Soft and Wet...... What Were They Thinking?!?!?!

[@spy9514]

The fact this video still holds up to the current yba meta even after all the balance changes says something

[@veipotrica4976]

Nah they nerfed the hamon

[@aramdominsect895]

Maybe, just maybe it's because this video refers to the past update

[@veipotrica4976]

@@aramdominsect895 people are talking shit about this "new yba" but the truth is that the old yba had more 1 shot combos than the new one

[@partyboy1340]

Hamon just got nerf in new update so this might do less damge

[@cottoncandyreverie]

@@veipotrica4976The reason people talk shit still is because after all of this time and how much the development team grew the fact that there are still any 1 shot combos that aren’t immediately patched out is just extremely embarrassing

[@FPLester]

fun fact, on release, the barrier move could hit people *on the ground.* for like probably around 4-5 months, s&w was just completely unkillable due to being able to combo off of all of its moves *and* having some of the best neutral and defensive options in the game.

[@3rdpartydoney]

you can block on getup btw

[@sinchonized555]

@@3rdpartydoney no, u cant

[@thefilthycasual6402]

@@sinchonized555you can

[@ducla5541]

@@sinchonized555 You could if it was a normal ragdoll. It was the spin around move that confirmed the barrier move. The spin around move had weird properties.

[@cengix8850]

No, it HIT and STUNNED you while you were on the floor so you couldn’t block

[@7ruk826]

Chances are im yelling into the wind here but as someone who has been around since kqbtd got released (April 2020), its sad to see the state of the game. I remember when i fist started playing the game and I got king crimson out of an arrow and I was extremely hyped because it was harder to get arrows and it was a 2% chance, so I grinded for a week without the campaign at the ghost police guy (forgot his name) getting one rebirth every 2 days because of how slow it was. I remember being scared of people who had star platinum, or the world, or anybody with a requiem stand because of how hard they were to get. I grinded steel ball run for weeks trying to get one win to get a requiem arrow but it never happened. I quit the game for a couple months and when I came back the campaign was completed and requiem arrows were handed out like candy flaunting an insult in my face for grinding sbr all those times. I started playing the game again and finally got the stand that I started playing the game for in the first place, Kcr. I started using kcr a lot and got really good knowing how to abuse most of his abilities with boxing and the shitty counter timing being able to go off mid barrage. When twoh and mih came out I immediately started grinding steel ball run and was able to get all of the corpse parts after winning around 30 fucking steel ball runs because the game wouldn't give me a heart of the saints corpse. I was then able to get twoh and mih and did almost everything you could in the game. I stopped playing after the kqbtd rework since there were no updates for a long af time. I came back around winter 2021 to grind getting the ooa made in heaven skin. I think I've wasted a month of my life grinding around 60 mih's and still never got the skin. I came back to the game august 2022 when cd got reworked and was sad to see corpse parts that I worked so hard for given out in a code once again throwing an insult in my face for playing the game a lot trying to get these legitimately. I almost stopped playing the game entirely with how broken c moon and cd were at the time and was already angry at how many beatdowns there now were. I started coming back with every update but the game never recovered. I hadn't played in 5 months when I came back to see this last update and I was completely dumbfounded by the balance of the game. Every new stand has a beatdown that does half your health, or a broken combo that does all of it. I have to play my keyboard like a piano if I want to use the specs because of how many abilities they have now. This game used to be all that I played and is still a game I really want to go back to its former glory but that's just never going to happen based on the spec reworks. But alas, this game is made by someone who imploded from greed and now only cares about how the effects of the game look and skins. Chances are nobody is going to read this mess but I've had these thoughts pent up in me since last July so this is a nice way to put things down.

[@zwei16]

I hear you out loud and clear

[@talayruamyart7381]

I just got pres 3 lvl 50 yesterday what now

[@talayruamyart7381]

@JubbyJoob I have such a long time ago

[@ichisenzy]

all this yap and only 56 likes

[@sshay-z]

I started playing around the same time as you and I loved the game but eventually I found other games to play and forgot about yba I would comeback for a day to play yba to see how it was doing and one thing that bothered me the most was the spec reworks I miss old boxing it was so simple eye gouge and jawbreaker now it has 5 different moves added to the however many move you have on whatever stand you have so its just a jumble of mess trying to get all the moves to work instead of overlapping each other

[@linuex8204]

I noticed Uzu design for stands changed after every stand released after stone free had a trapping move.

[@hitwid]

Hi pikachu

[@picklo1106]

I didn't even notice that

[@ilikeketchups2817]

wait.. Crazy Diamond White Album Soft n Wet Scary Monsters

[@imnatfr]

@@ilikeketchups2817 we could throw vamp in too

[@ilikeketchups2817]

@@imnatfr damn ur right

[@speed8819]

I agree with you but I think the main problems with everything new that comes out is that it has no windup, stuns a lot and almost no end lag and so is unpunishable. A lot of the new moves you'll notice are unreactable or hit people through get up i frames for whatever reason. It's like liver shot is just eye gouge but way faster and you're not slowed throughout and you don't have end lag, as just an example. A lot of the new moves have strength comparable to reality overwrite but none of the insane windup that move has. And they've basically forgotten a lot about making things perfect blockable.

[@stefantanas8188]

Bro this current liver punch is literally the old hamon zoom punch but without that awkward time that you had to wait before your end lag was over so you could just do a single m1. They recently added more endlag to liver shot and now it's so bad it doesn't confirm into knuckle sandwich with less than half bar of fleet feetwork.

