Bond Goes to Space - Moonraker (1979) || From Rewatch with Love Ep12

The Bond film that asks you suspend your disbelief so high in the air that it takes up orbit, Moonraker was a box-office barnstormer... but do Graham & Matt think it's actually any good? Let's find out!
Episode 12 - Moonraker (1979)
Graham & Matt are here to talk about the first blockbuster film franchise! It's Bond... James Bond, as we lead up to the release of the 25th Bond movie, with this rewatch podcast full of our thoughts on the series and plenty of trivia!
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[@EvilDrReef]

Richard Kiel was such a nice guy. I met him at a convention several years back. While I was in line, I started telling my wife the quote from this movie where Holly asks if Bond knows Jaws, and Bond says, "Not socially. His name's Jaws. He kills people." And as soon as I started telling her, Richard Kiel interrupted and finished the story for me. He was so excited and really seemed to absolutely love his time as Jaws. I got a great picture with him where he looked like he was crushing my skull. I came back later when there was no line, and he was so happy to talk about his favorite parts of filming and hanging out with Roger Moore. He was such a cool dude.

[@nightwishfan60]

Also met him at a con not long before he passed, me and my friend were the last two to see him and we had a/nice chat with him and talked about things to do in the area, genuinely lovely guy.

[@MrDash03]

He was great in Happy Gilmore

[@TheWAYF]

Please don't apologize for your Droopy-Dog-as-Hugo-Drax impression, because I died every single time you did it.

[@Yora21]

And as the phrase goes: "It's funny 'cause it's true."

[@karlkarlos3545]

And so did Michael Lonsdale apparently. RIP.

[@JedidiahRose1]

It was outstanding and I will forever be changed now as to how I watch this film going forward.

[@Gnumanfan101]

I came back here specifically for the Droopy Drax

[@Yora21]

When he described the girl coming to rescue Jaws and smiling at him, I absolutely was mentally adding "wearing braces". I've don't even recall anyone ever having talked about it. It's just something that feels like it's completely obvious based on the rest of the character design.

[@BigDaddyBland87]

I haven't seen this movie in years, and if you had asked me to describe her, I would have mentioned braces. It didn't even occur to me she didn't have them until Graham mentioned it.

[@torstikinnunen3801]

Even now after watching the video and seeing the picture in it I have to keep reminding myself that she does not have braces.

[@AnchorJG]

It seems that I, too, am from the bracers universe.

[@gnyrinn]

Not only am I from the braces universe, I was certain that the billboard, that the gurney crashed through, was advertising BOAC. Even though I’ve looked it up and BOAC and BEA had merged into BA 7 years before this movie was made, I remember discussing BOAC with my father and brother, while watching this movie in the late 90s.

[@Scrizati]

Before Graham even began his Mandela effect tangent I was certain she had braces, I'm shook

[@thresherGnat]

90% of all the villains before Moonraker: We can't kill this guy who is about to blow the lid on our operation because it will make the British suspicious. Drax: A guy vaguely curious about my connection to a missing rocket? Kill him!

[@empath69]

See, Hugo Drax studied SPECTRE's exploits over the years, and Stromberg's (probably a fan, since he's got the same 'reboot humanity' plan) and knows this 'wait and see' strategy *HAS NEVER WORKED* , so what the hell has he got to lose? Grabbing MI6's attention and ANOTHER agent being sent to start investigation from scratch? Can't be worse than 0.000 batting percentage the 'play it cool' method has had. :D

[@steelfox13]

The Droopy Dog quotes have me ROLLING!

[@GreatgoatonFire]

I remember be SUPER happy with Jaws face turn in this movie as a kid watching this movie.

[@havcola6983]

Regarding the Mandela effect of Dolly's bracers: It doesn't help that Richard Kiel ("Jaws") was in a VISA commercial that ends with a blonde girl WITH bracers smiling at him. The scene (kinda, she's a cashier and he actually doesn't have the teeth in this one) exists the way people remember it, it's just not in the film.

[@loadingreadyrun]

OH HO! I think you may have cracked this thing wide open!!

[@empath69]

OMG! You're RIGHT! That was the thing - you didn't have to do many movies after such an iconic role...beacuse you'd be too busy doing tv commercials cashing in on the 'tie-in'

[@josephdanieljirehdimacali4418]

Yes its indeed on a commercial. People might have misremember and confuse those 2 together. Me in my first 2 viewing I once think she has a brace due to Nickolodean cartoon character that has the same design but this time the girl has a brace. Didnt notice she had no brace in my 3rd viewing due to Bond Marathon in anticipation of Casino Royale.

[@OuterGalaxyLounge]

Case closed.

