Ridge is forgetting steffy was involved with bill while he was married to Katie. No one makes her do anything.
@tili7243 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@ronderulijkummar74532 жыл бұрын
WHAT YOU SAID!😎😎😎
@ronderulijkummar74532 жыл бұрын
Either He Has A Selective Memory Or Is In Complete Denial, Who Knows?
@mamamia55562 жыл бұрын
🤣
@mmyash38362 жыл бұрын
Not only him Steffy’s minions too
@kaseyreed7975 жыл бұрын
Ridge it takes 2 to tango. Bill never tango alone
@ronderulijkummar74534 жыл бұрын
@Mary Nova And Bill is the Devil Incarnate!
@ksbaxter5 жыл бұрын
Ridge sounds like Batman with that deep voice lol
@saragarcia4414 жыл бұрын
But he always sounds like that
@keishapierre52654 жыл бұрын
😂🤣🤣🤣true
@louizuhlive2 жыл бұрын
Maybe it’s his German background? He is half German - half British.
@michellemoses67965 жыл бұрын
Ridge says "No you wouldn't that". Helloooo she did it a few years back when she was having an affair with him while he was married to Katie.
@staceycharles5274 жыл бұрын
Michelle Moses so very true
@staceycharles5274 жыл бұрын
Michelle Moses so very true ridge didn’t seem to care about it back then why now
@avataz4 жыл бұрын
All these forresters are disgusting trash, thorne is the most decent among them. Phoebe too before she went flying through a windshield
@staceycharles5274 жыл бұрын
Ridge blames bill doesn’t won’t to hear anything else because he can’t believe that his daughter can do that
@ehrenfriedostermann68394 жыл бұрын
@nadine müller he didn't rape Caroline.When he was in bed with her that was a joke from him to surprise her nothing more.He did nothing with her. A man raped Caroline but that was never Ridge.How can you say so much Shit.Watch the first season right then you can see it exactly. When Ridge would rape Caroline she and Brooke,Taylor and other would never be married with him. Stupid comment.
@jammyfan5 жыл бұрын
I love Hope and Liam seems people forget that Liam and Hope were together first before Steffy. Hope and Liam's relationship was manipulated in the past. But hey this is Bold and the Beautiful!
@horaceleonardgatesiii62583 жыл бұрын
Hi
@tapdancekid13 жыл бұрын
Boring as hell
@rachelkristine46692 жыл бұрын
It was that way, cuz Bill made it so. Steffy is his heart & always will be. I wish that was not the case, for his own good, but it is. She is his ONLY love. Sadly. 😔
@Blackwolf.777 Жыл бұрын
what are you saying? there is no real love in this soap. steffy especially cared more for flyn than liam. even jw admits that, everybody chages partners like shirts. steffy was true love of liam.... hahahahahahahahaha you make me laugh. they had sex with others so many times. like everybody. you have a weid sense of true love@@rachelkristine4669
@gabbyharrypersad9 ай бұрын
@@rachelkristine4669 urgh the delulu
@darriellemccord6535 жыл бұрын
I think we all forget that Steffy slept with Bill, Wyatt and Liam. She’s no better than brooke🤦🏾♀️
@mmyash38365 жыл бұрын
Steffy’s minions keeps forgetting that
@staceycharles5274 жыл бұрын
So very true think they forget that steffy has been through the hole family of man
@kategwen59534 жыл бұрын
Oh please stop comparing Steffy with Brooke, she is not even close, I mean Brooke had the audacity to take her sisters husband, also had an affair with her daughter's husband, steffy has only been with 3 guys, yes they are all Spencers, but she is definitely nothing compared to brooke
@lemperez4 жыл бұрын
Yup, she goes through the Spencer gene pool like Brooke went through the Forrester gene pool. Only Brooke was honest about it.
@nikkie22264 жыл бұрын
@@lemperez She sure was Steffy fan's like to see what the want it's like their ROSED COLOR GLASSES don't fog up lol
@oNegLeEk5 жыл бұрын
Ridge’s outrage is more about himself and how he hate’s bill then bill “taking advantage” of his precious little flower 🙄 btw they were two consenting adults ridge 🙄
@avataz4 жыл бұрын
Yup, he knows he is a crap father to his kids.
