Roland Fantom 0 vs Fantom Comparison - The differences explained

[@nonchai]

That has to be the best BRIEF survey of the differences between the two - and actually shows up many reasons why someone with bigger budget and who doesn't need to cart it about - really ought to go for the original one. Well done.

[@markferreri5814]

The Fantom is a jaw-dropping amassing of technology and features, especially with addition of the EX expansion ($199 US). I was mesmerized when I first saw it and bought one (once I had the money) after it was first released. I am very thankful for my decision. It is so complete. My Fantom 7 well compliments my Korg Kronos 88. Beware, you will regret buying the Fantom-0 series. Thank you for pointing out the differences between the 2. They are substantial.

[@DKS-SYNTH-LAB]

Great comparison Tony! Just a little correction at 7:28, the Fantom-0 Series has only 2 Jack for Main Out (no XLR) but they are balanced! :)

[@rickhunter6185]

I like the way he exposes the features and differences, advantages and disadvantages between the big vs small fantom, looks very honest so you can take the right decision, thanks for that.

[@GuitarEncyclopedia]

I am glad I got the Phantom 6 when the lockdowns started. There was a lot to learn and try out, and in the end a lot of new music came out of it.

[@MobileMusic]

You can attend the free online classes by Roland on Fantom conducted every month for 4 days by Scott Berry.

[@Bashanvibe]

I should have gotten the new Fantom when I had the money during the lock down I was so set on getting my old G6 back; now I want to sell it to trade in for the new Fantom so it make sense to my wife!!! I already have the FA-06 and Juno Di!!! Along with the MO6 and MODX!!!

[@drspock742]

Best comparison I have seen between these two keyboards

[@davidmccallum4794]

Wow, you're the only one so far that I have seen that really defines the differences. I wish I had seen this a while ago. I tried to buy a Fantom and it was back ordered for over a year so I finally settled for the O series. What a disappointment. I think it's worth the lower price, but I really wanted a real Fantom. Thanks for your great video. Others say, what's the difference, not much. That's not true.

[@pbuchta1]

Wow. What a great detailed review of the differences between the Fantom series. I truly enjoyed viewing this video.

[@geoffk777]

An important flaw on all Fantoms is that *only* the V-Pianos have damper and string resonance. The SuperNatural pianos on the older Roland FA and RD-2000 had string and damper resonance, but Roland has apparently not supported this on the Fantom models. So the SuperNatural piano sounds are significantly less realistic than the earlier SuperNatural pianos. This is unfortunate on the big Fantoms, but on the Fantom-0 line, it means that none of the pianos support any string or damper resonance at all. This is unacceptable for a fairly expensive workstation in 2022 and, if piano is important to you, might rule them out altogether.

[@BrandNewUsername]

I got mine yesterday and the pianos are really naff. The FA series pianos sounded so much better. Very disappointing.

[@tommychappell6359]

@@BrandNewUsername it's not really a classical instrument imo.. it's more of digital keyboard/synthesizing keyboard/sound emulating instrument.. if you wanted classical sound I would personally buy a Yamaha Montage for that.. but there are loads out there.. fantoms have motion shaping tool that you can shape sound with.. particularly reverb.. which yeah makes it better for experimenting with sound..

[@BUJU2007]

@@BrandNewUsername Have you tried downloading the The SuperNatural pianos 2 from the Roland Cloud. Those sounded really good.

[@X22GJP]

Why is it unfortunate on the big Fantoms? They have V-Piano with the damper and string resonance modelling. It's only unfortunate for the Fantom-0 line.

[@X22GJP]

@@BrandNewUsername Unless portability is absolutely key, why waste money on a cheaper product? If you can spare £1,300 or whatever it costs, you can spare double that for the flagship. Simple as that, but sounds like you should have saved even more and gone for a MODX.