[@martinrenner2992]

I saw Moonraker twice in a theatre in 1979. I remember distinctly Dolly smiling with braces. The whole audience cracked up. We never had that visa commercial here.

[@alexuboldi7135]

Oh god.... Oh god Dolly didn't have braces? It's too early in the morning to have my entire world view shaken...

[@Simsystwistedmind]

Not stirred?

[@marcjohnston4271]

Whoa - I was convinced she had braces too!

[@thecoolerrats7144]

I remember braces too, even before the “prompting” I was excited for when they were going to get to the braces.

[@RecklessFables]

Wait, wut?

[@troybadoo]

She definitely had braces, that was why they both were attracted to each other to begin with, they had that in common. It was a big reveal.....!

[@Billis75]

"and I will forego doing the voice." Firstly, how dare you.

[@books.reviews.pelhamhardim9758]

Moonrakers, drunk people trying to rake reflection of the moon from a pond - Wiltshire, England UK, goes back centuries. I had a Moonraker tie in the early 70s - lots of little men raking the moon from a pond.

[@havcola6983]

I heard a different version: Some smugglers were caught by law enforcement using rakes to retrieve contraband barrels of brandy hidden in a pond. When challenged about what they were doing they played drunk and stupid and pointed to the reflection of the moon, saying they were trying to catch the big cheese, whereupon the lawmen laughed at them and left.

[@TurbosTantrums]

I'd heard a version where the villagers are actually hiding their moonshine in the pond and the magistrate appears while they're trying to fish it out, and that was the excuse they gave.

[@InquisitorJL]

A wikipage on it en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonrakers

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

Huh, holy crap, my dads always told me this, particularly referring to people from Warminster (wiltshire town). I always presumed it was generally referring to people from 'the next town over' countrywide.

[@Srock8994]

Man I had forgotten how much I loved James Bond until rewatching along with the podcast

[@Yora21]

I've recently watched similar streams about some of the better Star Trek movies. There are so many amazing old movies (even when they are goofy) that still entertain greatly in these times of unimaginative assembly line movies.

[@Srock8994]

Yora oh lit, can you let me know where to find those Star Trek videos?

[@Yora21]

@@Srock8994 It's "Discussing Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan with Nerdrotic" by The Critical Drinker. (And Star Trek IV - The Undiscovered Country.) I think he also wants to do The Search For Spock at some point.

[@saiconjr]

I have been fortunate enough to not only go to Venice, not only be in St. Mark's Square, but to perform in the cathedral with my University's orchestra some 8 years ago. That tour in Italy was one of the biggest highlights of my life. This is my interaction for the KZbin algorithm.

[@TevorTheThird]

Mind blown. I'm literally sitting there thinking "Oh yeah, the part with the dumb braces joke" only for Graham moments later explaining I'm a crazy person. That's wild. I saw Moonraker once on cable 20 years ago, have no strong connection to this franchise (love the show btw) so never heard of this controversy. And my instant reaction to Dolly being brought up here was "Jaws' girlfriend with braces". Spooky. They, somehow, got me.

[@punkrockzoologist9449]

The thing for me with the character of Dolly with Jaws was that she wears glasses and Jaws has his artificial teeth, so both of them are "physically imperfect" by Drax's standards, so therefore neither of them would fit in his new world.

[@danniluxgarbe429]

From what I remember of Moonraker, she's also enormously strong as she freed Jaws from under the flywheel in the Gondola's engine room, implying that it was too heavy for Jaws to lift, but the two of them together tossed it like styrofoam. Yes, I know that's probably because it WAS styrofoam IRL, but they left that cut in.

[@flannelshirtenthusiast4159]

Alright, James Bond in Space. Let's get WEEEEIIIRRD!

[@DanielSolis]

I don't even like James Bond movies, but I love trivia and this is a big blind spot in my repertoire. You make learning about these flicks very entertaining. Thank you!

[@spyboy1964]

The design of the space shuttle was known to the general public due to the space shuttle enterprise. It was built in 1976 and was the prototype for the others that would follow. It wasn't capable of going into orbit but was used extensively for approach and landing test that were covered by the news media. The test would have the shuttle attached to a Boeing 747, and then while in midair detach from it and land on its own. These test were shown on television during that time period quite often, I know, because I saw them as a child. P.S.- the prototype was named enterprise due to a letter writing campaign by Star Trek fans.

[@spyone4828]

This is pretty much what I wanted to say. I even had a die-cast toy that was a 747 with a detachable shuttle on it. (The 747 continued to be used to carry shuttles that had landed at Edwards Air Force Base back to Cape Canaveral.)