@deniserogers73914 жыл бұрын
She was loving it...finally got to sleep with her fantasy man lol...ridge get over it
@DeMarcusFountain-sv6fi Жыл бұрын
Oh boy. This was the episode Liam started to fall for Hope again. After being betrayed by Steffy, he starts looking at Hope like "Why did I let you go". And now in 2023 he's doing the same thing. Got betrayed by Hope and now hes looking at Steffy like "Why did I let you go" Lol. Thats Liam's problem. When hes in pain, he always turns to the arms of another woman. Well now he no longer has that safety net. Steffy is committed to Finn and Hope is happy with whatever shes doing with Thomas. Now Liam is alone and thats something he is not use to. Gonna be fun to see the development of his character
@576904 жыл бұрын
So much hate in this comment section. I love TK as Ridge because of how devoted he is as her father. My father would do the same, most would. Yeah, Steffy made a bad choice but it takes guts to look your father in the eye and tell him something like that. Ridge sticking up for her and letting her know he’s in her corner is beautiful. Not sure what you guys were expecting? Him to disown her? To shame her?
@neeshaanthony73463 жыл бұрын
Nobody is saying dat bt Ridge refuse to believe steffy was part owner of her and Bill sleeping together,Ridge prefer to her Bill rape his daughter wat Ridge fail to realize dat everything steffy is going through with Bill stems from yrs ago
@taureanmay14112 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@joyr36 Жыл бұрын
Ridge could be devoted to her and acknowledge that she made a mistake at the same time without claiming that Bill raped her. If what happened to Steffy was rape, then Ridge raped the first Caroline when Caroline was so drunk that she thought that Ridge was her husband Thorne. If he thinks Bill needs to be in jail, then Ridge needed to be in jail right along with him. Ridge is partially responsible for Taylor shooting Bill. They should both be in jail for that.
@bluesky9739 Жыл бұрын
We don't expect him to shame her or disown her,my father cares alot for me too,the only reason we can grow up and learn from our mistakes is to take responsibility for what we did and the face the consequences not blame others,guilt others and certainly bribe our way out of trouble and that is what ridge has done for years because he never held his children accountable for what they have done and that is why until now thom-ass and steffy have played him for the idiot he is,broke up his marriages with Brooke and latest when he left taylor at the altar and turned back to Brooke to marry her again.for years they have done it and will continue to do so,just wish Brooke hadn't took him back,she would be happier without him and his baggages of trouble.
@DeMarcusFountain-sv6fi Жыл бұрын
To hold her accountable. He never holds Steffy or Thomas accountable
@occhidicioccolato34154 жыл бұрын
Ridge is in denial mode
@brendapegram4434 жыл бұрын
Ridge give it a rest. Steffy said that it was consensual. Bill did not do all that when he was bedding his younger niece Caroline.
@fundiswa4026 Жыл бұрын
Facts !
@joyr36 Жыл бұрын
That's right, and Ridge actually took advantage of the first Caroline when she was drunk and married to his brother, Thorne.
@marygaryembry3213 Жыл бұрын
I wish hope would go back to Paris and stay there she is going to get Liam back I don't like her just go away!
@Vmichael85 ай бұрын
Ridge is in flight or fight mode, he really loves his daughter, and he knows he's done things he's not proud of, and he's gotta live with that
@beverleygrenfell38613 жыл бұрын
Ridge Steffy is no angel she did it with Bill it takes two.
@celinemurray25654 жыл бұрын
Two powerful men at war for/over Steffy...Bill should know that this is coming....Steffy being Ridge only Daughter that's left, It's good knowing that Hope is there for Liam, she even made him smile/laugh they will always have feelings for each other 😊😚
@Happyhearted4 жыл бұрын
Ridge never listens which is why he is always getting played by people... He doesn’t listen and he doesn’t consider what pple are saying... stuck in his mind thinking he’s right 😒
@231natasha4 жыл бұрын
Ridge, this happend to Steffie not you my friend
@sheilagrant25834 жыл бұрын
Guess this is pay back for when Ridge became involved with Bill niece Caroline, Bill beat him up
@sharonwhite41695 жыл бұрын
I find Ridge saying she is his little girl unbelievable. After all the times he cast her aside when she was a little girl.
