Bone Stockers - Stihl ms362R vs Echo cs-620pw - How Close Are They???

Filmed in July, 2020
A lot of the time I will give the proud new owner of Hi-Zoot customized zippkit time to run their saw for "a bit" before posting videos.
It was a bit windy on this day. A few times the dusts did drown out the dialog. I therefore edited out some of the blasts. This segment did lose a little of the explanation but I do think that the overall meaning is retained.
Thankfully, nobody hit the deck that day.
As mentioned, this was the 1st time I had these two in stock form in my shop at the same time. They were as close to the same amount of run time as you can get with just a few heat cycles on both.
I found the power differential to be quite interesting between these two saws. The 362 is all “on the pipe” topend. Whereas the 620 is more of an old school lowend grunter. I’ve never been a “phan” of the newer, all up top, power band machines that some companies are producing currently.
These two are pound different on the scales in dry and wet trim.
I sure wish that the bar studs were at least the 9mm diameter of all the latest 60cc & up pro version Husqvarna saws.
Looking at the timed runs:
Echo 620 at 12,660 wot went 7.95 down and 8.35 up
Stihl 362 at 13,620 wot went 7.90 down and 7.55 up
So at ~ 1000 less in rpms the 620 took about the same to get through the cuts. The feel telescoped to the handle bars & pistol grip is one of more lowend. I imagine that if the 620 was spun up another 500 rpms it would have bested the 362, stock for stock.
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[@hotsaws101]

Hello. I had to edit out some of the gusts…. I did post the timed runs in the description. Thanks for watching.

[@deliverybryan1138]

I have a ms 362 R which came with flesh handle bar . I installed the wrap handle bar on my 362 . It also came with a 20” bar and I installed a 25” Sthil lightweight bar and moved up to a 28” Sthil lightweight bar and running a chisel skiptooth chain .

[@X737_]

One is a good Pro saw the other is plastic fantastic plastic fantastic guess which is which

[@gumwap1]

@@X737_ I own both of these saws. Nothing wrong with either one. Echo starts easier though

[@X737_]

@@gumwap1 on my second 362 I retire them when they are 5 years old. It starts 5th pull every time, previous one was on 6th pull 😂 it’s the build materials I don’t like on the echo. I do however have an echo backpack blower which I LOVE

[@erikb8172]

@@X737_ The Echo CS-590 TimberWolf has plastic clutch cover and recoil, the 620P and PW are not plastic but magnesium, and internally are totally different then the lower grade TimberWolf. Once Jack gets into taking the 620PW all apart,i,m sure he will explain in detail. I can,t wait until he does.I think Many are going to be surprised on what makes the Echo 620P/PW tick, especially if compared to its lower grade model TimberWolf.

[@zeromark202]

Great video!! This is what I wanted to see!! Thank you The Echo is also over $200 less msrp

[@owtlawglock]

The Stihl will need to be rebuilt twice before the Echo needs a service. Echo seems to be the Toyota of saws. Overbuilt and a bit underpowered but they last forever.

[@cle569]

If what u said is true....

[@eugenecrabs3954]

@@cle569 VROOOOO STUSTUSTUSTUSTUSUTSUTSTUTUUUUTUTUTUTSUTSUTSUTUSUTS *muffler turns white*

[@TheAcenightcreeper]

But wait, the stihl doesnt outsource their parts manufacturing….HOW COULD THIS BE?!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe in a company who stands behind their product and has great customer service…that is echo

[@victoriousvictor7978]

The 620 comes alive like no other. Put a 460 carb on it once it's all ported and flow tricked. Plug up the secondary high jet on the 460 carb and just run the main circuit. Saw becomes a killing machine.

[@erikb8172]

I was just thinking of you Victor and your 620PW when i left my reply up above. You were one of the 1st to hot rod the under rated Echo 620PW!! Was that a Walkerized saw or all your work btw??

[@victoriousvictor7978]

@@erikb8172 it was a guy over in Vancouver and some.stuff by me.

[@telecasterfool1773]

Victor, can you clarify what carb you mean? I have two echo projects (590 & 600P) I'm planning on running the 620P carb with the replacement nozzle. Are you running the stihl ms460 carb on your echo 620p? Thanks!

