Bond 26: A Conversation With David Zaritsky

[@philipgreen8227]

I really hope they bring back something that's been missing for a while Escapism and fun

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

It'll really depend on the creative team, but I'd like a Bond movie with a spring in its step!

[@michaelcallaghan4336]

@@AnalyzeThisMisterBond I think that really has to be the way forward. Craig was so good at doing intensity, grit, darkness - they've taken that angle as far as they can. The next actor would suffer from comparison to Craig, and thematically there's not much more to develop there. Instead, fresh start and a few attitude.

[@harrietmia]

Love that Ian Fleming quote. I fear we have entered an era (perhaps related to the internet) where some people don’t like to see bad people or see films about “bad” characters as an endorsement of their actions by the filmmakers. This is not me being a misogynist (I’m a woman and have always loved the cool powerful bond women) but it’s okay if bond isn’t always a polite and palatable man! He’s a character!

[@frankb821]

Growing up with both an older father, and Roger Moore playing Bond, I always saw Bond as an older, distinguished gentleman, and still prefer that type of Bond to this day. Which is why I hope the next Bond is at least 40 to start...

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

Michael G. Wilson said they were targeting someone in their mid-30s, which makes sense given that it takes them about three years to conceive and film a Bond movie these days.

[@belloq81]

Great conversation! It’s awesome to see two voices in the Bond community that I really respect cross-over like this. At the end of the day, like both of you, I’m open to almost anything in terms of the next approach (short of just a retread of Craig’s time, because I think we need to inject some real freshness into the series), as long as Bond is depicted as a skilled professional enjoying life -- fast cars, gambling/sporting, good food and drink, nice hotels, fine clothing, and women -- because he knows his could be cut short on the next mission.

[@varangianventure]

Daniel Craig both revitalized and complicated the Bond franchise. Martin Campbell's Casino Royale was a massive success, modernizing Bond for a new era. While Craig eventually replaced costume designer Lindy Hemming, he brought in Sam Mendes, and together they peaked with Skyfall. However, as a producer on Spectre and No Time to Die, Craig’s influence led to a finale that felt unearned, like a forced "last hurrah." Also on No time to Die. I found it interesting how Bond evolved into more of a lone cowboy, especially with that jacket seen behind David Zaritsky, rather than the classic gentleman. Great video!

[@mohammedashian8094]

Um he’s not exactly a GENTLEMAN my friend. He’s an anti hero with rough edges but has a heart (not like depressed emo blondie but more like how Dalton did it).

[@varangianventure]

@@mohammedashian8094 hehe let's just say I was going by the Guy Ritchie definition of a classic gentleman? ;-)

[@mohammedashian8094]

@@varangianventure ahhh now I get your meaning my friend 😂

[@marvinthemartian6788]

Spectre and no time to die I think did great damage to the franchise

[@Benji568]

EON have made Bond lose its identity. Bond should never be a sappy melodramatic soap opera with family issues and social politics. You have to keep the core fundamentals that make Bond, Bond. Action, Beautiful women, Espionage, Gadgets, Cars, Good Villains, An outlandish plan and that Bond DOES NOT DIE. Daniel Craig did his realistic shtick. Let's get away from that and go back to the fun Bond films of old.

[@johnhansen1501]

So glad to hear David call out the moment when “Craig” ask Paloma to look away. That bothered me the moment I watched it. “ ok, no sex, but look what you’re missing out on”

[@005-y8v]

Great work , glad you had a great time around so much Bond gear!

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

It's a delight to be in the Archive!

[@jonbaker2102]

The gents are absolutely right- No Time to Die was a Breach of Contract and never should have been made (like with Never say Never Again).

[@jeromewagschal9485]

Well...At least Bond did not die in NSNA... Sure, Connery really looked old and many things were a bit corny but it was still fun and entertaining...

[@TheRavens77]

Very excited for this one!

[@jamesgivens6127]

Like many have said, a return to the literary Bond would be refreshing. He's been missing for awhile.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

I am a Fleming fan first or foremost.

[@michaelpoplawski2998]

Some great insights into the Bond mind, especially the point where Craig is no longer Bond in the movies.

[@frankb821]

100% agree that Daniel Craig plays himself in NTTD...which makes sense because he came to loathe Bond and what he stood for. Which is why he only agreed to come back if Barbara let him kill Bond.

[@m.d.kenyon]

I love both Ryan’s channel and @TheBondExperience so this was a real mash up treat! Different styles and takes - great to see you both surprising and bouncing off each other - hopefully we’ll see you together again soon!