[@Pietervt]

Correct. First flight was August 12 1977, so no surprises. 😉

[@VAB0L0]

The amount of Droopy Dog impressions in my life has gone up astronomically since I've watched Ben wheeler's MtG streams with LRR and this episode of FRWL, and I'm not complaining!

[@OniSquirrel]

VAB0L0 just to throw another one your way Graham has an all time great droopy moment in Sidewalk Slam. I forget the episode, but the podcast just stops because Graham and Adam fall apart for a few minutes.

[@diegodoumecq5144]

When I heard the name Goodhead I immediately thought it was gonna be a woman... I'm sure Bond would have caught up at this point that overtly sexual names are only used for the women around him

[@Activated_Complex]

That impression has my sides aching. “Afternoon tea. May I press you to a cucumber sandwich?”

[@karfsma778]

Let's Rake This Moon

[@wendigo2064ify]

fun little imported villa fact -- though Drax's villa is not imported from france to california, there is a tuscan castle in napa valley -- castello di Amorosa -- that was, in fact, imported brick by brick from europe by Dario Sattui. He even sounds like a bond villain (the family has a wine empire).

[@havcola6983]

See, I can understand importing a castle. The guy who imported the London Bridge to Arizona I'll never understand.

[@bobdole4694]

@@havcola6983 Technically; it was the outer stone block cladding and fixtures etc. The underlying structure is mostly American Concrete. As such: It was reasonably practical to pack up and ship through the Panama Canal and onto to Long Beach, CA. For a modest investment: Robert McCulloch sold all the land plots around it to developers on the back of the utility and niche concept. Lake Havasu city is a thriving urban area today as a result. The tourist income is appreciated by the city too I am sure. The photos of Lake Havasu on the bridge's article then and now are truly night and day in comparison: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Bridge_(Lake_Havasu_City)

[@hunterrose8019]

Most of Hearst's San Simeon was imported.

[@JustDiptych]

Not to be confused with the Bond villain who also played a Californian vintner! (Donald Pleasance as Adrian Carsini in an episode of Columbo.)

[@spinebustertee]

My best friend and I have started watching these a day or two before the podcast hits and it is really nice. Thank you for this great podcast, y'all.

[@Ranakel]

I'm only at 28 minutes into the video, and I wonder how pleased or mad I'd be if the rest of the two hours of this podcast is just droopy imitations.

[@mberryman7720]

This was absolutely my favourite James Bond as a kid. many years later I watched it again with family and we just spent the entire time cracking jokes about it. it is a ridiculous plot, but so much fun.

[@ThatGuyW3s]

Good lord what I wouldn't give for Jaws to show up partway through a modern Bond movie to save his ass and be like, "Sup"

[@empath69]

EXACTLY, after that 'heel-face turn', I was so hoping for a later Bond film to have him suddenly come in like the cavalry and bail Bond out of an overwhelming fight, give him a smile and wave, and then leave. Maybe the 'Dolly has braces' universe has that happen...

[@brossjackson]

You guys are ignoring the fact that "Barb Wire" with Pamela Anderson is technically a remake of "Casablanca". Also, I was in the midst of posting about Tchaikovsky when you corrected it.

[@FFKonoko]

Ah yes. "Don't call me babe, one more time, Sam"

[@TheCybrarian]

Yes, i was going to point this out too...It is dreadful.

[@effsinthechat1766]

The first Bond movie I saw at the cinema at the ripe old age of nine. Good memories

[@deltoran11]

Ah good, my designated Monday morning entertainment

[@wisemanlabs]

Ah good, my designated Monday evening entertainment (London time)

[@tarultoyarto]

Every holiday season when I was a kid, at least one channel would have a James Bond marathon and my Dad leave it on all day. That's how I consumed James Bond most of my life. The entire Roger Moore era just blends together to me. It's just a montage of action setpieces and villain monologues to me, and I never remember which part came from which movie or how any of them are connected. The re-watch podcast has been wild, because I would have told you last week that I'd never seen Moonraker, but I definitely remember half these scenes.

[@henrimichelpierreplana4332]

Yes first flight of a space shuttle was in 1981, BUT, already in 1977, the Enterprise shuttle was doing atmospheric testing on the back of 747, as quite correctly shown in Moonraker.

[@kettle_of_chris]

I was looking for this comment - thank you for pointing that out...and thanks to Discovery WINGS circa 1989-1992

[@empath69]

Funny story about the 'fizzle' of the theme - Johnny Mathis was going to do the vocals, and after starting recording with John Barry, was unable to complete work for an unexplained reason (illness?), and Shirley Bassey was called in at the last minute (just a few weeks from the film's scheduled premiere) and it being rushed (Bassey going on record as saying she never felt like the song "was her own" - probably didn't have time to get comfortable with it?) likely had an effect on it's effect on audiences.