@bluesky9739 Жыл бұрын
And then when she screws up Hope's relationships he says she's a big woman who can handle herself,she sure did handle herself when she slept with bill.
@רונןקפש-פ9ל Жыл бұрын
The old ridge was too bad of a father , he treated her unfairly and berated her for no reason, This new ridge is way too good of a father , he’s more than fair with her even when he shouldn’t be like in this situation where he should berate her like hell😢
@kennywohl28185 жыл бұрын
i don't want to be in Bill's shoes when ridge See's him
@nickbrooks20845 жыл бұрын
All those saying Steffy is a ho doesnt take into account Liam who jumps between Steffy and Hope like a game of hot potato
@Fanglover4415 жыл бұрын
Nick Brooks I think being stuck between two woman you love and sleeping with your husband’s FATHER is a bit different
@nickbrooks20845 жыл бұрын
@@Fanglover441 But Bill still took advantage of her Steffy defentily was not in the right state of mind at the time to consent to having sexual relations, even if she does say it was consensual theres still the fact that she didnt even remember what happened the morning she woke up she thought she was at home she thought it was all a bad dream until she opened her eyes and realized that everything she hoped was a dream was real.
@listrue72125 жыл бұрын
Nick Brooks o😂😂😂😂😂 here the one who take advantage of someone was STEFFY ! She was hurt and she wanted hurt who hurt her so she slept with Bill......that is her way to punish Liam . The next morning she wakes up and her anger is off and finally realize her mistake.....selfish . STEFFY was having this flashbacks of Bill please she was in her right mind! She was not drugged or drunk. NOW IS NORMAL THAT A PERSON HURT FOR ANKISS SLEPT WITH HER FATHER IN LAW😂😂😂😂😂🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 you steffy fans blame brooke for years for being a whore and watch what your dear STEFFY did😂😂😂😂😂🤟🤟🤟🤟KARMA. A SLUT WORST OF BROOKE
@cariwallis18065 жыл бұрын
A father in law that is 50 times hotter than your husband😈😊
@jacksonholland13895 жыл бұрын
@@Fanglover441 Steffy was very much in love with Bill in the past. As was Bill with her. This was not a simple situation just like Liam loving other people never was.
@joyr36 Жыл бұрын
Ridge can't admit that his little princess would sleep with her father-in-law, even though Steffy was Bill's mistress in the past before she went from father to son.
@rebekahjohnson9780 Жыл бұрын
Its kinda lame how they are trying to show us that Hope is helping Liam be happy. Like even his laugh is fake. He has no chemistry with either of the Hope actresses. Why couldn't they have just left Hope with Wyatt. For once I actually liked the Hope character. She was so bubbly and outgoing. Liam drains the life out of her.
@kimkalisek174610 ай бұрын
I loved Kim Matula as Hope
@hermanuslottering5412 жыл бұрын
if steffy loved Liam so much why did she sleep with bill you don't just sleep with someone if you don't have feelings for them
@kimberlycusack7295 жыл бұрын
I like steffy but bill could of left the. Guest house and none of this would never happen
@henriettaowens62914 жыл бұрын
Steffy should have told him to leave or she should have left
@tiroyaonejustinphologolo97632 жыл бұрын
Obviously they wanted to make way for Hope's return 🙄
@DeMarcusFountain-sv6fi Жыл бұрын
Steffy didnt have to open her legs regardless if Bill was there or not. She made that choice. I dont understand how she can allow herself to kiss him and take her clothes off and do the deed and then fall asleep next to him and then wake up horrified at what you did? She wasn't under the influence of anything so I'm not buying that. She was mad at Liam at got wanted to get back at him. Well congrats Steffy. You won
@mmyash38362 жыл бұрын
So brook is asking steffy to be her made of honor And she is worried about her And yet steffy’s minions always say she doesn’t love her
@emmasummers8933 жыл бұрын
I love Hope and Liam. I loved Steffy and Liam too but her being with his Dad...yuckkkk. I get it. Everyone makes mistakes and you should forgive but that doesn't mean he has to be with her. Hope definitely suits Liam better.