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

🤞

[@thomascarroll5750]

Dude, YES! This'll be good

[@danielscott8180]

Ryan always goes real deep into Bond real quick. The best Bond channel. This is the kind of analysis I like of these films.

[@Paul_Whaley]

Very much looking forward to this!

[@ENLIGHTENMENT789]

Great discussion guys

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

@@ENLIGHTENMENT789 Thank you!

[@Visqo1]

Very good conversation guys!

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

Cheers! Thanks for watching.

[@LucasBenderChannel]

Wonderful wonderful conversation! I loved listening to this, especially because the introductory question about Bond as a (possibly) generational property is so rich and salient. I've never heard it put into those words though. To many happy collaborations in the future 🍸

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

Cheers, Lucas! There'll be collaborations to come.

[@tmmartinesq.6216]

My dad also introduced us to TSWLM when we were kids in the 70s. #GenX

[@mattengel00]

Excellent conversation!

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

Cheers, Matt!

[@batmanbear]

Start over with a 35-40 year old Bond set in modern conflicts, similar to the Carte Blanche novel. Casino Royal showed so much potential for Craig's Bond, but ultimately fell short with the follow-uo films.

[@philustratorprendergast9632]

Brilliant conversation between my favourite Bond content creators on KZbin 👌🏻

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@agent00asmr]

Good discussion. Some real nuggets in there.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

Cheers! Thanks for watching.

[@Mostirrelevant]

Where?...😎

[@agent00asmr]

@Mostirrelevant I think in David's analysis of the mythical audience. Also in the difference of Bond moments vs Craig coming through the scene. Good observations.

[@BillyJ-NJ2DMV]

Really enjoyed the convo, gents!

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

Us too!

[@regis_red]

I always saw Bond as the ultimate death cheater, an essential part of the appeal of the character. No Time to Die broke that and yes, it’s like a breach of contract. I will not see the character the same way again. No Time to Die was akin to The Last Jedi in the sense that both films turned their main characters (Skywalker and Bond) 180° to the point of being unrecognizable. I 100% agree with David Zaritsky.

[@005-y8v]

@@regis_red I watched No Time To Die once and I will never watch it again!

[@regis_red]

@@005-y8v Nor will I.

[@xtrachrisb488]

The film was bad even without the ending

[@thechairman74]

Exactly. You listen to Robert Meyer Burnett, one of the great Bond fans and the reason why Bond is the way he is is because his job is defy death. Kill, or be killed. If every mission, you think you might not come back, and you do, how do you think you'll live your life? A hell of a lot different than if you were a regular bloke with a wife and family and home. That's why guys like Bond can't be that way. He cheats death for a living so he's going to live large, bet large, drive fast, drink a lot, bed lots of women. He's not expecting to live to an old age.

[@jeromewagschal9485]

I agree...There have been so many times in the movies where Bond cheated death at the last second one way or another...And that scene in NTTD where he swims out of the sinking boat told me just that... again...Yes, he could have drowned but he's the kind of guy who simply refuses to give up...only to give up so easily at the end of that "movie", just stand there and die ?? This is NOT the Bond I've known my entire life, even if he was infected and he presented a danger to his daughter and her mom he would have preferred to be in isolation until they could find a cure... But I'm just ranting for nothing, Craig wanted Bond to die anyway and they let him do it...

[@DafyddBrooks]

Great conversation and hope you do more with David aswell as maybe Joe Darlington, Calvin Dyson etc in the future!! 29:09 very good point because I accept change myself given that we;ve already had loadsa the same type of movies for the action hero 15:31 well said. I look at Captain Jack sparrow who's very alien, but damn he is soo interesting and funny :) all the best :)

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

Cheers!

[@darnielarnold9298]

This will be great! James Bond icon David Zaritsky and my favourite Bond analyst discussing "Whose Bond is it, anyway?" This sounds quite promissing! 😊👍 🔫📡💎⌚🍸

[@Paul_Whaley]