[@menkomonty]

A fun fact about Christopher Wood is that he is the guy who wrote a series of books called Confessions of... which was a series of comedy eroticas that became a film franchise in the 70s. And starring in these films was an actor called Anthony Booth, who's daughter married former British Prime Minister, Tony Blair. Also, two of the books were adapted into a sort of spin-off film franchise called Adventures of... starred an actor/musician called Christopher Neil who ended up producing music for singers such as Celine Dion, Shakin Stevens and Sheena Easton, and helped produce the For Your Eyes Only song.

[@blofeld39]

And Wood got involved with Bond through working with Gilbert on a previous film, I think something involving Japan?

[@EricChoiniere]

I thought the thumbnail showed Andre the Giant, so I googled "Andre the Giant James Bond". Fun fact: it led to Richard Kiel, the actual actor.

[@o0SKRen0o]

*Sees funeral gondola* Me: "Oh, who's is it?" Gondola Driver: "Yours!" First thing that came to mind.

[@RobJaskula]

In the whole buildup to the braces discussion I was thinking "oh yeah, the girl Jaws falls in love with because of her braces!" and I've watched the movie within the last two years. Damn.

[@FFKonoko]

Jaws isn't that shallow. He sees the braces on the inside.

[@empath69]

(It's a little late, but there's a VISA commercial Richard Kiel did around the time - the intimidated cashier befriends him because she smiles and SHE has braces (even though it was Richard and not his character 'Jaws' so he didn't have The Teeth) - THAT seems to be where we're remembering 'she has braces' from. Hope this helps!)

[@RobJaskula]

@@empath69 ahh that could very well be it! Cheers

[@michellee1190]

So at one point my boyfriend asked me if I am from the BarenSTEEN Bears universe or BarenSTANE Bears universe... My answer is “BarenSTINE” Bears.

[@JoaoPessoa86]

*THE MULTIVERSE IS EXPANDING!!*

[@karabenomar]

I thought it weas Beareinstein Beers

[@steelfox13]

I clearly remember her having braces too! That was the shot of her smiling at Jaws and he smiles back!

[@Skiplives]

Eric Daines I do too. I expect that the white in her teeth was just blown out on the screens we were watching at the time, and we all assumed that she had braces, because of course she should.

[@AnchorJG]

yeah I guess it was just exceptionally bright teeth the whole time.

[@Aiijuin]

She didn’t have braces?!? Holy crap! I’ve watched Moonraker over 20+ times since I was a kid in the 80s and 90s... I always thought that she had them too! It had to be the visuals of the lesser quality on my VCR tape and the old Panasonic TVs of the time. As I read down through these comments, I honestly had a “Luke Skywalker finds out Vader” is his father moment. (Okay, maybe not that over dramatic, but - damn - my brain still clearly sees Jaws blonde girlfriend with braces as she smiles back at him.)

[@johnashley327]

I was 13 when I saw it and remember Dolly having braces. I'm blown away that she didn't.

[@zmajodnocaja5088]

No you don't. You think you remember.

[@DuncanEllis]

on the definition of "moonraker": the meaning I know is from Cornwall, and is someone who says they are trying to catch the reflection of the moon in a net. However, the description I read said that this was a ruse for wreckers to keep an eye out for likely looking ships that they could lure onto the rocks to loot. I should say that I don't have a citation for this. I am just repeating stuff I read in the 80s.

[@DuncanEllis]

and yes, I did pause the podcast to make that comment.

[@JivanPal]

Also paused to make a similar comment; "moonraker" in the sense of "fool" comes from a story about some Wiltshire folk who, when caught trying to retrieve smuggled goods from a lake, played dumb by claiming that they were actually trying to pull out the reflection of the moon. It is thus also used more generally as a slang term for people from Wiltshire, in a similar manner as "scouser" is used for those from Liverpool. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonrakers

[@Bojack727]

I really wanna thank you guys for these amazing reviews of the Bond Films- with so much insight into the artistic and technical work that went into them. This one in particular has given me greater appreciation for this movie.

[@confracto]

please don't ever apologize for doing that voice, it was the BEST PART.

[@chifii]

This is literally the end goal of Jimmy Bond in Casino Royale.

[@Skyfox94]

This podcast is so much better with visuals. I love it. Big props to the editor, you sir have an amazing sense of humour. I've gone through most of the episodes by now and the pictures in the video are on point.

[@slakingfool]

Fun fact: In 1980, Charles Bronson starred in a distant remake of 'Casablanca' titled 'Caboblano' (subtle) which was described as a "witless spoof of Casablanca which seems to have been cobbled together from a half-finished negative." [1:04:52]

[@johnhoppin7928]

I love how intentionally ridiculous this movie is. It's kind of perfect in its own way.

