users will lose 100% of the time in a real fight because they cannot unscrew their pommel and end their opponents rightly.
@elmohead
@elmohead 8 жыл бұрын
Yama Yami look up "end him rightly" meme.
@haochaotsiminh6193
@haochaotsiminh6193 7 жыл бұрын
How will you make some time if you're already at a disadvantage using a naturally inferior weapon? There's nothing more simple to understand than that.
@jorhay1
@jorhay1 7 жыл бұрын
lol correct!
@haochaotsiminh6193
@haochaotsiminh6193 7 жыл бұрын
I admit it is a formidable weapon, but it is nothing when faced with a true warrior with the spirit of the great dragon by his side and a katana to cut down his enemy!
@yimello6267
@yimello6267 7 жыл бұрын
elmohead why is this a meme lmao
@RowanJColeman
@RowanJColeman 10 жыл бұрын
Despite the fanboys in the comments this spar seems pretty equal. These types of videos should really be labelled, "Man with Bokken vs. Man with Longsword". If you swapped out either one with a different fighter the result could be vastly different. Maybe a different guy with a Bokken would be faster and land twice as more hits or maybe a different Longsword guy would wipe out this Bokken guy. It's about the fighter not the style. There are simply too many factors to conclusively say "This style will always win over another style"
@MrManpreetsinghK
@MrManpreetsinghK 10 жыл бұрын
I couldn't have agreed more. Each and every sword, be it Japanese, Chinese, Roman, Greek, Indo-persian, Caucasian, European, turkic, of the Renaissance, etc. has it's negatives and positives, what matters quite a lot is the mind of the swordsman. Techniques, styles, sword types, and a select few other factors that some of these armchair warriors talk about, do not play a big role as compared to the mind of a human. Everything one may learn has to be applied to certain situations and advantages.
@DannyOMoore
@DannyOMoore 10 жыл бұрын
it'd be a safe bet to say; it's the swordsman that wins not the sword.
@willnonya9438
@willnonya9438 10 жыл бұрын
I completely agree. Also at about 1:22 or so the Long sword man pulls what would of been a blow to the head on his opponent, about 4-6 seconds latter the boken guy does the same thing. I just love this video because it shows both of these guys being sportsmen and enjoying the competition.
@DOT107
@DOT107 9 жыл бұрын
though that's why there is different style's to counter the other one :/
@AlwaysReason
@AlwaysReason 9 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say style, but swords do matter. The thrust at 1:48, although ultimately defendable, shows just how much of an advantage in range the longsword has. Add to that no handguard on the bokken and I would be sliding down that blade for his hands and forarms, while staying out of reach all day. They had 3 or 4 double-kills, which is what the guy with the shorter blade almost has to expose himself to, in order to get close enough to hit. Of course, it is not the sword that wins the fight, but these factors just make longsword more forgiving in a one-on-one like this one.
@alphanox-7873
@alphanox-7873 4 жыл бұрын
I love how they fence and no matter how it goes, they honor and respect each other. I don’t know if I’m right or it’s just me, but the kendo practitioner seems more experienced, with how he doesn’t fall for the fake attacks and taunts the other attempts. However, the guy with the longsword adapted quickly, which made it pretty equal, even if either had more experience by their techniques. A lot of people will look at this video as a friendly and honorable sparring session, but others will try to make the katana or longsword seem superior and degrade the skill of the opposite side of the argument. If there’s something I learned all this time being a sword fan and have practiced at least once kendo and a bit of longsword, is that no sword is better than the other, but the techniques and the wielded are who truly make even the most useless piece of junk work the best.
@lukitohaland
@lukitohaland 6 жыл бұрын
0:39 real use of japanese sword technique, but there's no finishing move afterwards
@andreirafaelalias7438
@andreirafaelalias7438 5 жыл бұрын
Nice parry tho
@jangtheconqueror
@jangtheconqueror 3 жыл бұрын
The longsword guy was really visibly off balance too lol watch his feet
@chriswedemann8599
@chriswedemann8599 8 жыл бұрын
I like this fight. considerable skill on both sides, and both fight with respect towards their opponent.
@FaithfulSwordsman1
@FaithfulSwordsman1 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, all to often one of the fighters is much more experienced, or skilled. And respect is also important.
@haochaotsiminh6193
@haochaotsiminh6193 8 жыл бұрын
Respect is important jk
@chriswedemann8599
@chriswedemann8599 8 жыл бұрын
Hao Chao Tsi Minh Those who live without respect die without honor.
@haochaotsiminh6193
@haochaotsiminh6193 8 жыл бұрын
Aye, a man without respect is a man without honor Hail respectmanship!
@brandonactr
@brandonactr 8 жыл бұрын
They are obviously good friends, look at the bromance nudge at the end.
@feelz_4_dayz885
@feelz_4_dayz885 9 жыл бұрын
no helmets. no helmets. NO FUCKING HELMETS
@bmxguy418
@bmxguy418 9 жыл бұрын
Matei Tudor no need. no need. NO FUCKING NEED
@naomiwashinton8102
@naomiwashinton8102 9 жыл бұрын
+Trin Panapan Helmets are for people who want to do it more than once.
@bmxguy418
@bmxguy418 9 жыл бұрын
***** Yeah, you'd rather have them fighting with real katana? This belongs on youtube, not hiddenlol
@SickHarbinger
@SickHarbinger 9 жыл бұрын
+Dwight Schrute Yeah, right... Bokken practice is part of a Martial Art. Learning the form is one of the essential parts of Kendo and Kendo is one of the most respected Sports in Japan and Korea. Handling a Bokken basically equals handling a Katana, which is why higher ranked kendoka often use Katanas for public demonstrations.
@davidmcaliley3495
@davidmcaliley3495 9 жыл бұрын
+Matei Tudor I've been hit in the head with a red oak bokken. It hurt, left a scar, and I learned a valuable lesson. Most of the time, if people are serious about the art, and they have a partner who is also serious, they can tell when a blow is about to go wrong, and they pull back. Kinda like at the end of this video, the guy with the bokken could have delivered a bad blow to the head when the buzzer sounded. But he pulled back. The guy I was sparring with didn't have quite his reflexes. Neither did I. Hence the scar and the lesson. If you don't want to get hurt, play chess. If you don't trust your partner not to hit you badly, don't spar with them. Problem solved.
@JohnHellscream
@JohnHellscream 11 жыл бұрын
Each style has its own advantages. Its all about the fighter. I personally favor the longsword for its versatility, also for the culture it represents (im european). One of the best sword styles ever, created as a martial science by the german, italian, spanish masters etc. Yet, as a general idea, its an advantage for a longsword disciple to learn/practice degree of kendo, kenjutsu, and/or chinese/korean styles etc, just to have a wider point of view, helps building up versatility. I practiced kendo up to a professional level, and some iaido. LS suits me better, but i dont disregard other styles, no matter their point of origin. Also i think, at least in Europe, longsword discipline should expand more, its a cultural thing. We embrace the japanese martial arts, chinese, korean, thai etc, but what about our own?
@davefletch3063
@davefletch3063 Жыл бұрын
Combining the two would be great. Kenjutsu is more refined and taken to a higher level then the western sword methods, most due to westerners not maintaining the practice. The resurrection of the skills will take a long time to make up the difference
@gazzore7339
@gazzore7339 6 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha oh the comments section! Everyone is an expert hahahahaha
@farisomar9974
@farisomar9974 5 жыл бұрын
Agree. Keyboard warrior everywhere.
@Paracelsus00
@Paracelsus00 5 жыл бұрын
You dont have to be expert to say that medieval knight would easy win against Samurai just because katana cannot pierce his armor yikes
@farisomar9974
@farisomar9974 5 жыл бұрын
@@Paracelsus00 lol. Which idiot try to pierce through a plate armor with a sword? Western sword style and easter sword style are very different. U dont use katana with western style.
@Agilku117
@Agilku117 5 жыл бұрын
Gotta love the comment section.
@antiplusch9381
@antiplusch9381 4 жыл бұрын
@@Paracelsus00 we got another expert here...
@Simbad961
@Simbad961 8 жыл бұрын
If they had protective gear and could go all out would be better :/ Cuz of safety both hesitated quite a lot
@0hn0haha
@0hn0haha 8 жыл бұрын
+Seraphim HaanS Though, in a life or death fight, you might be hesitant as well.