Wonderful video, with a lot going on! My first Bond films were Roger films, watched in VHS in the 1990s. My dad was (and still is) a big Moore fan. I think it was Moonraker, but I truthfully have no nostalgia for it. Hell, it's near the bottom of my ranking. The first one that I saw in theaters was DAD, when I was pretty young. That's also a bit of a stinker, but as I've gotten older, I can appreciate how goofy it is. I don't have "my" Bond, but rather appreciate all of the actors over the eras. They all made films that I like and dislike (for the most part), and I can always find something good in every film (even AVTAK). I'm with David for Bond 26. I have no concerns or worries about what's gonna come out, and it'll happen when it happens. I also agree about the tone deafness of a lot of studios, who make media for an audience that likely does not exist, or at least only exists in extremely small numbers. NTTD is a film that I love. It ranks VERY highly for me, even with the breach of contract that you talked about. I love the look and feel of the film, and while the main baddie is kind of bland, the actual "Bond plot" is something that I love. With NTTD's Bond being a bit more grounded, I have a specific view on it. It's about a burned-out Bond. He found the love of his life (which I think NTTD sets up better than Spectre did), and after her apparent betrayal, he quits his job fully, and goes off to be alone. We get snippets of the hedonistic character in the Jamaica segments, but he's still a man that found love, and is still hurt by it. I think that's part of the feel of Bond not wanting Paloma to look at him while he changes. Hey, it's at least my headcannon. For me (at age 29), the cinematic Bond is like a modern day Robin Hood. I view the character as one that goes on adventures, and sometimes they are strung together (like the Craig era), and sometimes they are not. Him dying in NTTD is just a thing that can happen in one specific arc, and if done well, can work fine. I've never had any issues with Bond's death, but I get the kickback from it. As always, thanks for the video Ryan. It's great to see you and David together, such a thoughtful combination of minds!

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

Cheers, Paul. Thank you for such a thoughtful response!

[@jbjones07]

When I was a pre-teen, Bond films were a kind of forbidden fruit; I wasn't always allowed to watch them, especially around my mom, because of the "sex scenes," lol. Even when they aired on ABC back in the 80s and early 90s, there was a "viewer's discretion" advisory before each movie aired. Mom and Dad eventually relented as I got older. Like David, Superman is also my favorite superhero, and I was (and still am) a HUGE fan of Chris Reeve's version. I didn't know there were other actors who had played Supes, so Chris was the only Man of Steel in my mind, until I saw George Reeves' iteration at age 6. That older version broadened my perception of who Superman is and who he could be. Made me realize that there could be different versions, as long as the core identifiable character traits are there. So I can understand where you guys are coming from. I do have to push back on David's POV on Daniel Craig's personality occasionally poking into his performance in NTTD. I'd argue that just about ALL of the Bond actors who've played him have had some non-Bond ticks come into their performances. Roger Moore, for instance, could at times double down on his own signature cheeky verbal levity in some of his scenes. Sure, it's always been a cinematic staple since the 60s, but Roger definitely and notably leans into it moreso than his predecessors (ex: Bond and Anya's sparring while Jaws tries to destroy the van in TSWLM, lol). And may the numbers of proud fellow Daltonites continue to grow🤵🏾

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

Good point about Sir Rog!

[@Daltonis007]

Excellent discussion, gents. Very much agree with David’s take on Craig’s Bond in NTTD - but am with Ryan in the sense that it doesn’t bother me that much.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

Cheers!

[@TheBondReport]

Great discussion, love the ending notes and the generational question. Could be something that impacts us, could be something that isn’t given a second thought 20mins into Bond 26. Either way I’m excited to find out with you.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

Into the unknown we go!

[@philipgreen8227]

David brings up some good points about Craig in no time to die which I hadn't thought about 🤔

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

I'll be paying attention the next time I watch NTTD.

[@yestoadventure007]

I still like NTTD. However, David brings up a very salient point which may knock it down for me in that Daniel Craig bled too much into James Bond, where we were watching almost as much of Craig as we were watching Bond. He got too close and comfortable in the role so I guess it was right time for him to bow out. Great talk guys, thanks!

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

I will have to mull over David's point on my next rewatch.

[@Torment92121]

I cant remember a time where we as Bond fans were so obsessed with age and who Bond should be for.

[@andrewroberts299]

I can’t see that there will ever be a Bond 26 now. I might be wrong but I think that in Barbara Broccoli’s mind she’s finished Craig’s Bond arc and killed Bond off and for her that’s a good place to end the series. She’ll be 65 next year and her step brother, Michael G. Wilson will turn 83 next January! It wouldn’t surprise me if Wilson has already quietly retired from the Bond series now, and whilst his son Greg has been involved in some of the last few Bond productions, nobody seems to know if he’s going to step up and take over from his father, with or without Barbara. Would I watch Bond 26 if it was ever produced? Probably. But I’d be going in to the cinema dreading what I was about to watch, especially if it’s true that Barbara will make the next Bond more woke and have him get more in touch with his sensitive side, then that would finish the series for me! Bond is a cold hearted assassin - a Government’s blunt instrument who lives life on the edge. He works hard and plays hard and his vices are women, drink and gambling. Take all of that away from the character and you don’t have James Bond anymore. All you’re left with is a pale imitation of what he used to be, and if Bond fans can’t have Bond as he should be, then why have him at all? Casino Royale (2006) was the last great Bond film for me. Skyfall was a little bit better than the other Craig Bond films that came after CR, but in general I wasn’t a fan of Craig or his Bond character arc. So if there’s not going to be a Bond 26, I will have to live with that (as will every other Bond fan worldwide) but I’d still have 44 years (1962 - 2006) of previous Bond films to enjoy at home (or at the cinema if they get a special re release). If, however, there is a Bond 26, but it’s filled with more woke and more touchy feeling agendas than NTTD had, then it’ll be the last one I’d watch!

