Bold and the Beautiful - 2000 (S13 E190) FULL EPISODE 3324

[@NewYorkNick0607]

Instead of talking about how much Thorne has done for her, Macy should bring up when she risked her life to spring him from jail. 🙄🥴

[@MichelleCootee]

Your so right about that

[@annieo6527]

Macy should just bring up _everything_ she has done for Thorne and asked him if he genuinely believes Brooke would do the same.

[@sharonstewart4882]

Exactly! Thank you. All these people (even the Spectra gang) keep saying what Thorne has done for Macy but their history is the other way around!

[@christinaredhead8771]

Agreed! He's worse than Ridge...steupes Many deserve so much better.

[@TriniT21]

The only thing I can think of Thorne doing for Macy, in their entire history, is JTs version when he agreed to help her with her dream of singing and then when he finally married her after she got him out of jail. Otherwise he hadn't done anything for her, besides give her grief.

[@jonfoerster]

Brooke looks like Pam in that daydream: 0:20 😆

[@NewYorkNick0607]

Again, all memories and daydreams of Brooke are in bed.

[@johannad8029]

😂😂

[@TriniT21]

You know that was the first thing I said about Brooke.😂 Talk about one track mind from a one trick pony. She doesn't even daydream about bringing out a decent looking, non-Shein collection... Even Sheila once had a nice daydream about running Forrester lol.

[@annieo6527]

I don't know if this is supposed to be romantic, but something about that scene seemed deliberately over the top - the blurry image, the light, Brooke's white dress, Thorne's absence of clothing. It was just _too much_ to be completely unironic. It actually supported the "fauxmantic heroine" narrative. (Especially since the dialogue was about Thorne's _wife_ conveniently agreeing to a divorce.)

[@TriniT21]

@@annieo6527 I think the entire scene fits in well with the theme of Brooke and Thorne's "relationship" : fake and over the top. Meanwhile, not Brooke fantasising about Thorne telling his wife he's divorcing her, but then acting all concerned about how Macy will react to Thorne telling her he's divorcing her. 😑

[@NewYorkNick0607]

@@annieo6527 I like that reading! Also have we ever seen that exterior shot of Brooke's house before, with the steps leading down the hill (first few seconds of the episode)? It looks more like a Italian countryside villa.

[@kg4025]

How I wish Macy wouldn't want Thorne to give it another chance and just give him 30 minutes to pack his bags.

[@annlavine3576]

And throw all his things on the front yard

[@TriniT21]

He shouldn't even get to pack.

[@lil_jon411]

It’s sad how she doesn’t realize how lucky she is getting divorced from him

[@FayeIL]

Note to Costuming Department: Putting Brooke in a floor-length, flowing, demure, virginal-looking white nightgown isn’t going to make us forget how many times *that* horse has been ridden. Kimberly is such a great sister that she looks more haggard than Macy in sympathy to her sister.

[@dfoozin]

Brooke looks 60 years old in that fantasy 😳

[@jemekiahall5848]

Kimberly's hair looks horrible!

[@TriniT21]

Honestly I thought that it was an older woman when the scene first started. I was like.. What old lady is this now? No joke.

[@scor66]

​@@TriniT21😂😂😂

[@dfoozin]

The hair and makeup team that always undermines Brooke are now doing it to Kimberly.

[@jemekiahall5848]

Bad!

[@mara4450]

They really do. Kimberly looked so much better during the Venice SL.

[@TriniT21]

I jumped with fright when I saw Kimberly

[@babs4848]

Are we sure, after all these seasons, that the problem is the make up for Brooke?

[@nancytautuaa8996]

That's ok Macy just let Thorne go because it won't be long til Brooke dumps him 🤣🤣🤣

[@annieo6527]

This would actually be Macy's best move. Sit back, bring the popcorn and let Thorne and Brooke self destruct within six months.

[@babs4848]

​@@annieo6527but we will! 🍿

[@memento-_mori]

The opening shots with Brooke in the window looks like one of those medications for seniors ads.

[@jemekiahall5848]

😂

[@TriniT21]

I really didn't recognise Brooke and thought it was a senior citizen lol

[@jemekiahall5848]

@@TriniT21 😂

[@scor66]

😂😂😂

[@jonfoerster]

@@TriniT21 She looked like Pam! 😂

[@brendanbressler9807]

Grandma Dinosaur daydreaming about her current favorite stepson.

[@bradleygarcia9973]

Kimberly spent more time trying to get in between Rick and Amber's marriage than she did when she "backed away"...