@Simbad961
@Simbad961 8 жыл бұрын
+0hn0haha maybe in a duel but with plate armor there is no really need to hesitate. Besides when an actual battle occurred there was no time for slow ass comat. I always imagine it like a game of american football but woth swords xD anyway, not like a samurai and knight would meet but aby bit of protective gear would let them actually to try out cuts. Look up on youtube videos of hema masters fencing or 2 guys with zveinhander techniques :) they all show quite direct hits
@0hn0haha
@0hn0haha 8 жыл бұрын
Seraphim HaanS Ah, I see, you want it to replicate war. I was thinking more of a duel context. I'm a Hema person btw.
@stoffni
@stoffni 8 жыл бұрын
+Seraphim HaanS That is basically how European war was fought. Like American football. You tried to get the best positions (Knowing the battlefield, strategy), then both forces just ran right into each other, the first to falter(Hole in the line) was literally fucked because as soon as you turned around and ran the knights came riding you down. Then you regrouped and do battle again.
@jakubgrzybek6181
@jakubgrzybek6181 6 жыл бұрын
Riveted chainmail vs samurai iron&leather armour.
@redpandemic1081
@redpandemic1081 4 жыл бұрын
One thing that I see regularly in "Katana vs Longsword" videos is that katana wielders (no matter if Aikido, Kendo or Iaido) seem to act more reserved. While the longsword wielder more often jumps around, tries to faint and break his opponents guard physically. I'm no expert whatsoever, yet I would say that I know my way with a katana. During my training the Sensei advised us to stay focused and calm. Like the surface of a lake during a windless night. But also to be ready to break loose like a wave that forces its way through the opponent. My point is, Kendo is pretty intense for your mind. I'd even say that many matches are decided by mental work in Kendo. Of course you need to be fit in shape and form, but it seems to me like HEMA focusses more on actual physical work than mental (may call it mindgames at this point as well.) I'd love to have some of you actual HEMA practicioners thought on this.
@dude4real9455
@dude4real9455 4 жыл бұрын
The mindset of the aikido person here is pretty ideal. Generally any movement creates attacking opportunities if caught before its completion. As you get a better understanding why and when to move or react, the less reason you have to move and flinch and feignt, most of the time. This is something that becomes really pronounced between two people fencing, where one is much more experienced/competent. And moving less, you have more time to react to any oportunities your opponent presents. Think about it this way. When you are not moving you are observing, the more confident you are in knowing when you Have to move and react, the more time you have to observe and wait for a good time to land a hit or create a good opportunity to seize the initiative. The person more reserved towards executing more commited actions, observing and judging from the right distance can see better where and when to strike, though it takes a pretty good fencer to stay in good distance, baiting the opponents strikes, without easily get hit in the process. In this ideal case the unfortunate one trying to move, feignt attack and observe at the same time, has more to work with and as a rule has a worse approach to the fight. Ideally everything you do, either restricts your opponent from immediately hitting you, or severely threatens them, forcing them to go on the defensive. Everything else is fluff, though being only human, working against hesitation and failiure in critical decission making. How we preform is rarely ever up to par with the ideal, though with a capability to demonstrate absolutely impressive skill at times. Ps: most of the time, I'm the hoppity fencer =3
@Trapsarentgay133
@Trapsarentgay133 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if they teach half swording with a katana but it’s a very effective technique with a long sword that requires patience to set up but is super effective
@redpandemic1081
@redpandemic1081 4 жыл бұрын
@@dude4real9455 I do totally agree with you on this one. Though I should add that I'm used to be a quite reserved Kendoka, taking a good time to observe and measure, yet I fail at acting quick enough. So even a calm mind can cost you a point or even the match when your body just can't react the way you want and need it to. That being said, I'm aware that this is nothing I can't work on. Still I need to bring mind and body to one level...
@redpandemic1081
@redpandemic1081 4 жыл бұрын
@@eglib499 I had a bit of sparring by now with a Longsword fencer. And well it was pretty much like in this video most of the time. Not to blow my own horn here, but in our particular setup, I was simply more experienced. I think you have a valid point with the tricks up the sleeve. It came across my mind that Kendo is a pretty straight forward fencing style. After I watched some longsowrd instructions, there is just more to it. By all means. But the fencer needs to be able to put that to use. If the opponent is rather unsure on how to handle you, you really have the upper hand.
@redpandemic1081
@redpandemic1081 4 жыл бұрын
@@Trapsarentgay133 I would love to see that.
@Zero94716
@Zero94716 6 жыл бұрын
For honor.
@Jorji_FCS
@Jorji_FCS 6 жыл бұрын
Knight did it wrong, I saw no vortex spam
@hainghiaminhhainghiminh1719
@hainghiaminhhainghiminh1719 6 жыл бұрын
LOL
@captainskyward2340
@captainskyward2340 6 жыл бұрын
dAUbeNy
@Kojin400
@Kojin400 6 жыл бұрын
orochi wins warden was to slow😝
@낮선사람
@낮선사람 6 жыл бұрын
Looool!hahaha
@andrewk.5575
@andrewk.5575 2 жыл бұрын
As someone from a Western fencing background, the kenjutsu guy in this video was the better swordsman. He did receive a few touches, but his form was rock solid the whole time and he didn't seem to concerned by anything the longsword guy threw at him. The sequence from 0:38 to 0:45 was particularly beautiful to watch.
@patrickfry1000
@patrickfry1000 Жыл бұрын
Yes! As a practitioner I agree! He is very very good! Much better than the longswords man. It was not an even fight on skill level.
@falconiday6130
@falconiday6130 Жыл бұрын
I agree. I would honestly love to see this kind of match between two people on a more even skill level. It was clear that the longsword fighter was super nervous and unsure of his tactics, while the katana fighter was absolutely focused and one with his weapon. Mad respect to both fighters for their performance, but it’s clear which one had more experience
@elonmusk5302
@elonmusk5302 6 жыл бұрын
1:48 Warden OP Orochi tries deflecting ... still dies
@michaelterrell5061
@michaelterrell5061 4 жыл бұрын
My exact life story
@sonyentertainmentnetwork4488
@sonyentertainmentnetwork4488 7 ай бұрын
For Honor
@BLIXBE.Offical
@BLIXBE.Offical 5 жыл бұрын
Me and my friends after the first time of playing For Honor
@stemaster
@stemaster 6 жыл бұрын
I find these types of fights fantastic. The two swird styles clash in a fight of experience instead of "which is better" the wielder of the weapon is what's important regardless of the style they use. In this vid you can see the contrast of both fighters and the styles they use. One speratic and constantly moving to keep variation, while the other is cool and collected trying to anticipate the next attack. The anticipated defense is a very high risk high reward style.
@SirConto
@SirConto 4 жыл бұрын
You know they're crazy skilled when neither of them needs to be taken to the hospital after this.
@NERV0USMONKEYS
@NERV0USMONKEYS 8 жыл бұрын
1:48... EASY!
@ウマナミの皇
@ウマナミの皇 5 жыл бұрын
hahaha
@thethaifighter.2981
@thethaifighter.2981 5 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha
@MrFiddleedee
@MrFiddleedee 5 жыл бұрын
then 3 seconds later 1:51
@danielb270
@danielb270 5 жыл бұрын
@@MrFiddleedee 1:51 is a draw
@sorodragonfall8832
@sorodragonfall8832 5 жыл бұрын
@Jon Jones this depends on the rules, all of the "hits" your referencing had as much force as a love tap, and wouldn't have hurt even an unarmored foe. If they were playing first to poke the other dude lightly and do nothing, sure he won. But I believe they are playing, first to land an actual strike that they have to slow down to not hurt their friend.
@rimandries
@rimandries 10 жыл бұрын
I applaud both gentlemen for this effort to try and exchange knowledge and experience. This is how we should treat eachother. With mutual respect and desire to learn. Well done. Ps samurai get your heads out of your ass: the katana is a sword. Not a magical item. Period.. And HEMA get of your high horse: the katana is a sword. Not an inferior slab of steel. Period. .See what i did there? Good luck to you all. Train hard and prosper.