[@boundlessmind5083]

I have had the 06 for about 6mths now and for a few reasons, I plan on using the sale of the 06 to go put a down payment on financing the 6. It's missing too much for my licking. Don't get me wrong, I still love what I can do with it, but having tried the flagship, it's not the same. The main reasons: The lights for you to know where your level is make all the difference for smooth mixing. When it comes to sound design and manipulation live, having the adsr at your fingertip makes a big difference. Especially seeing as when you use the deeper option, it's too granular to control easily on the fly. The keybed is also better and that's something. If I thought I could ever afford the 8 though, I would certainly go right for that.....That keybed is very satisfying.

[@johnnyvlee]

Extremely helpful comparison. I would always want the flagship version

[@jackprice7828]

Thank you. This is the best model comparative video I've seen yet.

[@78RenatoRodrigues]

Sir, that's has to be the most incredible comparison i´ve ever seen, thank you!

[@DynamteKid316]

Great review! The only 2 KZbin channel I watch is Bonners music & Luke Edward's. Both Tony & Luke are great keyboard players! Thank you!

[@JohnDoe-xv1se]

Excellent comparison without the usual Um's and Ah's. Excellent presenter. Will get all the bells and whistles and spring for a used Fantom-7 due to weight... and will probably go for the EX Upgrade if it doesn't forever tie me to Roland's "cloud"). Thanks a whole bunch.

[@SHADOW4301]

Wow. I've been looking for THIS information. Thank you very much!

[@DrGargani]

more proof, Tony, that you still remain the absolute best evaluator on our various keyboards! Your closest competitor is your buddy, Jack.....This comparison is a firm study in the "you get what you pay for" theory....

[@Rolenien]

Great comparison! Thankx Tony! Just considering my choice!

[@darwiniandude]

An update since the video came out, the JD-800 expansion isn't compatible with Fantom 0, but it is with other lower-spec'd ZenCore instruments like Jupiter Xm. So that's strange. It works with the Fantom 6/7/8 with the $200USD EX software upgrade, which also adds ACB (more accuate) models for SH-101, JX3P, Jupiter 8

[@ShiningJMaster]

Clear and useful video to support an informed decision on which of the two bringing home. Thank you.

[@shivercanada]

Absolutely incredible job no one else but you did this right , thank you!

[@movethecrowdmiami9072]

DMPM purchased the Roland Fantom 0. Thanks for the comparison.

[@paulussantosociwidjaja4781]

Thank you, Toni - you have saved our time. Cheers!

[@dmpmmediagroup3988]

Thank you for the comparison ! Great Job

[@marcpalacios2953]

2 things. I have the Fantom 08 and I love it. Haven’t explored everything but I did see an aftertouch setting in the menu somewhere.

[@Obez45]

can you find out where?

[@marcpalacios2953]

@@Obez45 I saw it in the reference manual I downloaded. I can’t recall where but I did see a setting and I remembered thinking “I thought they said there’s no after touch. “

[@Obez45]

@@marcpalacios2953 Ah cool thanks for taking the time to reply. I will check that out. Another quicker question; the 0 series only has 256 mb of expansion space, is it possible to play expansion packs from a connected, larger capacity USB?

[@marcpalacios2953]

@@Obez45 that I can’t help u with.

[@Obez45]

@@marcpalacios2953 no problem friend, thanks anyway

[@romanopitt1863]

Woow, very detailed stuff, would like to hear about the montage vs the modxplus in this detail way...

[@narfsounds]

Very informative Tony! Love your videos.

[@fahimdawer]

Answered all my questions in 8 minutes great explanation.....The pain in the ass is 256mb memory they should have at least given 1000 mb half of Fantom.....shame for Roland.......Roland has always been very thrifty about memory size for multisamples.......

[@beats-by-skrill8925]

I think they did this to not take away value from the FA Series as the price of these are still the same.

[@fahimdawer]

@@beats-by-skrill8925 may be you are right but FA does not even have sampling or multisampling capability....the sampling on FA is only limited to the pads not keys....

[@beats-by-skrill8925]

@@fahimdawer I own a FA06 and I'm not too sure on this. Shame on me. Lol I thought the sampling was the FA series strong point. So the Fantom 0's are superior than FA's in all aspect??? Something is fishy here. If the FA's price doesn't drop, then we all should expect tht the current prices of the Fantom 0's are just promotional prices and will eventually go up.