[@markhoare4733]

Absolutely spot on re DC / NTTD. As a stand alone movie, as closing the DC arc, it works. But it does nothing for the continuation of the franchise; it leaves huge problem, unless, unsaid, this is the end.

[@threat2015]

26:21 I definitely agree here. The decision of how they ended this film was Daniel Craig being selflish!

[@philipgreen8227]

David is spot on about good storytelling if that's in place the rest usually falls into place

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

True!

[@leemehdinur3766]

I hope both of you are auditioned to play the next James Bond!!

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

I won't speak for David, but I'm not up to the task! My impression of a British accent is atrocious.

[@phila3884]

James Bond gets away with murder, literally (and for this discussion, figuratively), and that's something that can be really entertaining, especially in this straight-jacket, nothing offensive world we've built for ourselves.

[@justinsanchez8918]

Asking David to talk about bond that's like asking if water is wet

[@angusmcmillan111]

My Bond fan journey started with the big Roger Moore epics like TSWLM and MR on TV, moved to the cinema for the Pierce Brosnan films from the age of 13 - 20, and then when I left university and got my first proper career job Casino Royale came out a couple of months later which felt more grown up and sophisticated. Now I just want some more fun again. So for me the next version of Bond needs to be a believable person, but in a fantasy but contemporary setting. Crossing my fingers that the first new era film arrives by the end of 2026 and we don't have to wait too long between then and B27 and B28. They shouldn't overthink it - just make a solid action and adventure film with a tangible danger Bond needs to resolve

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

I think we'll probably be waiting until 2027! But fingers crossed.

[@LucasBenderChannel]

You're right to ask the question because "the Bond audience" definetly doesn't exist. People come to these movies with many different levels of involvement, prior expectations and needs. That's not so much a generational divide and more a personality driven one, I believe. Either way, I imagine the most financially viable path forward would be what David alluded to: Making Bond a family franchise. Something fathers and mothers want to take their kids to and vice versa. A grab bag for everybody to find a treat in. Fun, thrilling, sexy, exciting. Basically Goldeneye? But the trap that lies therein, is making something too broad and unappealing. They *need* to have a singular vision. They'll need to find a director with a concrete concept of what their Bond should do, feel and act like. The movie should not just be a themepark ride, it should have a point. Not *make* a point - *have* a point. That is what makes art interesting to look at! Not lowest common denominator content, but a purpose and a reason to exist. I hope that whoever they hire understands that. I'd rather have someone take a big swing and miss, than not take a swing at all.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

I'm with ya - I'd rather have a "big swing" than a movie that was so safe it was the equivalent of reheated oatmeal.

[@DafyddBrooks]

I'm with you on that one. While I think the artists and actors behind the scenes need to have their own creative freedom, they shouldnt try and be too clever either . Its a hard one though , ha

[@LarryGoesWest-f9w]

The real James Bond didnt die in action (Sean to Pierce). Daniel Craig was only a reboot and not part of the original canon.

[@005-y8v]

@@LarryGoesWest-f9w well said! Craig is not canon! Pierce was the last Bond!

[@ChuckM0503]

Interesting take. There definitely is something about Craig's Bond that kind of puts him on an island away from the rest. What they were saying about Bond being this sort of bridge between generations, I don't feel like you really get that with Craig the more I think about it.

[@tmmartinesq.6216]

Good question. Depends when it finally releases at theater and who stars.

[@SharkWhosFondOfBond]

Maybe I should make Bond related content sometime... great video!

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

No time like the present!

[@anthonygray333]

They need to learn from Disney’s disastrous remaking of the Star Wars franchise. If you try to retool for a “modern audience” you lose the core fan base. Keep him classic and you will succeed. And I typed this just before David mentioned the same thing.