@notsoprogaming9789
@notsoprogaming9789 9 жыл бұрын
Rim Andries you made me lol there
@notsoprogaming9789
@notsoprogaming9789 9 жыл бұрын
Rim Andries i wish you said katana cultist cause you would given me the chance to say im a hema cultist (see what i did there)
@rimandries
@rimandries 9 жыл бұрын
i see it and i like it
@scintillam_dei
@scintillam_dei 3 жыл бұрын
See my video "A conquistador refutes the Metatorn on Samurais VS Spaniards."
@BlackCatRedScarf
@BlackCatRedScarf 6 жыл бұрын
It's pretty fun to watch both sides analyzing how to apply their skills and weapons against something completely different from what they are used to face, because both sides probably train most of time with people that uses the same style. One mistake and the bokken can slash several times or one mistake and the langschwert can land a pretty heavy blow.
@williambankert7604
@williambankert7604 4 жыл бұрын
It's not about the weapon but the person wielding it
@natep2809
@natep2809 3 жыл бұрын
A very good statement.
@SwordWieldingDuck
@SwordWieldingDuck 3 жыл бұрын
@@natep2809 so let's fight, you take knife and i take halberd, who do you think will win most of the time?
@zulwawi
@zulwawi 3 жыл бұрын
@@SwordWieldingDuck skilled knife user wins on close combat
@sorrenzz3610
@sorrenzz3610 3 жыл бұрын
@@zulwawi Sorry man but that aint true
@zulwawi
@zulwawi 3 жыл бұрын
@@sorrenzz3610 yes it is true have u seen russian combat knife and asian kerambit play like on john wick 3
@inelllumba1727
@inelllumba1727 8 жыл бұрын
u coulda unscrewed the pommel and thrown it at him XDDD
@rubengerritsen6868
@rubengerritsen6868 8 жыл бұрын
would've ended him rightly...
@inelllumba1727
@inelllumba1727 8 жыл бұрын
+Ruben Gerritsen indeed. Skall has taught us well friend
@4rreste409
@4rreste409 8 жыл бұрын
yeah but they were just sparring so I don't think there's a need to kill your opponent and cause collateral damage
@inelllumba1727
@inelllumba1727 8 жыл бұрын
+Snoop Azlan collateral damage is always needed when someone challenges the mighty pommel
@gaboderflinger7854
@gaboderflinger7854 8 жыл бұрын
InstaWin! xD
@UR777B
@UR777B 8 жыл бұрын
0:40 - Counter Standing 2:04 - Counter Kill
@spacez3814
@spacez3814 4 жыл бұрын
U R A G A N beautiful.
@daric_
@daric_ 9 жыл бұрын
Practicing with no PPE whatsoever is a bad idea. Although wooden, those swords can still gouge eyes, cause concussions, etc.
@Maciliachris
@Maciliachris 9 жыл бұрын
Daric Soldar True, but practicing with protections only will not give you an idea of what it is to fear the blows. I'd say that both training should be done, of course only with trained practicioner.
@HueyShabazz
@HueyShabazz 9 жыл бұрын
Daric Soldar They could have put on eye protection or head gear. But they both looked like they knew how to control their strikes and not go full force or strike anywhere dangerous. Beginners wouldnt have the same control and would get seriously hurt
@dableutyef
@dableutyef 9 жыл бұрын
Daric Soldar live by the sword poked by the sword
@colinhill7921
@colinhill7921 9 жыл бұрын
+Railriderchris I never quite agreed with this mindset. The people I train with are my friends, so when they aren't wearing appropriate protection, I run the risk of injuring them, and therefore don't attack with full intent. And as you'd expect, my friends/sparring partners feel the same way, so neither of us are attacking at maximum force.
@Maciliachris
@Maciliachris 9 жыл бұрын
***** I can understand this. But whether you find this a good idea or not is probably depending on the goal you want to achieve when training with the sword. 1) if you want to do sport, scoring points, being in little danger of being injured, this allowing to strike with full force rather than controlling the weapon, then training without protections will indeed be of little interest to you. 2) But if you want to recreate something more real, like the real swordfight where people are aware that any movement might be the last which makes them being much more cautious, creating a tense situation where striking with full force is less important than doing controlled disabling of the opponent, then you might have a great deal of insight when doing restrained sparring without protections. Understand that I'm not criticising those who only want to score, or do full contact like in battle of the nations. It is surely a lot of fun, and there's nothing wrong with it. But when I see HEMA tournaments with a lot of suicidal attacks and double hits, it seems to me that there is a problem with being too protected. If you have good control over your blade, and if you know your sparring partner well, I encourage you to try it out. If you're not sure about your safety (which nevertheless remains first priority), then begin with fencing masks and maybe gloves as only protections, nylon or wooden swords, slow movements and more intention of doing techniques than sparring. Then, with time going on, you might remove your gloves and replace the fencing mask with safety glasses. However, I'm not a huge fan of steel swords in this context, because of the potentially abrasive steel edges after edge blows, and the fact that there is a tendency of doing a lot more cutting like Hendtrucken.
@danielgoodwin2461
@danielgoodwin2461 2 жыл бұрын
At the time of viewing this 14 years has passed since the creation of the content. The revival of historical European martial arts was in it infancy. Since then more people have made interpretation of the texts and put it to practice. The skill of swordsmanship pertaing to welding the long sword has grown exponentially.
@StudSupreme
@StudSupreme 10 жыл бұрын
This seems an unwise sparring session. They should have more protection. Wooden weapons are still potentially hazardous.
@controllingthemedia
@controllingthemedia 10 жыл бұрын
***** What the fuck even are you? Get off the internet.
@DakotaMilesO
@DakotaMilesO 10 жыл бұрын
Do you think the European knights and the Japanese samurai wore fucking protection?
@VictoriaStobbie
@VictoriaStobbie 10 жыл бұрын
Зиновий Варенников Training not really, Fighting Yes...because its someones life behind that sword...
@kylebollard97
@kylebollard97 10 жыл бұрын
Зиновий Варенников Actually yes.. yes they did
@DaleAllanBertram
@DaleAllanBertram 10 жыл бұрын
Зиновий Варенников Yes, all the time.
@paxas03
@paxas03 8 жыл бұрын
And then one guy take his gun and shot the opponent.
@TheAmGoth
@TheAmGoth 8 жыл бұрын
Goodwill does not sell guns.
@paxas03
@paxas03 8 жыл бұрын
Ahah I was kidding guys.
@neutralfellow9736
@neutralfellow9736 8 жыл бұрын
Look up 21 foot rule, in close range, you will be cut to pieces even if you manage to draw the gun in time.
@bdf2660
@bdf2660 8 жыл бұрын
you must be fun at parties
@Shrike12
@Shrike12 8 жыл бұрын
I think it was a reference to Indiana Jones
@Joellondt
@Joellondt 8 жыл бұрын
It's funny how the guy with the bokken pretends to not care about getting hit and shit like he knows wether it's gonna hit him or not and then.. he gets hit
@benis9965
@benis9965 8 жыл бұрын
+Joel Parkour i laugh so hard
@henryposadas
@henryposadas 8 жыл бұрын
No it's just part of training. Like learning not to flinch when someone jabs. Plus if you gauge your range right (called maai in Japanese martial arts) you learn to relax when not in distance. You see this in MMA with karate fighters like machida and Thomson. Just part of their training.
@kuanchienkuanchien197
@kuanchienkuanchien197 6 жыл бұрын
It's no jab it's a fucking sword he died a thousand deaths
@andusz5518
@andusz5518 6 жыл бұрын
@DarkEternal6 half swording only works against armor, and a sword or weapon as big or bigger than a standard longsword, since you can't do grabs like that against a katana. it would be like trying to bear hug someone who has a knife. yes you could, but you'd get stabby stabbed about a thousand times in the mean time
@dynamicworlds1
@dynamicworlds1 6 жыл бұрын
Randy Oh correct, what he should have done is stay at distance and use his greater reach and hand protection to keep the fight as much about trying to hit his opponent's hands as possible....of course, lack of protective gear makes that kind of sparring problematic
@briansalk3233
@briansalk3233 6 жыл бұрын
You score one point for arm or leg, two points for chest, three points for head, and 100 points for rapping the guy in the knuckles, plus an extra 5 points if he yelps.