@אילייןלוי6 ай бұрын
😂why is Brooke so concerned about Liam leaving Stephie?!😅 I thought Brooke would be happy!😅😅😅😅😅
@KathleenCorson-t1v5 ай бұрын
Seeing Hope cheered Liam up. He's happy the most when Hope is around. They're always connected because of their daughter Beth Spencer. And the long history they shared too.
@sharonchase72343 ай бұрын
Hope just Liam second
@רונןקפש-פ9ל Жыл бұрын
Ridge wants desperately to believe that his daughter didn’t betray him in the worst way possible and she doesn’t give him the chance,that’s heartbreaking 😢😢😢🥺🥺🥺
@kathycaldwell84753 жыл бұрын
If Hope was not there for Liam there would be no reconnect. Somebody was always bothering them. She should be there for Liam. They will always have a connection. As the saying say Karma is a B. When I look back as at some of the old picture like some of you have Steffy was doing crazy things then. She always wanted to bother Hope relationship. In this episode I am glad Hope is there for Liam. He should have never went back to Steffy because how low can u go. I know this a soap but things like this do happen in real life. I would never in my life do something like that. Why do she keep letting Bill come in instead of telling him no he can not come in. We know how she was with Katie. How do u ever get over something like that because that image is branded in your memory. So it is not hope fault and she should help him.
@רונןקפש4 ай бұрын
steffy just dropped two low blows on her father with his worst enemy and expects/demands him not to any anything 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄😡😡😡😡🤬🤬
@sharonjoi11902 жыл бұрын
Why did everyone, upon learning of Steffy and $Bill's affair, thought she was assaulted?
@anikahtuitt4980 Жыл бұрын
Because Bill has a habit of being extreme to get what he wants...though it was definitely not the case here...His and Steffy's intense history was the flame of this situation..and a terrible lapse in judgement on both parts...the writers left no crumbs..
@cathyarnette28878 ай бұрын
Ridge couldn’t believe his precious daughter would sleep with his enemy,Steffy is a grown woman and chose to sleep with Bill who she has always supported no matter what,Liam needed Hope right now he needs someone who loves and cares about him someone who knows him,Hope is a good person she loved Liam before Steffy came in and started chasing him and she and Bill manipulated them both and they fell into their trap and I know Liam fell in love with Steffy but he has always loved Hope and they could’ve made except for outside interference, I hated the triangle between them because it continued to this day.
@hermanuslottering5412 жыл бұрын
what was steffy doing with a married man you all against hope let go back in the past
@kathleencorson95913 жыл бұрын
Ridge's rage after his daughter Steffy told him about her and Bill"Dollar Bill" Spencer sleeping together in Eric's guest house. That kind of rage that Ridge is feeling after finding out about Bill and Steffy's one night stand which is something that her husband Liam Spencer cannot ever get over, forgive nor forget in a hurry. But it's both Bill and Steffy's fault because of Bill's infatuation and obsession with Steffy that he would do anything to have his own son Liam's wife. But they're welcome to each other because Liam has moved out and Hope has just returned home from Paris France and Milan Italy. Hope doesn't know about Bill and Steffy yet or that Steffy is pregnant with Kelly Spencer but she will eventually find out about Bill and Steffy's affair and Steffy pregnant with Liam's daughter whom Liam and Steffy name Kelly Spencer Liam and Steffy's daughter. But wait until Bill finds out about his other son Wyatt and his ex wife and Bill's son Will's mother Katie's relationship let lone engagement. Bill will disown Wyatt as well as Liam. And only has Will to be a father to. Well it will be Liam and Wyatt Spencer who will disown Bill but it will all on Bill Spencer once Bill cuts Liam and Wyatt out of his life and Spencer Publications and disinherits Wyatt with the dismay of Wyatt's mother Quinn once Wyatt tells his mother and Eric everything from Bill and Steffy's one night stand in Eric's guest house to Steffy being pregnant with Liam's baby and for Liam to take off his wedding ring and hand Steffy the annulment papers and then there is Bill's obsessed infatuation and fixation of Steffy.