[@victoriousvictor7978]

@@telecasterfool1773 yes, 460 sthil carb on the 620. Some modification required.

[@telecasterfool1773]

@@victoriousvictor7978 Thanks, Victor!

[@AATreeService]

I have tons of videos of these 2 saws together. Never will a 620 loose to a 362! I’ll get some links together

[@unclecai271]

The 620PW in the video has been an amazing saw for me. It’s my first Echo and my first time working with Jack. In conversations with Jack I told him I wanted to run a 28” bar and have a some what of a utility saw (good for alittle bit of everything). Boy did he deliver! I have a ton of run time on it at this point. It has been dead reliably and a solid performer. *For you nerds it likes to run at 13.5-14k rpm and a 28” full comp chain. Oh and put a foam air cleaner on it, much better then the stock one.

[@hotsaws101]

Uncle Cai hello. Thanks for the kind words.

[@Fayettepropertysolutions]

Do you have any recommendations on the filter to use?

[@jaysontaylor71]

The Echo is set up for an instant gasket delete. Will set the squish right at .02. With a gutted muffler and the gasket delete the saw really wakes up. With some port work its downright impressive for 59cc.

[@Stevef2234]

This sounds interesting, do you work on these?

[@jeffroW0331]

Mine is tuned for aviation fuel and muffler mod. She's pretty sweet

[@Brian2bears]

Wonderful session Mr. Jack. In stock form the Stihl 362 oiler is lacking. Nothing that the 461 oiler or the internals won't cure. The Echo 620 oils very well in stock form. It would/will be neat to see the Husqvarna 562 join in....

[@hotsaws101]

Brian hi. I have run 32" of chain on stock 362 oilers. I never really noticed where it was seriously lacking. But, the chains were blowing chips not dust. Could they push a little better, definitely. I have noticed where the output on the Sthil saws has been a bit on the low side when compared to a similar Husqvarna model. That started with the 064 in '84. I have to wonder if some of the operators experiencing oiler problems are doing so because the chains are pulling more dust than chips. "Saw dust" sucks up bar oil like nobody's business. Thanks for watching.

[@Brian2bears]

@@hotsaws101 I have done this mod several times on 361/362 series, more lube helps on smaller displacement saws. You are very correct on the dust vs. chip scenario. +1 on the Husqvarna oilers. I have 2017 562 that wets a 32" nicely. I remember viewing the 362 zipped vs. 461 stocker footage you posted sometime back, very impressive...

[@jfitz9624]

I have one of these 620s, great saw. They just flat out rip. Especially if you gut the internals of the muffler, weld shut the stock opening and then make either one big one off the front corner, or as I did dual 3/4 inch pipes off the front corners. But it definitely is a bit chunky. No real difference in weight between it and my 7900 dolmar.

[@jimbusmaximus4624]

I had a Dolmar 7900 and it was the best cutting saw! How would you compare the Echo 620 to that (I know it's 19cc smaller.)? I'm looking for a new saw and money is tight right now so Stihl isn't really an option.

[@scsawman]

The 620 needs broken in to really shine, I run a 20" bar and 8-pin and it absolutely eats oak up and will hold up with my woods ported MS360.

[@joehertel8846]

I've loved my 620p since the day I got it , never fails me starts Everytime and cheese through whatever I put it into. I like the way Stihl perform however they just feel awkward in my hands just not a comfortable saw for me I just get along way better with my Husqvarna and echos no hate to the people who like them though at the end of the day they're all great options and they will all cut wood

[@lumberjacksons4468]

Have you got your hands on a ms400c yet

[@yankeenimrod2063]

looking forward to seeing what happens with the echo 🤠👍

[@paulsilvestri593]

I've had both and I sold the 362 in favor of the 620. The weight was negligible to me and the 620 was $300 bucks less. And definitely more bottom end.

[@Morpheen999]

The 362 will last twice as long

[@paulsilvestri593]

@@Morpheen999 why would you say that? is that opinion? I would say that depends on how the tool is treated and taken care of.

[@Morpheen999]

@@paulsilvestri593 Stihl's are built heavier.. Echo's are cheaper for a reason.. I wasnt saying it can't offer years of good service..