@chrisp4188
@chrisp4188 10 жыл бұрын
Two wooden sticks wielded by guys from different disciplines get together to fight. Who wins? ... The guy who trained harder.
@jaygon6346
@jaygon6346 8 жыл бұрын
0:30 dark souls 3 duels.
@roybatty-
@roybatty- 9 жыл бұрын
Guy with the katana got cut in like 10 different places.
@aldipeanutz
@aldipeanutz 8 жыл бұрын
*bokken
@kaizoebara
@kaizoebara 8 жыл бұрын
+aldipeanutz *bokutô (never heard any Japanese person use the term bokken)
@tofuwu8680
@tofuwu8680 8 жыл бұрын
+kaizoebara well sometimes its called a bokken and sometimes its called a bokuto. They both means the same thing
@kaizoebara
@kaizoebara 8 жыл бұрын
You don't get it? I just pointed out that this guy failed at making a smart-ass remark, when he himself didn't have a much of a clue. I know that they both mean the same thing, but the term "bokken" is hardly ever used by Japanese native speakers.
@tofuwu8680
@tofuwu8680 8 жыл бұрын
kaizoebara im just stating a fact, I dont want to get in any trouble.
@sugarhighmegaming5008
@sugarhighmegaming5008 6 жыл бұрын
“Just another day with the bros...”
@zaxarion
@zaxarion 11 жыл бұрын
Timbo X, if you think there is such thing as a superior art, you are mistaken. There are people with more skill, people with more dedication, smarter people, but before the fight, equally trained warriors, such as a Samurai or a Medieval Knight, either of them could win... the one who trained longer, the faster one, the stronger one, the smarter one, the luckier one... it is all up to the single person incarnating the warrior on that precise moment... But specially understand, that nothing that you or me can say will change anything. Just train on whatever you practice and find happines, stop trying to win. God bless you and all Martial Arts Practitioners.
@rattslayer
@rattslayer 11 жыл бұрын
in actual combat to the death, the medieval knight would probably have it due simply to the superiority of the fitted plate, vs the samurais lamellar armor. if both were unarmored, it would probably be a coin flip.
@endlessace
@endlessace 11 жыл бұрын
Those armors are heavy as @#$%. Endurance is gonna be an issue.
@rattslayer
@rattslayer 11 жыл бұрын
Minh Phan proper, well fit plate is both lighter and restrictes moment less than a modern soldiers gear. Well fit plate weighs around 40Lb. Compare that to the Ō-yoroi (pinnacle of samuri armor) that weight 65+ Lb
@Omnicronimous
@Omnicronimous 11 жыл бұрын
rattslayer Not to mention that by the 14th Century at the height of European plate armor the Spanish, Germans, and Italians were making plate armor that could withstand the strongest crossbows of the day, and were reasonably bullet proof into the 16th century. Thus necessitating the shift in sword making among the nobility to ever stronger and narrower straight blades (for stabbing between armor plates).
@nonfictiondictionary
@nonfictiondictionary 10 жыл бұрын
Cool video, but the hypothetical "Euro-Knight vs Samurai" flamewar comments kinda makes it... unfun to stick around... Don't give a shit about which sword is better, Warhammers FTW.
@FutureUSMC12
@FutureUSMC12 10 жыл бұрын
Battle axe and shield for me! Though I would be willing to use a warhammer instead. ^^^And yes indeed, a lot of people just want to prove their own superiority that THEIR weapon/martial art is the best unmatched by anything.
@IvanCaprioli
@IvanCaprioli 10 жыл бұрын
it's not easy to compare this two beautiful techniques, the real difference was given by fighters. Anyway, in european battlefield was not usual to see sword armed fighters. The longsword was considered a noble weapon and it's mainly used in dueling or skirmish. In normal battles was more common to see maces, morning stars, pikes, two-handed hammers, axes, poleaxes and shields.
@dylanr.cerezo4325
@dylanr.cerezo4325 9 жыл бұрын
Im just sitting here stroking my guns and knives and improvised weapons.
@Puglord99
@Puglord99 9 жыл бұрын
-Ðёмøи Ḻøяḓ Ðylaи - edgy
@calcena15
@calcena15 9 жыл бұрын
Ivan Caprioli To much heavy weapons to fight the agility of a samurai i think
@freyylmao
@freyylmao 9 жыл бұрын
Two different weapons for two different kinds of warfare. An interesting crossover, but to say one style of swordsmanship is superior over an another is simply crass.
@Z95HeadHunter
@Z95HeadHunter 6 жыл бұрын
This was a more interesting fight to watch than most of what is excreted onto the screen by Hollywood.
@arthurw13
@arthurw13 9 жыл бұрын
They should wear some protective gear and go full out
@Maciliachris
@Maciliachris 9 жыл бұрын
arthurw13 Protective gear makes people being careless and suicidal, hardly authentic. Sometimes, a more restrained sparring without protections can teach you a lot of things.
@Maciliachris
@Maciliachris 9 жыл бұрын
Sylorinnis I respect your opinion, but I'd like to disagree. However, I think we might both be correct, as it depends of what do you want to achieve. In a purely sportive context like modern sport fencing, Kendo or (more and more) HEMA tournaments, yes, you're quite correct. However, when trying to represent a real fight, there are several big problems with the modern protective equipment: 1) mobility: it is impressive how little you can move with the full sparring gear, my medieval armour offers a lot more freedom of movement! Honestly, have you ever managed to place a succesful Zwerchhau when with fencing mask, heavy sparring gloves and HEMA gambeson? Or even only to go into the guard Ochs or Posta di Donna? Is it easy for you to use the thumb grip? 2) As I already said, protections make people fight only to score a point instead of also protecting their lives. This is a main reason why many historical techniques don't work in tournaments because they weren't meant to be used against suicidal persons. Many HEMA fighters who act like crazy Battle of the Nations participants would be completely shocked and passive it they had to fight against a person with a sharp sword. 3) You can do light unprotected sparring without the people ''co-operating''. It depends of course on the amount of skill and training involved, but Daniel Jaquet of GAGschola has made an impressive demonstration with sparring partners only equiped with protective gloves. It looked much better than the silly bashing often involved in tournaments with protections, especially as the mobility without gear allows much more techniques. Conclusion: in a sportive context, to learn how to strike with full force, protective gear is absolutely necessary. And I would say that anyone has to do at least some amount of protected full force sparring. However, to understand our ancestors who did train without protections too, I strongly believe that it is of great use to also do light sparring without protective gear.
@Maciliachris
@Maciliachris 9 жыл бұрын
Sylorinnis I'm happy that we found an honorable agreement, dear Sir. :-) All the best to you and your training!
@itwuzavalibles256
@itwuzavalibles256 8 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who thought of darksouls 3 @ 0:31
@_ODDEEO_
@_ODDEEO_ 8 жыл бұрын
>Stance!!
@ShadowMudkip123
@ShadowMudkip123 8 жыл бұрын
This was literally me starting with knight class and fighting the sword master on my first play through
@andikadewasatrio4743
@andikadewasatrio4743 8 жыл бұрын
lol you're not alone. me too xD
@mudwolff
@mudwolff 8 жыл бұрын
awwww shieettt soo tru hahaha
@roganchapman5700
@roganchapman5700 8 жыл бұрын
And then again at 0:43 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1
@majorsytreetlynxtheheroofa8822
@majorsytreetlynxtheheroofa8822 9 жыл бұрын
For Honor leaked gameplay footage.
@IanDresarie
@IanDresarie 7 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best showcases I've seen so far. Just look at their vastly different footwork! Great video!
@hefeibao
@hefeibao 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same.
@russelldavis8415
@russelldavis8415 10 жыл бұрын
primary targets in a duel are arms/hands, legs/feeet, trying to hit the head or trunk without first injuring/weakening/disarming your opponent, will get you KILLED.
@gurkfisk89
@gurkfisk89 10 жыл бұрын
I have to disagree with you about the legs and absolutley about feets. Feets are really difficult to hit because they are so low and your shoulder are so high. With a longword you have to get about half a meter closer to be able to hit a foot than if you where aming for the torso.