[@darnielarnold9298]

I like cinema, I like good actors and I like film score and music themes. Therefore I love James Bond. I enjoy all 25 movies. Call me lucky. I love the five Craig movies. 26 will be the test whether it stays that way. The James Bond film series - I do not look at it as a franchise - avoided many mistakes others made. [...] Nonetheless it stayed up to date and relevant over decades. Who can take on Indiana Jones from Harrison Ford? Who will be the next face of Mission Impossible? Even Star Wars struggles with follow ups. What will come after Robert Downey Jr.s Iron Man, Captain America, Thor etc? Did you like the George Clooney Batman? The Justice League? And which cut? James Bond. You hear the name, you see the style, you hear the music and it is Bond. There are so many people who love Bond. Filmmakers, actors, musicians, producers. I have trust it will work out again and be relevant and up to date.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

I agree with your optimism!

[@brenoramosmosso]

I would like to see Tom Kapinos collaborate on the script for a James Bond film. He is an American screenwriter who created Californication and Lucifer. There were subtle sexual tensions in Fleming's books that the films never had the courage to address. Sean Conery said in an interview with Playboy that James Bond was a sexy son of a bitch.

[@Mostirrelevant]

15:27 I am really enjoying discussion and lots of ideas that come to my mind. I have to somewhat oppose the idea of character as main driver of the plot, /s/he does not have to be, but then we talk about literary genres, art movies and, basically, exceptions to the story telling rules.

[@KimBailey-w2g]

And you’re right, David I’ve seen that, but Daniel Parks performance in no Time to die is that he bled his personal life into the performance and you cannot do that as for Timothy Dalton said in an interview a couple years ago to make a good actor you have to take your skin off and put on the character skin on you and mold yourself to that performance for that particular character that you were doing mess what is the crack into the performance of what Daniel Craig was doing in his last movie and you know when an agent of any kind is trying to press somebody for information if it is a woman and if that woman wants to see you getting dressed, I’m putting your suit on that you need to let her see it because if that is going to give you that information that you need and need to do your job and I guess he wasn’t

[@darrenharrison3591]

I doubt there will be new Bond film. I hope I am wrong.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

That seems overly cynical to me!

[@SUK2293]

Every Bond film - apart from DAD - is for dads.

[@dtc7844]

Great analysis Ryan. 100% agree with your take on No Time To Die. I really like the movie. I was totally fine with him being killed and having a child knowing that these things were hinted at in the Fleming books. I think they’ll probably never do that again so it’s nice to get it out of the producers system. I love Daniel Craig’s tenure as Bond since it’s different from the others. Variety is the spice of life. I’m excited and nervous to see what direction they going next.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

I agree. I like variety!

[@BruceBanner-eg8vs]

Watching the Daniel Craig moves it seems his portrayal of the character got dourer and more unemotive as the movies progressed. Maybe this was intentional in order to show character arc, as in the character becoming more resigned and deadened by his line of work? Certainly, the novels seemed to head that way and Anthony Horowitz's excellent 3 books had that happen in his last book, becoming more akin to The Spy Who Came in From The Cold.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

That Horowitz trilogy is really interesting. I should do a video on it!

[@005-y8v]

Timothy Dalton made James Bond , Daniel Craig killed James Bond!

[@KimBailey-w2g]

Yes, and you’re very right in my opinion, Dalton made a James Bond what he should’ve been from those books by Fleming from the cheesiness of Roger Moore era it’s just sad that in the 80s the audience were not ready for him is the right bond the wrong time for Craig give me a break when I first found out that he was cast for the role. I literally laughed and felt a series of dread coming from this decision out of eon productions, believe me I was right in the only reason why Casino Royale made any money is because of the long gap in waiting for a new bond movie to come crossed and they actually did something right they took Casino royale off the shelf. They read it and they duplicated it for a script. The rest of the movies are complete and utter crap quantum of solace it’s OK, but boring Skyfall the first hour of the movie shows me that bond is complete and utterly incompetent cannot even save his boss, which I think is one of his major jobs of being an MI6 agent I hated seeing the state of Skyfall, his family home I mean, give me a break, talk about a gloomy place, with no life in it whatsoever, and he just allows the bad guy to just blow went to Kingdom come talk about disrespect upon his family‘s legacy, and here comes specter don’t get me started on that then the final nail that hit the coffin for the Daniel Craig era is the last 15 minutes of that film was totally out of place and the ending was forced they even went against bond tradition to leave bond alive really talk about disrespect and Daniel Craig no matter how much he says he cared. He was only there for the money and that’s just my opinion.