@רונןקפש-פ9ל Жыл бұрын
You weren’t there for her because she didn’t give you a chance to, she thought she could handle it all on her own, well , we all know the outcome of those thoughts 😢😢
@רונןקפש-פ9ל Жыл бұрын
Steffy has given her father every reason to turn on her but he didn’t 😢🥺😩😭
@sharonchase72349 ай бұрын
HOPE NEED to mind her business Hioe Liam is going to love Steffy if he leave her his heart belongs to Steffy stop trying to take place Steffy if he do get with you are 2in liam heart Steffy is 1 number in liam ❤️
@TNHFPRODUCTIONS9872 жыл бұрын
This is unbelievable 4 years later they will repeat the same damn storyline With Brooke/Deacon/Ridge Brooke Defending Deacon Just like Steffy Defending Bill
@temmymasi59454 жыл бұрын
They bk to their old love affair lol..what else do u wanna call it Mr wannabe 😂😂😂 Ridge is being dramatic..he even did the same thing with Caroline who's the same age as Stephanie 😋😋hello vice versa.. stop ur drama ur all the same
@chanelrobinson8848 Жыл бұрын
It’s crazy cause the samething Bill and Steffy did. Thomas did the exact same thing to Caroline. Only difference the baby is Liam’s and not Bills.
@lime72535 жыл бұрын
and again Liam and Hope....oh yes,l forgot,there are only a handful of women in L.A.
@galoutlaw80894 жыл бұрын
This Hope is so far tolerable. I hated the way Kim Matula was always cribbing.
@רונןקפש-פ9ל Жыл бұрын
See what you set in motion, hell beyond any fury for everyone involved 😞😞😞😱😱😱 and yet she thought she was doing something good helping bill no thinking how things will turn out, the blame is completely on her.
@231natasha4 жыл бұрын
Ridge is hurting for steffie
@רונןקפש-פ9ל Жыл бұрын
You wouldn’t do that to him , you wouldn’t do that to me, the pain in Ridge’s eyes 😢😢😢 , Steffy didn’t betray only Liam in the worst possible way, she has betrayed her father too, she has disgraced him to no end with his worst enemy 😢😢😢😢, bell could have make both Liam and ridge turn on steffy , they both had very good reason to do so🥺🥺🥺😢😢😢😢
@maryfrazier98647 ай бұрын
Did you forget that Brooke and Bill got married
@רונןקפש-פ9ל7 ай бұрын
@@maryfrazier9864 so….? It’s hits you deeper when your own flesh and blood..😢
@רונןקפש-פ9ל6 ай бұрын
@@maryfrazier9864 yes , but they were already in the separation process
@myrad.florence98603 жыл бұрын
I hated the interaction of Liam and Hope when she came back into town. She should've not come in between a marriage. She interrupted a successful reconciliation. If she hadn't insinuated herself in Liam and Steffy's marriage, there would never had been a divorce.
@tiroyaonejustinphologolo97632 жыл бұрын
The moments between them were so corny 🙄. What happened with Bill, and Steffy was just Bell, and his writers paving the way for Hope's return 🗑 🚮
@sippifire Жыл бұрын
Hope HAD NO CLUE Steffy and Liam were in trouble! RIDGE BROUGHT Hope home not Brooke,
@nataliearreola636111 ай бұрын
She knew that he was married and expecting a baby with his wife.
@kimkalisek174610 ай бұрын
Steffy screwed his dad, yes it was Hope's fault
@nataliearreola636110 ай бұрын
@@kimkalisek1746 Liam forgave her for that and sent her dozens upon dozens of white roses to symbolize their fresh start. The only way hope got him was because he was lied to
@robindeas16104 жыл бұрын
Why Does Brooke Always Feel The Need To Run To Bill About Everything
@רונןקפש-פ9ל Жыл бұрын
I mute every time she defends bill, I can’t hear that anymore 😤😤😤🤬🤬🤬🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
@evanparsons164010 ай бұрын
Liam is totally broken - Scott Clifton aced this material
@kitjune93334 жыл бұрын
Bill, you didn't think it was none of YOUR business when you went meddling in Liam and Steffy's problems, did you? You deliberately took advantage of their problems, so shut your hypocritical trap! Ridge is wrong, Bill didn't force Steffy but he did prey on her. That's my Steffy! Not trying to make herself look like a victim, not even to her dad.
@kategwen59534 жыл бұрын
Steffy is the best! I am sure if it was me, I would try playing the victim just to save my marriage! Gosh, but I am learning things from this sopie, I swear
@NydiaLC26 күн бұрын
Why is it so hard for everyone to believe it? Didn't they have an affair in the past?