@TheBoxingCannabyte
@TheBoxingCannabyte 10 жыл бұрын
nuh-uh
@russelldavis8415
@russelldavis8415 10 жыл бұрын
the legs are really easy to hit the feet is an interesting topic, this came about when we were looking at possibilities when dueling with sword and dagger, while it may be possible, I think it highly unlikely anyone would go down that road. nuh uh dont really contribute to the conversation.
@TheGabesnell
@TheGabesnell 10 жыл бұрын
gurkfisk89 upper legs and armpits were the main targets for longswords and broadswords... look it up...
@gurkfisk89
@gurkfisk89 10 жыл бұрын
TheGabesnell Upper legs are a target, but I wouldn't call it a main one. And the upper legs are more of a target than the lower legs, but I still wouldn't call it the main target. Codex Döbringer (MS 3227a) does for example state that you should attack "to the head or to the body" many times so I think that at least the head would be considered a main target. And nearly every strike I've seen is aimed towards the head or torso. For the armpits. That is absolutley true if we are talking about armored fighting (if we are, then I'm sorry for the misunderstanding). But in unarmored fighting I'm not that sure. What kind of attack would you use with a longsword to attack the armpit in an unarmored fight? I can see that you may hit the armpit when striking, say, a zwerchau from a high bind. But even then I would say that the strike is aimed towards the upper body in general rather than the armpit specifically. What sources are you refering to when you say that the upper legs and armpits are the main targets?
@LTakes.4
@LTakes.4 4 жыл бұрын
Let’s be honest when we have a sword in our hand where gonna swing it like Kirito.
@Arcana437
@Arcana437 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I did that once in a spar I got the hit but I have been attacked three or two times already lol
@thepriestpucci4988
@thepriestpucci4988 3 жыл бұрын
I tried serious tecniques once against my brother, he responded with wild swinging and stabbing to which i didnt really know how to respond.
@Esbro
@Esbro 6 жыл бұрын
0:40 damn good reaction
@spacez3814
@spacez3814 4 жыл бұрын
Esbro parry
@tiexiaowang7939
@tiexiaowang7939 8 ай бұрын
Longsword guy's footwork is all over the place. Seems like the bokken wielder had quite the experience advantage
@legorasgoleshi4890
@legorasgoleshi4890 10 жыл бұрын
"The long sword is better" "No the katana is better". You know what's better in a fight? A more capable warrior. So to wrap it up for you kids. Both swords have their advantages and disadvantages. Surprise. None of both is perfect. Blown your mind, didn't I? So stop polishing your swords to your favorite swords (if you're catching my drift) and appreciate the battle itself. Swords don't win wars, warriors do.
@Snythes
@Snythes 10 жыл бұрын
Why are they saying "Longsword vs Bokken" that's like a boxing match saying "---- gloves vs ---- gloves" it comes down to skill of the fighter in sword duels not the type swords they use.
@mariosmatzoros3553
@mariosmatzoros3553 6 жыл бұрын
Snythes no not at all.
@mariosmatzoros3553
@mariosmatzoros3553 6 жыл бұрын
Snythes there are some swords that are simply better than others.For instance,in a 1vs1 duel a rapiers is considered to be the best weapon.
@jouburt9545
@jouburt9545 5 жыл бұрын
marios matzoros this isn’t a video game, the difference between the weapons is not which is better, it’s their style. Put two skilled swordsman in a duel, one with a rapier, the other a long sword, they both have the same chance of winning. The same goes for a long sword vs zweihander, it’s the skill and style that separates the weapons
@imperialtrooper927
@imperialtrooper927 4 жыл бұрын
This was an awesome spar, great skill on both sides and I like the shoulder bump the two made after they finished, the respect these two have makes this spar very wholesome
@eutytoalba
@eutytoalba 5 жыл бұрын
It's called martial ARTS because, while there may be objective factors to consider, there is always a great measure of unique circumstances and practitioners' creativity in chosing how to adapt. Definitive declarations of who would win every time, or even a calcuable major percentage of the time, are not actually possible. Looking for THAT rigid of an assessment makes it sound like you've never personally held a weapon in your life----only watched them on screens while trying to coose a favorite team to side with. In any actual battle, you of course would have to make the best of WHATEVER is at your disposal.
@dragutinvukelic8891
@dragutinvukelic8891 7 жыл бұрын
Nice sparring...with no safety gear. They both have good technique and are very cautious. It shows they have mutual respect for each other. You learn a lot from a sparring like this. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Respect!
@rogerforsberg3910
@rogerforsberg3910 Жыл бұрын
As someone who's spent most of his teenage & adult life practicing various martial arts to see these two guys fencing without the protection of masks &/or gloves was quite astonishing. Very impressive, gents!
@boloisdaman
@boloisdaman 6 жыл бұрын
Huge difference in footwork there. Aikido guy is super smooth.
@williamkiley2328
@williamkiley2328 6 жыл бұрын
Those guys are pretty evenly matched. I love seeing different art forms pinned against eachother.
@AureusPercussor
@AureusPercussor 10 жыл бұрын
Why must every argument over Katana vs Longsword must end in one dedicated style. Whomever was more experienced with that blade would be the victor. Both combatants in this video show that both are pretty equally skilled. Also, both combatants seemed to have landed similar hits. While Knights were more armored, it's not like other Japanese warriors were any less armored. The average foot soldier was lightly armored. Both swords are excellence but also can be over hyped. Both have jobs they are good at and their own fighting styles.
@syphonfilter8372
@syphonfilter8372 10 жыл бұрын
Because there is a lot of pride and belief in this dick-waving contest. There has to be a winner. In this day and age, people will settle for nothing less.
@realenew
@realenew 9 жыл бұрын
but I actually heard that good-quality iron was rare in Japan, but common in Europe, that means more armour for the European and their half-swording style.
@AureusPercussor
@AureusPercussor 9 жыл бұрын
realenew While that comment is not wrong, iron was scarce in Japan, the sword makers figured out a way to forge two types of steel into one blade, allowing for the sharpness of each sword. Both swords are fantastic in my opinion, and have their advantages and disadvantages
@GRABA85
@GRABA85 11 жыл бұрын
Kendo mask? Sabre fancing mask? Anyone? Protective vest? It is pointless if you dont want to hit somebody.
@Inthedarkzone01
@Inthedarkzone01 10 жыл бұрын
The problem is not how quick you are its that those are 2 different sword style the longsword has the advantage to keep you at distance and big moves with long range attacks, the katana is made for close contact and quick strikes the two are great sword that made there reputation through history and that you can not argue with i own 3 katanas and have much respect for longswords will be my next purchase
@jmanuelu.8433
@jmanuelu.8433 10 жыл бұрын
I agree. Concuerdo. Si el caballero medieval europeo lograse imponer su ventaja, destrozaría a su oponente, pero el bokken es más ágil y tiene más posiciones, por lo que puede encontrarle las costuras al poderoso traje de la espada larga.
@TesticularHomicide
@TesticularHomicide 10 жыл бұрын
Katana made for close range? Are you batty, sir? This guy in the vid is okay, but he's not a good example. Kenjutsu (done properly) is all about shifting your weight to your leading knee, and bounding off your back foot... that is to say, a jumping attack that expands your range. I have used the technique I myself to beat someone wielding a flipping greatsword (3.5 foot blade). So no. Only people with shitty technique stay in their little circle and go for close range.
@Inthedarkzone01
@Inthedarkzone01 10 жыл бұрын
Alexander Hill No what i was pointing out is the katana is shorter compared to the longsword and this is practice not a full out fight... if you have masterd it ok good for you but not everyone is at that point and yes i'm not but its always interesting to have at least a visual observation of a longsword technique compared to a katana and having them fighting? Why not? So the discution "longsword or katana" continues...
@clearlypellucid
@clearlypellucid 10 жыл бұрын
Alexander Hill The katana is just a European saber without a hand-guard. It's about the same length and used in a similar style with lunges and cuts. It's most certainly a "shorter range" weapon than a longsword.
@TesticularHomicide
@TesticularHomicide 10 жыл бұрын
Conundrum it is not a saber. It is balanced totally differently and behaves differently. Let's just agree to disagree, sir.