[@annlavine3576]

Brook has a one track mind and Sally is spot on about her A alley cat has more scruples Cats don’t betray anyone

[@reneegolovacha1880]

I like the dark hair on Kimberly but that “perm” or whatever the hell it is looks ridiculous 😂

[@annieo6527]

"You started drinking out of fear that you were going to lose me to Brooke. And that fear isn't going to go away -until you lose me to Brooke- as long as you and I are still married." Excellent logic Thorne... in order to make a fear go away, make it come true. 😂

[@annlavine3576]

Brook is the problem….she always is

[@O.J.S.]

🎯🎯🎯

[@ThomasandHopefan]

Brooke and Thorne are hot. But the way Brooke destroyed all these women lives: Macy Katie Bridget. Is why she’ll never be my fave. She deserved karma and Amber wasn’t enough tbh.

[@MichelleCootee]

Your so right about that

[@-Lily7415]

Kimberly stuck her finger in the outlet.

[@jemekiahall5848]

😂

[@lindazollman]

Scared the be-jeepers outta me! Yikes.

[@leanajeanlouis2396]

My Goodness how many MEN can one woman go through a whole ENTIRE FAMILY BROOKE LOGAN your a........... I'll leave that right here

[@jemekiahall5848]

Reva Shayne did the same on GL but at least she was likable!

[@TriniT21]

And Brooke is far from finished... There are more family members for her to get to yet... 🤢

[@scor66]

​@@jemekiahall5848Oh yes, I loved Reva!

[@leviaj1]

Kimberly looks a bit like Mowgli from the Jungle Book😂...and Brooke is her Baloo😂😂😂

[@annlavine3576]

Macy is spot on

[@jackkalayzich2000]

Kimberly looks like the girl from the Ring. 😂

[@elaineellard5848]

😂😂😂

[@TriniT21]

I can't even concentrate on what Kimberly is saying bc her hair is distracting me. It's like a whole character from the muppet show.

[@z-5reader939]

😂😂😂

[@z-5reader939]

Maybe they were trying to add diversity to the cast by way of hair.

[@TriniT21]

@@z-5reader939 what was the name of the hair from Addams Family?? 😂 He's making a cameo appearance on Kimberly's head

[@juliaschmidt6511]

​@@TriniT21Do you mean cousin IT?

[@JamesBrady-qc6zy]

Jeff trachta thorne will never leave Macy with brhooker

[@annieo6527]

Kimberly decided to talk to Brooke about how homewrecking is bad, and was struck by lightning. ⚡ It's the only explanation to that hair.

[@TriniT21]

I literally went... "GAHHHH!" 😳 when I saw her hair

[@babs4848]

😂

[@leviaj1]

It's that "just came out of the shower" look

[@TriniT21]

Kimberly's memory of events is awfully convenient (maybe it's a case of new hair, new Kim?) . As I recall, she was bound and determined to find out Amber's secret to break up Rick's marriage. Even going so far as flying to Paris to find Becky when she found it was taking too long for Rick and Amber to fall apart.

[@mara4450]

Kimberly really shouldn't take herself as example. Kimberly still pushed Rick to divorce Amber in August 1999, *6 months after Rick had married Amber* , regardless that Rick then was supposed to be the father of Amber's baby (born in April). And while Kimberly might have backed out for a little while, she later went to great lengths to find something to break up that marriage (went to Paris to talk to Becky)l

[@alicehuante]

What the hell happened to Kimberly??????

[@carerforever2118]

Her hair is getting worse she looked better when she was blond

[@TriniT21]

Akshually, Brooke, it was _you_ who came between Thorne and Macy. Macy was first, and Brooke was, as usual 2nd

[@annieo6527]

Yeah, how can Brooke say that it was Macy who came between Thorne and her, when she spent the entire time Thorne was engaged to Macy trying to convince him not to marry her?

[@babs4848]

​@@annieo6527gee Brooke is never out of character even when she pretends to be the good one.

[@tonycypriot9401]

Sally on Brooke: "The moral instincts of an alley cat!" Love it. Okay my take on these last 30 episodes. First what emotion! The becky story had me in tears a few times, notably CJs reaction and the wedding. And then seeing Macy fall apart, I know very well as I can relate to a very similar situation, becoming codependent on soneone you love and then having people around them undermine and make you feel threatened of which adds more fuel to then self destruct. Thorne made a huge mistake marrying her so quick, yet understandably had to break things off as staying in the marriage only became thee extra pressure on Macy to keep it together. As for Morgan I was completely with her up until the deception she committed to get pregnant by Ridge and use Taylor's message. She'd of had everything had she just went through the procedure as Taylor thought happened, but was caught up on her emotions to manipulate of which only further justified Stephanie's reaction. The way she treated Morgan in the past was abhorrent, however due to Morgan's own manipulation I see Stephanie's point. As for Brooke I have no words, yes Ridge tempted her in order for Thorne to see, but she took the bate. That makes Thorne a bigger fool because had Taylor and Ridge truly separated and Ridge truly came on to her, she'd of gone for it. These were the best years of the B&B and I'm continuing to watch them from here.