[@fahimdawer]

@@beats-by-skrill8925 Yup I'm sure there is no sampling for keys in FA ....shame on Roland even the Juno Ds has that capability but the expensive FA does not .....Fantom O is superior bcz it can hold more expansions than FA at one time .....the screen is touch connectivity is also better than FA......scene remain functionality is good for live use......it has more controls ......and you can buy old Roland's synth models for this like Jupiter 8, SH 101 etc you can also buy patches packs from Roland's cloud .....overall it's great workstation for the price with less memory for sound expansions which is its drawback in the long run....

[@ablesam]

When you download it from Roland Cloud, the EXZ is downloaded in 16-bit linear (Normal size). When you load them onto the Fantom-0, only a small portion of the entire waveform is loaded. So the EXZ size on the flash memory of Fantom is less than the one that you downloaded from Roland Cloud. Think about it for a second. How does three Supernatural AP/EP which in total take up more than 300 MB on FANTOM, only occupies 120 MB on Fantom-0? Compression. Roland use FCE-DPCM compression to compress the samples to make more usage out of the 256 MB on Fantom-0. Unfortunately, they are not using it for user samples, meaning, the multisample engine is limited by the keyboard sampler's flash memory storage on Fantom-0.

[@siddharth_r1]

Such a clear video! Loved it

[@michaelfenemore1168]

Very helpful comparison. 👍🏻

[@rickdeaguiar-musicreflecti7692]

Excellent overview. Thank you for taking the time on this :)

[@robson969]

Congratulations on the video. Have you tested the jupiter 8 and Juno 106 expansion for the Fantom 0? Did you manage to analyze if the output sounds the same as physical keyboards?

[@ChristopherJenkins73]

Excellent Video and Explanation of the 2 Fantoms

[@LuisGaraySessionPiano]

The problem with this piano is that it doesn't have V piano sounds and it doesn't have after touch. I was going to buy it but I decided on montage 6 which has better piano sounds than Fantom 0.

[@Janomix]

Excellent differences explanation. But missing the song creations capabilities differences of both machines. Thank you.

[@cortbengtson4149]

Tons of great needed info

[@JDWangSwang]

I have a Roland Fantom X-8… not ideal for performing live. It’s a heavy workstation. I use a two keyboards. Do you think the Hammond Skx pro 61 key is the way to go? I’m open to suggestions, and love your reviews. I’m trying to keep things more compact. I’m playing in a reggae band, but also compose other types of music. Thank you! Hope you respond!

[@dulistanheman]

Reggae song doesn't need 88 keys. If you love Crazy color (eat the whole keys) continuously playing at Piano, then any Roland Fantom with 88 keys is the way to go to avoid jumping around from lower to up tear on Hammond Skx pro 61. The 73 keys seems promising. In my opinion, the Hammond build in sounds is Crazy deep, real and better than Roland. If you still prefer Roland, this New Roland Fantom O series seems great options for gig because of it's lightweight. I used to have Fantom G8 back then. Although I really missed it alot, considering the Sounds that is Legend (my Band still missed it too), I have to let it go because it break my back and my car. *One can't have Both.*

[@groki30]

Thanks Tony - just the info I needed :-)

[@dividedstreetsofamerica6875]

Hello sir what kind of keyboard stand is that please???

[@AngelWildBlue]

Are the sequencer and samplers still the same in both versions? Does the 0 series have the same internal storage?

[@psalms6539]

How much space does the models require. Is there enough room on 0 series to hold 2, 3 or 4 models?

[@Maxim_Vasilyev_]

Thank you for the video! I can't find the Roland Cloud JD-800 extension for any Fantom. It seems that the Fantom is the flagship and it has a lot of things, but there was no place for the JD-800 expansion. Can you, as the owner of all Fantom versions, confirm that none of them support the JD-800 extension? Perhaps Roland will add them with updates?

[@ablesam]

Probably not coming to the FANTOM, as the expansion distinguishes it from the JP-X. But who knows?

[@Kulric]

By now you may have heard that the Fantom gets an ACB JD-800 model Expansion in the EX upgrade.