[@005-y8v]

@@KimBailey-w2g they killed M, they killed Felix and then they killed Bond! 🤬

[@SharkWhosFondOfBond]

While I admittedly think Craig's great, he's definitely my least favourite Bond. Here's my ranking of the Bond actors, because I can't help myself 😂 6. Daniel Craig 5. George Lazenby (Underrated!) 4. Pierce Brosnan (Love Brosnan!) These top 3 are interchangeably amazing 3. Sean Connery 2. Timothy Dalton 1. Roger Moore

[@KimBailey-w2g]

@@005-y8v well you got a look at the culture that we live in now they don’t care and it is called woke. They take purple of the characters from our beloved franchises and then they turn them into something that they were not as for a reference look at the sequel trilogy of Star Wars, they turned Luke Han Leah, and the other characters that we hold dear into characters that we about their job is to destroy and remake in their image and this is what has happened to James Bond I don’t care all they want to do is to tear down and make it into their own image, which is sad, because at the end of the day, James Bond is part of a culture world wide

[@fmor4133]

@@KimBailey-w2g what bothers me is they take my childhood heros and make them depressiv or weak. Happens with Bond, with Colt in the Fall guy or Dalton in the Roadhouse remake. Not sure if its woke but in today's society it seems not well seen to be cool and successfull. Who are our kids look up to?

[@slamtilt01]

I know how I would resurrect Bond. I would have the death scene in No Time to Die play. Then have a quick cut ✂️ to a scene 🎬 at night in Bond’s London flat (Apartment) and have a shadowy Bond wake up from a bad dream. And hear him say “Whoa! What a nightmare”. He reaches over to his nightstand and grabs a glass of whiskey 🥃. You still don’t see Bond clearly yet. He then grabs a cigar from his Cuban cigar box and sparks it up with a zippo. Looks at his Omega moon swatch and says “Dammit The other fellow never did this.”. He leans forward towards camera in a purposeful 4th wall “Deadpool esque” break and taps his nose and winks to camera.

[@alexdas2000]

31:39 hahah😂

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

😅

[@fmor4133]

For me it started as family act even in the right sequence of the first 4 movies I guess by pure coincidence. After that it was the sequence of the TV program and not by sequence. I agree that I don't care where Bond26 is going but I draw the line at the franchise formula. The Craig era really pushed it. I rather have them than not have them but going back closer to the franchise formula is my wish. On NTTD while I agree with everything both of say content wise to me its one of the better Craig movies just as my previous statement the franchise formula was recongnizable again. Cars, Girls, Location, Q and Moneypenny. I'm fine with the death as it was obvious, there will be a re-start.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

Both SPECTRE and NO TIME TO DIE follow the formula more closely than the preceding films.

[@fmor4133]

@@AnalyzeThisMisterBond exactly, this is probably why I prefer them. I fully agree with David when he said I don't see Bond I see Craig but ironically I have that feeling with his first three way more than the latter two.

[@jedsithor]

After the way the last one ended, I think they need to go right back to the start. Back to the 50's. Start at the very end of WW2, with young Bond behind enemies lines on some sort of espionage mission. The kind of mission Fleming sent operatives on. That's the gun barrel sequence. The war ends, Bond struggles to adjust to civilian life but his old handler tracks him down and recruits him into the Double O programme. And we're off to the races. Make it a period piece. Killing Bond has opened up an opportunity to do something different. We don't have to just go all On Her Majesty's Secret Service and have a wink to the camera about what happened to the last guy.

[@mohammedashian8094]

That’s an interesting idea. The question is does the audience want that and is it marketable? (because that’s unfortunately what it is all about). because I’ve lately come to think of bond as not exactly a spy in the TRADITIONAL sense but rather a special ops type of guy. I’ve read a good book titled “Ian Fleming’s war” (which talks about his time during the war) and in the introduction it says that he’s more akin to the S.O.E’s assassination and sabotage rather than MI6’s intelligence gathering which does make more sense when you think about it. Let’s not forget his commando unit that he created 30AU. Plus Fleming had come across the SOE a lot more than SIS.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

I am generally against Bond becoming a period piece, but that's only because we have only one film series. In an ideal world, we'd have a Bond movie in the present day, and a BBC miniseries covering Fleming's Bond in his original setting.

[@mohammedashian8094]

@@AnalyzeThisMisterBond that’s one thing I always say if it was to be a period piece then it’s better to make it a tv series completely separate from the film franchise (so they can both be their own thing and not have to worry about being connected or continuity). But it would be interesting to see how it turns out right?