@VamLiberdade7 ай бұрын
Welcome
@beverleygrenfell38615 ай бұрын
Steffy isn't no angel she wanted Bill or she wouldn't have done it..
@catherinerigoux41485 жыл бұрын
You have to like this dumb soap. Everybody sleep with everybody. Liam was ready to leave his wife but now the kid is here wants to re married but then he slept with Hope and she is pregnant. The mother of Hope who, s thrill of the situation. That is just insane. Who are those people who, s writing the script. That is just sick. It just turn to ridiculous 🙄🤔🤔
@dorcymomin91394 жыл бұрын
The two rivals .... F and S....
@tammyackerman22625 ай бұрын
OMG Ridge is making it sound like Steffy was Forced into sleeping with Bill! It was her choice! She could of made Bill leave instead she chose to sleep with him! Her own husband's father!!! Thats sick! Steffy has never been miss Innocent anyway but of course Ridge thinks his kids can do NO Wrong! Furthermore he's one to be talking about anyone with his History!!! Idk how Liam ever forgave Steffy for sleeping with Bill his Father when he couldn't forgive Hope for a Kiss between her and Thomas at the Colosseum back in 2023 after her HFTF fashion show! I don't blame Hope I would have divorced Liam and went to Thomas after Thomas had changed back then too!!! YOU CAN'T PUT SOMEONE IN JAIL FOR CONSENSUAL SEX RIDGE! STEFFY WAS DEFINITELY WILLING, SHES NOT A CHILD AND SHE'S SO DRAMATIC!!!!
@TNHFPRODUCTIONS9873 жыл бұрын
WHY IS STEFFY DEFENDING BILL
@rachelkristine46692 жыл бұрын
Simple. She still has feelings for him, which is why she slept with him, which she admits too later on. Takes 2 to tango, yall. Honestly, am surprised this didn't happen alot sooner. I always knew it would! 🤣
@louizuhlive Жыл бұрын
She never said that, since Liam came in her life.
@maveemusic5316 Жыл бұрын
Coz bill didn't force her their had feelings for each other but steffy had deep feeling for liam
@KDWilliams7793 ай бұрын
She;s not defending Bill, she’s being accountable for her actions, because Ridge is accusing him of assaulting her
@panwadca81253 жыл бұрын
5:16 8:40 12:25
@dellaarmstrong48624 жыл бұрын
Why would he want her to open up to Brooke, Brooke would use this to her advantage for her daughter to hook her claws into Liam.
@sippifire Жыл бұрын
That was not it Ridge wanted Brooke to think Bill the monster and side with him was what Ridge was up to
@temmymasi59454 жыл бұрын
I miss the old hope..she was more prettier and unique in her own way..this hope no offence is abit boring 🙄🙄🙄
@genilege7152 жыл бұрын
Very boring 😴 😪 😒 😑 🙄 😕
@kimbeatricee Жыл бұрын
Takes a while to get used to a new actor, im still not used with this Ridge 😂
@VamLiberdade5 ай бұрын
Piancogno piancogno
@maveemusic5316 Жыл бұрын
Liam is not a man of his words you promised steffy that good or bad better for worse you stay with her now she make mistake n you left her liam is be hypocrisy you are sleeping with steffy while steffy is still marriage to your brother wyatt liam you fooling too much
@taureanmay14112 жыл бұрын
Ridge is have an ear full , when it comes to Dollar 🤑💰 Bill 😅😉😜🤣🙂🚫💵💰💸 Spencer.
@taureanmay14112 жыл бұрын
For Steffy's sake 🍶.
@CherylCrosby-g1h26 күн бұрын
Steffy and Bill did nthe deed they slept together
@oarabilemokgothu44394 жыл бұрын
To hell with this i came home becouse i missed home mxm🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
@amokuramoeke8802Ай бұрын
daugther
@deverniethomas26714 жыл бұрын
Hope is no different from Brooke they are like vultures always there where as man ave problem in their relationship Ridge please take it as how steffy explain it and leave it at that
@aundraalfred7934 жыл бұрын
Tell Hope to leave so he can have a chance to think ,first i think for this story that best. Cause it would seem like she is pushing her self on him. Please give her another part.Thanks U.
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