[@ARGON023]

Dziękuję, dziękuję za bardzo pomocne wyjaśnienie różnic! Pozdrawiam.

[@oblitafier]

I noticed several errors in this video. The Fantom 0 series main outputs are BALANCED TRS outputs. The Fantom 0 series has MORE digital inputs and outputs over USB than the flagship model. 32x4 vs 16x3. Oh, and personally I think the 0 series should have aftertouch at this price point, given they market it as the centre of your set up.

[@ablesam]

The digital inputs are the same. 16 stereo for FANTOM is the same as 32 mono inputs for Fantom-0. The outputs however, are less. 3 stereo (6 mono) for FANTOM and 4 mono ( 2 stereo) for Fantom-0. The 32x4 is just marketing really.

[@francoisparadis5184]

You never mentioned the lights around the knobs and beside the sliders. I own a 06 and would trade up almost uniquely for those lights. I found it so annoying to not know what level things are unless I pull up the mixer.

[@adrianoconnor3020]

good to see Mark King again 😀

[@ARGON023]

Thank you, thank you for this very helpful explanation of the differences! Regards.

[@kennethkline1522]

Are the keys full size on the Fantom O like the Fantom Flagship series? The FA 06 has smaller keys and is a hinderance to my playing.

[@marianobua985]

ciao e grazie per i tuoi video. vorrei farti una domanda, essendo possessore della roland fa06 converrebbe cambiarla con fantom 06? tieni presente che mi riguardano solo i suoni sintetizzati. grazie e buona estate. ciao

[@Sawtooth311]

How is the Fantom 07 keyed compared to the semi-weighted on the FA-07?

[@josephkissel6062]

While this video is appreciated, I think the flip-side to this topic is necessary: What are the features they share in common? As it is, all this does is make one want to buy the flagship model, which clearly why anybody showed up to watch this. People considering the Fantom-0 want to know if it has enough of the good stuff to justify the price. FWIW ... this is not a budget model. That would be the eventual Juno version. $1,500 - $2,000 is not loose change for most musicians. Additionally, if the reviewer is going to ding things like the keyboard action, try to describe what's different about it rather than just making a car reference. This video is a bit of a waste of time because all this information is already available in print form and takes 1/10th the time to get through ...

[@zendobrendo0001]

Good points. I would like to see a demo showing the difference between the analog filter and the FA series digital filter - do they sound similar and have similar responsiveness? That's the kind of thing I would like to see contrasted.

[@josephkissel6062]

@@zendobrendo0001 As far as contrasts, I think the analog filter is probably one of the biggest actual differences between the two models. No LEDS, no aftertouch, less expansion space ... things like that are kind of obvious as to how they differ. But the analog filter in particular is something I'd watch a whole video on. For starters, it's probably the least discussed feature of the Fantom, with usually just a passing mention to whatever sonic attributes they get from the press materials or what they think is a better sound. I'm assuming you can turn it off, so why hasn't anybody done a comparison to how it sounds with analog filter vs. the other digital filters on board ... While I do think there's potential merit for it being included, I've also owned enough modern and analog vintage synths and effects to know that great sound is possible with any combination of analog/digital or just one or another. In other words, is it really necessary - does it really add anything - or was it just Roland trying to include everything in its flagship to see what resonated with buyers and users? This analog filter actually reminds me alot of the "crossover" section of the JD-Xa synth that supposedly allowed the digital and analog sections to interact. But in a very similar situation to what we're seeing with this analog filter in Fantom, almost no review I've ever read dives into that feature. Even owners when questioned directly, didn't seem to have much to say about it ...