[@confracto]

I'm truck by the weird timing, watching Jaws bite through this cable car cable, with the news that last night someone cut the cable of the Sea to Sky Gondola, for a second time in a year!

[@wiggins_tv]

it's bizarre! someone really hates that gondola!

[@confracto]

@@wiggins_tv this is what happens when last week (to us viewers) you guys suggested the idea of Jaws coming back in current films! Look what you've done! ;)

[@empath69]

@@confracto Calm down, Richard Kiel's been dead for 6 years now.

[@confracto]

@@empath69 I did not know that, and now I can't calm down because I'm sad.

[@YirbyBond00Y]

Considering there might be another gondola being built for Simon Fraser University, that's a terrifying thought to have

[@ThatGuyW3s]

Aww, Matt's breaking my heart, For Your Eyes Only is my favourite Roger Moore JB.

[@ToRevelia]

I don't know if anyone has pointed out that Rio is known for its Carnival celebration, which is probably what is supposed to be depicted in the movie, and not Mardi Gras, which is more well known to be in New Orleans?

[@arrgghh1555]

It's the same thing.

[@KirbytronicWouldLiketoBattle]

Really enjoy this podcast being part of my Monday "maintaining sanity". I will admit I 100% thought she had braces. I 100% do not remember any other part of this movie, so maybe I only watched an edited thing? Or I wonder if there's a specific movie we're crossing over with? My brain jumps to the scene in Rat Race, but I don't know if that's the actual crossover? Hm....

[@99wattr89]

This movie should have been told entirely from the perspective of Jaws, fight me.

[@nothri]

That would never work. This movie takes place in space. Jaws lives in the ocean!

[@99wattr89]

@@nothri It's called a crossover!

[@paultownsley5521]

nothri I think he is talking about jaws from James Bond

[@nothri]

@@paultownsley5521 Well, sure, but if I acknowledge that I have to pass up the chance to be a smartass and that just aint happening.

[@99wattr89]

@@paultownsley5521 Who says we have to choose?

[@Aiijuin]

My brothers and I used to fast forward through the credits of Moonraker on our VCR. I just remember the girls flipping around in front of the moon at high speed. I honestly just remember the first line of the Moonraker song, “Where are you?” *BAM* fforward. And then the last letter of the last part of the song, “-EEEEEEEE!”

[@CountZeroOr]

There isn't a remake of Casablanca, but there is Overdrawn at the Memory Bank! (Also, minor correction, Spagetti Westerns, while having had Italian directors, were often shot in Spain, because Spain had the right terrain for it.

[@ggrarl]

"Here's looking at U Thant." "Here's looking at ubiquitous." "Here's looking at Ulysses."

[@TwilitLugia]

I found your brief comment about Octopussy interesting because other than the involvement of the circus. I don't find it to be that silly, especially by Roger Moore standards. We watched a lot of it growing up, because it is my dad's favorite Bond film, because of the geopolitical/ Cold War themes of it. the last time I watched it was a couple years ago, but now I'm curious when I re-watch it again if it will be sillier than I remember. Also, I consider The Spy who Loved Me and Moonraker to be the BioShocks of the the series. Stromberg wants to build an underwater utopia and Drax wants to build a utopia in above the clouds. Now you won't be able to unsee it.

[@Yora21]

I always remember Octopussy being my favorite. Growing up in Germany in the 80s probably plays a part in this. I think even the Circus is not actually silly, and Bond's disguise does make sense in context.

[@Haights]

49:44 Where did you come from, where did you go Where did you come from, Coffin Knife Joe

[@MarcusSheppard]

Graham wins the pronunciation wars this week with "Bassey". Bass like the fish, not musical bass. Ten points to Matt for "Also Sprach Zarathustra" though. Dead on!

[@GreatgoatonFire]

Barb Wire with Pamela Anderson is basically Casablanca Two. So get on that! =P

[@zacharyrichard3830]

Finally, the droopy dog episode that was spoiled earlier.

[@dhwwiiexpert]

Having not seen Moonraker, I didn't realize the Goldeneye Moonraker elite were supposed to be wearing crappy martial arts-styled padded helmets. If the film elite were wearing actual combat helmets they'd look so much better. It's the only thing preventing them from looking uniformly awesome.

[@benroberts2222]

You guys don't remember For Your Eyes Only? That's my favorite one! I can't wait for next week

[@Chasmodius]

On the Mandela thing, if you would have asked me before the discussion, I might have pulled out of my brain that the thing that was odd about Jaws' girlfriend is that she had braces? But I might just as easily have said that she was also super tall. I definitely remember to the pigtails, but not the glasses. I wonder if I'm getting her confused with an Austin Powers character? or maybe the government agent who was supposed to be Corbin Dallas' wife in the Fifth Element?