[@speed8819]

@@stefantanas8188 thank god

[@rebeccadavis3185]

I think the best way to tell how much the game has changed is comparing now to back around the kq btd rework. Back then most people would say the best stands were like kcr, tw oh, lt, and really most of the rage stands, because back then dmg and m1s were really important and buying time to regen by posing was one of the main strategies, but now ods are every bit of regen you get now will ether be reduced by bleed, poison, and so on and so forth. Now I won't lie and say they did not have op combos aka kc and scr but everyone knew this was an issue and they stood out like a sore thumb, now it's like they BASE the stands off of old kc. There were a few stands back then that were not good with dmg or super long combos but still were amazing such as ger and mih, but they had super strong abilities to make up for it, while still needing to use your brain to know how and when to use them aka super speed and rtz , but now they just make up for it with super long super op combos that you can just see then do perfectly with just like 10 minutes of practice.

[@bowldawg4394]

I find it odd that so many roblox games are going for the "balance everything around landing one m1 or move and one shotting your opponent with a single combo" thing now. It all just boils down to one boring playstyle where you either use moves to try and get a combo started, or saving all of your moves and then using them all in one combo to do as much damage as possible. Yeah, it's the most popular combat format, being in games like ABA, Heaven's Arena, AUT, GPO, etc, but it's not really one that I enjoy.

[@dreamergamer9291]

@@bowldawg4394 it makes the game feel boring and frustrating because one mistake will cost you alot and also because most of the time you re not even fighting either comboing your opponement or getting comboed yourself

[@bowldawg4394]

@@dreamergamer9291 Yeah that's where the main issue lies, trying to fish for m1's or trying to land a move to get a combo started makes neutral consist of... a whole lot of nothing, just two people running around in circles with their finger over the block or dash button being laser focused on landing just one hit to one shot someone. The ENTIRE game's combat should not be likes this. We need more games where landing a big combo is a playstyle of the character you're playing, rather than it being what every single character or thing does.

[@BlueMoonRising]

Deepwoken is the only game with pvp on roblox that has solved this issue and thats by adding a combo break into the game. I dont understand why other games dont add this. It solves the issue of making a singular mistake leading to death by allowing you to fix ur mistake via escaping and going on a cd and you can decrease that cd by playing better than your opponent or playing good defense. Deepwoken combat is also different in that m1s combo only if you let them. Some people have tried to copy deep's combat and I just don't think copying is the answer. Finding a good middle ground similar to old yba could be the move for us arena fighters who don't want to deal with 1 shot combos.

[@bowldawg4394]

Exactly. I hear that Deepwoken's combat is usually unbalanced, but the core mechanics are good, and I'm glad that it does it's own thing rather than copying what ABA or GPO does. Unpopular opinion but I think Arcane Odyssey's combat is good as well, with it being less reliant on combos and more on movement, having good aim, and knowing when to try and go for blocks or parries as opposed to dodging, and the different classes support different playstyles, with berserkers playing more aggressively and mages focusing on zoning

[@Alex_Fishman]

Judging by the direction YBA is going for, the W²T² series is gonna last for a looong time

[@OverStrive2008]

T x T? (I know you mean W x2 = what were, and T x2 = they thinking) But T² means T times T

[@Alex_Fishman]

@@OverStrive2008 Shit, I just realised that it makes no sense from a logical standpoint. Well, too late to edit it now

[@OverStrive2008]

​@@Alex_Fishmanyeah

[@bradleygalo4775]

It's never too late to correct a mistake. You can do it, random citizen. I believe in you.

[@celsiusnebula]

actually its just (WT)² because both are just WWTT

[@sandrozeppeli3387]

I smell the "Scary Monsters... What were they thinking?!" Video coming soon

[@RealSharkFish]

not that broken

[@Tea12515]

​@@RealSharkFishit is

[@c.istopmotionstudio1900]

@@RealSharkFishit is

[@sauc2394]

​@RealSharkFish IT IS i have 11 likes omg im famous wow

[@TheRealSonGokuyes]

I can smell it too

[@funnipan3696]

I too remember YBA before this direction of the game past the Stone Free update. This stray hits and real risk factor type combat used to get my attention from most other fighting games in 2021 were two touch simulators like ABA, and non roblox ones like DBFZ and GGST. No wonder I quit YBA when the Vampirism rework came out, YBA simply doesn’t work this way, and I hate it so much when you can use an unblockable stun that has armor that leads into a beatdown.

[@penisboss5976]

I didn't wait for vampire, I saw this coming from the sword rework when they decided to make it into a spam fest instead of having some unique skills. It only has like what one block break now, and that's on a 40 second cooldown? whoever thought that would be good was clearly not thinking well. It's still good for one shot combos because it has that MASSIVE block bypass on the huge cooldown, but that's really the best move in the kit, and none of the other skills are even worth mentioning.

[@dougdougisawesome6987]

You know shit is seriously bad when a meme pfp writes his heart out

[@BlueMoonRising]

the difference between the roblox ones and the non roblox ones (aka actual 2d fighting games) is that in most arena fighters you just have to press a button and you do a special move. In GGST and DBFZ it takes actual practice and skill to pull off those 1 shot combos and most players aren't doing them. Not even most pro fighting game players pull of 1 shot combos (unless ur akuma in tekken 7).