[@MobileMusic]

If you care for less about the hardware specs, the software is the exact same as in the flagship FANTOM. Yes, software, UI/UX matters a lot - if it sucks to the point you dread touching it, that's a sheer waste of money. Sounds are "secondary" - they can be designed, downloaded or purchased but software is the KEY. Features like V-Piano, Analog Circuitry need extra chips to handle and process that only flagship FANTOM has. I still love my flagship FANTOM-06 with exhaustive connectivity options. A bit heavy but that is expected! Plus the 4 free expansion packs (worth $600) and 1 paid expansion means I have another 5 keyboards built right into FANTOM that I don't have to lug them around separately. And - it is very, very BEAUTIFUL !! I would marry her :)

[@Dantoriusar]

Thanks for the review! clear and concise😎👍

[@shubh_muzik]

Hlo Sir, Please tell me the difference of the keybed and quality of keys in both keyboards’ 61 keys variant 🎶

[@TheAdvancedMusic]

That expansion memory is quite disappointing. 256mb :( Roland have never been obvious about the size of their expansion packs, but the free JV vintage synth waveform expansion is alone 100mb. It was 8mb on physical card. Perhaps, I'm missing something but could Roland not at least have implemented some size compression?

[@geoffk777]

Roland have introduced new SRX expansion packs for the Fantom-0 line with additional compression. So the Fantom and Fantom-0 use different downloads, and the Fantom-0 ones are smaller. But you're still limited to 4 or 5 at once, whereas the Big Fantom can accomodate all of the current expansions at the same time.

[@TheAdvancedMusic]

@@geoffk777 I'm not seeing this advertised anywhere.

[@geoffk777]

@@TheAdvancedMusic It's on the Roland Cloud when I view the Fantom library.

[@TheAdvancedMusic]

@@geoffk777 Via Cloud, it says 114mb for EXZ 008 Vintage Keys for Fantom-0 but 90mb for the same pack for the Fantom flagship. Definitely not smaller on the 0 range.

[@geoffk777]

@@TheAdvancedMusic Ok, I was told in conversations that the Fantom-0 expansions were recompressed to save space, but I guess that it didn't make a big difference.

[@jfish8494]

does anyone know if the fantom 08 has the polysynth sound called "keep"?

[@jerrawilliams6115]

Hi I'm looking to buy another keyboard I currently have the Roland Juno DS 76 it's great but I have a hard time switching from custom splits and duals , really fast on stage especially when I have a long set list with different patches. The FA07 I found out you can trigger a whole setlist through pads with combinations with both splits and duals but can the Fantom O do the same which should I buy

[@justdandavies]

Can I import a backup from the Fantom into the Fantom O?

[@DPDurkee]

Yes. I have both and was able to import backup from 7 to 07. Zones with sounds unique to my 7 came up as null in the 07 zones, but the scenes still function. I wanted to load my Juno/Jupiter/etc expansions into the 0 but the file is different and won't load into the 0. Does that mean I fork out $149 each to get them in my 0? Hope not---I'm going to ask Roland that question.

[@ArunKumarB]

Thanks for this comprehensive comparison. Could you pls help if the Fantom 6 has vocal processor / effects / harmoniser in it. I am a vocalist primarily so wanted to be able to sing along while playing the keyboard. (korg Pa5x and yamaha Sx900 has these features but couldn’t find for Fantom). Thanks in advance.

[@heydavemyers1]

I'm the same as you.. I currently have a Korg PA1000 and just got a Korg PA5x, both have vocal harmonizers in them. I'm pretty sure the Roland doesn't. But, there are various vocal processors available that are easy to set up and use, so you don't really need it built into the keyboard.

[@ArunKumarB]

@@heydavemyers1 thanks for the response

[@mac651000]