[@mohammedashian8094]

David hit it right on the head. I don’t go to see any of the actors I go to see JAMES BOND. I don’t want to see their personality seep into the character so much so that it feels out of character. For example, a lot of people say Dalton was ACTING it rather than enjoying it (like it’s a bad thing). But I l loved it because Dalton irl doesn’t share any similarities with bond but that’s exactly the point of acting. You take your skin off and put on the skin of the character. Now I don’t have anything against Roger but I just CAN’T stand his version (I’m not saying he’s bad I just don’t like his version because the bond that I read in Fleming’s books) and it seems to me that he’s playing himself. I also found him to be much better as Simon “The saint” Templar.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

I don't feel the same way about Roger that you do, but I understand *why* you feel that way.

[@mohammedashian8094]

@@AnalyzeThisMisterBond good to know.

[@arshdhadwal3408]

Honestly, I appreciate NTTD so much for really swinging for the fences. Not everything it attempted worked, but it’s got so much good stuff going for it, that I have a really soft spot for it. I appreciate the classics as much as anyone, but I want them to reflect our modern day world rather than just doing the same stuff again and again. People get mad about killing off Bond, but I think adaptation and creative liberties can be good. Art doesn’t need to remain static. Even Arthur Conan Doyle killed off Sherlock. Craig’s Bond was an interesting journey, and in hindsight there’s stuff that should have been better planned, more connective tissue, more adventures, but it still wound up a pretty great set of films. Shifting out of the cold war into the war on terror is a good choice. Having Bond deal with modern day problems and reflect modern day society isn’t a bad thing. The problems a British agent would deal with today would be different than what previous iterations would deal with, especially if he’s in his 30s. I do appreciate David’s POV about Bond being a good shared point between fathers and sons as an adventure film icon. Same with characters like Indiana Jones, Spider-Man, etc.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

Bond does seem to be a strong "rite of passage" thing.

[@erickortiz6806]

The late ted bell with his lord hawke has more of a updated bond hes ex navy pilot ljves in a villa in bermuda hangs out in miami

[@gunsort3242]

Let's remake all of the Moore titles as real spy adventures. That was a lost period for me and it actually started with the last Connery film. I hated the entire self-parody of that era with Moonraker being one of the worst films ever made. My suggestion; Do the Fleming books in order during the period in which the were released. Maybe they would be better for streaming in that fashion doing 2 books or 1 book and some short stories per 8 or 10 episode season. It would be epic.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

I really like Moonraker and think it's one of the better Bond films, but would still love a version faithful to Fleming.

[@gunsort3242]

​@AnalyzeThisMisterBond I understand that the generation that grew up with the Moore Bond movies have an affection for them. I grew up with Dr. No and then reading the books. We waited for the Next Bond movies to come out and were rewarded with From Russia With Love and Goldfinger. The franchise started going off the rails with Thunderball with the big set piece underwater battle. Things went completely into fantasy land with You Only Live Twice. Entertaining but not really Bond. Connery's character had devolved into a cartoon version of Bond. O was thrilled with the course correction of OHMSS. Probably my favorite Bond movie. Unfortunately, the studio didn't make the return they expected and went further into self-parody with the subsequent films. I didn't watch another Bond film in theaters until the Dalton films when they decided apparently decided to stop making cartoons. I always liked Roger Moore BTW. I just hated what was done to the character and the world of Bond. Thanks for the conversation.

[@staceywarwick551]

Agree what is being said about the "mythical audience" that is fathomed to be need catered to.

[@peteryttergren6118]

Great conversation. Bond'll be fine as long as they don't cater to anything woke. Bond should NOT be social commentary. It should continue to be (parts of NTTD not included) entertainment and escapism. If I hear the words mis- or disinformation, fact-check or anything in that realm in a Bond movie I'll be sick.

[@KimBailey-w2g]

I mean, I have a idea David why don’t they take the five actors that are going to play bond and have like a voting system for the fans to vote on who they want to play James Bond for the next generation 26 you with all that down to three and they vote again and then you have two and then you have one like voting in a presidential election. Let the fans dictate who they want James Bond to play. That’s just my opinion and I would vote if they would give me five candidates that would fit the profile of what bond should be in the books just in my opinion what is your opinion on that? Do you think it could work within the Bond community?

[@JohnDoe-tm9wz]

Maybe Bond 26 will change the tone and be more stylish, tongue-in-cheek, period piece.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

I don't know if they'll ever do a period piece, but a bit of tongue-in-cheek would be great.

[@richardweddle3408]

13-minutes in -- Bond has always been the hero. Daniel Craig is the only actor to play him as an anti-hero. EON changed Bond's DNA for Craig, if you analyze him.

[@mohammedashian8094]

Actually he’s been an anti hero since he was created. Craig turned him into a depressed emo who is suddenly a family man (like what?)

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

I'd argue DR. NO presents Bond very much as an anti-hero (and have a video on that!).