[@MCisverygood]

@@BlueMoonRising plus, most of those one shot combos need specific situations/are incredibly risky and generally not worth it compared to doing a reliable B&B

[@anonimfighter0613]

​@@BlueMoonRisinganother example is all the old guilty gear games where you had instakills. The concept sounds op but in reality it is extremely hard to see one in a normal match, and even more rare at professional rank. About dbfz, that game is the exception cause almost every other fighting game doesn't have so many tods. You can literally, no joke, pull off a tod out of a single hit that you can easily get by just mashing. And you even have the easiest one shot of all fighting games (looking at you ssj4 gogeta😐)

[@THE1FIREHAWK]

For some reason Uzu is very scared of over nerfing things in YBA so whenever paragon suggests balance changes that would make the problem a lot better, Uzu only implements half of them leaving a still somewhat over powered thing that then goes untouched for a while. I hope Uzu starts listening to paragon more

[@notpklol2587]

They already overnerfed boxing

[@Memenado.]

@@notpklol2587nah

[@majorfender6054]

@@notpklol2587 boxing deserved it 🤣

[@zwei16]

​@thuginationthey overnerfed it because paragon said "it can defeat modspecs so its too op" 💀

[@majorfender6054]

@@zwei16 literally every single mod ive fought just teleports to get out of a combo. what difference does any spec make? 💀

[@apollonasplxr2848]

On release it used to have an auto-combo becouse the move with the little boubles could hit throu ragdols and stun

[@swdfulord]

New and old game are definitely different and while I think the old way things worked was a lot of fun -- And things are starting to get a bit crazy now for sure, I do still find myself having a lot of fun with the new content. I don't think we're quite yet at the point where the game is 'too broken', but we're definitely pushing the limits with new releases. The 25% spec damage nerf was a small step towards amending things but just going through and making a lot of moves 'less synergistic' with each other would be a real help.

[@OverStrive2008]

The new content is tiring

[@SyrupSprinkles]

If I travel back in time and tell my friends in the near future time stop stands wont dominate the meta they would think im drunk

[@aqz7603]

If you play actual real fighting games yba is completely unplayable. It's enjoyable for people who are only used to how dog shit yba is and have never tried getting good at a fighting game outside of roblox.

[@siduxjxhdgzhdjxhxuuxxyhgg1079]

yeah its fun for children who play games to see flashy animations. if you want to play a game with actually indepth combat that requires brain usage though its literally unplayable

[@toyuu.paledll]

@@aqz7603 The game is shit, but I can still have some fun just playing it for what it is, excluding PVP entirely. For me the old game felt like a fighting game despite the few balancing issues, and I enjoyed everything about it. In terms of combat, the new game is basically just for children to be amazed at cool animations (which is real telling of Uzu's motives as of late.)

[@mundaemisery626]

i came back to YBA youtube and eclipse is still crying about everything.. amazing nothing changed

[@MushyLizard]

This shit should have been on DDOS

[@menacingpotatoleaf]

I feel like the big problem is the damage. None of the moves without their insane damage or completely broken. So I feel this is a rare case where lowering it's bd damage, and moister plunder would balance the stand much more. The shovel barrage is pretty dam fast too.

[@frgal1336]

Vision, when maxed out is probably the best stun move in the game because you can _only_ dash for movement. You can’t see at all, you can’t move, and it can last for a LONG time. I’m talking like 7-8 seconds.

[@cengix8850]

it’s trash?

[@mettat9062]

I understand that it has balance issues but its Soft and Wet: Go beyond. A stand that beats the calamity. One of the strongest jojo stands.

[@dascreeb5205]

​@@mettat9062And this isn't some gimmicky cc game. You need balance.

[@frihff]

Power canon is out the window when it comes to video games. If we’re going off that logic most stands should not beat a timestop one. That’d be fun, right?

[@4ragazzivendrame130]

the phrase “if you like me left YBA and came back expecting some form of balance” is engrained into my head whenever i think about this game

[@user-jl6oc1wk8w]

6:25 Uzu slowly turning YBA into a JoJo-centric version of ABA (only with better vfx), nothing is broken if everything is broken.

[@picklo1106]

This is one of the best description for this game that I've seen

[@Bushables]

i started playing yba with my friends in december 2020, i was on ipad and pretty bad at the game, i barraged first, spammed moves and never used my m1s, me and my friends never learnt to pvp until the heaven update we finally started taking the game seriously, getting the requiem and heaven stands. we all enjoyed the game so much, then skins happened and we all quit.

[@Obadiahh]

sucks dude, same thing happened to me but i never really learned the pvp cause i was just bad at it lol but yeah

[@rondyle]

Hey Eclipse, I was the one who showed you the combo via discord. I just wanted to point out a few things after watching the video. 1. The combo starts out with a zoom punch and I think you already know that but I’ll say it here anyways 2. After moisture plunder (the one that summons the little bubbles) you then use vision plunder into beat down, adding about 30 more damage, which makes the combo into a 1 shot combo from just a zoom punch. 3. I believe there is a mini combo which does 100 hp total with just 3 moves, but I’ll look for it when I have the time

[@Sir_GrimReaper]

I think the best way to make these combos less broken is by giving more hp to the players, like the default hp like 150-200 hp, and the upgrades make you have like 250-300 hp it makes battle last longer i guess. Idk man i suck at this. It doesn't fix the issue but it puts a bandage on the open wound.

[@LD-dt1sk]

But why? Its just the same thing as it used to be but with bigger numbers, why not revert to og at that point?

[@aqz7603]

TCA another roblox game handled this p well imo. It buffed the player's hp to 400 but nerfed regen by a lot. This meant that fights still lasted roughly the same duration, but theres less running as regening or posing to full hp is not really a viable strategy. One-shot combos also don't exist as nothing can even come close to 400 damage, unlike YBA where a combo only needs like 200 to 1 shot.

[@luckygirl7324]

bad idea, makes fight with balanced stands lasts way longer and nothing changes.