Fantastic summary of the comparative qualities of the two keyboards. Basically, the new 0 series is vastly overpriced. I own a MODX 8, which is around half the price of the Montage 8, yet the MODX is practically a Montage in all but body. Yes, you have to perform more menu diving on the MODX to access some of the features, but that is precisely why the MODX is so cheap by comparison. This sounds to me as if the difference between the Fantom and Fantom 0 is huge. Also, going off subject slightly, Roland has recently released the Juno X, which looks like a really decent synth, with all the bells and whistles a music maker could want. But why, at the price point Roland are charging for this synth did they decide to install it with the same keybed as the Fantom 0, not the keybed on the Fantoms and the Jupiter X? Being as the Jupiter X, particularly, has the better keybed installed, you would imagine Roland would install it on the Juno X. I understand their thinking to a point, keep the cost of the Juno below that of the Jupiter, but the Juno is already light on some functions and processing power available on the Jupiter. It's sequencer, whilst good, isn't as sophisticated as the Jupiter's. The Zen-Core technology has been developed to easily fit into Roland's boards, so it should be a seamless transformation for the Juno without incurring such high costs for what is, effectively, an inferior product. The Juno is a premium priced synth, and thinking about it, so too is the Fantom 0 series. They both should be fitted with better keybeds. You can get a Summit for around the price of a Juno, which has a far greater synthesis capability and a really nice key action to it, too. Roland is a great company, and these products aren't bad, but they must give us more for the money. What I suspect has happened is the Fantom series has not sold as well as Roland expected it to, because of the immense cost. Yes, it's a beast, an absolute powerhouse. But how many of us can afford a synth like that? Almost three grand for even the 61 key version. So, they decided to make it up on other models. Put the technology, minus the best bits, into a cheap shell with a cheap keybed, and charge a more affordable (but still expensive) price to tempt buyers. It is all rather disappointing.

[@Moulymusic]

one thing that you forgot which is to me the biggest fail with the fantom 0 IS the screen size. it IS smaller than the original and honestly really not great to manipulate when you browse a song or want to sound design in the parameters.

[@beats-by-skrill8925]

The Fantom 0 Series screen are smaller but has higher resolution than the flagship Fantom.

[@chiser2223]

Good video 👍

[@AbdiPianoChannel]

My Yamaha MODX6 shares the same sound and software functionality as the Yamaha flag ship Yamaha montage 6. My MODX 6 is lighter than Roland 0. I have 1GB on my MODX compare to 256MB Roland 0. I still have my old Fantom X6 in excellent condition but I am Yamaha dude.

[@sglynn]

Thanks I'm trying to decide between Modx and Fantom O and your comment is useful. Any additional comparison comments between these two are appreciated.

[@Keyboardnut99]

The lack of space for expansions is a huge dealbreaker and makes the bigger fantom 6 I have definitely the right choice, shame because being more portable would have sold me one but to much has been left out

[@tommychappell6359]

glad you had fun, keep playing ;) 👍

[@ablesam]

When you download it from Roland Cloud, the EXZ is downloaded in 16-bit linear (Normal size). When you load them onto the Fantom-0, only a small portion of the entire waveform is loaded. So the EXZ size on the flash memory of Fantom is less than the one that you downloaded from Roland Cloud. Think about it for a second. How does three Supernatural AP/EP which in total take up more than 300 MB on FANTOM, only occupies 120 MB on Fantom-0? Compression. Roland use FCE-DPCM compression to compress the samples to make more usage out of the 256 MB on Fantom-0. Unfortunately, they are not using it for user samples, meaning, the multisample engine is limited by the keyboard sampler's flash memory storage on Fantom-0.

[@X22GJP]

too

[@ChordFreak]

Nice comparison. But only a comparison. As a normal person, using washing-machines and such things, I'm still missing reviews regarding fundamentals. Seemingly not a thing the synth-scene is busy with. What unfortunately leads to more and more buggy machines. I would not buy a workstation anymore. Not even the sense of those machines is defined. Btw. expansion packs are overloaded - with things, one never uses. If dealing with selected sample(banks) the memory is usually not a problem. My selfmade, extensive samples cost 8MB/sound. Electronic sounds can be optimized to way less memory.

[@dvamateur]

Looks like the Fantom 8 is the best deal, actually. It has the best keybed, and it looks and feel the best. The Fantoms are nowhere to be found though at the moment. They all show out of stock in all U.S. dealers. I am worried that I had missed the boat on the Fantom 8, and that its price is going to go up.

[@mickandrews9458]

Interesting view on the Fantom 8 keybed. I had an F8 but found the keyboard slow to play, as in, I just could not play it as fast as an acoustic piano. i admit that I have played an acoustic piano most of my life and far far more than any synth so my hands are probably 'biased' now but after all I had read about the F8 keyboard I expected a lot more. I have an F7 now. Again, do not really like it as it is so easy to make an adjacent note sound (probably means I need to improve my technique), but I can play it faster than the F8.