[@annieo6527]

Note that when Thorne asks Macy for a divorce, he is _repeating Brooke's exact words_ (that he doesn't love Macy "the way a husband should love his wife") - indicating that he is not thinking independently but is, in fact, "under Brooke's spell" - just like John the AA counselor, a representative of the Invisible Narrator, _also_ used Brooke's phrase earlier that day. It's as if the show itself is repeating this phrase to make it true. And yet Macy immediately and furiousIy disproves this statement because she _knows_ it isn't true.

[@ThomasandHopefan]

So the Brooke bias on this show started earlier than I thought.

[@sharonstewart4882]

@@ThomasandHopefan It started when Brad took over

[@TriniT21]

I totally felt that this Thorne is the third version of him, with no knowledge of the actual history between him and Macy, by the way he said.. Yeah, we've been together for a long time, so casually, like they didn't go thru all kinds of fire together. Macy is right when she says he has no idea what he means to her... He really acts like he hasn't been around b4 this season.

[@annieo6527]

@@TriniT21 and he acts as though they aren't standing in the house where Thorne lived next door to Macy for the past two years just so he could be close to her (even though she was married to another man for part of that time). This whole storyline hinges on the viewer forgetting not only Thorne and Macy's past history but their _recent_ history as well. Until he randomly kissed Brooke a year ago, Thorne's life goal was getting back together with Macy. Only Macy is reminding the viewer of this (she remembers, even while drunk), while Thorne acts like it never happened.

[@babs4848]

​@@annieo6527but viewers know! Why the writing is so disappointing. Obviously the writer can choose the direction of his script and characters, but with work and patience and a lot of respect for some dynamics. As if he hat ed what it was previously thought by his father

[@ThomasandHopefan]

Kimberly looks terrible.

[@leanajeanlouis2396]

That Color just isn't it it does nothing for her

[@z-5reader939]

Her hair! 😆 And her eternal scowl.

[@kimkalisek1746]

Brooke looks stunning in her black dress

[@mara4450]

Kimberly nowadays looks as if she had decided to go on the run with her dad and so had gotten a make over to become unrecognizable. She looked so much better during the Venice SL.

[@dfm-xu3qu]

😂😂😂

[@rainezess]

Macy is fighting hard to keep Thorne! I don’t blame her cause he’s a fine man!

[@deborahenamamos2621]

What's with the hair?!

[@HunterWrangler]

Main cast has been reduced to 15 with the exit of Tawny and Giovanni.

[@Angelika....]

What the hell happened to Kimberlys hair? Suddenly dark brown? From a beauty to... whatever!??? Doesnt fit her...

[@nicoleackerman205]

This happened in real life to my cousins niece it was her boyfriend who wanted to get married even though he was 22 and it turned out he had a girl on the side it was him who pushed the marriage they last three months until she found out.

[@wnstein]

Kimberley's hair! hahahahaha

[@francescofabbri7454]

What happened in Venice, Brooke, is that you were on the point of falling for Ridge again (unfortunately Taylor entered the room too soon). But the biggest mistake was made by Thorne, who couldn't stay alone for one day and decided to propose to Macy on the rebound.

[@marcial7742]

What did they do to Kimberlys hair???

[@hopeaiden6639]

Damn Macy sobered up quick

[@nicoleackerman205]

They as in the showrunners loved torturing Macy.

[@annieo6527]

It's almost like a running joke - the writers going "what else can we do to torment Macy?" And after all this, they bring her back only for her to find out that she has cancer, that she can't have children, and that her husband got her best friend pregnant.

[@nicoleackerman205]

@@annieo6527 Yes that what I was I was talking about the only character on a tv show who got torture about the same was Mary on Little House on the Praire. It hard to watch both of the constantly having set back after set back.

[@aph1976]

Also in Thorne and Macy's first marriage, wasn't it Macy who cheated with Jake?I'm not condoning Thorne's behavior but Macy wasn't entirely in their history of their relationship was she?

[@JamesBrady-qc6zy]

Wait really cuz I starting watching bold and beautiful around 1993. I started to hate thorne when he cheated on Macy with brhooker

[@annieo6527]

The two don't really compare. This happened almost a decade ago, and Thorne more than evened the score already in 1992 when he had his girlfriend _living_ with him and Macy. Since then, Thorne has been the one responsible for everything that went wrong in that relationship.