[@Sir_GrimReaper]

@@LD-dt1sk eh idk man, i'm think of the most realistic way they could try to fix it, it doesn't sound that bad to me.

[@Sir_GrimReaper]

@@luckygirl7324 does it really? It's pretty much the same idea, make less damage so battle last longer or giving more health to players so battles could last longer

[@CATCHTHERAINB0W_]

8:22 fun fact: the "frog in a boiling pot of water" metaphor is actually complete BS. If you actually try it, the frog will jump out. The original study had basically lobotomized frogs, and that's why they didn't jump out. ...Can you tell I get laid?-

[@FuriinaDeFontaiiine]

0:01 i honestly thought my pc froze when nothing was moving at all, I legit restarted it and watch video again only to realised that it was not frozen it was meant to be like that I am so stupid.

[@DiddlerMaster]

xd

[@malthe236]

@@DiddlerMasterdiddlery doo

[@Chur_Bum13]

@@malthe236nice try Diddy

[@zgaming8721]

FINALLY back after months and months. Hearing that you have more storage now and that ‘most of you probably weren’t around back then’ (SPTW being EXACTLY AS I REMEMBER IT) is kinda surreal. Glad they finally added soft and wet though, even though it’s… *this*

[@LuckyLandcom]

I feel like the fact that m1s aren't as important anymore is because every new stand gets a shit ton of moves with low cooldowns on top of that they can have a spec with 5 moves so maybe some cooldown improvements and damage reduction could fix some problems

[@GigaChad-rf4pw]

And they always freeze you

[@mrmcducky4260]

I’ve been around long enough to see the slow creep of broken metas, because I started playing around 3 months after release. It really does suck to see one of my favorite games stuck within a spiraling downfall, slowly killing itself.

[@EmperorCat]

I've been around since before KQBTD and you really just opened my eyes. I wish there was a game that took YBA's combat system and turn it into its own game. Scrap everything except for the combat and build it on that, not rewrite it. I liked YBA because it previously built on the combat and balancing with its weekly updates.. which turned into bi-weekly updates.. monthly updates... bi-monthly update and eventually it took a YEAR to update. I just miss the old fluidity of the combat where it was anyone's game regardless of stand. If you were good enough you'd be a good sticky fingers boxing, if you were good enough you'd be a good aerosmith vampire. It used to be SOO much more skill based in the past, and now it's "use stand X and spec Y and win even against the most seasoned players."

[@EmperorCat]

The oldest video I know showcasing most of the combat mechanics is Nowa4's video "Purple Haze for your Advantage" video, with the old GUI and everything.

[@ebluegamer5397]

(almost) Everything had unique strengths that could pull really silly stuff and it was quite simply better

[@nourtohme.]

4:09 is anyone gonna ignore the scary monsters coping 💀💀

[@SaltRockz]

waiting for one of these to just be the combo and then Eclipse staring into the camera for 10 minutes.

[@The.Sterling.Silver]

I love the fact that the first minute of every “what were they thinking” videos is exactly the same dialogue 😭

[@samuelaluisiskarja6470]

Ive been playing yba just over 2 years now and i gotta say i completely agree with eclipse. I loved yba for its simple combat system where 1 hit didnt eradicate your opponent unlike other jojo games. But now yba is just dissapointing.

[@notsusanna7485]

8:26 fun fact: this “experiment” was actually done with multiple chunks of the frog’s brain taken out Then again, the average YBA player might have _less_ intelligence than a lobotomized frog

[@VioFuru]

Never really played YBA but I feel like the base design of stand + spec just makes it harder to balance damage with neutral or poke ability. A stand having explosive damage and OTGs and whatnot isn't awful on paper but having good neutral ontop of that nullifies the nuance that it could bring. And even if a stand or spec did JUST have good neutral or damage you could just slap a spec that can do the opposite on top of it.

[@p-vinni6422]

i think that all the new stands are insanely op are because of uzu's release philosophy where he releases stuff that is way better than the others and nerfs later. except uzu refuses to nerf it later because he knows that will make more players angry than it will make people happy. since the sad reality is that people who play 1v1 are mostly people who like broken stands and don't want them nerfed.

[@therealwhoever]

You think the game will slowly sorta have a power creep? (If it doesn't have one already)

[@GigaChad-rf4pw]

Bro Cd is alr out for like 10 months and it’s still broken, similar to Wa and soft and wet. Uzu said that he releases stuff and nerfs them two weeks later, but the half hp combos still exist. Everything Eclipse said was right

[@ayxanmhrrmli4530]

​@@GigaChad-rf4pw Yeah, your right. Its so disgusting to see when absolute piece of dogshit uses cd, gets 80% of your hp from a single trap, and proceeds to run, trying to play on cd of trap.

[@gimme_eliter4k720]

In old yba, you could do an m1 only challenge and it wasnt even a challenge, you ended up doing better than before. In new yba, m1 only is pretty much unplayable, its like going standless.

[@yigao9637]

we also love scary monsters reworked, fair and balanced like everything new i think they are addicted to the soft and wet bubble, vampire freeze, and crazy diamond rock trap type moves

[@Justanaveragenoob8781]

The thing is tho. It is balanced, just block and play passive and your completely fine

[@jawatu6326]

​@Justanaveragenoob8781 the thing is tho. HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@jawatu6326]

​@@Justanaveragenoob8781the thing is tho.

[@jawatu6326]

​@@Justanaveragenoob8781the thing the thing is tho

[@PyrePF]

ive been around when the game released, yeah.. when most stands had a ludicrous barrage damage. when purple haze had 3.7 damage barrage with the animation of old sptw beatdown thats like the very beginning of the game, and i can indeed agree that this game has gone downhill. all the spec reworks really just changed pvp a whole lot, good old times when sptw had stand jump lol.