@bobhaynes8169
@bobhaynes8169 4 жыл бұрын
Watching the guy with the longsword is almost painful- though I can understand it's hard not to have a static stance. In the art of the longsword wards are meant to be windups and not static positions, your sword is meant to be in constant motion and not in a consistent position that can be read.
@JeetKuneDoBelgrade
@JeetKuneDoBelgrade 9 жыл бұрын
Lovely exchange. Respect shown. Good video.
@justsoicanfingcomment5814
@justsoicanfingcomment5814 8 жыл бұрын
Improper title This is a Man vs Man not weapon type vs weapon type.
@dereknoll1499
@dereknoll1499 8 жыл бұрын
+Just so I can Fing coment How much of a stickler do ya have to be?
@justsoicanfingcomment5814
@justsoicanfingcomment5814 8 жыл бұрын
Just tired of the (This weapon vs that weapon = oh this weapon is better, because it was wielded by someone more skilled with it's counter part than the one it is being pitted against.)
@justsoicanfingcomment5814
@justsoicanfingcomment5814 8 жыл бұрын
...You are ABSOLUTELY right! XD
@apollohateshisdayjob9606
@apollohateshisdayjob9606 8 жыл бұрын
While it's true that it's man vs man instead of weapon vs weapon, that's also because it's impossible to have a strictly weapon compairison. I think this video did demonstrate some of the distinct advantages and disadvantages of the different swords and style though. There are different advantages in different contexts to each weapon, and both the katana and longsword were engineered to fight the enemies and equipment of their time and region. For example, the longsword has a slightly better reach and a more effective thrust, as well as being more nimble in the point. The katana has a heavier cutting edge, and can cut effectively down almost the entire length of the blade, while the long sword is only really effective at cutting from about 1/2 to 3/4 down the blade due to the tapered tip. There are features of each blade that make them more effective than the other in different area, as well as having training to maximize their features. Personally I don't consider either a better weapon than the other, only better in certain situations. I do think the long sword is a bit more versatile than the katana, and able to maintain effectiveness in more situations, but I think the katana is a bit more deadly when in the right context due to its better capacity for cutting. The one thing I absolutely think the long sword is better at though is hand protection. I do not think the katanas disc guard provides any real advantage over a cross guard.
@paytonthefrontieresmannewb7835
@paytonthefrontieresmannewb7835 8 жыл бұрын
+apollo grach very very good outlook on the two very different swords from two very different regions and cultures with completely different fighting styles
@elhilo1972
@elhilo1972 5 жыл бұрын
1:02 *Dramatic anime pause* *huff, huff, huff...*
@silverswordguy4191
@silverswordguy4191 3 жыл бұрын
Even with all the new HEMA stuff that's come out over the past several years, this is still one of my favorite videos to come back to and watch.
@BengNinja
@BengNinja 8 жыл бұрын
If you ever tried something like this you know how hard it actually is to fight sword vs sword. One fuck up and you are dead. But i think they both look like they arent just show offs, you can see they have skills. Good Job!
@emeraldjoker7357
@emeraldjoker7357 8 жыл бұрын
I know that people train with blunt swords well not sure about blunt katanas but they could do it with real swords if they are skilled enough
@TheIceandphoenix
@TheIceandphoenix 8 жыл бұрын
They used wooden swords at tournaments and people still got killed. Ninjas used wooden swords because steel wasnt afordable for them, they still killed silently. u dont need real swords to practice. besides getting yourself MORE hurt and staying out of practice isnt smart. also if you have experience you know how to keep your distance and wait for the perfect timing and dont charge in like crazy, because both guys end up dead. sword fighting is a lot like anderson silvas counter striking style, thats whats gonna keep you alive in a real combat situation.
@Algahiem
@Algahiem 6 жыл бұрын
Welcome back to the stage of history!
@pugilist102
@pugilist102 10 жыл бұрын
That last parry/blow was awesome.
@thuddpucker11
@thuddpucker11 4 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't be a more even a match if it was a contest between the long sword and a Nodachi sword ?
@libertyprime2985
@libertyprime2985 10 жыл бұрын
The long sword guy simply does not abuse of his range and the katana guy is not offensive at all.
@daug3607
@daug3607 7 жыл бұрын
reactive playstyle is far better than offensive
@martk647
@martk647 4 жыл бұрын
0:31..when he press L2.
@notapro6375
@notapro6375 3 жыл бұрын
Lol I can fucking see it happening
@the_metamancer
@the_metamancer 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha!
@Chrominance87
@Chrominance87 10 жыл бұрын
Now put masks and gambesons on each of them. You will have an entirely different duel.
@obersaber
@obersaber 6 жыл бұрын
But no gloves, just so they realize how hard it is to wipe with broken fingers.
@spidery7618
@spidery7618 5 жыл бұрын
I love how you can SEE how much energy is pent up in the guy with a bokken, just look at how he excitedly hops around after landing a hit
@michaelsmathers1610
@michaelsmathers1610 5 жыл бұрын
Good stuff, always like to see cross training. Two things: 1) Masks. Gloves. For your own safety, wear them. 2) Longsword, y u no vom Tag?
@CoffeeSnep
@CoffeeSnep 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he seems less experienced than his partner. It could also be the style he trains. I can tell it is most likely german. If not its fiore. Mine in particular is Bolognese, and many of our guards are much different than the germans or earlier italians. Our swords are also longer so it makes sense
@HmongKnight4ever
@HmongKnight4ever 10 жыл бұрын
I just want to say that try not to worry too much about the sword, but the skills of the man you're fighting. One little mistake and it's the end of the fight. Never underestimate your opponent.
@6Astro05
@6Astro05 10 жыл бұрын
Dark angel is right in reality it is one individual again the other. But, as this was playtime it's all good.
@obersaber
@obersaber 6 жыл бұрын
Good reason to wear masks. They both thought they were at the level where they could show beginners that masks are not cool.
@brianthao102
@brianthao102 11 жыл бұрын
Steir12 True, but this is just a practice. If these men used all those classic combative skills with the actual weighted blades, someone could get hurt. This was just a video of two friends having a fun sparring. Not two competitors who are looking to win. Sure this illustrates nothing, but it still was fun to watch.
@Droulen
@Droulen 11 жыл бұрын
This is not about full power combat. Im talking about tech. skill/feet work/there is absolutely not progress - its just hey Yo come and hit my stick! Yep that one who is holdin european blade it holds like a boss but technicaly its wrong. Still nice to watch for amateur eye but painfull for the rest.
@brianthao102
@brianthao102 11 жыл бұрын
I not expecting a person to use deadly precision on a sparring. Sparring is all about display and practice. If they do not meet the right potential skill, then they can practice on that skill with study and more sparring with a partner. Even if the partner isn't using the same sword style. It's only for sport, not really for combative use because people these days use guns now...
@Droulen
@Droulen 11 жыл бұрын
How important is practising for somebody who cant even hold sword properly? U wanna run and cant walk yet. Im now talking about man who holds european swrd. Cant judge that second one. Im not so experienced with katana. To the second part with guns - mm...agreed, but still sword is the most honourable weapon ever, atleast for me.
@brianthao102
@brianthao102 11 жыл бұрын
It's good that you still honor the blade.
@kostas225cmp
@kostas225cmp 11 жыл бұрын
There are some videos around that feature full-protection sparring with blunted steel pieces. Those are very interesting to watch, particularly when they cross over different kinds of swords.