[@paulsilvestri593]

@@Morpheen999 how can it be built heavier when the echo weighs more...? And actually Stihls cost more become of the advertising and the name. That's NOT direct correlation with quality. And this is from someone who likes sthil, husky, echo and others.

[@Morpheen999]

@@paulsilvestri593 You can watch the last video and see where he says the Echo is limited because of how its built.. For me the proof is in the pudding I see loggers everywhere, and they arent using Echo chainsaws... the vast majority are Husky and Stihl, in my Area mostly Stihl even though there are plenty of Echo dealers around.. The guys that are really putting saws to the test won't buy them

[@livewithnick]

After my 620p got broken in it’s noticeably fast than my 362. Both are stock except for muffler mods.My Echo 590 is as fast as my 362. My Jonsered 2260 is faster also.

[@kristinejackson8268]

It took 8 seconds on the down cut for both saws 7 seconds on the up cut for both saws. They both sound great. What is the cost difference on them that is the game changer for me. I'm buying a saw this weekend its going too be used on my land to cut down maybe 15 or 20 average trees they will be cut up for fire wood. What do you recommend I get.

[@hotsaws101]

Prices go up daily. No way to tell what they cost "right this second". Individual dealer markup plays a part there as well. You would have to research it locally. The 620 will be noticeably less. They have a different kind of power. The 362 is all on top. The 620 has some lowend. The 362 weigh 1 pound less. Both dry & wet. No way for me to tell which saw feels better in hand to you. That requires you to fondle. Probably could get more of your money back if needed to sell with a Stihl. You never mentioned which bar length. The 620 will be better balanced the longer the bar. If you buy the 362, get some H1-R from Bel-Ray. In fact, either. Best of luck, happy sawing, and thanks for watching.

[@jaimecornejo2185]

What do you rhink about the 361?

[@briankirwan9588]

My 620pw eats 362 all day long. I removed the carb limiters and took out the piece of crap that slides out of the muffler and it rips and uses at least %10 less fuel than the 362 I'm my experience. Also the 620 needs a solid 15 tanks of fuel to break in then its even better.

[@hotsaws101]

Brian hi. Was the same amount of work done to the 362 as well? Thanks for watching.

[@Billster1955]

Thanks

[@MitzvosGolem1]

I have a few Echoes love them .

[@robertshoemaker6204]

Great video thank you Jack.Shoe

[@gumwap1]

Can’t wait to see that echo zipped.

[@SUROBLEDEKchannel]

Chainsaw STIHL is really good, friends, greetings from a hobby from Indonesia

[@Wolf-wf6yx]

It'd be nice if you held it in front of the camera from the top handle so that we can see how it's balanced with that light bar

[@79attaboy]

gettin the popcorn ready!!!

[@dentondunn4346]

Echo makes torquey Saw's, I prefer them to Stihl. Can't beat the price, warranty and reliability of Echo

[@jaydee2620]

I have to say that they are the most reliable and ez starting saws I have ever owned. I’ve never had to hope for my saw to start.

[@zachgordon9531]

Do you port for anyone or just yourself?

[@hotsaws101]

Zach hi. The majority of saws seen on this channel belong to my clients. Thanks for watching.

[@zachgordon9531]

@@hotsaws101 how do I get ahold of you, 394 husqvarna I would like touched up. Most people are on the east coast, I believe you are in Oregon

[@sigarius1783]

@@zachgordon9531 you might just try email him as a first point of contact. Adress In the vidja description somewheres. Have a nice day sir.

[@zachgordon9531]

@@sigarius1783 yeah I did a few months ago, thanks

[@batmantiss]

I don't have a 562 to send you. But you're welcome at my table.

[@putfilesnfriend1]

chain sounds tight 😜

[@hotsaws101]

Bushlleague hi. I run my chains tight. It's purposeful. There is a video in the Faller's Corner segment that explains why. Thanks for watching.

[@seanrichardson4210]

Would love to have my 362 zipped,although I have no engine or power issues,I have felt my saw doesn't oil for shit,I have it up and still not happy!

[@hotsaws101]

Sean hi. Saw "dust" sucks up the oil. Saw chips, well not so much. I would make sure that you are pulling chips. The 461 oiler will help as well. Thanks for watching.