[@dvamateur]

@@mickandrews9458 Well, I am coming from the Roland A-80/XV-88 and occasionally Yamaha KX88, so to me ,the Fantom 8 keyboard seems okay. A little fancy even, with the wooden treatment and escapement. But to be honest, I had found the RD-2000 and Fantom 8 keybeds a bit strange, with short travel. The Nautilus 88-key version key bed seems as it has a bit longer travel. As far as the key bed speed goes, to me everything is going to be fast, compared to Yamaha KX88. :) I think the KX88 is actually a pretty good keyboard to practice on to develop finger strength. My idea was to get a relatively heavy action, to develop finger strength. My piano teacher approved the A-80 action. Anyway, I only played an acoustic piano maybe 5 times in my life, so perhaps I shouldn't be commenting on weighted keybeds at all. But my point was, that for only $600 difference between Fantom 6 and Fantom 8, the Fantom 8 is a no brainer for me to get. Sadly, Fantoms are nowhere to be found in stock these days. I am worried that the prices are going to go up, because compared with the $5,300 Nord Stage 3, the Fantom 8 is currently a bargain.

[@mickandrews9458]

@@dvamateur Another A80 owner! I still have mine. A very very heavy action though (and the whole keyboard is slightly heavier than a Fantom 8). If you can get a Fantom 8 and like the keyboard feel, definitely go for it. It is not a bad action. I am from the UK and they are hard to get here as well. The Fantom 0 series is now out and good value for money, but there are big differences, e.g. no aftertouch (not a big deal to me), far far less memory (this is a big deal), less physical controls, less powerful processing etc. The 08 does have a weighted keyboard so may be an alternative to the original 8.

[@dvamateur]

​@@mickandrews9458 Well, I got used to the A-80's action after all these years. And the A-80's action is lighter than KX88's action. I also have the XV-88, which has a completely different feel, more in line with the Korg Nautilus 88-key version. The RD-2000 and Fantom 8 seem to have a bit of a short key travel compared with the other weighted action instruments. Anyway, maybe that's what the acoustic piano action should be like. I am too low of a socioeconomic class to be familiar with the piano actions. It has always been digital electronic keyboards to me, although I played acoustic pianos on a few occasions, and it wasn't much challenge to me. Still, I feel that the new Roland wooden key actions have a bit of short travel. But hey, people can get used to everything.

[@KevboKev]

As someone who has always wanted a Kronos but never got one, I finally found a Fantom 8 at my local guitar center that was used. I didn't purchase it, but I played with it for a while. I have always enjoyed the Fantom G, and this new Fantom, although looks very pretty, I don't know.....it still feel dated. I record in a DAW, so I really have no use for the sequencer, and that is a big part of this, as it really is considered a workstation. The acoustic sounds don't sound all that realistic to me. I guess I am used to my gigabyte-sized VSTs samples. Besides the Genos, I don't know if a keyboard, anytime soon, will have great acoustic sounds. But yeah, if you haven't had a chance to play one, I would highly recommend trying one out first. The keybed felt nice...a bit heavy actually. I don't know....I just feel like the ball was dropped on theF antom.

[@2HimTru]

Would be purchasing either a Roland Fanthom or Nord if it weren't for the stinking Economy. I can't even sell my near mint condition high-end Fender, Ibanez, and Markbass equipment. But, "nothing stays the same"... maybe next year if things turnaround drastically for the better. For now, people aren't buying AND music stores are closing their doors. Sad too that so many restaurants are closing their doors as well.

[@sharingmatters]

Great comparison. Thx

[@frankmoser1802]

quite helpful, thank you

[@AlekseiDroganov]

Hello. Could you tell me please If I understand correctly n/zyme is not available In principle, put on fantom 0? Thank you

[@darrickkeels6387]

No. N'zyme is not available on the Fantom-0.

[@MobileMusic]

V-Piano needs dedicated chips - flagship FANTOM has 4 chips. Fantom-0 may be having chip limitations to process V-Piano and n/zyme

[@insomthegreat]

Why limit the number of sounds O user's can "buy" from roland especially when the company is moving towards a subscription service???