[@annieo6527]

*Macy as Cassandra* The portrayal of Macy here is a good example of the "unreliable narrative" the show is currently in. There is every indication in the writing that Macy is breaking down, that she is losing touch with reality and that her refusal to accept the end of her marriage is a sign of that. Yet, a year from now, the show's narrative will _align_ with Macy's narrative and retroactively prove her _right._ Like Cassandra, when Macy seems at her most deIusional in this scene she is actually _correctly predicting the future._ She says that Thorne and Brooke's relationship is just a passing phase, and she is right. And she is even foreshadowing her own fate when she says that she "would die for Thorne" (which we already know is true, because we have seen her risk her life for his sake before). This creates a strange discrepancy where, watching these episodes, there are two narrative "truths" - Macy's and Thorne's, and it is quite unclear which one we are _supposed_ to believe. Thorne's truth represents Brad Bell's writing in the year 2000, Macy's truth represents Brad Bell's writing a year later (as well as the writing _before_ the year 2000 - which Macy actually reminds us of in this scene by narrating their history). But the question is, was Macy always supposed to be proven right, or did Brad Bell eventually resign to this narrative in spite of himself, because the _characters_ lead him in that direction? Throughout her character history, Macy was always a reliable narrator (much more so than either Brooke or Thorne). Even now when she appears not to be, it's difficult to erase what we know about this character because we are _used_ to trusting her. On the other hand, this reliability only applies when Macy is sober, which she isn't now. So there really isn't a point of reference in this storyline where we can know the objective truth, because _all characters involved_ are unreliable - as is the writing itself. And this narrative vertigo manifests itself the most clearly in Macy, who is utterly disoriented and struggling to make sense of her storyline and herself. Macy is acting out of character, but she is also painfuIIy _aware_ that she is acting out of character. Throughout this storyline, we have Macy meta commenting on her own behavior, comparing it to her usual behavior, and not liking what she sees. Interestingly, this Cassandra role usually belongs to _Stephanie,_ and we see her *also* in this role in these episodes, but in the Morgan storyline, creating a connection between Macy and Stephanie.

[@annlavine3576]

Macy is right

[@NewYorkNick0607]

Great analysis and I like the questions you raise. I strongly believe it's the latter, that Brad didn't plan for Macy to be proven right but the characters and soap storytelling inertia led him there. This happens a lot with Brad and his bad ideas. For example, the Massimo storyline where eventually they just pretend like that didn't happen and everyone acts like Ridge is still Eric's son after all.

[@annieo6527]

@@NewYorkNick0607 yes, I agree. It feels as if Brad 🔔 tries to move the storyline in a certain direction, and only later becomes aware that it is not working because the characters don't _follow_ him, and then he goes back to allowing the characters to do what they "want" instead of what he tries to "make" them do. I've said before that Macy actually comes across as a more reliable narrator than Bell in this storyline, because she is consistent and keeps saying things we know happened (and will happen), while Brooke and Thorne's narrative clearly contradicts what we have seen on screen. And then something like that daydream happens which kind of feels like it subverts or even ridicuIes Brad 🔔's current narrative, whether or not it's intentional, and I have to wonder how he could _not_ have realized how it looked. I agree the Massimo plot is another great example of one of those things that were meant to change the direction of the show in a major way and then ended up in the "let's not speak of this ever again" category.

[@fleetwoodmacncheese4159]

8:28 😲😲😲 ouch... 🥝💚🖤

[@Kuunpoika]

Yikes, Kimberly looks horrible! What happened to Barbie? Barbie became Bratz knockout from Temu! 😂

[@isabellamelissa4658]

where is episode 2120????????????

[@Angelika....]

Looool its llike a mob.. all that woman that show up in brookes offie to threaten her. Why is nobody threatening Thorne ??? Of course on BB man can sleep with whomever they want. They are always innocent. 😂😂😂😂 especially poor Forrester man😂😂😂

[@lindazollman]

Brooke dressed in white…..LMAO!

[@annieo6527]

When your romantic s ex fantasy starts with the man of your dreams saying his wife agreed to a divorce, you know there's something wrong with it.

[@hopeaiden6639]

Kimberlee’s start of her psychotic phase

[@LaurieSzymanski]

Kimberly must have really pissed off tĥe hair/makeup team, because, yowza, she is a mess!

[@VjAdrasaVideos]

so if you want a divorce you have to report to her family and your family because you cant do what you want .the others decide how to run your life

[@scor66]

Kimberly's like Brooke; nothing special about her either!

[@Angelika....]

Macy is so lost and desperate. Asif she isnt worth anything without Thorne. How often is she the weak one again?

[@MichelleCootee]

Thank you so much for this great episode and I hope that everyone is having a great day too

[@kimkalisek1746]

Macy hush

[@ryancramm5769]

What the heck happened with Kimberly’s hair? She was SO hot!! Hope it improves later on!! 😥🙏