[@mrpotatoheadracing]

This Echo will do good, it's still based on the older Kioritz design.

[@livewithnick]

You sure the 620P isn’t a Shindaiwa design?

[@mrpotatoheadracing]

No. It's part of the CS590, CS600, CS601, etc. You can interchange parts between these models. Echo was making these saws long before they bought Shindaiwa. I used to run some Echo saws, but since they've come out with the more recent four digit numbered X series stuff they've really fell off the wagon...

[@Brian2bears]

@@mrpotatoheadracing The Echo cs600 first year of production was 2009. The cs590 looks to be later than that. Check those dates, I have been wrong many times before sir.

[@diegos2594]

Hi, can I ask why the Echo X series is not as good as the previous ones? Thanks.

[@peanutbuttersanwhich1488]

620 bro 👍

[@billdorell8351]

Put those two in a big old piece of hardwood and you'll see a difference . Small wood the faster spinning saw is going to win, you don't even need to race them to know. Completely sink a 26" bar with each, things will change

[@CutterCH]

The 362 is one of STIHLs failures. After numerous tests with newer saws in the 60cc class, the 362 came in last everytime. Echo really dominates the 60cc class. It's a shame how many people see the name STIHL on a saw and instantly say it's better than everything else. The 362 is an example of a turd created by STIHL. I know entirely too many people that have sold their 362's and went with the 620p. The 620 is hands down the better of the two.

[@AATreeService]

Need a ms400 to run with a 620 and that’s 68 cc

[@marynapier3962]

I agree it is a trud I bought one and was real disappointed, I bought a new 562 and it will cut circles around the 362,

[@marynapier3962]

Yell a ported saw should run better then a stock saw, do the same work on the echo and see what happen

[@robertshoemaker6204]

Other Stihl flops....042 048...441 the worst.....362 and 462 not far behind that's why they went back to the drawing board after the 441 debacle ...design the 500i had it out around the world for 2 years before releasing it in North America....and the 400i....these two were to cover the stinkers of the past. Shoe

[@bkb5668]

@@robertshoemaker6204 I got a couple of 441c non- mtronic and they are both beast's. They are a better saw than the 044/440 by a good margin and are my go to saw for bucking up to 24". People need to specify which version of a saw they are talking about before they condem them all. As for the 362, it is a pretty good saw so far. I have three that get the ever livin' piss run out of them and they hold up. All the 362's are run thinning and that is as hard as any saw will ever be run. I own other saws, but these Stihl saws just hold up to the abuse better. Sorry your experience wasn't the same.

[@billryan8721]

All I know is Jack made my MS362 run like a little freak show. It makes me smile every time it's in my hands and when I fire it off.....people pay attention.

[@hotsaws101]

Bill hi. Thanks for the kind words. Might have to borrow that "colorful description" if you don't mind. Thanks for watching.

[@billryan8721]

@@hotsaws101 Anytime!!! I've aways enjoyed your unique vocabulary and effort in describing situations you find yourself in.

[@joehertel8846]

I'll send you my 562 xp if you really wanna head to head them , I run it alongside my 620p all the time and its a straight tie from my perspective I love them both dearly great saws however I got my 620 for 515 (w/tax and shipping) brand new with a 24 and after taxes my 562 cost 808$ with a 20" bar

[@hotsaws101]

Joe hi. In the description it tells the date this saw-off was filmed. I did run this 620 against some other 60cc saws. We will be checking those out at some point. Thanks for watching.

[@joehertel8846]

@@hotsaws101 oh didn't notice that , it just popped up in recommended , but I love your work ,good stuff man keep it coming

[@sviatoslavtulin7876]

Every Japanese forester, have,, w8 for minute,, STIHL saw, should be a reason for that?

[@lucagoller8947]

Echo super dall'Italia da Castel beseno Trento

[@vinnyfyock834]

i love this guy, i just really wish he’d spend like 500 dollars on a camera instead of using his 2008 samsung S7🙄

[@hotsaws101]

Vinny hi Acutally not filmed on my bat-phone. I did borrow our daughter's $600 Nikon quite a bit over the last year or so. Used it here. If the quality is not up to snuff, better take it up with her... Thanks for enduring, lol.

[@danr308]

BEst phone ever made