@JRiot115
@JRiot115 6 жыл бұрын
Few things to mention from the pov of someone who actually practices HEMA swordplay. (ps. I may be a little biased because of this, but hey aren't we all? Besides, at least I have the integrity to admit so.) Here are some highlights: 0:40 Superb parry from the kendoka. It even throws the longswordsman's balance off a little. 0:50 that was a feint not a failed thrust. The longswordsman does it a number of times again (0:25) it's a common move in HEMA, idk if Kendo/Kenjutsu makes use of misdirectional techniques. Otherwise, the Kendoka stood his ground like a boss. 1:00-1:03 Though it doesn't look like it, watch closely and you'll see that the kendoka took a hit to the face, meanwhile katana thrust got the longswordsman in the gut. (before I go on, keep in mind this is a friendly unarmored match. Had it been different circumstances (full protection, full contact sparring, bamboo/metal fencing/sparring swords), the Kendoka would've gotten quite a daze from a steel federschwert to the face, even with a fencing helmet on.) 1:15-1:20 Once again this was a feint. We can see seconds later, the Kendoka goes into a frenzy almost as though he doesn't know what he's gonna do next and is panicking, but that's just how I see it. 1:26 The Kendoka parries through the longswordsman's guard stance and lands a hit on the head, but look closely and you'll see the longswordsman recovers, which earns him a cut on the Kendoka's thigh/hip. 1:40 The longswordsman sidesteps and barely misses a strike, lands a devastating cut to the Kendoka's midsection. Beautifully done. 1:49 I have no words. That was just hilarious. 1:53 The Kendoka landed a cut to the longswordsman's neck, but look closely at the longswordsman's sword positioning before that occurrs. The Longswordsman landed a thrust to the kendoka's face, but pulled back cause he knew it would've hurt him since they weren't wearing any fencing gear and instead opted for a cut to the body. 2:07 This may seem like the Kendoka's point, but, once again look very carefully. The longswordsman blocks the kendoka's strike with his left hand. They both hear the ring and the match ends, the kendoka didn't get this one. If you practice a swordplay martial art, and disagree any of these, please feel absolutely free to dispute me on why. I'm still learning and would absolutely love to discuss swordplay with other swordsmen/women from a differing pov :D
@eadweard2214
@eadweard2214 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your explanation friend. Thank you. Helps me understand this a little bit better now
@badfoody
@badfoody 5 жыл бұрын
For Honor Devs after watching this video: We're makin a game about this
@Suyamu
@Suyamu 9 жыл бұрын
Does the Bokken guy actually practice for real with it? His footwork for the most parts looked nothing like what is taught in Japanese swordfighting.
@willydoesfighting
@willydoesfighting 9 жыл бұрын
Suyamu I agree, I do Kendo and he doesnt seem to practice mcuh, his sword is always pointing to the ground as well:P
@Suyamu
@Suyamu 9 жыл бұрын
***** Personally I'd say the contrary - when he tried wakigamae stance to hide the sword, all it did was leave him unnecessarily open. It might give you some element of surprise when you first meet an enemy and he doesn't know your sword length, but after engaging with him already and using a run of the mill bokuto that's just not going to be the case.
@Suyamu
@Suyamu 9 жыл бұрын
William Bryant The pointing to the ground is Gedan, a basic stance. Not sure about the angle of his hands on the grip and whipping around of the sword - maybe his school does it that way - I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there, but what looked weird to me was lack of suri ashi and the often twisted heels and hips when cutting which are very basic things. I thought those are pretty universal, even across different ryuha, thus I wondered if he was learning it in some school that way, or if he's self learned.
@josephward2484
@josephward2484 9 жыл бұрын
Suyamu i dont really know anything of actual sword fighting but the way he used the sword when he swung and how he kept a simple stance standing upward it felt like he was staying on the defensive and waiting for the long-swordsman to make his move. he seemed to be waiting for parrying chances rather then outright attack head on. he was keeping up his defenses based on the fact he never really changed his stance from being straight he basically made himself a wall and because his back was straight aloud him to keep his form when he did need to parry the attacks as well as keep blocking strength. plus the guy had to have practiced long and hard he was parrying things normal people wouldnt even think to see and lightning fast too. but the stance he kept. it was very formal not used to seeing that as a man swings a blade in most styles. the stance is normally a little more outspoken... so because of this i would say he would likely have to be somewhat self taught. i mean heck he forced the other guy out of his stance several times he was clearly in a league of his own. but then again i could see the reason why the man stuck with this wall like stance the whole match. the long sword has much better reach then his blade. but in that case parrying and getting within the longsword-mans range would be his best bet considering its hard to attack or defend when so close. basically. i seem to think that regardless of how experienced the two fighters were the long-swordsman was at a disadvantage against that particular fighting style. thats just my opinion and personal observation. i dont really know anything about sword fighting styles and sword fighting arts,
@ocean9087
@ocean9087 9 жыл бұрын
William Bryant If you did kendo, then you would understand that he can point his sword to the ground because the distance between the two were far enough that he does not have to have his bokken ready
@tyler6104
@tyler6104 8 жыл бұрын
You know I ponder how many martial artist are actually Watching this video. This is a good sign of control of the space between the two, and they both a have a good balance of Techinque. None from what i can see seem to be in the expert level, but that is fine. I'm honestly not there either. I''ve been at it for five years. The idea of there techinque with out making content is nice to see. Because it does take great control and precission with each cut and strike. I give them props for the style and fineesse. Its not that easy to do what they did with good control, and specially since they move very in sync it leads me to believe they have crossed paths more then once in terms of sparring.
@MrVlonk
@MrVlonk 8 жыл бұрын
1.Dan Kendoka here with Naginata experience. The Kendoka (Bokken) fighter is top notch level. Very high skill with lots of tricks in his bag. You can grasp his expertise from his calm outer demeanor (while always being ready to strike/counter). His precision counters and almost disarm (of a two handed weapon no less) at 0:40 speak for themselves. But the longsword fighter is no slouch either! I assume he is not used to fight without armor though because many of his strikes are clearly aimed at "taking less" damage then his enemy (while in Kendo "one strike kills" and therefore every hit must be prevented. It is clear that both fighters are coming from their distinct field (where they are very competent and know how to handle enemies with similar weapons) but both are struggling with the reach of their enemy. You can see that clearly at 1:49 when the Kendoka did not expect to be in reach of a piercing hit while defending himself with outstretched arms (I pierce you, you pierce me). Most hits from the Kendoka are counters or have to push the longsword out of the way first.
@brycesanders8546
@brycesanders8546 8 жыл бұрын
+MrVlonk he's not a kendoka mate, using waki gamae and gedan no kamae in a sparring situation? I'm 2dan and I have never seen a kendoka of any level do that. Probably aikido, though I can't be sure.
@MrVlonk
@MrVlonk 8 жыл бұрын
Derpy Dashie Learned all of that doing Kendo to. We have a very elaborate Kata system that is connected to Kendo (here in Germany). All those gamae are part of it and techniques seem similar. His behaviour is exactly as a kendoka would conduct himself in a sparring match, the gamae are unusual that is true. Considering he has the range disadvantage I can understand why he does not want to connect to the enemy sword. Waki is kinda pointless in this situation though... He could be a Iaidoka but only hint for that would be the white keigoki which is unusual in Kendo.
@oradrags
@oradrags 6 жыл бұрын
Ok I just got this video on my recommendation after this was uploaded 11 years ago.
@olly2515
@olly2515 4 жыл бұрын
Basketball is getting wild
@barthalamuthetater174
@barthalamuthetater174 4 жыл бұрын
Ya lebron has gone down hill ever sense the long sword incident
@26febry
@26febry 4 жыл бұрын
This would be more awesome if they wear protective gear..
@matthewesquire4518
@matthewesquire4518 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. This s a bit older, and HEMA has evolved but...no gear is a no-no, regardless of the level of expertise.
@J-IFWBR
@J-IFWBR 4 жыл бұрын
no i don't think so tbh =) but everybody has his own taste
@jigo53
@jigo53 9 жыл бұрын
shouldnt that be longwood? :D
@benis9965
@benis9965 8 жыл бұрын
+dies irae nice try to make a joke, i laughed, but nice try
@owlblocksdavid4955
@owlblocksdavid4955 8 жыл бұрын
+dies irae The term "waster" would be fitting.
@hsgfdhsfghdfgsy
@hsgfdhsfghdfgsy 5 жыл бұрын
Fucc
@KageStelhman
@KageStelhman 6 жыл бұрын
Those two were really evenly matched... that was really impressive to watch, thanks ^.^
@GrimReaperOoF
@GrimReaperOoF 10 жыл бұрын
I have trained medieval sword fighting and used real smithed swords (not sharpened,stub). Its the best way to learn control your weapon and yourself.
@giemelregis00
@giemelregis00 10 жыл бұрын
and, where did you bought it, I have problem finding one.
@Kimerou
@Kimerou 10 жыл бұрын
Tokume Tensai You can find online. Be sure to buy swords that are 'battle ready' which are used for full contact medieval sword fighting. Also make sure the sword is blunt not sharpened. An example of a website is wulflund dot com they have many equipment regarding medieval times.