[@elkston]

"Henchman delivery service"....LOL. Yall killed me with that! Been having a blast listening to this series....

[@Bucketroo]

It's not Mardi Gras! This is Rio De Janeiro! It's Carnaval! I had not thought of Hugo Drax as Droopy Dog. I can't stop laughing!

[@TheAwnman]

Fun production story from Venice. To film in places like St Marks Square, they got permission for the various church bells of Venice that would otherwise disrupt shooting to be not rung while they were filming. Late one afternoon after a long day of shooting when they were trying to get the last few shots in before the light went, all of a sudden the bells started ringing, and not just one or two seemingly every bell in Venice. Lewis Gilbert the director, started yelling at the top of his lungs, "Will somebody shut those f***ing bells up" where upon he was told by someone that Pope John Paul I the former Patriarch of Venice had just died and that he was absolutely not going to get those bells stopped. Gilbert sheepishly agreed to end filming for the day.

[@Chasmodius]

I don't care that it's dumb, this is just a fun silly Bond movie.

[@empath69]

Exactly, this is why Bond movies are so entertaining and successful; they're outrageous fantasy and silly fun - some dashing derring-do and joyful escapism.

[@Yora21]

When Matt mentioned the music sounding like the Evangelion battle theme, I had to look up the 007 Theme. And even though I couldn't remember the Evangelion theme, I instantly knew why he made that connection. I then looked up the Evangelion Battle Theme ("Decisive Battle") for comparison and it absolutely is the same theme! different recording, slightly different arrangement, but it is the same. No ambiguity about that.

[@GreatgoatonFire]

Didn't the NGE crew get sued over that?

[@Yora21]

@@GreatgoatonFire Wouldn't surprise me. That production was famously low budget cutting corners anywhere they could.

[@GreatgoatonFire]

@@Yora21 To be fair, they use that song to fantastic effect. Snek hek it's used in SHIN Godzilla.

[@danniluxgarbe429]

There's even a video on youtube comparing the two ;)

[@TheCybrarian]

Loving Grahams silly voices for bond villains. With this, and the baddy that wants to 'live under the sea' last episode, i'd love to see a late-night-dub-fight 'Bond Edition'

[@lordmanimani-]

Matt's mental reconstruction of FYEO is exactly the same as my own--though I would have sworn blind that Dalton was in it

[@TheMrVengeance]

Ok, Matt G deserves a raise for the still frame at 1:07. Excellent. 👌🏻

[@KS-ui4hi]

More petitioning for a quirky henchmen teir list

[@Yora21]

Oh yes, please!

[@Voidhawk42]

Jaws has got to be number 1. Oddjob at 2.

[@jdrobertson42]

I’ve seen this more than any other Bond. It’s silly. I love it.

[@Xondar11223344]

My wife was incredibly creeped out by Jaws's giant paper mache giant clown. She even had a nightmare about it that night.

[@gina7288]

I had nightmares about the space battle the last time I saw it dreaming my husband was in it.

[@georgie1246]

@@gina7288 My girlfriend in the 80s had a nightmare about me and her dad being in it after we both said we would of screamed our heads off if we were hit and went spinning off into space.

[@gina7288]

@@georgie1246 Poor girl having a nightmare with her dad and boyfriend in it I just remember seeing my husbands face in a space helmet with terror etched on it and letting out an horrible scream that was after we watched it and he said he would of made a lot of noise if he got hit, it did wake me up lol.

[@ewhac]

7:30: While the Space Shuttle didn't actually go to space until 1981, prior to that in the late 1970's there were a whole bunch of flight dynamics tests at Edwards AFB, including some comparatively famous flights involving the shuttle Enterprise: Take it up on the back of a 747 about 40K feet, cut it loose, and see if it can glide safely back to Earth on its own. 15:40: It seemed to me they were trying to evoke people tumbling in zero-gravity, but it's obviously shots of people bouncing on trampolines. 28:00: Graham, your Droopy Dog is _perfect_ . And hilarious. 1:24:15: Speaking for myself, I keep a comment pane open for the duration, adding notes as the episode plays out, then submit it when it's done. (This is from my USENET days, where I learned to read the entire thread before commenting, so I didn't repeat points already made.) 1:27:00: Holy crap! I "remembered" her having braces, too. 1:28:56: If they were trying for a "very funny comedy shot," they failed, as the entire film _smashes to a halt_ so they can A) linger far too long on this visual "gag", and B) show the product placement for British Airways. 1:43:28: "And they're all makin' out." Well, except for that couple in the front-right -- that still frame makes it look like that couple's already picking out divorce lawyers in their head, but the trip they planned six months ago is non-refundable, so...