[@AbelSimms]

I used to be obsessed with botw and whenever i hear that guardian theme i jump

[@KoroH2O]

If you compare old eclipse's yba videos to nowadays you'll see how much the combat has changed, it no longer relies on stray hits or parrying to get a window to go all in, it's all about landing that one move that will lead to a massive combo, even Eclipse himself "mashes buttons" cause that's the new YBA rule; If you land your combo start move the opponent dies. And honestly, it sucks so much.

[@JPTornadoproductions8753]

Massive contradiction but okie dokie. Quote “It no longer relies on stray hits or parrying to get a window to go all in” Sorry to burst your bubble but it still is. You’re waiting for your opponent to make a mistake in current yba too.

[@JPTornadoproductions8753]

And yes you can land a combo starter but thats how it was in old yba too, I’ve seen old yba clips bro. Like nowadays yes you can land a busted combo starter but they are pariable/blockable. S&W is a great example and I think eclipse cherry picked S&W for this video.

[@JPTornadoproductions8753]

S&W is my secondary main so whenever I play another S&W player I always BLOCK, it’s like you guys forgot that button exists. Friction plunder is blockable, shovel barrage is parriable although it is hard to block, bubble prison is extremely ez to parry, moisture plunder is blockable, go beyond is dogeable and blockable, the bd is parriable. Eclipse really cherry picked this video since you can have intense fights using S&W.

[@other_lie9832]

Wow, this aged incredibly well lmao

[@vivekchannel4990]

1:48 oh my, he's a clicker I could not imagine using m1's in a game!!!

[@PerroPelado]

My dear Eclipse hasn't found out about the "Any stand crash move into Unsealed Steel" combo yet

[@ehee4544]

Been around since the begging of 2020 and I would like to say that I miss the old simplistic gameplay with simple graphics, game models, and not overloaded with flashy animations

[@metatrouble]

Yea like the new stuff looks nice but doesn’t have the same charm and soul you know

[@majorfender6054]

bro what are you on? 💀those new animations and effects are such a gift

[@ehee4544]

@@majorfender6054 30 second animations that play after every move paired with the goofy effects makes the game look like a typical Jojo game and takes away the simplistic feeling which I love (plus takes away the nostalgia)

[@jawatu6326]

​@@majorfender6054no its a huge L

[@majorfender6054]

@@ehee4544 maybe the "typical Jojo game" is what they're aiming for? if you're so obsessed with the "simplistic feeling" go play a different jojo game that's low quality because that easily correlates to less effects

[@OverStrive2008]

This is the last nail to the coffin that's in the depths of hell.

[@Homophober]

i remember first playing yba. it was just fun. i remember getting hermit purple as my first stand and it being ass. i remember the times where the combat was smooth and wasnt effects over quality of the combat. then they release scr rework, gave it arrow barrage, reworked 6p, and it went onto get some decent updates but the game started to get terrible after rhcp release.

[@stefantanas8188]

I disagree. After the rhcp rework the game was still fun because the community cared for it. Yba main game had the map and it was still fun. The majority of players were still bad so you didnt need to sweat to have fun. 1v1s actually felt interesting when you would find a new combo and go and test it on other slightly worse players than you. Like i got hermit purple hamon and i went into 1v1s and still won like 95% of my games cuz ppl werent as tryhard and you could actually mess around and ppl didnt know how to counter every stand. Also this is the youtube era. Yba really popped off on youtube around this time and even eclipse was making golden videos and teaching so many techs

[@Michael-wr8ks]

hermit purple hamon back then was as good as these new op stands like soft and wet. high damage moves + burn damage (and you are vine trapped so you cant put it out), low cooldowns, little skill point cost, and best mobility in game. the only difference is that you needed to use your brain to not get hit by a barrage

[@stefantanas8188]

@@Michael-wr8ks it was useless against anyone that knew what they were doing. Just block vine trap 1 and 2, block vine slap first hit, then time skip out of the other and barrage. It's not good

[@Homophober]

@@stefantanas8188 im saying the content drought after the rhcp and then the updates following stone free. and i agree with what you bring up.

[@SilverIV]

That intro is never gonna get old. Edit: Perfect outro too.

[@HawkTeevs]

I think Uzu doesn’t really think about how to justify aspects of a stand or spec when it comes to game design, but rather how fun they are to use. Sure Soft & Wet + Hamon is fun to use, but there’s almost no way to justify the damage it does. How most fighting games justify a character’s power is difficulty. If a character can do dummy stupid damage, it should be hard to use effectively. With this logic, Soft & Wet’s moves should be hard to use effectively (high endlag, high startup, etc.), but are still rewarding with their combo potential and damage output. Instead of this however, Soft & Wet can combo you down to 90% health off of hitting one move, and that one move is not hard to hit at all. I have a lot of fun with this game still, but things like this are pretty horrible from a game design standpoint.

[@JPTornadoproductions8753]

Ok yes but this isn’t true for all combat games, example JJ:ASBR. I agree with some things in this I just feel like they need to add a combo breaker, I also think that eclipse cherry picked his example for this video disregarding the fact almost all or S&W’s abilities are blockable or parriable

[@RommekePommeke]

roblox players talking about game design shouldn't be allowed cus they barely know what they blabber about tbh

[@PerplexPrays]

3:36 that can probably happen, you can cancel shovel barrage's last hit by shiftlocking your character to face away from the opponent before the last hit comes, and then you can use another move

[@Bcordepic]

cant wait till eclipse sees the new scary monsters!! surely uzu would make a decently balanced stand after 4 broken updates in a row!!