[@fabriziocamisani5477]

I think Dalton fell short in two of the basic requirements for a Bond actor, while he is certainly a good actor and tried to inject some sense of reality into Bond, steering away from the Moore's years campness, he was neither the guy, men want to be, nor the man, women want to be with. While Brosnan and Moore were annoyingly good looking and had women salivating, without losing entirely the male audience, while Connery, Craig and even Lazenby for all his acting shortcomings, exuded presence and masculinity, still keeping the female audiences interested, Dalton was a bit ''Meh'' in both camps. Bond is a female fantasy as much as a male one, several boxes need to be checked when casting the actor and Dalton never quite cut it IMO. I also have some reservations with the two most talked about candidates; Cavill and Taylor Johnson, the former certainly fits the part but he would be an extremely safe choice, and I have to wonder whether he could bring something interesting to the table, I am beginning to doubt it, the latter is also interesting but I find his voice appalling, he sounds like Beckham on helium and I don't see how he could deliver the iconic, 'Bond, James Bond' line and be talen seriously. Craig really was a left field choice but whoever really picked him, whoever saw his movies and thought that guy could be James Bond is nothing short of a genius.

[@sortehuse]

Artistic and entertaining isn't two opposite, a movie can be both artistic and entertaining or neither artistic or entertaining. Steven Spielberg, Ridley Scott, Quentin Tarantino and Christopher Nolan are examples of directors that can make artistic movie that are very entertaining. I don't really think that the new Star Wars movies where that artistic by the way.

[@AnalyzeThisMisterBond]

I agree that art and entertainment not necessarily opposed to one another!

[@nikolaiquack8548]

I have a problem with David saying Bond films shouldn't be "over-artistic". Feels pretty anti-art to me. And yes, Bond films have always been entertainment and escapism more so than art, I'm not arguing the opposite. But some of the best Bond films imo have a better balance between the two. If movies only entertain, they're like a cheap fast food meal. Satisfying in the moment, but leaving little of an impression.

[@Smileyman00]

Last week I watched“ the Rock” with Sean Connery after many years. In my opinion its definitly a Bond movie. So chronology wise its nr 18 Bond movie. Oke , its not a EON production, but does it has to be? Bond is a fictional person invented by Ian Fleming. Bond is beyond everything. So according to me we wait now for “ Bond 27”🤵‍♂️

[@danielscott8180]

Great discussion about what is and what isn't James Bond. I generally disagree with David, but he did offer an astute critique of Bond in NTTD. And I think this raises a legitimate issue about where Bond might go in Bond 26. Bond should not double down on the "Mister Nice Guy" and "family man" Bond from NTTD. But I do agree with Ryan that NTTD was a great way to end Craig's arc, and lets not forget that Bond has fallen in love and has gotten married, and has quit MI6 in the past. NTTD just offers us a reversal of OHMSS in which his bride died. This time he died. Even Fleming tried to kill him off at the end of FRWL. There are worrying comments, however, from Barbara Broccoli. She has said that Bond's attitudes towards women need to improve more, even more than what we saw in NTTD. This would be a mistake. And would be akin to turning Bond into the Boy Scout that we see, not in Superman, but in the form of the rather bland Bond clone that is Ethan Hunt in Mission: Impossible. Personally, I feel Bond 26 should go a couple of shades darker than Craig. Let's drop the rogue agent and the romantic angle of Craig's tenure, and double down on Fleming's idea that Bond is a reflection of the villain and the villain is a dark mirror of Bond. The comics embrace this idea more, making the idea that Bond and the villain share traits more obvious. Bond's cold blooded killing, womanising and some unsavoury moments have always been present in the films, even in Moore's run, but they're overshadowed with humour, which today looks more like condoning bad behaviour than trying to be tongue and cheek. Audiences have evolved and point out these rather anachronistic portrayals. But it's not that Bond being an anti-hero is a problem, it's that those traits should be presented in a more gritty, hard-edged manner and pose the following questions: is this the type of person we need to combat a psychopath? Do we in fact need an agent that possesses similar traits as the villain to defeat the villain? Do we need a character who uses the villain's own methods against him/her? This is already implicit in the character, even shown in scenes in the more light-hearted Bond films like Bond using the villains cheating against him to win a card game etc or even his own weapons against him in the final moments. Now is the time to not try and hide or bury these traits with humour. A clever writer and filmmaker can make an audience wonder why they still like a character like this. Craig's Bond--at least in the first two films--was a bridge to this darker portrayal. Maybe get Warren Ellis as screenwriter for Bond 26.