[@LightOfZeon]

While the operational Space Shuttles had not launched, the Enterprise had flown several test flights before '79. There were public photos of that Shuttle, even if it was just a test glider. Still, NASA was under no pressure to make the operational Space Shuttles look anything like the Enterprise.

[@thresherGnat]

It's always really cool to hear how things were done, thanks.

[@kryptych]

Something I started to realize after watching Calvin Dyson's James Bond KZbin channel is that Bernard Lee's M changes his demeanor toward Bond during the Roger Moore era. You might notice in the first two movies - Live and Let Die and The Man with the Golden Gun - that M is very crusty toward the agent, even to the point of contempt. Break three years and then we get The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker, and M is a little more amiable... sure, he accidentally shoots the painting, but he's otherwise very forgiving and a lot more complimentary of Bond, ending both with an eye-rolling "007" scoff... like, "Oh, that agent of mine."

[@cowmark67]

Until watching this podcast series I didn't realize how many scenes and plot lines in Archer are taken from Bond movies.

[@SplatterInker]

It is literally a Bond parody... Archer even matches the book description of Bond's physical appearance. IMO Archer is more Bond than Bond these days.

[@Happymali10]

On a side-note: When Shuttles were carried "piggyback", they had a cover over the engines and no fuel on board, obviously. There also was no connection to the aircraft, you can't "climb up into it"

[@coaxtl1413]

I seriously do remember her having braces! That’s neat!

[@pcmacintyre]

The prototype space shuttle Enterprise, which was used for atmospheric landing tests, was unveiled in 1976. The public knew what the shuttle looked like. Heck, I believe there were already models and toys on the shelf by "77 or '78.

[@paleconfidant380]

I just love the idea of jaws "talking" to drax and is like "I just met this woman amd she is so cool, can she come with us?" And drax is probably just like "why of course."

[@snardfluk]

The Space Shuttle existed before 1979. A full scale model of it was announced and shown on national news at the time. According to Wikipedia: Space Shuttle Enterprise (Orbiter Vehicle Designation: OV-101) was the first orbiter of the Space Shuttle system. Rolled out on September 17, 1976, it was built for NASA as part of the Space Shuttle program to perform atmospheric test flights after being launched from a modified Boeing 747.[1] It was constructed without engines or a functional heat shield. As a result, it was not capable of spaceflight.[2]

[@organMike]

Guys... Dolly was doomed because she had glasses, not because she was short.

[@awpickensz]

Ah, what you fail to realize is that people with glasses forget that glasses exist even when looking at other people. They just blend in...like that friend's mole that you've seen so many times it isn't weird for you anymore.

[@johnalogue9832]

They didn't notice because they watched the release where the glasses were edited out, not the one used by the video editor

[@that_tikosh]

Jaws survived so many crazy stunts. Why would you not expect him to have balls of steel?

[@futuremovieactor]

The Daniel Craig series is a complete restart. It’s not meant to share continuity with any of the movies before it. Also, there’s I think supposed to be a six year gap between Licence to Kill and GoldenEye (as there was in real life).

[@merlin262005]

I'm at 29 minutes in and I must strongly disagree. "Moonraker" is most definetely NOT "ruined" by the idea that Drax is Droopy Dog!

[@jeffreyallan1312]

First let me say this podcast is great and entertaining. But, while yes the first orbital flight of the space shuttle wasn't until 1981, in 1977 the Enterprise (an atmospheric test, full scale, test platform) conducted its trials, where it was launch from the back of a 747

[@JackRabbit9181996]

Woo, the best part of Monday! I'm so stoked for this!

[@nathanlonghair]

I really wish she’d had braces though, it would have been a better scene for it

[@empath69]

My theory is that's part of the reason we mis-remember it (and perhaps, not even SEE what is *actually* there the first time we wach) - we WANT it to be....

[@diegodoumecq5144]

We want it to be a teeth thing, not love at first sight! :p

[@brycegordon1114]

@@empath69 Can we apply that to all Mandela effect things? Just to be dark, does that mean people who remember Mandela dying in prison WANTED him to die in prison?

[@nathanlonghair]

Bryce Gordon Wanting as a word works here but obviously not with Mandela. I think I know what he means though and it’s less about “want” and more what we see as a logical or “satisfying” story to fit the framework of how stories we internalise usually work. In Mandelas case he was for all intents and purposes portrayed as a martyr by media when he was imprisoned, so it fits our perception of the story that he would eventually die in prison.

[@hunterrose8019]

Totally remember the braces by I was eight when I saw this movie in theaters.