@giemelregis00
@giemelregis00 10 жыл бұрын
Daniel Muscat thanks.
@giemelregis00
@giemelregis00 10 жыл бұрын
Daniel Muscat don't worry, you can send links to youtube now. www.wulflund.com
@ElDrHouse2010
@ElDrHouse2010 10 жыл бұрын
Tokume Tensai From the HEMA website google it. The RedDragon ones are pretty good.
@iseeicyicetea
@iseeicyicetea 9 жыл бұрын
finde die wahl der waffen eher unglücklich. mit so einem holzschwert muss man sich doch sehr zurückhalten, damit man nicht aus versehen mal nen finger bricht (oder den kehlkopf... o.O).
@RydaliaAstora
@RydaliaAstora 8 жыл бұрын
This is like watching dark souls. Dexterity build vs Strength build.
@Yprion
@Yprion 8 жыл бұрын
+Ridalia like watching GOOD dark souls. No spaming brats and no backstab fishers
@robrockstar9648
@robrockstar9648 8 жыл бұрын
+Ridalia which fighter is which build?
@NoahWeisbrod
@NoahWeisbrod 8 жыл бұрын
Nah. Only Dark Souls dex weapons have realistic movement. Strength weapons are crazy shit like hammers the size of cars.
@Yprion
@Yprion 8 жыл бұрын
Noah Weisbrod 'dex weapons' aren't more realistic. You probably meant swords (katanas, straight swords and scimatars), spears and halberts. Scythes are dex weapons and... Well... They are as usefull as a human-sized hammer in a battle.
@NoahWeisbrod
@NoahWeisbrod 8 жыл бұрын
The Great Scythe is an exception, but the uchi, balder sword, falchion, scimitar, painting sword, Ricard's etc. all move semi-reasonably.
@eliasbischoff176
@eliasbischoff176 7 жыл бұрын
These guys are amazing. Never losing their control for a second, never endangering each other, even though they don't wear any protection
@nuttawutnumpet3393
@nuttawutnumpet3393 11 жыл бұрын
that William Wallace being chasing after by Nobunaga,
@gevlince
@gevlince 11 жыл бұрын
Nobunaga wasn't more a firegun like warrior?
@nuttawutnumpet3393
@nuttawutnumpet3393 11 жыл бұрын
haha, he uses the trained peasant to do that dirty works for him, the ashigaru are easier to train than the arrogant samurai, he adapted a modern warfare to dealing with the hostile who fierce with the calvary army, and indeed effectively, he made his ways so far, his campaign leading to a unification of japan continuing by his successor daimyos Toyotomi and Tokugawa after him.
@bobcromo3279
@bobcromo3279 8 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the objective of a sword fight is to hit the other person not their weapon. Why no armour?
@aytcheff
@aytcheff 8 жыл бұрын
+bob cromo Actually, Many of the German Masters taught(I don't really know much about the italian masters because I've only studied Fiore a little) to cut against the cut, then (Indes)or in the moment, lever around their blade once parried, and get a cut in. This is seen most notably in the German Krumphau(Crooked Hew) where you cut sort of diagonally against the cut, then once you've pushed their blade off-line, you can then riposte.
@bobcromo3279
@bobcromo3279 8 жыл бұрын
Harrison Fink I'm trying to type a response, but my turtle is climbing my feet and I can't focus.
@johnsierra3537
@johnsierra3537 8 жыл бұрын
Most any move for a body that they make will leave them vulnerable. If they hit the other guy, he won't just drop and die, they'll swing at them. In a real life scenario, swordsmen will be very cautious in deciding when to strike; the goal isn't just to kill your opponent, you want to make it through the fight without any serious wounds.
@bobcromo3279
@bobcromo3279 8 жыл бұрын
John Sierra I don't think they are wearing enough armour for sparring. Since the weapon is meant to hit the body, there could be injuries. I was not criticizing their technique, or any ones technique really. Just they should wear more armour so they don't break anything.
@riggermortisfpv526
@riggermortisfpv526 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting video, and fun to watch. It is sad to think of all that has been lost in Japanese sword arts during the Meiji period. What has been left are essentially sports with very strict rules, which when pitted against another martial art such as HEMA it can't quite stack up, although it is elegant looking.
@Bladestar7
@Bladestar7 6 жыл бұрын
Its not about style or weapon. Its more about the individual skill and how they apply it. The angles of attack are very similar between each weapon and martial artist.
@ThiagueraPlay
@ThiagueraPlay 8 жыл бұрын
Long sword with kendo techniques? it disappoint me.... I just can see.. kendo vs kendo with diferent swords...
@brycesanders8546
@brycesanders8546 8 жыл бұрын
Heheh, I'd like to see a kendoka with an epee
@apollohateshisdayjob9606
@apollohateshisdayjob9606 8 жыл бұрын
a lot of techniques are semi universal between sword styles
@aidanalbin7390
@aidanalbin7390 8 жыл бұрын
+apollo grach both styles were developed in different places
@barghestblue731
@barghestblue731 8 жыл бұрын
but a sword is still a sword,and it is still used in the same way as a sword, they're really are not THAT many ways to hit someone with a sword, especially since both a katana and longsword are TWO handed swords they will share a lot, if not all, of the same techniques.
@ThiagueraPlay
@ThiagueraPlay 8 жыл бұрын
Depends... you can use any sword to hit something, but if you have no techniques, you will no cut right and no enjoy all potential of your sword. The style of fights from European sword, and oriental katana, Kenjutsu, is diferent,I expected a better show of styles, but what i can see is the same, my critique was about that...
@adude8216
@adude8216 3 жыл бұрын
0:38 Has to be the most beautiful parry I've ever fucking seen
@Arcana437
@Arcana437 3 жыл бұрын
Too bad he didn't follow up ughh
@jamie_d___
@jamie_d___ 6 жыл бұрын
I’ve had some good fights similar to this in the park with my son using sticks we were pretending were light sabres
@kukri_knife
@kukri_knife 2 жыл бұрын
剣道みたいに、左足を前に出しちゃいけないルールでもあるのですか?折角、木刀だから真剣のような動きが出来るのに勿体ない…
The longsword duel from THE KING is on point.
10:55
Shot Zero
Рет қаралды 2,7 МЛН
Rapier vs Katana; speed 4/5; 레이피어 vs 카타나 ; ropera vs katana
7:41
Rapier Duello 레이피어 듀엘로
Рет қаралды 4,4 МЛН
А я думаю что за звук такой знакомый? 😂😂😂
00:15
Денис Кукояка
Рет қаралды 4,9 МЛН
Creative Justice at the Checkout: Bananas and Eggs Showdown #shorts
00:18
Fabiosa Best Lifehacks
Рет қаралды 16 МЛН
Муж внезапно вернулся домой @Oscar_elteacher
00:43
История одного вокалиста
Рет қаралды 7 МЛН
Phil Swift (HEMA) vs Wilson Humphries (Kendo)
3:07
MSS Terra Nova School of Swords
Рет қаралды 949 М.
Basic principles of bokken practice
8:47
MindBody Aikido
Рет қаралды 100 М.
Gekiken (Katana vs Katana Sparring)
5:12
Jon the Stick
Рет қаралды 2,2 М.
The OFFICIAL End of Forged In Fire...
8:02
Film Trip
Рет қаралды 3 МЛН
Challenge the first speed record of swordsmanship
3:39
Kungfu SP
Рет қаралды 9 МЛН
What is the BEST Single-Handed Sword in History?
19:50
Skallagrim
Рет қаралды 494 М.
Kendo in High Speed Camera(Slow Motion)
5:18
makedmelon
Рет қаралды 4,8 МЛН
How Would a Katana Swordmaster Fight with a Longsword? (Shocking Findings)
7:38
Let's ask Seki Sensei | Online Katana Lessons
Рет қаралды 4,5 МЛН
The Deluge Duel.wmv
5:03
KPP999
Рет қаралды 4,1 МЛН
Bokken Techniques Obata
8:30
VegaAurora
Рет қаралды 226 М.
А я думаю что за звук такой знакомый? 😂😂😂
00:15
Денис Кукояка
Рет қаралды 4,9 МЛН