[@gothaFILM]

When Fantom will became a better screen with higher defination? You know something about this?

[@ktreier]

You missed Fantom has “Phantom” mic power.

[@gastgast7852]

Great summery..😎

[@marcels.3910]

thank you, well i need to save some extra money^^

[@tigerboy4516]

Cheers

[@ronaldcelano4263]

Also, the Fantom has more lights associated with the sliders, knobs, and switches.

[@Nuggifresh]

CAn we even fit the Juno expansion after we spend the 149 🤬😑

[@ablesam]

Yes, the Juno ABM model only takes about a few KB's of storage since it is a rework of the base Zen-Core engine. It shows up as a 100 MB file of Roland cloud, but actually, its only supposed to be a couple of KB's when loaded into Fantom-0.

[@PedroRedes]

Ok, but The Phantom 0 is better than FA and the price of Phantom is very expensive, I like mi Citroen Berlingo.

[@HzofArt]

Thanks guess I gotta get the German car 👍🏾

[@insomthegreat]

Sold my 6 regretted it and thought I would replace it with a 06 but everything I loved about the 6 is excluded from the 06. Another $3600 that I can't afford 😂

[@100haymaker]

Not really overselling the Fantom 0 range!

[@K24U76]

I feel like this guy was a bit more biased to the fantom and kind of a Debbie downer for the O-line .. One very big comparison key factor that was left out is. Fantom price starting at $3600-$4199 depending on keybed size Fantom-0 starting at $1599-2149 depending on Keybed size Hmmmm I wonder which one the average musician will choose…🤔

[@adamlangford2849]

Great comparison, but would have been a lot more helpful with actual examples of what you're talking about...

[@blueeyedsoulman]

I never buy a keyboard without aftertouch. I bought my Korg DW8000 in 1987 and it has aftertouch. I believe this is an industry manipulated money maker. There's no reason for a keyboard not to have aftertouch just as there's no reason why an automobile needs to run on petrol. Shame on manufacturers to continue this nonsense.

[@DarrenJohnMusic]

The 256 mb expansion memory is terrible. They offer 15 expansion libraries but a lot of them are in the 100 megabyte range. That would mean you can only load a couple at a time? It would be nice if someone could sell an aftermarket solution. My Korg Kronos has room for a second drive. Such a shame.

[@ablesam]

When you download it from Roland Cloud, the EXZ is downloaded in 16-bit linear (Normal size). When you load them onto the Fantom-0, only a small portion of the entire waveform is loaded. So the EXZ size on the flash memory of Fantom is less than the one that you downloaded from Roland Cloud. Think about it for a second. How does three Supernatural AP/EP which in total take up more than 300 MB on FANTOM, only occupies 120 MB on Fantom-0? Compression. Roland use FCE-DPCM compression to compress the samples to make more usage out of the 256 MB on Fantom-0. Unfortunately, they are not using it for user samples, meaning, the multisample engine is limited by the keyboard sampler's flash memory storage on Fantom-0.

[@Curious_Skeptic]

Well, Fantom 6 is twice the price of Fantom 06. So... To compare them is easy. If you can afford the 6,7,8, buy it. If you can't, at least you have the 0 series. LOL.

[@ceaneo4781]

256 MB! 😅

[@paulmoadibe9321]

surely I prefer the fantom 8 over the 08, but.... I'll have to sell my wife because it's simply TOO EXPENSIVE !!!

[@tigerboy4516]

256mb is a joke in 2022. How much would 3gigs of flash ram cost from a mass produced manufacturer?. £20ish?

[@ablesam]

256 MB of NOR Flash. NAND is way more cheaper. Fantom-0 boots up faster than the more expensive FANTOM. Still, your point remains, manufacturers always cut costs of memory and storage space. Terrible practice.

[@bio-metric-1016]

I’ll stick to my flagship montage

[@timm3802]

Why write questions to you?? You'r not gonna answer anyway !

[@JayTheLane]

256 meg on the O, what a joke.

[@nathanreddent2427]

So get a Korg then is what you’re saying. Too expensive for the outdated sounds and hardware.