[@martinrenner2992]

In 1979 I sat in a theatre on two seperate occassions and watched my first Bond movie, Moonraker (in New Zealand). On both occasions, when Dolly smiled and had braces, the entire theatre erupted in laughter. And we're talking full houses in those days... hundreds of people. It's not the Mandela Effect. There was definitely a theatrical print where she had braces. It was subsequently changed for whatever reason for future releases (because it made her look like a child?) but telling us it was all a mass delusion doesnt make it so.

[@zmajodnocaja5088]

Your memory is faulty. You simply have no idea how faulty human memories are.

[@markleneker9923]

Drax looks like the brother of Dr. Reinhardt from The Black Hole.

[@ssgtmole8610]

Okay, now I'm trying to picture James Bond, Dr. Goodhead, and Jimmy Carr all on a date. 😂

[@LokNWykLeer]

I've only seen part of this movie once a couple years ago, and when the Dolly scene came up, I actually thought "Oh yeah, didn't she have braces or metal teeth or something?" Well, there we go.

[@RWSCOTT]

saw this in the theater when I was 11. Very intense on the big screen, and ironically what stands out in the signature thrill scenes was the use of sound... the sound of plane engine going into a dive as they fight in the door, the noise of the centrifuge.. really quite terrifying, esp. at that age. When I watch it now the one scene I really love is the speedboat chase where Jaws & company are firing mortars.. like, it's a completely unnecessary scene, but it's sooo well shot & edited. 1:33:30 - They technically didn't re-use the music from FRWL, here, tho. Barry rearranged it for Moonraker to give it a Spanish dance sound. It's the best version of that theme, imo.

[@Sientir]

I thought this movie was a lot of fun! I enjoyed it quite a bit. I did feel like the title song sequence was really badly integrated into the movie, though. One thing I actually noticed last film (though it continues here) was the use of the Bond theme during Dramatic Bond Action and bullet sound effects that I remember from Goldeneye N64.

[@OmegablueWolf]

I absolutely remember her having braces but am willing to accept that she actually didnt.

[@empath69]

I think it's 1) our expectation at the time, and 2) the shot is sunny Rio de Janeiro and maybe there's sunlight reflecting on her bright white teeth (she does have a big, pretty smile), and as Graham implied, our subconscious filled in the blanks and changed what we SAW to match our *expectations*. Funnily enough @LoadingReadyRun - I had a James Bond quiz book published in the 90's that was pretty exhaustive, and IT referred to Dolly having braces - just goes to show how pervasive the Mandela Effect is on people, even seriously researchers and writers!

[@CrmsnDragoon]

Given how badly I reacted to the other silly Bond films, this one went so hard into silly it looped around to "I enjoyed this", either that or I'm giving it too much credit for the space scenes

[@TheWAYF]

So, the thing with Dolly. I don't necessarily remember her having braces, though I concede that it makes sense. Maybe the Mandela Effect is based on things that our brain fills into our memory gaps because they intuitively make so much sense? But the weird Mandela Effect for me was that I remembered Dolly being unusually strong (as Jaws is), as evidenced (to my kid-brain) by the fact that she helped to get the giant cable car wheel off his head. I was actually very disappointed when I grew up to find that Jaws did that MOSTLY by himself... I thought that them being equally strong, but her being super tiny and him being super huge, was part of the joke...

[@empath69]

She's not a helpless damsel tho; she managed to get the 'escape pod' controls to work that save her and Jaws. (G that wasn't an accident the section shot away from the rest of the station)

[@TheWAYF]

@@empath69 Oh no, for sure, I just meant I thought she was LUDICROUSLY strong, like Jaws is.

[@spencerkindra8822]

Moonraker is basically a remake of The Spy Who Loved Me which is basically a remake of You Only Live Twice. And all three were directed by Lewis Gilbert. They were really out of ideas by this point haha.

[@williamh0809]

No glass is blown anywhere near St. Mark's Square; it's made on Murano a nearby island. The Venetians kept glass factories away from the city for safety reasons and also to keep their glass-making secrets secret! For the same safety reasons there aren't any trad. pizza ovens in Venice itself.

[@lirazel6414]

What's amazing to me is that this goofy movie was based on such a grim book. *Moonraker* the book is dark and terrifying, and the "exhaust" from the ship near scalds Bond to death. Tl;dr -- if you're looking for goofs, don't read the books.

[@doctorx2105]

@Lizarel64 [SPOILER] And unlike most every other Bond book, he doesn't get the girl in the end or any other time.

[@blofeld39]

@@doctorx2105 He's also got his arm in a cast and his leg in a cast and a crutch, as the end of the mission left him rather horribly injured.