[@TheRealSinful]

Reworked Scary Monsters has a one shot combo without a spec :skull: Edit: I have watched this video until the end. You have made a good point Eclipse, funny youtube man. Having played YBA Before the new map, Before Anubis, each time I try to play now it feels a lot less like the game I used to enjoy, except before I have had heard it from you I didn't notice what was the problem. Thank you.

[@koran6541]

Ive been playing yba on and off since november 2020 ans yba now is such a completely different game than it was even just a year ago. I remember when twoh and mih came out, and man those were overpowered for that meta, but now they pale in comparison to even just white album, which is literally an easy to get arrow stand. Its just crazy you know.

[@hairsalonbeauty6722]

Imagine if those stands get reworked oh boy they will be gods

[@Nibus-]

We all know what to do to counter this: Remove all the counters or make them like the spin one, make the stucking moves just slow you down and have the possibility to do something, and also while we're here maybe also make vamp balanced by just throwing out zombie creation and the passive and throw away the whole "UV resistence thing" against Hamon users. Eclipse really had a point with the m1 thing, back then good stands were powerful stands, like TWOH, but even if it was a pain to deal with it was actually a bit deserved because the quest for it was pain, especially for the new players, now the quest are just thrown away and the only quest we got was the go beyond one wich only really requires a bit of luck and patience. But by far the most heart breaking thing is that you don't even need to grind a lot for a broken stand, Cmoon don't take much time to get, Crazy Diamond is straight up just arrow spamming until you get it, and I won't even talk about the mess that is Scary Monster now. And if you are not smart enough to do the TWOH or MIH, or even the Tusk act 4 quest, you can just get a low tier skin of any stands and trade it for it. Overall the game is really not like it used to be, some changes are actually good, like making a trade hub, wich was a smart idea to get rid of traders, or stands like stone free, it can be OP but to be OP you need to learn some skills, and know how to time and place attacks to not get just blocked, just being good, but things are changing, and things that seems like a good change start to become a mid change, if not a bad change, a good example being scary monster, it was already broken, but in a litteral way, like the hitbox being catastrophic, but now it's broken in both ways, was it necessary to make 3 minions appear instead of 1 or 2 ? Was it necessary to add a block break unpariable dino jump and make it have a ridiculous range of attack ? And was it necessary to add a 5 second long fossilization on a stand that already deals too much damage ? The obly thing that keeps it somewhat not totally broke is the fact that you can block most of the attacks, problem being that you don't know wich attack can be parried or not, blockeable or block breaker, in another word, a good idea that became a bad thing

[@BelowTheHeights]

I miss the times where you actually knew what you were doing and not having keybinds all over your keyboard

[@Kestila]

that and also being able to see

[@Vanilla_exe]

how the hell does one statement from eclipse's first video (most of the people who play yba are children and want to one shot with one ts) STILL HOLDS UP TO THIS DAY

[@jawatu6326]

Why are you hiding

[@denisatoriu]

Next Video : Scary Monsters.... What Were They Thinking?!?!?!

[@ano_ob]

Love how not only did the balancing not change, but the community too almost all the background gameplay someone said something about eclipses gameplay.

[@elationcomplex2187]

It’s sad to say but Eclipse is right about S&W. The devs shouldn’t nerf any stands like S&W because that is the meta aka the norm.

[@deletodraw1944]

thats what the point of nerfing is, to remove the meta parts of meta stands.

[@kingsploosh9572]

What's even funnier is that Paragon was gonna make a balance request in the polls channel on discord for Soft and Wet Go Beyond move bypassing s and hitting on ragdoll RIGHT BEFORE you released this video. I find that very hilarious.

[@parrotplays5093]

They continue to release the new rework/stand more broken than the rest, and the power of these stands/reworks keeps continuing. I think they should just focus an update for just balancing to make it so you don't die if you get hit by a singular move, (also don't take 4 months to release it).

[@UrticantOdin]

Funny part is, paragon is keeping a goggle doc FILLED with balance changes, uzu is the one who doesnt want to implement them saying it's too drastic

[@ducla5541]

I'm not defending soft and wet when saying this, but there are things that are way more broken. Most of the things that are broken in soft and wet's kit have a decently long cooldown. Consider that you can do the same amount of damage with stands with WAY less cooldowns: - Six pistols + spin (Nearly oneshot projectile combo with the only evasive in the game of improved dash) - Tusk Act 4 and any spec (Nail shots and wormhole nails confirm any spec move and wormhole nails can be used while they're ragdolled to confirm spec moves. Golden rectangle nail and uppercut are faster than most moves in the game and ragdoll into wormhole nails. Infinite rotation passive kills other metas like TS, lovetrain, and your own shadow. I used this stand to get to leaderboard) -Tusk act 3 and spin (Projectile combos same thing as six pistols basically. Annoying af) - Old scary monsters (literally can't barrage back to combo extend because sm hitbox is further than barrage hitbox and they can walk back. frame 1 head charge. so annoying) - GER + boxing: Defense buff + healing = run to win. Scorpions can be used to confirm spec moves because you can't really contest ger while scorpions are active cause they do so much damage. Way too solid of a kit and way too boring to play against. - Bonus: You can do CMoon's forbidden combo. If you hit them with uppercut, you can do gravitational shift and jump up because of extra height and m1 + surface inversion them. This allows you to combo extend off uppercut and get that crazy extra damage of surface inversion. Flashy combo but broken.

[@stefantanas8188]

Alr thanks now i know what to use in 1v1s

[@bananenshake_5836]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@stefantanas8188do u only get joy out of this game from abusing meta?

[@stefantanas8188]

@@bananenshake_5836 this was half joke, half serious, cuz before abusing meta was kinda bad since average player was rlly bad, but now so many more people use broken standa so i just wanna be on par with them

[@jawatu6326]

​@@bananenshake_5836everything is meta gg W

[@dumblasagna1604]

i think they're trying to go for an "if everything is overpowered, nothing is." approach (joke)

[@inksans9700]

That is not going to work because some stands would be more for others and more stands will have more combos potential then others Let's take scary monster and soft and wet go beyond Scary monster y move which is a true stun can't barrage and mind you it can true combo into beat down yet it's still fun to use Soft and wet you repeat one combo again and again and again till you master it and land it fully and kill the opment

[@adamus4943]

which is complete bullshit, because when that happens the game ends up just becoming "who lands a move first and kills the other opponent".

[@justsayori5330]

​@@adamus4943That's basically JoJo lol whoever lands the first punch wins

[@jawatu6326]

​@@adamus4943you are not in an anime bro it's a game. Bro thinks he the main character 😂

[@adamus4943]

@@jawatu6326 where did you get that idea?

[@LampOsm]

Using the non reworked stands are essencially just hardmode for yba

[@stefantanas8188]

LOOOOL THIS COMMENT. Bro i was top 6 in 1v1s with twau box before the stone free update. I quit when stone free was released. I now came back 3 days ago and i feel like such a powerless baby. How did a ranked leaderboards player with one of the previously best stands in the game(3rd best in my opinion, 2nd was kc and 1st was scr, this was before stone free) i now legit feel like i have so little hp and so little advantage over these guys. It legit feels like I'm playing on hard mode.

[@EnReaper]

GOOD NEWS! They nerfed all spec Damage by 25 percent. Of course that’s just the base nerfs, boxing got less lingering hit boxes and boxing shuffle got some big nerfs, vampire has less healing and blood regen, Stuff should be slightly better to pl- Oh right Scary Monsters…

[@bananenshake_5836]

yea i dont think the game will be ever the same

[@prxmotos4470]

I've personally been playing the game back since april of 2020 and its very tragic to see how much of a downfall its become in terms of the balanced department. I remember back I think during april of 2021 when Uzu started to make some legitimate good changes and updated weekly, He would use to drop small patches and fixes for certain bugs.

[@muckyesyesindisguise3854]

Uzu got some pretty heavy back lash after they released stone free and it was slightly above average, not meta changing, not insanely good, just a little better than the average garbage stand.

[@picklo1106]

That's the problem. People will ne mad if it's too balanced but also if it's too busted. No one is ever gonna be happy.

[@luckygirl7324]

na ima keep real it was ass bro.. the gb is a worse version of old vamp freeze, the pilot barrage is punishable, ora kicks is decent and bd is a bd. below mediocre kit that relies on specs to do anything. he got backlash because the stand wasnt fun at all either

[@muckyesyesindisguise3854]

@@luckygirl7324 To be fair, I don’t really remember the state is was in very well since it was so long ago and I barely use the stand.

[@ayxanmhrrmli4530]

​@@luckygirl7324Nah, after stone free update, they removed sptw and twoh oneshot combos, removed scr and kc's nearly oneshot combos and also did made game balance better, which resulted stone free being an actual usable stand .Imo that was moment where yba was at its peak at balancing stands, but after cd update it all went downhill, resulting in "oneshot first, or get oneshotted".

[@userofdainternaat6653]

I remember first ever joining YBA because my friend was playing it, the only thing I can remember is that ili surprisingly used to play with SP:TW wasn't even a thing. People didn't do M1s, they were throwing out heavy punches for days, 3+ damage barrages being fair, it used to be such a new experience for me. And my first ever stand was Gold Experience, which is why it's a really special stand to me. That time you couldn't get the requiem arrow because of the cut storyline, but it was still fun grinding it. If only everything stayed that way.

[@alan4iks284]

4:42 he said bad thing about your mother on Russian btw

[@Kopaika]

Kcr moment

[@Mr._Maestro6969]

As someone who has left the game years ago, and returned just to check. This is SO sad

[@RandomVidz0]

Eclipse never fails to make my cheeks spread 😁

[@2kOverAll]

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[@YoastnToastn]

W

[@jinxlover9719]

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[@kingsnoopy3279]

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[@clockworkermoney]

eclipse is life bro

[@quatromanthefourth4413]

The numbers just get bigger, he ain't finding new tech, he ain't breaking his back. The numbers seemingly go up of their own volition

[@joey10.]

a better combo (imo) would be: shovel barrage > zoom punch > bubble prison > moisture plunder > friction bd

[@Christopher-po6tf]

I don't think eclipse cares much about an even more broken combo; they are already abundant enough

[@brynia6466]

Start it with vision plunder

[@veipotrica4976]

U can escape from that ahahha

[@joey10.]

@@brynia6466 I actually like to use vision plunder when I use moisture, but it’s not always necessary

[@averageinternettroll]

Wait until he finds out about scary monsters... looks like my yba hiatus will continue...

[@amrsalah7462]

Been watching you and playing since your first yba video and you are so right . The transformation of the game is honestly so sad

[@wood8595]

have you played star wars battlefront 2? it's super fun, basically battlefield but more arcady and instead of tanks and helicopters you get heroes and special units.

[@soul_m]

If they are going in the direction the way eclipse is saying, they should add something like a combo breaker so that most one shot combos could not be hit or not be so easily attainable from just hitting one move

[@a-very-uncreative-handle]

i've heard from some people that new scary monsters is an actually balanced rework, i havent been able to really see it because im on a yba break but i heard people in the discord say its alright

[@mettat9062]

I miss the old YBA combat man. It was almost perfect.

[@Snaliel]

at least you look cool while doing the 90% health combo : D

[@Snaliel]

(for reference I'm only responsible for the visual effects on skills not their balancing)

[@Humanitymember-es3sg]

3:15 no way bro is using scary monsters and calling Ecliple a spammer, poisonous bite is THE ONLY one move that can be a combo extender

[@YopaGuardi]

pls make a video about the scary monsters rework

[@boggersegg6237]

I cant wait for the next video, Yba… What was the game thinking?

[@cupdrinker678]

I miss the days when I would fight people normally, instead of just getting scraped by a stray uncancelable guard breaking stun that takes all my health and get finished off by a lingering hitbox from a spec move

[@Realfixo]

For the dumb kids, no hamon doesn't buff the projectiles, only the melee like moves. Also the hamon buffing Soft and Wets Projectiles doesn't hold up anymore because in the balance polls it was said that it wouldn't buff projectiles anymore. Also how do i know that the video was taken before the update? Check 3:08 old SM model lol

[@happy_gamer421]

No, hamon still buffs projectiles. It's buff on them just got nerfed not removed. This was so that spin can now have it's niche of buffing projectiles without becoming inferior to hamon.

[@Realfixo]

@@happy_gamer421 Hold on really? Just damage nerfed not completely removed? Because from what i've read it was completely removed and only applies to melee like moves like for example shovel barrage. But alright i'll check that out for myself. EDIT: ''> Reduced Hamon Punch passive's damage increase for ONLY projectiles'' Right the question now is how much?

[@DarknightRTG]

It’s so funny seeing this right after scary monsters rework came out, it flows the same way as soft and wet and has a one shot combo

[@idealpilled]

about the star platinum: the world thing where it revolved around timestop and beatdown, i remember when it used to be WORSE back when every requiem stand had, like, over 3 damage per barrage hit

[@Toutooie]

It will get to the point were everything gets reworked and every fight will last seconds.

[@BelovedFirecracker]

YBA’s shenanigans were expected, uzu doesn’t care about game balance anymore, he mostly cares about money.. i miss when YBA used to be a game where you need skill to play it, now you can just use a certain stand, and win everytime with no skill required.. This is the beginning of the dark future of YBA.

[@clockworkermoney]

The code that came out with soft and wet was uhhhh... something to say the least

[@mrchadstuff7517]

2 years ago i started playing yba (wow) 1 year ago i stopped. You were my fav yba yter. Before i watched this vid i went into yba and felt so sad after a 1v1 cus of the many things you have pointed out. This is so sad I miss the old YBA

[@Why_are_people_reading_this]

Anyone remember the old times where combos weren't even real no one knew how to do one and we should just quit yba and from like 20k people we drain it down to like idk 2 or 3k then the devs are gonna realize they're not right

[@flamingobilly5109]

It really seems like the game is LESS balanced then it used to be. But the one thing that hasn't changed in public servers? People Gang up on you after a 1v1. Yesterday I got 1v4rd because I SM diffed someone

[@linkedbg]

the frog in a pot analogy was really good, i used to play yba a long time ago and came back recently. no joke, they ran the entire match playing cooldowns while i was fishing for m1s using teleport to try to get some. i only won literally because they suck at the game and i had to spam limb removing moves

[@KKperez35]

I think what Uzu and the devs are trying to do is making it into an actual fighting game (not that it wasn't before) in the likeness of Eyes of Heaven and All Star Battle, most of the new moves are directly taken from All star Battle. But the problem is in those games moves are balanced around the fact combos are hard to land and using moves barely do any damage, I'm not sure if this is the case for Eyes of Heaven but it certainly is for All star Battle.

[@chillyhams]

See this is the reason i quitted for a while. Everything thats been reworked or added has been broken. Specs barely compliment the stand anymore which is why i saw yba as fun because of how you would have to balance out the few moves and work around cooldowns. Now you could use smth like cd vamp and just spam moves one after another which is not only boring to use but annoying to face.

[@acomrade5758]

The fact that they are probably going to have to rework a stand they recently released is sad

[@jackcipher6981]

I think they just make stands without any consideration of how the specs go with them.

[@K3hlz]

When you make the sm video please include the fact that they deleted the speed passive to just make a vampire clone (and the skins are awful my god literally 3 recolors)

[@victoriiigorreon4325]

Cant wait for Eclipse to rant about Yba's SM Rework

[@magnetjarnlund3806]

The fact that there is a even longer combo of this that is 1 shot to anyone is even crazier

[@enderwill2694]

7:45 uzu is just making rampant but jojo edition. Rampant is a Roblox game

[@randommobileguy4]

I have been playing yba for so long, longer then when u made videos on it and all i can say is cant we go back to how it used to be? I took a long break from yba and i come back to see this. And the funniest part is that it has more players then before. And that makes me wonder.why do people play it more back now Then they did back when i enjoyed it.

[@stefantanas8188]

Bro what do you mean it has more players than before? From the heaven update to the stone free update yba had constantly 20-25k players active. It only occasionally spiked on updates. I also quit when stone free was released and i came back to see yba averaging 10k players a day... That is very bad compared to before. Even in the time between the Halloween update and stone free update, which it was 1 year of no updates, yba had 20k players constantly. It is bad

[@bananenshake_5836]

more ppl like abusing broken stuff rather than having a balanced combat system thaz crazy

[@tabnk2]

Also I think you should rename the series to "Were they thinking?", because that's what it feels like at this point